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00:00Alright, it's crossover time. Let's welcome in Dan Dibley and Mark Willard. Evan Giddings already here.
00:06And this is, I'll just, I'll throw it out there like this. Here's the 49ers news, gentlemen and listeners.
00:13George Kittle's going to miss four games. He's on the injured list. No update on Juwan Jennings.
00:19Brock Purdy's got a toe and a shoulder. He's questionable for Sunday. And Jake Moody has been waived.
00:27Four nuggets.
00:28Yep, nuggets. Don't forget about the return of Eddie D.
00:34Eddie DiBartolo? No, different Eddie D.
00:37Eddie Pinheiro's nickname is Eddie De Niro.
00:41Oh, that's true.
00:42So he will go by Eddie D. Provided that he kicks the ball between the uprights. No, he's not on the team yet. He's just working out.
00:49But he's got the inside tracks, Danny.
00:50Alrighty.
00:52If he wins five Lombardis, he can be Eddie D.
00:54Okay.
00:55But until then, he's going to be Eddie P.
00:57Right now, I'll take a 27-yard field goal, okay?
01:01Yep.
01:01And it's, I was looking at the game again today.
01:03Not the whole game, but just snippets of it.
01:06And I've pinpointed when it was officially over for Jake Moody.
01:11And it was not the first miss.
01:13It was the second miss.
01:14And it was blocked.
01:15And that wasn't really Jake's fault.
01:17But they go on a drive that took eight minutes and 14 seconds, which is classic Shanahan.
01:24And yeah, you want seven in that point, but you didn't get it.
01:26And okay, we'll take three.
01:28We'll take three.
01:29We took eight minutes off the clock.
01:31The game is now tied, and our defense is fresh, and you couldn't even get the field goal.
01:36But why do you think that's the moment that killed him when that wasn't his fault?
01:39Because that was where I think that he was even more exasperated than he was with the first one.
01:45Because this one was, while it was the coverage fault, the fact that they needed that to tie the game,
01:51and they still couldn't do it, I think that was where he just realized that a lot has to change with this unit.
01:57Yeah, I think Shanahan is just a results-based guy.
02:01And it's like, all right, we had three field goals, and we got three points.
02:05That's just not good enough.
02:06And whether it's not on Jake or—I just feel like it's so demoralizing when you're marching down the field
02:14or maybe your defense gets a big stop.
02:17And the last thing you should have to think about is how many points are going up on the board,
02:22especially when you look across the NFL, and there's so many kickers of varying degrees.
02:27of levels of talent that are putting him at 45, 50, some at 60, like Chris Boswell,
02:34that the last thing Kyle Shanahan or honestly anybody on the team should be thinking about is,
02:38is our kicker going to make a kick?
02:41Well, and I'd say even more so because of the position we're talking about.
02:46Like, I've—okay, Ephraim Salam, who I do the Sunday show with, is going to join us today at 345.
02:54And one of the reasons—he played for both Kyle and Mike Shanahan, but one of the reasons we want to have it on
02:59is he spent a lot of our Sunday show bemoaning kickers.
03:03And this is that politics are alive in every workplace in America, in ours and in theirs.
03:08And so, this is part of what I think is also taking place.
03:13No one will ever say this in front of a microphone.
03:15Nick boasts about it, oh, I'm never going to turn on a teammate.
03:18Okay, you don't even look at him as a teammate.
03:21That's the point.
03:23The politics in a football locker room absolutely will not allow a kicker to come out
03:31and mess up all the bumps and bruises that the rest of the guys have just taken on
03:36in order to put points on the board.
03:39I told Lucas this earlier.
03:41Like, saying that a kicker is a teammate would be akin to you hiring somebody to come over to your house,
03:47put together your IKEA furniture, and then calling that person a family member.
03:51No.
03:51You ever put together one of those?
03:53They're going to be in your house for about three days.
03:55Right, but when you're done—
03:56My ex-wife, actually, I was telling the story before how she came to your house
04:00and put together a bunch of your chairs.
04:01And what did you do when she was done, Stiney?
04:04Welcome to the family.
04:05You know, you said, thank you for doing your job.
04:11Now go.
04:12Now go.
04:13It was a little warmer than that.
04:14If you do the job wrong, we've got a real problem here.
04:20I was thinking about that, too, a little bit more and more.
04:23I do think there's something.
04:24Like, Shanahan, of all—he owes it to the 52 other guys on the team to waive him
04:33because you can't have that festering in a locker room.
04:37And you don't want to wait until he costs you one to deal with it.
04:42They got fortunate.
04:44They won that game, and Moody didn't help them.
04:47So I feel like—and Dibs, what would you think about this one?
04:51I feel like it was an easy call, kind of a safe call, and, like, just one that had to be done.
04:58For sure.
04:58And if you look at both drives that resulted in no points, they were a total of 25 plays.
05:04You did a great job earlier, Evan, of breaking down the money drives and the snaps for McCaffrey.
05:10And one of those money drives was that one at the end of the half, and you got no money.
05:16And so you used CMC a lot, and you got down there, and, yeah, your red zone needs to be better,
05:21and you didn't have Kittle, and it wasn't.
05:22Okay, get three and go to the locker room.
05:25You got nothing.
05:26Good day, sir.
05:27And then the final drive, again, you mentioned it, where a lot of CMC, and you actually got the seven,
05:32and you got it done.
05:33Lucky or not lucky, whatever.
05:35You take the win, and you run.
05:36But the two drives that resulted in a missed field goal and a blocked field goal were 25 plays,
05:4325 plays of your 11-man offense putting it all out there on the line,
05:49fork down conversions, move the chains, keep it going, and you can't get any points.
05:54That's unacceptable.
05:55I mean, I just look at a football sideline.
05:57I think it's interesting how nice we think these guys are all to each other.
06:01They're not.
06:02These are the biggest, meanest, baddest, most alpha males in all of sport,
06:08and you think that those dudes who are putting concussions on the line every play are okay
06:14with the specialist who never gets dirty to come out there and mess up the points?
06:19I'm not saying it's fair or it's kind, but that's not what we're doing here.
06:23No, it's completely unfair.
06:24Yeah, but that's how it is.
06:26Exactly.
06:26I mean, there are some cases of kickers who have built relationships over periods of time.
06:31I remember Brandon McManus was randomly extremely close with Vaughn Miller in the Denver Broncos.
06:36That is random.
06:38Yeah, they're best friends.
06:39They both wore cowboy hats and cowboy boots to games.
06:41They were boys, and it was a big deal when McManus got cut by the Broncos
06:45because Vaughn was his best friend, but he got cut because he wasn't good anymore.
06:50He was missing field goals.
06:52So, like, kickers can be quote-unquote teammates, but only if they do their jobs,
06:58and they have to do it more than anybody else on the squad.
07:01That's because that's what you sign up for.
07:03Like, Vinatieri probably became a teammate.
07:05Exactly.
07:06Vinatieri probably became a teammate because you clutch up and you end up doing some things
07:10that help guys to their goal.
07:11But when you do the opposite, man, there's just – I'm telling you, there's no patience for it.
07:16He became a teammate that night where he kicked two in the snow, including the game winner in the game.
07:23I can't remember who they played that night, but the first one he kicked was inexplicable,
07:28and then the game winner, and I think it was a playoff game.
07:31Might have been.
07:32Could have been, yeah.
07:32Kind of a big one.
07:33Well, definitely postseason.
07:34Yeah.
07:35I might have been listening to the game on my Sony Walkman sitting next to Tom Tolbert at that time.
07:40Did you have it tucked?
07:41I did not have it tucked.
07:43I was going on – it was an untuck-it night for me.
07:45I was an untuck-it night.
07:45I was a stage manager doing a college basketball game.
07:48Just checking.
07:49Yeah, with double T's on color commentary.
07:52And who won that game?
07:53Couldn't remember.
07:54Oh, okay.
07:55It was a Stanford home game.
07:56I was sitting between Tom Tolbert and Jim Plunkett because that's the way you –
08:00Wow.
08:00Well, that's the way you did it when, you know, because Jim Plunkett was always courtside next to the TV booth.
08:05Whatever.
08:06Gotcha.
08:06You know, the other thing, and I haven't even really been thinking about it this way, but it's so obvious.
08:12Now I realize that I had a big blind spot.
08:18I've always been thinking about Moody.
08:20Like, you know, you can't let him miss a game winner.
08:23There's more than just a game winner.
08:26Like, when he misses in the first quarter, it impacts the team right there.
08:31Right then.
08:31Like, I've been, like, focused too much on the late kick to win or lose a game.
08:39No.
08:39It's the psyche of the team during the game if he's missing.
08:45The metrics of that game on Sunday would suggest that the 49ers absolutely bludgeoned the Seattle Seahawks.
08:54They had two minutes for every one of their time of possession.
08:59They, look at the passing yards, look at the rushing yards, look at everything that happened up and down that field.
09:07The advanced metrics would tell you the 49ers won that game by double digits.
09:12And they needed a wonky, weird throw to a backup tight end on third down just to get a lead.
09:19And Jake Moody has a huge hand in that.
09:22It's a huge hand why the game even came down to that situation.
09:26I think that's the way they look at it.
09:27So, yeah, it's actually a miracle he didn't cost them a game.
09:30I mean, it's a six-point swing at the end of the half.
09:33You don't get three points.
09:35And, sure, is it guaranteed that they're going to go down the score?
09:40No.
09:40But I have to imagine that the faces of the 49ers, which were dejected, and according to Pam Oliver, people were throwing helmets.
09:49On the opposite side, they're feeling the opposite way.
09:53Like, they're feeling like, oh, my God, this guy just gave us a cookie.
09:56Like, let's go get three points and steal the lead.
09:59Steal the game.
09:59I mean, so it's a massive swing.
10:02And I just, to your point, too, I felt like through the first quarter and a half, they were in control of the game the whole way.
10:08And then it flipped when Jake Moody misses his first kick.
10:11Well, I arrived at this thought yesterday.
10:13What do you guys all think about this?
10:14You know, the Purdy throw to Tonjes looked like riskier than it needed to be, right?
10:23You're at the four-yard line, and you're down by three points.
10:27I think Brock Purdy, I think Jake Moody absolutely had everything to do with why Brock Purdy threw that ball.
10:34I think the 49ers went into that drive thinking, we're done kicking footballs today.
10:39He can kick the extra point, but outside of that, we're done kicking footballs today.
10:45And so I actually firmly believe they would have gone for it on fourth down if that pass was incomplete.
10:50But I think that's why Brock was forcing stuff there at the end, because they were just like, we're done.
10:56We're done kicking balls.
10:57If we kick this, even if it goes through, we tie, there's 90 seconds to go.
11:02They may go down and win in regulation.
11:04Even if they don't, we're going to get into a kicking contest in overtime, and that's not going to go well.
11:08Well, if you were going to go for it on fourth, then wouldn't you throw it away instead of taking the chance on third?
11:15No, I mean, see if the guy can make a play on third.
11:18Like, in other words, though, you're in a desperate situation, and you'd rather not even get to fourth down.
11:24Yeah.
11:24So give it a shot.
11:26But I think that's what I think, not so much maybe on that play, but I think their focus on that drive was we have to go get a touchdown.
11:34Yeah, no, that I 100% agree with.
11:36Yeah, and I wonder if Purdy assumed Kyle would never send Moody out from the two, you know what I mean?
11:48I don't know.
11:49Or could he have possibly said, look, you're getting seven here or nothing because I ain't going to Moody.
11:57So they go, if it's incomplete, let's just say, you know, Ton just doesn't go up and get it, and it's a bobble, whatever, out of bounds.
12:03It's fourth and three from the four, and you can still get a first down.
12:07I think that he brings out Moody.
12:09I don't think that he goes for it.
12:10I don't know.
12:11We may never know, and he did go for it twice on fourth down in the game, and they were two for two on fourth down, which is kind of Unshanny-like, but including the drive that I was mentioning where it's fourth and two, and they're at the 30-yard line, and he runs that little pass to Farrell.
12:31His only catch of the game, great catch, great throw, first down.
12:35Good stick.
12:35And you wound up having to kick anyway, and then the kick got blocked.
12:39That's why I look at that drive and think, Shanny put himself out there.
12:43You went four on fourth down instead of a 47-yarder because you didn't have the faith, and then you got to fourth and two at the 18, and you thought, all right, we're going to kick it now.
12:53Now we're going to make this one, right?
12:55You golfers, you remember this.
12:58How many, was it like a one-and-a-half-foot putt that Retief Goosen missed for the U.S. Open?
13:04He won it the next day in a playoff.
13:06Stiney, do you remember this?
13:07I don't.
13:08It's like a one-and-a-half, two-foot putt for the Open, and he missed it.
13:13I don't know if you guys, did you review Greg Olson's, like, the actual, the Fox game call of Moody's 27-yard miss?
13:21If you listen to this, I think it's very telling to the way a football player, Greg Olson, a tight end, the way they think about this.
13:28Sound like Chris Rock from the Oscars.
13:30You have it.
13:31Wow.
13:32Just listen.
13:33Wow, dude.
13:33Listen to how just flummoxed Olson is that you can miss as an NFL kicker.
13:41Time for the legal.
13:42That close, that clean.
13:44Yeah, legal then, then Greg.
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13:55Jake Moody is looking for a bounce back here.
13:56Jake Moody is looking for a bounce back here.
13:59He missed nine of his last 20 tries last season, and he starts this year by dunking one.
14:06No good.
14:06The Demons of 24 live for Jake Moody.
14:13Point blank.
14:15Wow.
14:16Off the up run.
14:17I think if you would have asked Jake Moody, you get to go put the ball at whatever yard line and whatever hash you want for your first kick to kind of exercise the Demons of last year.
14:28Where would you want it?
14:30I think you would have put the ball right there.
14:32I mean, that is, at this level, nothing's a given.
14:36That's pretty much close to as much of a given as it gets at this level.
14:40Dude, this is a top in putt.
14:43Just tap it in.
14:44So I get your point, Dibs, but I think it was over right then.
14:49I think that was a wrap.
14:50I'm really impressed by how that doink came through on the air.
14:54Didn't that come to the other good?
14:55That was, wow.
14:56Jake Moody is looking for a bounce back here.
14:58He missed nine of his last 20 tries last season, and he starts.
15:03It is.
15:04It's got some bass to it.
15:06Yep.
15:06Boom.
15:07Well, the inside of them are probably hollow, right?
15:10There was no mistake.
15:12He missed that kick.
15:13And they stop a mic up there.
15:14Seven such kicks were missed last year in the National Football League.
15:17Inside of 29 yards, 29 and under.
15:21Kaimi Fairbairn missed a couple of them.
15:23But he's built up a lot more equity than Jake Moody has.
15:26So it's not like it's 100% kick.
15:29It's probably closer to 98.6 body temperature.
15:33But when you don't have that equity and you miss one, then you lose your job.
15:37Yeah.
15:37I mean, you just can't trust the guy.
15:39You just can't.
15:41I mean, and it sucks, too, because, well, I don't know about you guys.
15:45When you saw that they drafted a kicker in the third round, what went through your mind?
15:51Because I don't know if they expected it to end less than three years later.
15:55However, there's no precedent for this ending well.
15:59I remember two thoughts going through my mind.
16:01The first one is, he better be really good.
16:04But I also remember things were so good for the Niners at that time.
16:08There was this arrogant, snooty thought of, dude, they're so stacked at every position.
16:13Just like, yeah, take a kicker.
16:16Just do it.
16:17You don't even need anybody else.
16:19So, like, get that, too.
16:21That was kind of the thought that went through my mind at that time.
16:25But, yeah, the first one was, he better be good.
16:27And he wasn't.
16:29I mean, Dan, I don't know if you did this, but when I found out they drafted Jake Moody,
16:34I went to resident Michigan expert Dan Daly, our friend.
16:38And I said, geez, look at Moody, third round pick.
16:41What's he?
16:41And Dan said, he's good.
16:45And I thought he was.
16:46Yeah.
16:47But Dan was wrong, apparently.
16:47I mean, no kicker is as good as the third.
16:49I don't know.
16:50I don't know.
16:51He was good.
16:52Sebastian Janikowski, first round in 2000.
16:54And he, I don't know if he was a first round worthy kicker, but he had a good long career.
17:00He made a lot of kicks.
17:01And he was a good kicker.
17:03He was good.
17:03Put aside his draft status.
17:05Mike Nugent, second round by the Jets.
17:07Don't think that he lived up to a second round grade.
17:10Get to my favorite.
17:12Roberto Aguayo.
17:13No.
17:13Second round out of Tampa Bay.
17:15He might have lasted a year.
17:17Did I have this right?
17:18The Niners did this once before, right?
17:20Long time ago.
17:21I think Doug Bryan was a third round pick.
17:23Was he not?
17:24You're not seeing it here on my list, courtesy of the Sporting News.
17:28Doug Bryan out of Cal.
17:29What about 1979, Dibs?
17:3279?
17:33One of the most celebrated college kickers in the history of our game.
17:37Russell Erksleben?
17:37Yes, sir.
17:38Russell Erksleben.
17:39Sure.
17:39He was a field goal kicker and punter.
17:42And he got drafted 11th.
17:44Third round.
17:45Third round, 1994.
17:4711th overall?
17:4811th overall pick in 79.
17:50Russell Erksleben.
17:51Did he also throw?
17:52No.
17:53No.
17:53Oh, my God.
17:54But he had a leg.
17:55Did he make all of his kicks?
17:57No.
17:57He was only in the league.
17:59Yeah, it looks like.
18:01Yeah, not very long.
18:02Four or five years.
18:03The point is, compared to what you can find off the street or in the undrafted free agent
18:07column, typically kickers that are picked or just drafted at all, they don't work out.
18:13But you know why he got drafted?
18:15Why?
18:15Because in 1977, he hit a 67-yarder.
18:21Oh, boy.
18:21And he was also a really good punter.
18:23And somebody thought, we got action.
18:27I can tell you who.
18:29But it doesn't matter.
18:30Yeah.
18:31The Oilers?
18:33Well, I mean, 67 back then is probably utterly ridiculous.
18:37Saints.
18:37Now it feels like any kicker can make one from 55.
18:41Oh, you have to.
18:42Except for Jake Moody.
18:43Yeah, you have to.
18:44Actually, Jake Moody, I mean, he has plenty of leg to do it.
18:49But yeah, he's just not straight enough.
18:52And he's kind of, he even made, his early season stats or early career stats were made
18:59off of chip shots.
19:01You know, that's the other thing about his rookie year.
19:03The Niners were so good.
19:04He tried 61 extra points that year.
19:08Only missed one.
19:09But he only tried 25 field goals.
19:12Made 21 of them.
19:14But he was below 70% from beyond 40 yards.
19:18And that's just, I don't know, man.
19:21That's just not good enough.
19:21And it also feels to me, it's always felt like for Jake, the bigger the kick, the less
19:27likely he is to make it.
19:29The more pressure.
19:31What's the biggest kick he's ever made?
19:33He made two in the Super Bowl.
19:35Yeah.
19:35He made 250 plus in the Super Bowl.
19:36Do you remember the scores at the time and the, you know, the quarters?
19:41Two 50s is nothing to sneeze at in the Super Bowl.
19:43And he tied one.
19:44He tied the game late, didn't he?
19:46That was the longest kick in the history of the Super Bowl, was it not?
19:49Man.
19:49It was like 56 or something.
19:50They also missed an extra point in that game, though.
19:52Right.
19:53Right.
19:53Yikes.
19:55He made one from 55 to make it 3-0, Niners in the second quarter.
19:59No pressure.
19:59And then he made another to go up by three with two minutes left in the fourth from 53.
20:04There you go.
20:04That's the one.
20:05It's pretty big.
20:06Tie game, Super Bowl, three minutes to go, 53 yards.
20:09That's a big kick.
20:10It is, but it's such a friendly...
20:11Did anybody think he was going to make that kick?
20:14It's such a friendly...
20:15See, no.
20:16People will disagree with this, but I look at that as, oh, that's such a friendly number
20:21for a game-winning field goal.
20:2453.
20:25I mean, ideally, it'd be about 56.
20:27In a dome.
20:28So you can miss it, and it's not a chippy.
20:31Yep.
20:32But if you make it, you're the hero.
20:34Well, I mean, if they can get a stop, you're the hero.
20:37Right.
20:37But, and, you know, nobody wants to talk about the Steve Wilkes defense on the other end,
20:41because this is about Jake Moody.
20:43What I find to be ironic about this is the final field goal he made in that game was
20:50the same distance that he missed in week one, 27 yards in overtime after the offense was
20:56unable to block up a play that was going to be a guaranteed touchdown.
21:00Moody gets the field goal.
21:01They go up 22-19.
21:03Mahomes drives down.
21:04The rest is history.
21:0527-yarder.
21:06He makes it in the Super Bowl.
21:08Week one in Seattle, 27-yarder.
21:10He misses it, he doinks it, and now he's on the street.
21:14I mean, it's just got to be all between the ears.
21:16Like, someone brought up earlier, called into the show, this guy Young-Hway Ku for kicks
21:19for the Falcons now.
21:21His first two games in the NFL, he missed game-winning kicks when he was on the Chargers.
21:26They cut him very quickly.
21:28And now he's one of the better kickers in the NFL.
21:29So maybe Jake Moody still has a chance to make something of himself, but...
21:33But your point about it being mental is a good one, because Ku had, like, four really
21:37good years with the Falcons.
21:38They brought someone in for tryouts today also, because last year, after four straight
21:43years of north of 80%, last year he shot about 74, I think it was, 74%, and then he missed
21:52the game-tying kick at the buzzer on Sunday against the Bucs.
21:57And so now he may well be out of a job this week, too.
22:00So, Doug Bryan did not get drafted by the Niners, though.
22:04Yes, he did.
22:04Oh, he did.
22:05He did.
22:06He did pick 85 overall, 1994 draft, and he was gone a year later.
22:11Right, right.
22:12So he didn't work out here.
22:13No.
22:14See, that's the other thing.
22:15And it's an interesting point on the Boxer and Gershon work injury attorney's text line
22:18is, is there, like, a built-in more pressure for the rare kicker that does get drafted?
22:26I just think it's a, because it's a more mental position, you're going to get more ups and
22:30downs.
22:31Like, you may have the most talented guy, but the most talented guy may go through a two-year
22:36stretch of having the yips.
22:38That doesn't really happen for linebackers.
22:40You know what I mean?
22:41Yeah.
22:41It's like, you're either just, you're really good and you got it, or you don't.
22:44You don't go through the yips.
22:46I mean, you also hope the problem is over, but then again, you're having to move on from
22:50your kicker.
22:51Like, special teams is, I don't know, you kind of, you need it, but you'd like to not
22:59worry about it.
23:00I just wonder if we're going to be talking about the kicking situation all season.
23:03Can I ask you guys this?
23:04Probably.
23:04Yeah.
23:04Weirdest position in sports.
23:06Has Shanahan entered Don Nelson territory?
23:09Meaning what?
23:11People say casually, oh, Don Nelson didn't care about defense.
23:15Kyle Shanahan doesn't care about special teams.
23:18Well, he hasn't mastered it, but the look on his face would suggest he cares.
23:22My God, he's ticked off.
23:25Right?
23:25He is very, very mad.
23:28So, I think he cares.
23:30He hasn't cracked the code yet on how to do it well.
23:34No.
23:35He brought in a new coordinator, and you're hoping that that new coordinator, who's been
23:38a special teams coach in this league for a long time, you hope that he can shore it up.
23:42But I don't think that Shanahan spends a lot of his time either coaching it up or worrying
23:47about it.
23:48He just wants it to be taken care of, you know?
23:51You just want that to be done.
23:53And I was looking at the advanced metrics through one week in the NFL, and they are 32nd
23:57in special teams in defense-adjusted value over average.
24:02And the team that's 31st is so far ahead of them, they are so far last after one week,
24:10it is galling.
24:12It's like a pair of slippers on a Sunday.
24:14It just feels like home.
24:1632nd place.
24:16Yep.
24:17Nowhere to go but up.
24:18That's true, too.
24:19I mean, it's a small sample.
24:21Weren't they last year?
24:23Or close to?
24:24Close to it, yeah.
24:25They might have been 31st.
24:26So, one thing didn't change.
24:28Exactly.
24:28Defense is a lot better.
24:29Sure is.
24:30Looks like it.
24:31All right, gents.
24:32It's time for me, guys.
24:34It's 2-12.
24:35And what do you got today on the show, though?
24:37Are you action?
24:38We have a show.
24:39There's always action.
24:40Yeah.
24:41Any special guests today?
24:42Ephraim Salam will join us.
24:44Oh, that's right.
24:44Cam Inman will join us.
24:46Oh, boy.
24:47Nice.
24:47And then who knows who else?
24:48And you have joined us, Stiney, as has Evan, because it is 2-12.
24:52Have you noticed what he's wearing on his chest today?
24:57Oh.
24:57Yeah.
24:58Okay.
24:59They got action.
25:00The Giants.
25:00I'm going to the game tonight.
25:02I thought Guru.
25:02So is Evan.
25:03I thought Guru was going to be here today, and I was already licking my chops saying,
25:07you've got to let him have it.
25:10Meaning.
25:11Why?
25:11No, meaning have this one.
25:13They're in it.
25:14Oh, oh, oh.
25:14You know what I mean?
25:14Well, three out.
25:16Three is a.
25:16Yeah.
25:17I know it's kind of four.
25:19It's kind of four.
25:20It's not kind of.
25:21It is four.
25:21No, but there's a thing now.
25:23It's really not three.
25:24Yeah.
25:24If they draw even.
25:25They lose.
25:26No, I understand that.
25:28Right.
25:28So it's four.
25:29But there's 18 games to go.
25:30Those numbers are low enough now.
25:32It's like me saying I'm 5'9".
25:34I'm just not.
25:35Why don't we meet in the middle?
25:36They're three and a half out.
25:38Because if they're four out, then if they go up by four, they would be tied.
25:41But they're not.
25:42They would win.
25:43If they gained four games, they'd be one up.
25:45They'd win.
25:45They'd win.
25:46So they're not four out.
25:47They're three and a half out.
25:48Can we agree on that?
25:50No, because there's no half game to be had.
25:52They're four out.
25:53No, but they're not.
25:54Because if they make up four, then they'd be tied.
25:56But they're not tied.
25:57They'd win.
25:58But if they make up three, they're tied and they lose.
26:00There is no half game.
26:02Walked out.
26:03I mean, if you don't want to stay for this semantics argument, it's really fun.
26:07You can leave.
26:08What is going on here?
26:10Oh, 95.7.
26:11The game.
26:11Bye.
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