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00:00Football season almost here. Coach Lance with us right now.
00:05Wisehart Wright, we make a right called Kyle Wright Hotline.
00:07Coach Riz with us. Lance Reisland, 92.3 The Fan, Cleveland.com.
00:11He's joining us right now this morning. Coach, good morning to you.
00:15Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for having me.
00:16I'm glad to have you, my friend.
00:18And first question up, what is going to be the biggest deciding factor,
00:22the deciding factor for Todd Munkin in choosing his starting quarterback?
00:27Well, I think it comes down to two things.
00:29First and foremost, they've got to protect the football.
00:30Ten interceptions last year in Shador's starts, that's too much,
00:35even though I thought he made great progress.
00:36And Watson obviously comes down to health.
00:39But I think the key for me is going in with not bias.
00:42When you go in with bias, a quarterback over an entire practice
00:46or a quarterback over an entire game, they're going to have ups and downs.
00:50And if you have a bias, when they make those plays, good plays or bad plays
00:53or interceptions, if you have a bias, those fit your narrative
00:56and those kind of lead you astray.
00:58For me, it's always about building towards the ultimate goal,
01:03which is, for me, Jacksonville.
01:04So are they doing things that we don't even know?
01:07Are they getting into the right run play?
01:09How is their footwork?
01:09Do they understand where their checkdowns are?
01:11How are they in meetings, films?
01:13There's a lot that goes into it that we won't even see.
01:16But it's that unbiased.
01:18Going in with taking the whole picture.
01:20Don't look at a play that fits your narrative.
01:22And look at everything involved.
01:24Because, again, over a course of two hours, you're going to have those highs and lows.
01:29And you're looking for something to fit what you want.
01:31And that's a hard thing to do as a coach.
01:33Just look at it through a perspective of,
01:35I've got to find the guy that helps me win the most week one.
01:39You know, it's so interesting seeing the over-analysis of clips online from,
01:45you know, whatever workouts the quarterbacks are going through
01:49and some of the stuff we had had from minicamp.
01:51But I've got to ask you because, you know,
01:54you understand that it's not necessarily about working on everything at this time.
02:00Sometimes it's just picking up the mechanics or whatever.
02:03So when you're seeing our two quarterbacks are going to be competing,
02:06what is it that they have to get better at
02:09and what they have to try to stress with their personal quarterback coaches
02:12and then eventually with the teams?
02:14Well, if you start with Deshaun as the older guy,
02:17he's got to make sure that he is doing everything right off the field.
02:21Because for him, it's been about health.
02:23So he's got to do everything right now in terms of his rehab,
02:26making sure that he's in great shape.
02:28A lot of injuries happen when you're struggling with your fitness.
02:32So making sure that his fitness level is at the highest,
02:35which I thought it was when, you know, seeing him during the summer.
02:38So for him, it's a lot about just being able to be fit and being available.
02:44I've said it before and I'll say it again.
02:45The ball is still jumping off his hand.
02:48I've seen no regression in that.
02:50His feet look really, really good.
02:51So I was very impressed with that fitness-wise.
02:54So he's got to make sure the off-the-field stuff.
02:56In terms of Shador, I think he's got to continue to work on his footwork.
03:01And his footwork, people say, well, what do you have to do with footwork?
03:03You'll see all the drills.
03:05For me, footwork always ties into, do you understand what you're seeing?
03:08And the more that he understands what he sees from a defense,
03:11the feet match the eyes.
03:13And when the feet match the eyes,
03:14that tells you that a quarterback knows where his progressions are based on the
03:18coverage and can he get to his check down.
03:20But if you don't know that your feet are late, when you know those things,
03:23your feet become, again, they match.
03:26And they look like your footwork's improved.
03:28So a lot of footwork, people always talk about you've got to drill the footwork.
03:31That just comes down with understanding what he's seeing.
03:33And I thought he's made pretty good progression with that going into his second year.
03:38That'll be his next step.
03:39He's got to make sure that the footwork, the retreating, all that,
03:43that comes from just making sure you understand the offense.
03:45And it's brand new with him, this offense.
03:48And I saw great progress out of that.
03:50I think it's a true quarterback competition going into camp.
03:52Lance Reisland joining us here on the Wise Heart Right.
03:55We make a right call, Kyle Wright Hotline.
03:57What do you believe that Shador does well that we don't talk enough about?
04:02Well, I think for me, I think he attacks the middle of the field,
04:06those chunk plays from 15 to 25 yards.
04:09I think he throws the ball extremely well vertically,
04:12but more importantly, between the hashes, between, you know,
04:15in that 15 to 25 yard range, which is so important in the NFL,
04:19off play action, the high lows on the digs, the under routes,
04:22the bang eight routes on the outside, just the ability to throw the ball,
04:27you know, especially on that first progression,
04:29when he's seeing what he's seeing and he can transfer his weight
04:31from the backside to the front side, I think he throws the dig route,
04:35the curl routes inside.
04:36I think that's what he does very well, which is so important in the NFL,
04:40especially in this Todd Munkin offense, which is trying to find space.
04:43And a lot of times in the NFL, these corners are locked down.
04:46These corners are elite athletes.
04:48So you've got to be able to work the middle of the field.
04:50That's what I think since he's gotten here, he's done a great job of.
04:54Now he's got to continue to work the checkdowns.
04:56He's got to continue to work the outside when you get those free, easy,
04:59you know, off coverage things,
05:01taking those comebacks and hitches and curls and things like that.
05:04But if you talk about in this offense,
05:06if you go back to what Munkin has done with the Ravens,
05:09going back to what he did in Georgia,
05:11Munkin loves to attack the middle of the field.
05:13And that's what Shadorv does at a very, very high level.
05:15He anticipates very well.
05:16He's very accurate and he works in that 15 to 25 yard range,
05:20which is so important to the NFL,
05:22flipping the field and helping your defense.
05:25If you do eventually have to punt on that drive.
05:28Same question to Sean Watson.
05:31You know, for me, the Sean, first and foremost, his athleticism is back.
05:35So when I look at the Sean Watson, his, his footwork and his athleticism,
05:40they look really, really good again.
05:42So what he gives you is he gives you that plus one run game, not the read game.
05:46And we, he can all do that.
05:47But the plus one run game where you're using the,
05:49the tailback as the fullback,
05:50that's vitally important in Munkin's offense,
05:53especially down in the red zone.
05:54And what I think he does extremely well is that he throws the ball with
05:58effortless flick.
05:59If you look at like Aaron Rogers, some guys, you know,
06:02if you look at back at, you know,
06:04different quarterbacks that have to use their entire body,
06:06that lower body torque, the Sean Watson's not like that.
06:10His ball jumps off his hand.
06:11It always has ever since I've watched him.
06:13And I've gotten the opportunity to watch him every since every year,
06:16since he's been here.
06:17So he's got, I think what he does very well is he, first and foremost,
06:20he's got great feet, great athleticism.
06:22So he can beat you with both his feet and his arm.
06:24He throws a great vertical ball.
06:26He throws a very good slant, hitch, fade, those,
06:31those simple, easy gifts on the outside.
06:34But again, for him, he can make all the throws and people say, well,
06:37he hasn't done in six years.
06:39He hasn't,
06:39but what he did six years ago are the things that are his strengths.
06:42He can make all the throws all the time.
06:45It's just, can he stay healthy?
06:46And can he rekindle that?
06:48That's what's great about monkey.
06:49And it doesn't matter what he did before.
06:50So all the tools for him are there.
06:52That's what makes the Sean Watson.
06:54That's why they brought him over in 2020.
06:56Now he hasn't done it a long time, but that doesn't matter to monkey.
06:59It's what he's seeing right now.
07:01So I just think his,
07:02his athleticism and his ability to make all the throws very elite.
07:06And there, that's what he was when he was, you know,
07:10a guy who was in thought of as a top five guy.
07:13So just, can he do it again?
07:15And we shall see very, very soon.
07:17I'm looking forward to it.
07:18Coach Rins with us right now on the hotline.
07:20So when you pour over the analytical numbers,
07:23they're not pretty for Shador,
07:25but you also have to understand that he did not get a typical setup to get
07:31ready for the season.
07:32And then he gets thrown in on a bad football team.
07:34The final seven games of the year.
07:36With that said, are there any of the,
07:40the numbers when it comes to accuracy,
07:42are they alarming to you?
07:45Just the interceptable balls.
07:48You know,
07:48he led the NFL in a lot of these negative traits,
07:51the numbers against zone defense were the worst in the league.
07:54Do any of that alarm you?
07:55Or can you chalk it all up to, Hey,
07:57rookie year thrown into a bad situation?
08:00Well,
08:00I think it tells you football is still a team game and there's a lot that goes
08:03into it.
08:04And I,
08:04and I'm a,
08:05I use analytics when I was coaching,
08:08I always use it as a kind of a help.
08:11And,
08:11you know,
08:11what am I going to do on second and,
08:13you know,
08:13third down based on what the defense does,
08:15but there's also a feel aspect of it.
08:17And when you use analytics,
08:18there's no context involved.
08:20We don't know.
08:21Now,
08:21some of those things are on him.
08:23There's no question about it,
08:24but sometimes they're not always on a quarterback.
08:26And that's for all quarterbacks.
08:28Are you getting a and B gap pressure inside?
08:30Are you it does your receiver run the right route?
08:33Is he able to separate the defense do something different than what they
08:36showed on film and your footwork is late.
08:38There's a lot of things that go into a quarterback being inaccurate.
08:43And now obviously over the course of time,
08:45those things have to improve.
08:46And if they don't improve,
08:47that's what gets these guys out of the league.
08:49But I think you can chalk it up to,
08:51again,
08:51it's a quarterbacks get too much credit.
08:53They get too much blame,
08:54but for all quarterbacks,
08:55the people around you have to be really good.
08:57How's your pass protection?
08:58How's the separation?
08:59Can your tight ends win against linebackers and safeties?
09:02Do you have a true number one outside that can,
09:05you know,
09:05take pressure away because he's going to take the best corner and you know
09:08what else you have.
09:09There's so many context things that matter.
09:12It's like,
09:12why I don't really keep track of or,
09:15or really care about,
09:16you know,
09:17completions during practice.
09:18Cause we don't know the context behind it.
09:19We don't know what they're doing or how they're doing it.
09:22So no,
09:22I think it now,
09:23if it leads into this year,
09:24yeah,
09:25you become a little bit more alarmed.
09:26He's in year two,
09:28but there's a lot more.
09:29They've addressed the offensive line.
09:30They got more weapons.
09:31You should get a more of a true feel on all these quarterbacks.
09:34If they can play at this level,
09:36moving forward.
09:37Coach Lance Reisland joining us here on the wise heart,
09:39right?
09:39We make a right call call right hotline.
09:41Now,
09:41because there's a quarterback battle doesn't seem to be that there were,
09:46because there's a quarterback battle.
09:47It's,
09:47it would seem to be that there would be a lack of leadership out of that
09:51position.
09:52Because if you don't know who's going to play it,
09:54how are you supposed to listen to him?
09:55We know that Carson Swessinger wears the green dot.
09:57We know he's a big part of the future here.
10:00And I wondered if miles Garrett could possibly get in the way of him taking
10:03the reins and being a leader.
10:05Okay.
10:06How much could Jared verse help him do that though?
10:09Well,
10:10you know,
10:10I've always been,
10:11you know,
10:12when people say you got,
10:12but you don't get better losing miles Garrett.
10:14And I,
10:14and,
10:15and as a football coach,
10:16you win with great players as us as coaches,
10:18we get way too much credit.
10:19You win when you have really good players.
10:21So saying,
10:21I think if you just think about in your mind,
10:23Hey,
10:23we lost a really great player,
10:24but we brought in a player that maybe helps everybody else a little bit
10:27because they're young.
10:29So Jared versus a very vocal guy.
10:31That's a couple of days.
10:32I,
10:32you know,
10:32the spring and summer when I've gotten to see him,
10:34he's very,
10:35he loves to coach the guys.
10:37He loves to work with the guys.
10:38He's first in line.
10:39He likes playing football.
10:40That doesn't mean miles Garrett was bad at what he did.
10:43Miles Garrett was a leader that he doesn't,
10:45not everybody likes him.
10:46Miles Garrett has a lot of things,
10:47but what you got out of miles Garrett was sacks.
10:49And if that's what he was there for,
10:50that's what he was there for.
10:51And they always wanted him to do different things and be a vocal leader.
10:55Well,
10:55those come off as phony.
10:56If that's not true,
10:57truly who you are for me,
10:59I was okay with miles being miles,
11:01go play,
11:02make plays.
11:04If I'm going to ask him to do something that he is incapable of doing,
11:08you're going to be disappointed.
11:09That's why I always just thought miles a great player.
11:11That's his leadership.
11:12Go be the best player.
11:13Now,
11:13Jerry Burst comes in.
11:14He's much more,
11:15you know,
11:16perceived team guy from the outside.
11:18And that's what he is.
11:18He's vocal.
11:20Now Carson Schwestern becomes the focus of the,
11:22of the offensive coordinators in this league.
11:24It's not miles Garrett anymore because you went into every game.
11:27Your worst player on offense was left tackle.
11:30It didn't matter who the left tackle was.
11:31That's who you had to help.
11:32That makes your life a lot easier for the rest of the defense.
11:35So I think Jared Burst,
11:37the rest of this defensive line,
11:39they're going to help Carson Schwestern because this becomes a unit.
11:42Now this becomes a unit where whoever the weakest offensive lineman is going to
11:46get the help,
11:47whoever the weakest corner is,
11:49is going to get the help because they don't have to worry about miles Garrett.
11:52Now,
11:52Jared Burst is an all pro miles Garrett is a hall of famer,
11:55most likely.
11:56So that's where you're kind of,
11:57that's that's,
11:58I think they'll help.
11:59Jared Burst will help with that.
12:00But I also think Carson Schwestern can do those things on his own.
12:04I actually think having Quincy Williams take some of that leadership role away from him,
12:08which is going to help him as well.
12:10So he can focus on playing a little bit more,
12:12which he doesn't have to do all the leadership stuff on defense.
12:14All right.
12:15Everybody seems to be wanting to make predictions,
12:18crazy predictions way too early,
12:20but they're fun sometimes.
12:21And then we can run with it,
12:23aggregate it,
12:23and then blow it up.
12:24You know,
12:25that's going viral.
12:25That's what the kids say,
12:26coach Riz.
12:27So I'll give you an opportunity here.
12:30Who,
12:30and you can include Harold Fannin in this as well,
12:33who will end up with the most production of all the past catchers on the Browns this year?
12:39Well,
12:40that's a great question.
12:40So I'm going to go with,
12:41I'm going to go with a,
12:42hear me out here.
12:43I'm going to go with Casey Concepcion,
12:45and here's why I think the Browns have balanced on offense now.
12:49And when you have balanced on offense,
12:50that means you're going to get true looks from the defense.
12:52You're going to see how many safeties right now,
12:54the offense,
12:55when you were throwing the ball,
12:56you had to stop Harold Fannin.
12:57That was kind of it.
12:58Jerry Judy struggled last year.
12:59Now,
13:00I think with the balance addressing the offensive line,
13:03Judkins looking extremely healthy.
13:05I think Boston gives you that vertical threat,
13:07but when you have a vertical threat along with Fannin and things like that,
13:10you have to run the ball.
13:12Well,
13:12you have to have great pass protection.
13:13You have to have a great throws from a quarterback sometimes to get the ball
13:17vertically down the field.
13:18I think Casey Concepcion,
13:20Isaiah Bond will be the two guys when you talk strictly numbers,
13:23maybe not always impact,
13:24but they're the guys that not everybody else has to be right on an offense.
13:28Those are my favorite type of guys.
13:30So if your left tackle messes up or somebody runs the wrong route,
13:33it doesn't matter with a guy like Casey Concepcion.
13:35All you got to do is get the ball to him in space,
13:37an under route,
13:38a quick hitch inside from the slot,
13:41you know,
13:41whatever it may be option routes,
13:44RPOs,
13:44whatever you got to do to find him touches.
13:46So if you ask who's going to,
13:48you know,
13:48it doesn't mean the most impact,
13:49but if you say numbers,
13:50I'm going to be,
13:51I'm going to go out on a limb here.
13:52I'm going to say Casey Concepcion has the most numbers just because those guys are easy to get the ball
13:57to.
13:58And he'll produce because not everybody else has to be right on the offense.
14:01Coach,
14:01we thank you very much for the time.
14:03You know,
14:03we appreciate it.
14:04And we look forward to having you again real soon.
14:07Absolutely.
14:07Thanks for having me guys.
14:08Have a great Monday and we'll talk soon.
14:09Yes,
14:10indeed.
14:10Coach Riz,
14:11Lance Rislin.
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