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Willard and Dibs join Guru and Evan (in for Steiny) on a Monday edition of the Crossover. The guys react to Christian McCaffrey's absence from 49ers' practices, discuss the future of Giants manager Tony Vitello, and more.
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00:00Now, back to Stiney and Guru on 95.7 The Game.
00:04All right, it's time for the crossover brought to you by Bay Alarm.
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00:32Well, okay, so Pasta put that read up all around the office on Friday
00:37because it was the day before your birthday.
00:39You also put your age up around the office.
00:43Is that fair or foul?
00:45It's fair only because I don't really give a crap.
00:48We did the whole higher or lower on Friday, which is our Friday game.
00:54The number was 58 because I turned 58.
00:56So if I'm going to blast it out there, then blast away.
00:59It's just freedom and putting your age out there.
01:02What was I doing?
01:03Coming from you, unbelievable.
01:05I was recently discovered.
01:07Yeah.
01:07Yeah, seriously.
01:08To me, the dude rule, this is the dude rule that I live by.
01:13Like, each of the decades, you're allowed to just kind of have a moment.
01:19You know what I mean?
01:20Where you're like, wow, I'm 40 or I'm 50 or I'm 60.
01:25I haven't been 60.
01:26But you can have a moment.
01:28Other than that, who cares?
01:30Who cares?
01:31It is.
01:31Yeah, dude.
01:32No, I got it.
01:32I've never been more free in my life, Evan.
01:35Well, it sounds like you're past the point of clinging to youth, if that makes sense.
01:39Actually, no.
01:41I disagree with that completely.
01:43Like, define youth.
01:45Do you know what I mean?
01:46Like, that's just a number.
01:48Yeah.
01:48And if you're still making whoopee, you're fine.
01:51And thank you.
01:52Newlywed game.
01:53Confirmed.
01:54That was incredible.
01:54Yeah, confirmed.
01:55I do think that, like, the whole idea of clinging to youth.
02:00If you want to, like, if we were to do a list, like, two columns of things that I've done
02:05and things that I won't do again, the things that I won't do again is longer than the things
02:11that I will do again.
02:12For example, like, run a marathon.
02:14I've done that, and I'm not going to.
02:16A half marathon, whatever.
02:18Could you do it at your age now?
02:20I mean, could I?
02:22Sure.
02:22But, you know, go ahead and call the ambulance, because it's not going to be pretty.
02:27And when I did it, it was under four hours, and it was good.
02:29It was a nice, like, accomplishment, and that was now 17 years ago.
02:34And so, yeah, when you get to our age, and I'm looking at me and you, and then Willard
02:39and whatever with the whippersnapper, you'll get to that point where it's like, yeah.
02:43He's like, he's back going on.
02:44Oh, yeah.
02:44Did you just get a whippersnapper and a whoopee in the same ramp?
02:48He was whoopee.
02:49I was whippersnapper.
02:5058 at 150.
02:51He started the whoopee, and I just, I knew what he was talking about.
02:56I know what he's talking about.
02:57Hey, before we get to sports.
02:58That's what I mean of not clinging to.
02:59And I asked Evan real quick, your last meal, don't ask how this came up.
03:04Evan said, if I'm correct, to ribeye.
03:05Well, you brought it up.
03:06Yeah.
03:06Ribeye?
03:07Yeah, ribeye, some polenta, maybe some broccoli.
03:10But you weren't confident in it, E.
03:10Well, there's a lot of things I like.
03:12I mean, a perfect California burrito, I could go to hell.
03:15Are you asking what would you want it to be?
03:18Yeah, your last meal.
03:19No, just your last supper.
03:20If you had it.
03:22Got it.
03:22Mine was lasagna.
03:23Death row.
03:24Death row.
03:24Right.
03:25You're one of the green miles.
03:26I need to hear your two before we get to this thing.
03:28I would have, if my mom is still able, I would have, which I don't think she is, but
03:35anyway, I know the recipe.
03:36I would have her make a humongous portion of her meatball stroganoff recipe with a little
03:45rice pilaf, and then I'd get a side of a round table salami and olive pizza.
03:50That's his go-to.
03:54That's his go-to.
03:56I was talking earlier about like a salmon Caesar salad, which is not that extravagant, but
04:00it's something that I just enjoy.
04:03I like salmon.
04:03That would be yours.
04:04You see the salmon prices in the Bay Area?
04:06A salad is amazing.
04:07I bought some yesterday, and it was 30 bucks a pound.
04:10It's a lot.
04:11It's incredible that there's lettuce in your last meal.
04:13That's awesome.
04:14It's what I enjoy.
04:15No.
04:16I said it's awesome.
04:17I can go the other route and go like, what?
04:19Like, oysters, Rockefeller, or whatever.
04:21I don't even know what that is, so.
04:23Yeah.
04:23Like chicken and waffles.
04:25Yeah.
04:26Closing down in Oakland.
04:27They got one.
04:28Chicken and waffle spot.
04:29Oh.
04:30Well.
04:31Show you.
04:31Which one?
04:32I like to do chicken and waffles together.
04:34Oh, yeah.
04:35No, no, no.
04:35I know it's a thing.
04:36I don't do it.
04:37Yeah.
04:38I found.
04:39That's an oxymoron.
04:40I love chicken and I love waffles, but I was like, I don't.
04:45Yeah.
04:45I don't need the chicken touching the syrup.
04:47I just.
04:48It wasn't for me.
04:49And it depends on, like, who you are as a breakfast eater.
04:52Are you a sweet or are you a savory?
04:54Yeah.
04:54Like, will you go to the big pancake with the syrup, or will you go more for, like, you
04:59know, the omelet and the sausage?
05:01I don't know.
05:01Mark's going to have the answer for all of it.
05:04Yeah.
05:04But anyway.
05:04We've been just not on the same plate.
05:06That's all.
05:06Yeah.
05:06We've kind of been going back and forth today.
05:08One was about the news from Buster this weekend about Bitello.
05:14Expected to be back.
05:15I guess.
05:15From McCaffrey.
05:16Said the same thing about, you know, Melvin too.
05:18But I think most people expect him back.
05:20And then the other was about CMZ.
05:22Yeah.
05:23That he would, hey, how much you need and when?
05:26It's on its way.
05:28If he is indeed.
05:29Yeah.
05:29This is a big capital I, capital F.
05:32Somebody said it was wallet tightness.
05:34Right.
05:36I have no anxiety about this at all.
05:39If Christian McCaffrey is going to get more money, it's going to be relative pennies.
05:44It's going to be short term and relative.
05:47Like, I would only be bothered by that if I felt like there was a path for that to harm
05:54the 49ers and their flexibility.
05:56And I see none of that, number one.
05:59And number two, the only thing I'll say about it is I can't stand when people say, you signed the
06:04contract, honor the contract.
06:06When the team doesn't have to.
06:08The Trent Williams doesn't.
06:09This is the NFL.
06:11Hello.
06:12This is the NFL.
06:13And he's 30, man.
06:14Come on.
06:14Right.
06:15These deals are not guaranteed.
06:16That goes both ways.
06:17Like, be fair.
06:19If the team is about, the team constantly gets to boogie out of half of the contract.
06:24Yeah.
06:24No guaranteed money.
06:25You ran him in the ground last year.
06:27He's still effective.
06:28And you're one of your best players, if not, on offense.
06:31Right.
06:32Man.
06:32If this is the case.
06:33If you look at the three times he's led the league in touches, the first time, he led it.
06:38He got hurt the next year.
06:39The second time he led, he got hurt.
06:42And then last year he led again.
06:43And so the pattern is that he may or may not get hurt.
06:47I'm not trying to predict injuries, but I did a whole deep dive on players this late in their career
06:53when they have more than 400 touches.
06:55And he's the third guy after year nine or later to do that.
06:59And the other two guys, they played one year and they retired.
07:01But how would that impact your decision on, because I'm giving them, hey, Christian, let's talk, whatever.
07:07Here we go.
07:08How do we get you back on the field if he is, in fact, holding it?
07:11I think Mark's right about, you know, you might sweeten the deal a little bit, but you're not going to
07:15give him a whole, like, boatload and a long-term deal.
07:18But I do think that Christian McCaffrey and the work that he does and how important he is, you can
07:23go ahead and, like, rework it a little bit and give him some more money.
07:26I mean, that's, look, it's all about leverage, right?
07:29Like anything else is.
07:31And so, Dibs, you're not wrong.
07:33Is it, you know, scary this year?
07:36Sure, it's scary.
07:36It's always scary.
07:38It was scary last year.
07:39Yeah, it's always scary.
07:40And, you know, the 49ers, but I don't know that you can go into negotiations and show that pattern.
07:48Well, this has happened twice before and both times you got hurt, so you're definitely going to get hurt this
07:52time.
07:52They'll say no, and it's actually on, at least partially, on the 49ers to manage that.
07:57They've got to not give him 400 touches this year.
08:00That'd be my vote.
08:01Yeah.
08:02But he's got leverage.
08:04I mean, he's a great player and they need him.
08:07No, and he doesn't have any guaranteed money left.
08:09I guess my, I'd be apprehensive if he wants something near top of market value, which is right now $22
08:16.5 million.
08:18I guess I just wonder that if, like, they knew that this was going to be a thing.
08:22And the last time this happened, he signed an extension in June.
08:27And now it's August.
08:29Remember, that was the middle of the night.
08:30And look, he could have just been waiting for Gibbs and Robinson to get their money.
08:34And then that is where we're going to step in and just say, hey, you know, we got some tightness.
08:38And until we figure out the contract, we're just not going to be on the field.
08:42But if you're the Niners, I guess anything beyond this season to me is a total question mark for a
08:49guy like Christian McCaffrey because of his position and how old he is.
08:53I mean, I think it also applies to a few other guys.
08:55You know, you gave Trent money in April, but he's almost 40 years old.
09:00So the age was there.
09:01And what did they do?
09:02I think we got to figure out if Mike Evans, if last season was just a blip on the radar,
09:07or is it the beginning of the end for a guy like him?
09:10Same with someone like George Kittle.
09:12So I think there's a lot of players on this team where it applies.
09:14Guys, it's not just McCaffrey.
09:16And I think they are getting to the point where they have to stop paying players for what they've done
09:21instead of what they think they're going to do.
09:24But that doesn't start here.
09:26I actually don't.
09:27I view it differently.
09:28I don't know that guys are getting paid for what they did or for what they're going to do because
09:33what they did is not terribly relevant.
09:35And what they're going to do is totally predictive and unknown.
09:38What do you pay them for?
09:39It's leverage.
09:41He has it to me.
09:42Correct.
09:42Look at their back.
09:43This is what I heard.
09:44This is what players do, and it's what they should do because it's what teams do.
09:48If teams are sitting there going like, we're going to pay you if you play, and if you're important to
09:55us, and if you're not, then we're just going to cut you, and we're going to save all of this
09:59money that's funny money in the end.
10:01If they're going to do this, then to me, players get to do this too.
10:04That's all.
10:05And so it's no different than anything any of us do in life.
10:09When you encounter a situation where you have the ability to make your situation better, you do it.
10:15You do it.
10:16And he has that because he's Christian freaking McCaffrey and two dudes just reset the market who probably both touched
10:23the ball fewer times than he did last year.
10:25And the other part of it is that if you do decide, like, oh, play out the year, and then
10:29we're going to go ahead and, I don't know, cut you or release you or trade you, the dead cap
10:34becomes $22 million, like right away, boom, on your books.
10:38And next year, he's set to make, I think, $31 million this year, $22.7 million next year.
10:45So you do want to stretch it out.
10:47If you like Christian, they do, and you want to give him a little bit more fresh money, then you
10:51can stretch this thing out even more, which is what the Niners always do.
10:54I guess, Evan, to where I would meet you in the middle on the whole, like, what they've done thing,
10:59I'd be way, way less worried about tweaking things with McCaffrey than I would with Bosa.
11:05I was just about to ask you.
11:06Because Bosa, to me, that's different when it's like, you know, you still need to come out here and show
11:12us that you are, like, I don't know what player you are.
11:16Christian's like, you just saw what player I am.
11:19So that's a little bit different if you are coming off of major injury.
11:23Well, and that might be why Nick Bosa was practicing yesterday and Christian McCaffrey was not.
11:28I don't know if it's directly tied to it.
11:30I also think that Bosa's just got a tougher road back due to his knee.
11:33But if there is a player you're prioritizing paying right now, it's absolutely CMC.
11:39I don't know what, to your point, leverage Nick Bosa has at this point.
11:45Outside of, well, I used to be a really good player, and when I'm at my best, we're clearly a
11:51better football team.
11:52But...
11:52I mean, they do need him.
11:54Well, they do.
11:55They do need him.
11:56Who are they more reliant on right now, though?
11:58Um, I mean, I would argue that both sides of the ball are pretty reliant on those guys.
12:05If you look what happened to the Niner defense when Nick Bosa went out, like...
12:09Last in sacks.
12:09Yeah, they need him.
12:10They need him.
12:11But, so, you know, there's leverage tucked into all of those situations to a degree.
12:19Um, but, when you're coming off of a major injury, you have to...
12:22I feel like there's something also in the sauce of, like, you have to show that you're the same player
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12:39Do you think there's any relation between Bosa and Butler with their situations?
12:49Like, how much they have to go out there and prove it, so to speak?
12:53I mean, Bosa's got more money, more years.
12:56Not guaranteed money, but he's got more years.
12:59And they're both coming off of major injury.
13:02And I think in...
13:03Not in...
13:03Butler's older, but I think there are some people that were also just wondering
13:07if Nick Bosa's still that preeminent sort of talent he was before he got his knee hurt.
13:13Right, and I think that that comp is a fair one, because he's got three knee injuries,
13:17and Jimmy's older, but he's had just the one.
13:19But the other part of it is, I'm looking at the Bosa deal right now,
13:22if you decide this year, okay, you're not the same player, whatever, we want to cut you,
13:2750 million is the dead cat hit for Nick Bosa.
13:30So, it behooves the Niners, I think, more even than Christian McCaffrey
13:34to maybe try to rework that deal and stretch that thing out.
13:38You hope that Nick gets better, better enough to where he can get, you know,
13:41eight, nine, ten sacks or whatever the number is,
13:44and you go ahead and stretch that number out,
13:45because if you decide no on McCaffrey and no on Bosa,
13:49and you're going to take an $80 million cat pit next year,
13:52that's not going to work.
13:54Yeah, and they've already got a pretty big one with IU next season, right?
13:57Right.
13:58Yeah, and you're getting nothing from.
14:01All right, what was the other one we butted heads on, Gu?
14:04Vitello.
14:05Vitello?
14:06Yeah.
14:06Who I'm rooting for.
14:07Oh, that he's going to be a different manager next year,
14:10and he's going to, you know, rip Devers' head off.
14:13No, or do you grow a hammer in regard to authority?
14:16Because, you know, this has been my theme with Tony all year long.
14:21Just because you came from the college ranks, guys,
14:24I believe because they hired me, Buster said, I'm the skipper.
14:27This is my ship, and I'm going to run it.
14:30And when I need to, you know, come down on Willard of the world,
14:33if he's doing something I feel like is not good for the team or the clubhouse,
14:37it's not about my past history and me being a rookie manager
14:40that I can't chastise you or just have a conversation with you
14:43or say something verbally to you in the media after a game.
14:46Some of the great managers use that as not a weapon, as one of their tools.
14:51And I just, this year, have been turned off from Tony
14:54because I feel like he's running from that.
14:56And then when I bring it up, you know, to Evan's credit, I don't agree with him.
14:59Oh, he doesn't have that because he came from college.
15:02I'm like, what the hell with that?
15:04He got picked and deemed the manager,
15:06and that's why he should be able to flex and have that in his utility belt.
15:11But, you know, Evan and I disagreed, and I'm just like,
15:14so next year if he does come back, will spring training,
15:18he'll show up and say, okay, I got one year under my belt.
15:21Now the OGs, you know, the Devers of the world or Adamas's,
15:24if they're not already and they may respect them already,
15:27am I going to be able to use that at my disposal?
15:30I don't, you know, and this again, it's just me.
15:33I don't think you go grow into that.
15:36Like you have it or you don't.
15:38Can I, like, just for fun, can I back up on the premise of the whole thing?
15:43Like, are you guys, like, is it your opinion that that is kind of the linchpin thing
15:50for the Giants right now, Rafi Devers and Tony Vitello?
15:54No.
15:54No.
15:55Okay.
15:55So my thing is, real quick, what I want to know is do the veterans respect them?
16:01And I'll probably never know that, but I think they know in the clubhouse.
16:04Well, here's kind of my current take on this,
16:07is the veterans that we're so worried about are no longer even all that relevant
16:13for the San Francisco Giants baseball.
16:15I think they want the, I want, they want them off the team as quickly as possible.
16:19So who cares?
16:20Right now, if you made me bet on who's a giant longer, Vitello and Devers, who do you pick?
16:27Well, Vitello.
16:28Oh, it's Devers.
16:29I'll take Vitello.
16:30Yeah.
16:31I'll take Vitello.
16:31I would take Devers because in order to get rid of Devers,
16:34they're going to have to pay down a lot of that money,
16:36and I don't believe that they will.
16:38I do.
16:39I mean, that's my own belief, too.
16:40I do because I think that, A, the numbers that he's putting up,
16:46and another year later, if you try to do this again next year,
16:50I think that they're going to have more success with it.
16:53If you look at what they're doing, and by the way, congratulations to Tugboat.
16:57Tugboat got called up today.
17:00It got reported by Jeff Passan instead of the Beat Riders,
17:03which, I mean, I don't know why that was like national news,
17:07but Tugboat, every day right now, the Giants are calling up somebody
17:11their fans have never heard of.
17:13This is a...
17:13So you're saying the Giants have made a choice.
17:15This is a total rebuild.
17:17It's happening before your eyes, and they won't call it that.
17:21Look what they're doing.
17:22It's got all the characteristics of a rebuild.
17:24And in that athletic article that came out last week about Posey,
17:29just casually mentioned Devers, and the next sentence was,
17:33he was heavily shopped at the deadline.
17:37And then it moved on and talked about other stuff.
17:41The Giants want to give first base to Bryce Eldridge.
17:44That's my reason.
17:44As well they should.
17:45Yeah.
17:46But are they willing to do what needs to be done in order to make that happen?
17:50And that's where I pause, because Devers has seven more years,
17:54and you owe him whatever, $200 or $175, whatever the number is.
17:58And so any team is like, yeah, we'll take him,
18:01but you have to pay like $100 million for us to take him.
18:04Right.
18:04But you have to pay $175 to keep him, and you don't want to do that.
18:08Like, the money's going.
18:10The money's the money, but at least if he's here,
18:12he's like hitting balls into the bay for you.
18:15But also getting in the way of your franchise player.
18:19Not only getting in the way,
18:20but also I think casting a pall over the organization to where Tony Vitello,
18:24and I don't know this firsthand,
18:26but it feels like Tony Vitello was unable to come in and like,
18:30you know, you need to this, and you need to run out the ball,
18:33and Willie, you need to know how many outs there are.
18:35And so he's been a little bit defanged by the veterans.
18:38I agree with you in terms of, yeah,
18:40let's go ahead and turn this whole thing over.
18:42Let's get a bunch of Drew Gilberts, and that way we can like, you know,
18:45Tony, hip, hip, hooray, we can rah-rah this thing,
18:48and, you know, we can see what we have.
18:50Kind of bummed that Drew Gilbert's not doing his act that much anymore.
18:54He's actually like playing baseball.
18:56And getting hits.
18:56I like it better when he eats the dugout wall
18:58and pulls on people's jerseys and falls over in the outfield
19:02when they win a game.
19:03Yeah, he turned on one over the weekend, though.
19:04I was like, okay, Drew, I'll see you.
19:05Oh, yeah.
19:06A little easier to do that when you're winning.
19:08Yeah, I mean.
19:09When was that?
19:10That's my point.
19:11Man.
19:11Because there hasn't been a whole lot of it.
19:13I like, I just, I don't know how Tony Vitello
19:18is all of a sudden going to be a different guy.
19:22Like, the guy the goo wants, I guess.
19:25And I think he has been himself this season.
19:28I think he is basically the manager of a very bad baseball team
19:36who, and he's not going to turn his back on this either.
19:39I mean, the idea that he's going to go back to college,
19:41I don't really buy much into because I think that would be a bad look for him.
19:46And sort of similar to Posey, I just don't know why that meant
19:49he would have taken the job in the first place.
19:50I think the question is, do you think that Vitello can be himself
19:57while Devers or Adamas, if you want to throw Chapman in there, you can,
20:02are still on the team?
20:03See, that's a concern.
20:04And my answer right now is hell no.
20:07But now hearing your thought, if you're right,
20:09and this is where they're going, and they're one step ahead of,
20:12hey, Devers, we've moved on.
20:14You're still here, but you ain't going to be here.
20:16Then I'm like, maybe he'll get what Evan's talking about.
20:19But right now they just look like glaziers in the ocean of keeping Tony
20:24or preventing him from being, you know, the guy.
20:28And I'm not saying flip a spread, but I'm just,
20:30it just feels like the giant players,
20:32and it's mainly the OGs have just gotten away with stuff, man.
20:36He's flipped the spread.
20:39Yesterday he said they have a TV.
20:41No, he'd been flipping the spread months ago, but it hasn't worked.
20:46I don't like to hear that, but if you're right.
20:48That's a fact.
20:49He's been flipping the spread.
20:51So he brought the build out.
20:52It hasn't worked.
20:53It hasn't worked.
20:55So I think what you watch going forward is,
20:57to the point you're trying to make,
20:59what matters is not even necessarily like,
21:03and I don't think Chapman is really all that much a part of this.
21:06Maybe there's a little bit of an Adamas thing.
21:09I think, right, maybe a little push-pull there,
21:11some Devers for sure.
21:12But do they end up with the power in the locker room?
21:18Right now, I think they have.
21:20It feels like that.
21:21I guess my, but right now it doesn't matter.
21:24So next year, are your best players, Devers, Adamas, and Chapman?
21:29Are your best players, Eldridge, Schmidt, and Lee?
21:32Are your best, right?
21:33Like, is it people we haven't even met yet?
21:36So, like, that power dynamic,
21:39and so you're bringing up all these young players
21:41and baseball prospectus and baseball America.
21:45Everybody's loving the Giants farm system.
21:47As those guys come up,
21:49can Vitello have a completely different sort of a power dynamic
21:52and vibe with them?
21:54Because if they're the most important people in the organization,
21:58then...
21:59He's an overseer.
22:00Yep.
22:01And can he last long enough to where they actually come up?
22:03That's a good question.
22:04Because if next year is like this year,
22:06well then, okay, your first year, your rookie year, that's fine.
22:10We'll give you a pass.
22:11You lost 90-whatever games this year.
22:13But next year, if you run that back
22:15and you have the same kind of veteran disconnect with the manager,
22:18I think at that point, he's in a little bit of a spot.
22:21And also, I was reading,
22:23I think it might have been the one in the Athletic or maybe John Shea,
22:26but the Giants are paying $10 million for their manager this year.
22:29The Bob Melvin buyout, the Vitello buyout,
22:33and then the Vitello salary.
22:34That's not a great look when you lose 90-something.
22:38I've never thought that firing Tony Vitello,
22:41now if he left, that would have been completely different.
22:44But they weren't going to fire another manager.
22:49And in theory, I also think about this,
22:52next year this is true for Buster as well.
22:55They come back with another year of experience under their belt.
22:58You'd hope that they learn from some mistakes
23:00and do things a little bit differently.
23:02It does feel like if money was no consequence,
23:04that he'd still want Vitello to be the manager next year, though.
23:07I mean, it might be the wrong decision,
23:10but he thinks pretty highly of him.
23:12And, you know, the experience is not as much of an issue for Buster Posey.
23:17You know, the $10 million is, I think, a big factor
23:19in why it's like there's no question we're not going to pay another dude.
23:22But he seems to really believe that Tony Vitello's got whatever it is.
23:28And so far this season, we haven't seen much of it.
23:32But my point to goo is I'm just not sure how much we're allowed to
23:36because of how bad the team is
23:38and how he kind of was just set up to fail.
23:41Right.
23:42Exactly.
23:42Exactly.
23:43I'm laughing.
23:43Go ahead.
23:44That's what hits me the most.
23:46It's like Buster goes out and he signs Adamas.
23:49He signs Chapman.
23:50You bring in Devers.
23:51Let's find a college manager to go ahead and manage these guys
23:54making nine figures.
23:56That, to me, is the biggest red flag about Buster Posey.
23:59And yesterday, I'm laughing at Tony because he goes,
24:01it's kind of hard for Walsh to watch this.
24:03I'm like, you should be more upset than Walsh.
24:07But I believe that was get back from Ron talking to the Apple TV folks.
24:11Oh, you thought he was firing at Ron?
24:13No.
24:13It was kind of funny.
24:15I thought it was a measure of respect because he brought up the fans, too.
24:19But he brought up Ron.
24:20He was like these.
24:21I'm like, you're the skipper.
24:22You should be more mad than Ron.
24:24No, but his point was I love Ron and we're making Ron watch this.
24:29And I love the fans.
24:30People paid to watch you.
24:32Jace Tingler was a manager, but he still had to watch.
24:35You're right.
24:35He didn't have to thank anybody, but I get it.
24:37He said, watch.
24:38I said, well, damn, Tony, you should be more upset than Walsh.
24:42But I get it.
24:43But, hey, we'll see what happens.
24:44But on your bingo card, real quick here, what if he does do, you know, Tony decided, this
24:50has been hell on earth.
24:51If there's an opening in Mizzou or I can get back to the college ranks, I'll go.
24:56And then Buster would look great by saying to us, like he did, he was coming back.
25:01So it wasn't that bad.
25:02This would shock me.
25:04Okay.
25:04This would absolutely shock me.
25:06Because that would be very embarrassing for Tony.
25:08It would still, I find it, it would still be very embarrassing for the Giants.
25:12And I don't think Buster says what he said over the weekend unless they already know he's
25:16coming back.
25:17Yeah.
25:17That's why he said he's coming back.
25:19Tony does not strike me as a guy who's going to look at this year and turn tail and just
25:23say, you know what?
25:23Maybe I wasn't ready.
25:25He strikes me more as like a double down guy.
25:27Like, yeah, I'm going to do this again.
25:29And I also think like I was talking about with Buster Posey and the roster, like if you want
25:34Tony Vitello, young, inexperienced to manage a team, they also need to be like him, young
25:40and inexperienced.
25:41Don't forget in this entire dynamic that we're talking about what we're going into also.
25:45We're going into a complete season of chaos where the new CBA, like we don't even, right.
25:54Like I think there will be, but there's all of that as well.
25:58So the way they construct this, the money that we're talking about, all of that stuff.
26:02In other words, I guess the main thing that comes to my mind is Devers a lot more shoppable
26:07next July than this.
26:10Knowing what's coming, like next year will be in the rear view by then.
26:15I think they can move Devers.
26:17I think I like Tony to finish next year with the Giants more than Devers.
26:21I'm not mad.
26:23And I don't want to run any, I don't have the power to.
26:25I told Evan, I'm just looking at Devers on my TV and I'm a big mannerisms guy and he
26:32just doesn't do it for me as far as, I bet if he threw a party, would the whole team
26:36be
26:36there, you know.
26:37He looked at that double.
26:38There's just, there's something about him that I just don't think equates to winning.
26:42And he won a World Series, but I feel like he's in a pissy mood, Dibs, and they know it.
26:46Yeah.
26:46No doubt.
26:47But I mean, then he comes up and mashes one in the bay.
26:49He's swinging violently.
26:51The dude can hit, there's no doubt.
26:52He legged up that homer too.
26:53It didn't go out, but I was like, whoa, violent swings.
26:57What was it, that pitch that he hit into the bay was the closest to the ground pitch that
27:04was hit for a homer in the bigs all year.
27:07He scooped it.
27:08He scooped the sucker.
27:09He'll get booed in Boston before we leave.
27:11No doubt, right?
27:12I would hope.
27:14I'm not so sure.
27:15Did you get booed when you were in Boston?
27:17No, I didn't get booed.
27:17I got there.
27:18All right.
27:18Oh, man.
27:18You got to keep it locked right here on 9-8-5-7, The Game.
27:21Willard and Dibs coming up next.
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