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00:00Can I, I want to throw something by you.
00:01I caught you yesterday on the internet.
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00:07And you were kind of having a back and forth with people
00:09about completion percentages and QBR.
00:13Why are we still trying to change each other's minds
00:15on July 14th, guys?
00:17Can we just go back to our corners?
00:21There's this, first off, I don't understand
00:24why we need to compare Dylan Gabriel to Shredor Sanders.
00:27There's no comparison.
00:28And congratulations to Dylan Gabriel for getting married.
00:31I'm sure him and his now new wife
00:36are not going to be here very long.
00:38But the whole fight that's going on,
00:42like, I know I'm kind of just sitting here going,
00:44well, we're all, we've done the LeBron
00:46and that's about all the LeBron we can do.
00:50But damn, why are we trying to change each other's mind
00:53on July 14th?
00:54I want to know, honestly,
00:55the guys who have had the Shredor fights
00:57for the last year.
01:00Has there ever been anybody who said,
01:02you know what, you're right,
01:04you've changed my mind on Shredor Sanders.
01:06Has there anybody who's had the fight
01:09about Shredor Sanders and Deshaun Watson
01:11over the last six months?
01:14Has anybody,
01:17real life or online told you,
01:20you know what, you've changed my mind.
01:23You're right.
01:24It's July 14th.
01:26Why are we still fighting?
01:27Can we just get to training camp and go,
01:29okay, now you guys are here at training camp.
01:31Let's see how you guys do.
01:32Yeah, that's the great part of this is that
01:34it doesn't matter whether or not,
01:37you know, you're changing your opinion.
01:39They're going to compete.
01:40They're going to compete come training camp.
01:41You've got a new head coach,
01:42so none of that previous bias is going to enter into it.
01:45All the stuff that people levied against Kevin Stavansky,
01:48that's gone.
01:49So now the best man win.
01:51Let's see.
01:51You brought this up with me last week
01:53with the videos of them working out.
01:55And I go, well, this is nothing new.
01:56No, I think that maybe Shredor has some fans
01:59that aren't football fans.
02:00Maybe they just like Shredor.
02:02I mean, he does cross over from not just football,
02:04but I think also pop culture.
02:05I think that they might not understand
02:07that guys work out.
02:08Every quarterback is supposed to work out
02:10during the six weeks off that you get
02:11between minicamp and in between.
02:14Well, I think a lot of teams,
02:15I think a lot of guys film it.
02:16We just don't pay attention to it.
02:17More and more they do it.
02:18I'm sure there is clips of Patrick Mahomes
02:20getting us working out there.
02:21I just assume he is,
02:22just like I assume any quarterback is.
02:24Yeah, it's every day.
02:25I will say it is every day
02:27with these two quarterbacks.
02:27They do absolutely put out their stuff every day.
02:31But I've got to the point here,
02:32and I've told you this last week,
02:34and I got to tell you again,
02:36I'm reaching a level here
02:38where I almost look forward
02:40to one of the dumbest things I've ever seen,
02:42which is the completion percentages during camp.
02:44I'm sorry, guys.
02:45You use this stuff during arguments.
02:46I go, we're not going to have an argument here.
02:48This doesn't work for me.
02:49But I'd least rather have that
02:50because they're actually in practice,
02:52practicing and doing things
02:53than us trying to start fights with each other
02:57in the middle of July
02:58during the All-Star break
03:00over two quarterbacks
03:01that are really the open competition
03:03and the only open competition,
03:05it seems, in the NFL
03:06and also two quarterbacks
03:08that by and large right now
03:09are not out of the woods
03:10when it comes to their careers
03:11and not out of the woods
03:12when it comes to getting the job
03:13and holding on to the job past 2026.
03:17So why are we starting
03:18to have these arguments with each other?
03:20Are we just bored?
03:21And so we have to start fights
03:22over quarterbacks every single day?
03:24What on earth can I say right now?
03:26Like, I like Shador a bunch.
03:29Guilty as charged.
03:31I still have my,
03:32I don't think he's going to be
03:33the future quarterback
03:34of the Cleveland Browns
03:35by everything that I hear from the team,
03:37by everything that I see.
03:38I want it to happen.
03:40I think they want it to happen,
03:41but I think that they're getting themselves ready
03:43for 2027
03:44with everything that they've done.
03:46I want it to work out for Shador,
03:48but I'm going, guys,
03:48why are we not having
03:51knockdown drag outs here
03:52between him and Deshaun Watson
03:54or anything?
03:55Like, what?
03:55Well, there's clearly.
03:56Why?
03:57Why put ourselves through it?
03:58There's clearly an insecurity there.
04:00In July.
04:00From their super fans, right?
04:03Like, they will not allow anybody
04:05to say that he actually wasn't
04:06good at all last year.
04:08Because the minute.
04:08We had good moments,
04:09but I can't deny any of the other stuff.
04:12Believe it or not,
04:12Dylan Gabriel had a few good moments.
04:14Yeah, Shador had more good moments.
04:16He also had less good moments
04:17than Jackson Dart,
04:18less good moments than Tyler Shook.
04:19Like, it's just okay to admit it.
04:22I'm glad you brought up Jackson Dart.
04:23But we just refused to admit it.
04:25I'm glad you brought up Jackson Dart
04:26because I'll tell you this.
04:26Like, Tyler Shook and Jackson Dart,
04:28neither were on any of these lists
04:30when it comes to the executives
04:31and coaches and stuff from ESPN.
04:33Like, you did have Bo Nix get votes.
04:37You didn't get anything from Jackson Dart.
04:39So I say this,
04:40and I'm sure some people got mad
04:41about what I just said about Shador.
04:43And what I have to admit
04:44is what I think is his future
04:46with the Browns because of what
04:47the Browns have done.
04:49Hope and believe for two different things.
04:53But you're still asking these questions
04:55about Jackson Dart and Tyler Shook.
04:57So it doesn't seem like anybody's
04:58overwhelmingly thrilled
04:59with what a lot of rookies did last year.
05:02So we're getting ready for 2027.
05:04I think the Giants fans are pretty thrilled
05:05about Jackson Dart.
05:06But I'm talking about executives
05:07and coaches and scouts in the league
05:09when I go back to that list
05:11where these guys are left out.
05:14So I, hey, Giants,
05:15I'm sure Giants fans and Saints fans
05:17are excited for the guys.
05:18I'm trying to look at what's real.
05:20Shador fans are excited.
05:21That Drake May wasn't left out, right?
05:22I don't remember off the tippy top.
05:24I'm sure he wasn't.
05:25But what I'm bringing out here, Tone,
05:27is that fans can be as excited as they want.
05:29Shador fans are excited,
05:30but what are the Browns doing?
05:32Giants fans are excited.
05:33All right, the Giants are going to,
05:34because he's a first round pick,
05:35they're going to try to invest in him
05:36and see if they can prove
05:37some of the executives wrong.
05:38Probably same thing with Tyler Shook,
05:40even though he's a second round pick.
05:41But I don't know if any of the guys
05:42are actually through the woods just yet.
05:44No, no, they're not.
05:45I just sit there and I wonder,
05:46like, why are we...
05:47But the difference is, like,
05:49Shador and, you know, Deshaun,
05:52but we're not really talking about Watson
05:53for the sake of this discussion.
05:55Shador is fighting for his NFL life right now.
05:58I think both are.
05:59Like, what do you mean?
06:00Him and...
06:01Him and Deshaun Watson, right?
06:02Yeah, I'm just not...
06:02I'm talking about the rookies.
06:04I'm talking about the second-year guys.
06:05Yeah, okay.
06:06Like, Shador is...
06:08He was not a first-round pick,
06:09and this is why you have to bring up
06:10he was a fifth-round pick.
06:11First-round picks get more leeway
06:13than just, you know,
06:15seven starts one year
06:16and then however many starts
06:17he gets this year.
06:18Fifth-round picks do not.
06:19They just may never get a shot again.
06:21That's just kind of how the league works.
06:23Or maybe they're backups,
06:25and then maybe they get fortunate
06:26that there are some injuries ahead of them
06:28and they make their way.
06:30But, like, that's why...
06:31I don't think he's going to have
06:32a better opportunity
06:32than what he has right now.
06:34What's that?
06:34I don't think Shador's going to have
06:35a better opportunity to start
06:36than what he has right now.
06:38Already as a fifth-round pick
06:39to get seven starts is amazing.
06:40That is good.
06:41Even if it wasn't good circumstances
06:43to get there,
06:44we all agree.
06:45Save the argument about the four-string
06:47and all that.
06:48We get it.
06:48He was also a fifth-round pick.
06:50Fifth-round picks start behind the eight ball
06:52almost 99% of the time.
06:54But my whole issue, again, is
06:56has anybody actually changed
06:58in anybody's mind in July?
06:59No.
07:00So why are we having these fights
07:02in July with each other
07:03where it's like,
07:04hey, we're so close to camp,
07:05they're about to go out there
07:06and prove it to us anyway.
07:08in camp, we're going to have
07:09the same fights.
07:10And what's funny is,
07:11the most important thing,
07:13like, they've seen the quarterbacks
07:17complete passes to the wide receivers
07:19and they've seen the wow plays
07:21and the scrambles.
07:22The stuff that probably is more important
07:25than any of it
07:26is stuff we're not privy to,
07:27which is,
07:28how are these guys in the meeting rooms?
07:30How are these guys on the installs?
07:33How are they with the terminology?
07:35That stuff, we're never,
07:36and they're going to lie to us.
07:37They'll never say,
07:38oh boy, one is way ahead of the other.
07:41Like, oh boy,
07:42one is behind the other
07:43when it comes to just understanding the offense.
07:45They'll never do that.
07:45They're going to throw the players under the bus.
07:47So we're going to be sitting here
07:48glued and slaves to,
07:50and what it's going to do
07:52is the fans are going to attack
07:54the wide receivers
07:55anytime there's a drop,
07:56or we're going to,
07:58we are going to micromanage
08:00every throw.
08:02It's going to be under the microscope.
08:03Oh, did he throw that a little behind him?
08:05Did he,
08:05like Todd Munkin knows
08:08that that's all part of football.
08:10What matters probably more to Todd Munkin is,
08:13can they actually have faith
08:16in a quarterback to line up week one
08:19more than the other quarterback?
08:21That's so much more than
08:22making the flash play down the field.
08:25Like, yeah, you have to demonstrate that.
08:26Deshaun Watson's made,
08:28you know,
08:29so many flash plays in his career.
08:30Todd Munkin knows he can do that.
08:32And Shador made some flash plays last year.
08:35Maybe you'd argue he made more flash plays
08:37than Tyler Shook.
08:38Not more than Jackson Dart.
08:39Jackson Dart,
08:40you know,
08:40put on quite an amazing highlight reel.
08:43But either way,
08:44Munkin knows these guys can do those things.
08:47He's an old school coach.
08:48What do you think Todd Munkin's looking for?
08:50Can I,
08:51Not the things you were just talking about.
08:52Can I trust that on third and eight,
08:56if it's not there,
08:57you just throw the ball into the ground.
08:59And instead of taking the 15-yard sack,
09:01that takes us out of field goal range.
09:02Well, I think it's even more important
09:03on second and four,
09:04but I get what you're pointing out there.
09:05Like, I don't,
09:06you can't turn,
09:06with last year's offense,
09:08if you took a bad sack,
09:08and Shador got himself in a couple of bad sacks.
09:11He took some of the worst sacks.
09:13And by the way,
09:14Deshaun Watson does too.
09:15At least some of his ill-advised throws last year
09:18were, you know,
09:19beyond the line of scrimmage,
09:20not what Deshaun did a couple of years ago.
09:22Like,
09:22I don't want to start getting in name-calling fights
09:25over guys where they just told you,
09:27and I hope,
09:28I hope we have a pleasant surprise with,
09:30with Shador.
09:31I don't have any faith in,
09:33in Deshaun Watson.
09:34We've discussed that many times.
09:35But when they,
09:36when they did what they've done this off-season,
09:38I think they tell everybody
09:39that they're getting ready for 2027,
09:41and that if somebody comes out
09:42on the,
09:43on the,
09:43on the right side of things,
09:45and they take over the job,
09:46great,
09:47we can use that for something else.
09:48But when they do that,
09:49I just don't understand why we're cussing each other out
09:51in July over quarterbacks.
09:53In July.
09:55Over a quarterback competition
09:56where you still are looking forward to 2027.
09:59I'll tell you why.
10:00It's not about who's going to be our franchise QB.
10:01I told you why.
10:02The plans are there.
10:03They're insecure.
10:04They think,
10:05they think they have to defend their guy.
10:07Because they think this matters,
10:09and it doesn't.
10:10It does.
10:10None of that matters.
10:11They think it matters.
10:12They think that if you ever say
10:14the following sentence,
10:16Shador Sanders was bad
10:18at quarterback last year,
10:19that we don't know the circumstances behind it.
10:22We don't have to say it every time.
10:23Well,
10:23you have to explain it every time,
10:25apparently.
10:25No, we don't.
10:25That's the thing.
10:27We all understand
10:28the,
10:29the setup for the terrible Browns football team
10:31that led to the coach getting fired.
10:33Yes.
10:33We all understand it.
10:34And,
10:35which also leads everybody to think
10:37they're drafting a quarterback next year.
10:38We all know it.
10:39So are they upset that you don't qualify it?
10:41Yes,
10:41every time.
10:42All right.
10:42You're leaving out the context.
10:44You're leaving,
10:44you're moving the goalposts.
10:46You're leaving out the context.
10:46But you said that three months ago.
10:49So again,
10:50what the F has changed
10:51in the last three months
10:53that would change any of this?
10:54That would change any of this?
10:54We can't keep going in a circle like this, guys.
10:56We're going to end up losing our minds.
10:58The Shador fans' insecurity
10:59has not changed
11:00and it will be unwavering.
11:01It will be relentless.
11:03They will continue to come.
11:04And if he,
11:04if he washes out here
11:06or doesn't win the job,
11:07they'll want him traded or cut.
11:08They will want him anywhere but Cleveland
11:10because they will say he was wronged here.
11:11Even though it's a fifth round pick,
11:13he got seven starts this year.
11:14If he changes that, then fine.
11:15That's fine if he does that.
11:16See,
11:17now you're raising my pulse again
11:18on the whole thing
11:19that I was fighting against
11:20where I don't want to sit there
11:21and have these arguments
11:22on July 14th.
11:23Again,
11:24whose,
11:25whose mind has been changed
11:27over the last,
11:28how many months?
11:28Really for the last year
11:29because there's really been
11:30no minds being changed.
11:32If you love Shador day one,
11:33you didn't fall off the wagon
11:35over the last year.
11:36If you hated Shador day one,
11:37I don't know many people
11:39who have come across the aisle
11:40other than they hate
11:41Deshaun Watson more.
11:42That's it.
11:43I like Shador Sanders.
11:44I like him mostly
11:45because of his father.
11:47We love his father.
11:48Is that not fair to say for me?
11:49We love his father.
11:49So I,
11:50yeah,
11:50I would love for him
11:51so I don't have to sit here.
11:52I would love to set
11:53my quarterback sheet on fire
11:55for 2027,
11:56but I know I can't do that right now.
11:58So what is the point
11:59of starting fights
12:00with each other on July 14th?
12:01To make yourself feel better.
12:03That is my,
12:03about what?
12:04What am I going to feel better about?
12:06About the quarterback
12:06that you don't know
12:07what kind of career he's going to have.
12:08But I cannot tell you things
12:09that I find to be untrue
12:11and start to make up
12:12half-truths
12:12just to make myself feel better.
12:14That's not what
12:15we're supposed to be about.
12:16Okay?
12:16There's been a lot
12:17of inconvenient truths
12:18that we've had to share
12:19with each other here
12:19over the last years.
12:21And I've tried to bring you
12:22along my side of the aisle.
12:23You've tried to do
12:24the same thing.
12:25But I think at some point
12:25you have to see,
12:26hey, you know what?
12:27We just got to get to camp
12:28and let the chips fall
12:29where they may.
12:29And if Sean Watson
12:30goes out there
12:31and looks like the other fool
12:32that he's looked like
12:33over the last four years,
12:34none of us are going
12:35to be surprised.
12:36If Shador Sanders
12:37goes out there
12:38and he plays decently
12:39and he's able
12:39to take the job,
12:40I think a lot of us
12:41will be happy and hopeful.
12:42Happy and hopeful
12:43is half the battle
12:44when it comes to this team
12:45when you're going
12:46into a year
12:47where you've already
12:47traded your greatest player
12:49ever on defense
12:50for a first-round pick.
12:52And we're sitting over here
12:53having online fights
12:55and cussing each other
12:56out on phones
12:56and on the air
12:57in July?
13:00Over this quarterback room?
13:03Really?
13:04You know where
13:04they don't do that?
13:06Rooms with good quarterbacks.
13:07Like, you got to understand.
13:08They don't sit there
13:09and dwell on this stuff
13:10every day.
13:10I've opened up
13:11cuss out of,
13:12guys, make it worth your while.
13:14Make it worth,
13:15and I understand
13:16that there's Browns fans
13:17that might not be talking
13:18to Browns fans.
13:19They might be talking
13:19to Shador first fans
13:21or if there are any anymore,
13:23Deshaun first fans.
13:25But like,
13:26when we got cuss out emails,
13:28and even threats
13:30to some level
13:31when it comes to
13:32T.J. Watt and Miles Garrett,
13:34we're talking about
13:34two Hall of Famers.
13:36At least in the sports parlance,
13:38it's kind of worth it.
13:40This,
13:42July,
13:44Lord,
13:46there's other things
13:47to get in arguments about.
13:48And here,
13:49you got me raised up
13:50and angry
13:50saying the same stuff
13:51you've been saying
13:52for a year.
13:53And I'd love to argue on it,
13:55but nothing has happened.
13:57And when it comes
13:58to the videos,
13:58it's not a campaign.
14:00It's not politics.
14:02One guy makes the decision.
14:03This is a dictatorship.
14:05You might as well
14:06call it Todd Monk and Putin
14:07because he's the one
14:08making the decision.
14:09And we could sit there
14:10and argue and bicker
14:11and have our little online
14:13polls and things like that.
14:14Ain't nothing gonna matter.
14:16One guy makes the choice.
14:17And you know what?
14:18I actually hope
14:18he makes the choice
14:19because if anybody else does,
14:20then I have to question
14:21the integrity of the choice.
14:22a lot of advice.
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