00:00This offensive depth chart is sad, okay?
00:05It really is.
00:07So does it lead you to believe then with the sixth pick
00:10in the 2026 NFL draft,
00:14the Cleveland Browns select,
00:17Cardinal Tate, wide receiver, Ohio State Buckeyes,
00:21they need a playmaker.
00:23Well, assuming he's there, and God, I hope so,
00:26because if I have to watch that wide receiver core this year,
00:33yeah, Todd Munkin might not be back in 2027.
00:38If that's what he has to work with,
00:40if that's what you're giving him to work with.
00:42All right, but to be fair to Todd and to be fair to Andrew.
00:45You're not understanding the point.
00:46We just heard from Jarvis Landry.
00:48Who did Kevin Stefanski develop?
00:51Cedric Tillman has been here for three years.
00:53He's had zero development, zero.
00:56Jamari Thrash was one of these guys.
00:58Guys, Daryl, his RAS score,
01:00like the relative athletic score that they look at for these players,
01:04Jamari Thrash had comparisons to prime Antonio Brown.
01:09Where's that been in Cleveland?
01:12I don't think Stefanski knew how to make these offensive players work,
01:17because if it wasn't in his system,
01:19if it wasn't rhythm or timing,
01:21they were just the odd men out.
01:24And I think Barry stacked a couple of dudes that had athletic profiles coming out of college
01:30that Kevin Stefanski just never put any attention into developing whatsoever.
01:35So maybe Tillman under Munkin could at least be an average NFL wide receiver.
01:41Same for Thrash,
01:42because I think we know that from a sheer talent perspective,
01:45these guys probably aren't needle movers.
01:47They don't jump off the page.
01:49But that's why you've got nine draft picks in April,
01:51to repair some of this barren offense.
01:55And to their credit,
01:57they have gotten better this offseason.
02:01Marginally.
02:03KT Leveston isn't your starting left tackle.
02:07Well, he is right now,
02:08because they don't have a starting left tackle.
02:10I think it would probably be DeJuan, right?
02:12No, by the end of April,
02:13they'll have their starting left tackle.
02:14Although, that's coming in round one of the draft.
02:18For sure.
02:18Okay.
02:19My point is,
02:21you've gotten better center.
02:23You've gotten better right tackle.
02:25Jack Cochran had an unlimited PTO package,
02:28and he used it.
02:29Here's the point that I'm trying to make.
02:31This isn't about Todd Munkin.
02:33Okay.
02:34And this really isn't about Kevin Stefanski.
02:37This is about the GM.
02:39Okay.
02:41He's done a really good job on the defensive side of the ball.
02:45He needs to get it together on the offensive side of the ball.
02:48You can't be taking...
02:50Isaiah Bond is a stab in the dark.
02:52What did the Ravens have?
02:53So, the Ravens had an MVP quarterback in Lamar.
02:55Yeah.
02:56But let's look at Baltimore's skill position.
02:58Who, by the way, made everyone...
02:59Like, you have to have players
03:02that can elevate those around them.
03:04So, Derrick Henry,
03:05everybody had written off for dead and washed,
03:08and was part of the reason Vrabel got fired in Tennessee.
03:11Munkin kind of revived Derrick Henry's career in Baltimore.
03:16They're receivers.
03:18Zay Flowers is an okay...
03:22He's like a...
03:23He's not a top wide receiver one.
03:26You know what's funny?
03:27You were bringing up the relationship thing, right?
03:29Earlier.
03:30And I just thought of this.
03:33What did Todd Munkin say after the Ravens season
03:36about his relationship with Lamar Jackson?
03:38That it wasn't as strong as he wanted it to be.
03:40Oh, yeah.
03:40So, please, tell me all about that relationship building.
03:42Because everybody else...
03:45I feel like that has more to do with Lamar
03:48than it does with Todd.
03:49Because everybody else that you talk to that's coached Todd...
03:52I talked to Oscar Delp,
03:53who the Browns had in for a top 30 visit
03:55when I was in Indianapolis.
03:57The talented receiver out of Georgia
04:00that's gotten some Brock Bowers comparisons.
04:02He wants to come to Cleveland.
04:04He wants to be drafted by the Browns
04:06to reunite with Todd Munkin,
04:08who was his OC for a season.
04:10That's how strong of a bond that they built together
04:13in college football in one year.
04:15This dude wants to put his pro career on the line
04:17to come to Cleveland
04:18to be Harold Fannin Jr.'s backup
04:21to work with Todd Munkin.
04:23Because they created that close relationship
04:25during Munk's one-season coaching Oscar Delp.
04:29So, everybody else that you talk to
04:30outside of Lamar Jackson
04:31seems to have decent relationships with Todd.
04:34I was being a little facetious,
04:35but I do feel like that's part of the...
04:38And it's also part of, I think,
04:39what Todd learned
04:41from the experience in Baltimore.
04:44Todd's a fine coach.
04:46I have no issue with Todd Munkin, okay?
04:48I just am very realistic
04:50looking at this roster
04:51and the current state of it
04:53to just have no expectations whatsoever.
04:56And again, we're sitting here.
04:58We've spent this offseason
05:02throwing as much stuff against the wall.
05:04We got show-on-show crime happening here.
05:08It's bad.
05:08It's bad.
05:09The show-on-show violence.
05:11We need to put a stop.
05:12You know, just debating.
05:14All these...
05:15Like, every quarterback that comes up,
05:17we're just looking at,
05:18oh, could he be the savior?
05:19We're going to have a J.J. McCarthy week.
05:22That's my prediction.
05:23This coming week might be J.J. McCarthy week.
05:25No, no, it's not.
05:26And I'm going to tell you why.
05:28I got one name, Justin Jefferson.
05:31You got the best of the best,
05:33and you couldn't make it work with that guy.
05:34He sure ain't making it work with Jerry Judy.
05:35I got another name for you.
05:37Ain't making it work with Jamari Thrash.
05:39Jordan Addison, who's also probably...
05:42Jordan Addison is...
05:44Are we willing to say Jordan Addison's
05:45better than Jerry Judy?
05:46They are going to...
05:48There is a real possibility
05:50they are going to subject us
05:52to Deshaun Watson this year.
05:54I don't buy that for a moment, by the way.
05:56Listen, I hope it's all smoke and mirrors.
05:58I think it is.
05:59I am starting to light church candles.
06:02Easter's coming up, okay?
06:05Like, I...
06:07But, I mean...
06:10I don't think, Daryl, there's not a snowball's chance
06:12in you know where.
06:13No, I disagree.
06:14I think there's a real possibility.
06:16Because it's going to be...
06:17Because there's...
06:18No, here's the thing.
06:19Deshaun...
06:20Deshaun looks great in the Instagram videos, right?
06:23He looks healthy.
06:24He looks mobile and agile.
06:25And he looks like he's got all those things back, right?
06:29He's got the physical toolbox back, right?
06:34But that's on the ground.
06:36Right.
06:36He's going to look good in practice.
06:38I'm already conceding the high ground on that.
06:42I know that we're going to go to practice this spring
06:44and into the summer
06:46and even in training camp.
06:48And he's probably going to throw the best football
06:52of all the quarterbacks.
06:53He's going to look good.
06:55And everyone's going to say,
06:57Ah, he's going to be the guy.
06:59And this is the comeback, the redemption, whatever.
07:05And then we're going to get to the regular season
07:07with Deshaun starting.
07:09And let me tell you a story about what's going to happen.
07:13It's the same thing that happened
07:15after the 11-game suspension.
07:17It's going to be the same thing that happened
07:19when he came back from the broken shoulder.
07:20And that's why they're not going to waste their time with it.
07:23That's why I truly don't believe
07:25that they're going to waste their time.
07:26Oh, no.
07:26I think they are.
07:27Because you've got...
07:28This is an organization that lives on data points.
07:31They talk about data points ad nauseum.
07:34This is an organization that does nothing but waste our time.
07:38You've got data points, though,
07:40that prove to you that Deshaun Watson's a waste of time.
07:43You've also got a cap sheet
07:45that tells you that you could cut Deshaun Watson
07:49and finally be done with this entire nightmare.
07:54But that's a year from now.
07:55June 1st, 2027.
07:56We got another year.
07:58We got one more.
07:59We got 12 more months.
08:00But this is going to be the year of Shador Sanders v. who.
08:04And it's not really Deshaun Watson.
08:06I'm not...
08:07I don't believe that it's Deshaun Watson.
08:10I do.
08:11They are...
08:12When Adam Schefter is...
08:15Yeah, but Schefter's getting fed that from them,
08:18and they want that out there right now.
08:21That Deshaun's a real...
08:23They want you, Darrell, believing that Deshaun has a chance.
08:26That's the point.
08:27The fact that they're even saying it.
08:31That's the point, Nick.
08:32You're worried about nothing.
08:33I'm not even worried.
08:34Last week, I was worried about it,
08:36and I was in here, and I was saying,
08:37I can't do it.
08:38I can't do it.
08:39I'm not worried about it.
08:42I'm not worried about the Cleveland Browns.
08:44Okay?
08:46I'm not.
08:48I'm not investing that type of energy in that franchise
08:52to where, oh, I'm worried about them.
08:55No, I'm not.
08:56They're predictable.
08:58I know what they are.
08:59I know what they're going to be.
09:01Okay?
09:02And yes, it would be very Cleveland Browns-ian of them
09:06to try and sell us on Deshaun this year.
09:10To try and just see if they can get a little blood from that rock
09:13that they will have paid $230 million to.
09:18Okay?
09:20Shadour, and this is why, again, I think it is a real possibility.
09:25Because I don't expect that Shadour is going to look like the best quarterback.
09:29I expect, in practice and all that.
09:31He did know last year.
09:32Hang on.
09:32I expect that Shadour is going to look vastly improved.
09:35I expect that he's going to make some sensational plays in practice.
09:39And he's going to intrigue us all.
09:43Right?
09:44I expect that there's going to be growth in his game.
09:49Okay?
09:53All that being said, I still believe that they're –
10:01I don't think – you think it's smoke and mirrors.
10:04I don't think it's –
10:06I don't think it's –
10:06I can't.
10:07Because there's too much –
10:09I want to be wrong about this, but I can't.
10:11If they're a data-driven organization, they're obsessed with their data.
10:14And they've got so much data from a –
10:16Forget about football for a second.
10:19From a pure mathematics and scientific perspective,
10:23if you'll forget about football –
10:26Is there like an equation where you factor in like, okay,
10:2919 games played in six years plus shoulder injury.
10:32Yeah, that's Y equals MX plus B.
10:34Plus two torn Achilles plus two missed full seasons.
10:40In this plot, like, is there like a touchdown to interceptor injury?
10:43Yeah, yeah, there's a big equation.
10:45And look, I failed algebra one.
10:47I had to transfer high schools.
10:48I did.
10:49By the way, that is the least surprising thing you've ever said on this show.
10:52You know what I did?
10:52You know what I did?
10:53And statute of limitations have gone by.
10:55I had to do online summer school.
10:57I gave my uncle, who's like a math whiz, the password.
11:00And I said, knock yourself out, Uncle David.
11:02Shout out.
11:04And that's what passed me through the night.
11:05Shout out your math teacher.
11:06Okay.
11:06But anyhow.
11:08Probably should have held you back, by the way.
11:10Should have done the world a favor and held you back.
11:13Oh, I was held back.
11:14I had to do the online summer school thing to move on.
11:18I still would have held you back even further.
11:21They've got an equation.
11:22I would have made you do the whole year all over again.
11:24They're obsessed with data points.
11:26I know.
11:27Listen.
11:27They've got so much data that shows you that this guy ain't it.
11:32And they've got even more data on their dollars and cents cap sheet that tells you we could finally be
11:38done with this.
11:39We could finally be all the way done with this.
11:40We're 17 games away from reaching the finish line on this debacle.
11:46Don't threaten me with a good time.
11:48We're 17 games away from washing our hands and pretending as if this never happened.
11:53So that's why you go with Shador Sanders this year.
11:56You let him compete with whatever mid-round quarterback that they're going to draft.
12:00They're going to draft either Drew Aller or Carson Beck.
12:02And that'll be the real room.
12:05It'll be Shador v. Beck.
12:06Shador v. Aller.
12:08They'll see if they've got anything with that collective.
12:11And then you're on to 2027.
12:13That's the look of it now.
12:14Maybe you trade for J.J. McCarthy.
12:15Maybe you trade for Anthony Richardson.
12:17And you let that be the competition with Shador.
12:20I think it's easy to just say publicly Deshaun's got a chance.
12:25Because then Deshaun himself believes, oh, I've got a chance.
12:28I'm going to sign up for this.
12:30I'm not going to go to the NFLPA and cause this whole nightmare situation.
12:34Because they're paying me 25% of their cap sheet to be here.
12:38So I might as well be compliant.
12:40The Browns are going to be compliant by telling them, hey, you got a chance.
12:43It's an open competition.
12:44But at the end of the day, they said they want to get younger.
12:47They're going to go with the young quarterback.
12:48And that's Shador Sanders.
12:50I know.
12:50I know what the Browns.
12:52But first of all, I hope you're right.
12:53I hope I'm right, too.
12:55I mean, I do.
12:57It's just I don't trust them.
12:58I just I the Browns have lost my trust.
13:02They have to earn it back.
13:04Okay.
13:05Is this a step towards earning that trust back?
13:08If they if they go with someone not named Deshaun, if they go with Deshaun, I'm done.
13:13Me, too.
13:14Me, too.
13:15I am absolutely done if they go with Deshaun.
13:19Like, I will be so done with them.
