00:00So, Daryl, why are you out on Brendan Sorsby?
00:03I think it's pretty self-explanatory.
00:05The one thing you never do is gamble on your own team, and he's done that.
00:10And then you got the agent putting out recently that, well, Indiana was well aware of his activities.
00:16Like, oh, okay, well, what difference does that make?
00:19So, no, I think it is a risk that the Browns cannot afford to take under any circumstances.
00:27But Andrew Barry's the patron saint of second chances in the NFL,
00:32and nobody's more willing to look the other way when it comes to off-the-field indiscretion, quite like Andrew
00:40Barry.
00:40So, I think the Browns are absolutely in on him.
00:43I think that they're rushing to get as much background and homework done on him as quickly as possible.
00:53And my expectation is they're going to put him in on it.
00:56Now, whether that's a winning bid or if they're just going to put a bid just for the sake of
01:02doing it
01:02and trying to get him cheap as far as the draft compensation goes remains to be seen.
01:08But I do think the Browns will ultimately be interested in him.
01:13Daryl, I think maybe that's my problem.
01:15If an organization is like, how many sexual assault allegations?
01:20All right, go ahead.
01:21Oh, domestic violence, yeah, not a deal-breaker for us.
01:24And then gambling on your own team, it feels like a little bit of moral relativity to me.
01:30And I just, like, I'll take the guy with a gambling addiction, no matter what he's done,
01:35over, oh, any of those other, you know, things with violence and assault in their names.
01:41Well, here's the issue, though.
01:43It's the integrity of the game.
01:44And if you're betting on games that you're participating in, right?
01:48He didn't participate in them.
01:50Well, okay, fine.
01:52But if you've got this addiction or whatever, I mean, look at the Browns' last supplemental draft pick
02:01that had an addiction problem and how that turned out.
02:05And that was substance abuse.
02:06So addiction's a little bit of a different animal other than just making poor judgment
02:13or making an honest mistake or having a bad day.
02:19You know, it is a pattern of behavior for him.
02:24This isn't just a one-off thing.
02:25Oh, I happen to place a bet on my team's game.
02:29This is a pattern of behavior.
02:31He, I guess, is saying addiction is part of this thing, which, again, that's different
02:38than just making a conscious decision.
02:40Addiction is different from, you know, just, oh, okay, I'm going to place a bet on my phone.
02:45And also, too, as we know in the NFL and even in college sports now, the sports gambling is everywhere.
02:53And I did find Andrew Barry's comments to myself and Anthony Lima the other day,
02:59very interesting when he was talking about, hey, you know, second chances
03:02and we need to have more grace in society and got to find out whether or not this is a
03:06good or bad person,
03:08whether this was just a one-off bad decision and all those things.
03:12And I just, my fear is there is a lot more to this than just what is on the surface
03:20of it.
03:21And I just, I don't think they can afford to take that risk.
03:25I mean, could you imagine if the Browns franchise quarterback got suspended or thrown out of the NFL for gambling?
03:33Like, again, I'm old enough to remember, you used to get banned for life.
03:38There are guys that couldn't get into the Hall of Fame because of gambling.
03:41And I understand attitudes, legalization, all those things have changed over the years.
03:47But you can do a lot of, like you alluded to, Nick, you can do a lot of unsavory things
03:53and still be allowed to play in the National Football League.
03:56But that one line that could never be crossed is gambling.
04:01And I just, I am way too reluctant with a franchise that, you know, just can't afford to take those
04:08type of risks.
04:10The Browns just can't.
04:12Why not?
04:13Well, because, number one, it always blows up in their face spectacularly.
04:18That's number one.
04:19History should tell them not to do it.
04:21Number two, you've got a draft class coming up that's chock full of talent.
04:26If your projections going into the 27 draft were that, well, this draft class is the 26 draft class.
04:34There's nothing there to be had.
04:37I think it's a different conversation.
04:39But what Andrew Barry is going to, I think, have to evaluate and do it in rather short order is
04:44whether or not Brendan Sorsby is better than anything that's going to be coming out in 2027.
04:49If his answer to that is yes, from a football standpoint, I think we know what the result's going to
04:54be.
04:55He's going to go get the guy.
04:56But if the answer is no, I mean, then, you know, what are we talking about?
05:03You go ahead and you go for the better talent.
05:06But, again, I just, I am extremely, red flags bother me.
05:11And I know maybe I'm just an old middle-aged guy and whatever.
05:16But I've had enough of the red flags.
05:18I've had enough worrying about whether players are going to be available to the Cleveland Browns to play because of
05:25off-the-field behavior.
05:27So, I'm just completely not interested in Brendan Sorsby.
05:33One iota because that is something with him that I have to worry about.
05:37What do you think the penalty from the NFL will be, if any?
05:39No idea.
05:40But they do have it.
05:42One of the changes they made was they can discipline for pre-NFL behavior in college now.
05:51I don't know what the discipline would be.
05:54But you would think, and, again, I don't know, but just pure speculation here,
06:02you would think that there's going to be some penalty attached to this, you would think,
06:06because then what type of message does that send to the rest of the National Football League?
06:12Because, you know, the NFL still has a pretty strict gambling policy when it comes to their players.
06:20And so, you know, didn't they, wasn't there an Atlanta Falcon that got suspended?
06:26Yeah, it was Calvin Ridley.
06:28He was in the NFL when it happened.
06:29Yeah.
06:30Yeah.
06:30So.
06:31And that's different because we've also had buy-ins players.
06:34Jim Trestle got suspended.
06:35Who was the other Ohio State player?
06:36There was an Ohio State player who got suspended before he got, when he came into the NFL, too,
06:40because of the tattoo scandal at Ohio State.
06:43Terrell Pryor.
06:44They were all, that's all 10 years ago.
06:46I understand that.
06:47But, again, that happened.
06:52And that wasn't gambling related.
06:55I think if you look at the way it's gone the last six to seven, six, seven, to 10 years,
07:00I think Roger Goodell's been a little bit more lenient on multiple fronts.
07:05And I actually, JP and I actually have a burger bet on whether there will be any sort of action
07:12taken against Brendan Shoresby,
07:15because I think it's a lot of people talking each other into the fact that it's a fait accompli it's
07:21going to happen.
07:21I don't think it is fait accompli.
07:23I don't think we know what Roger Goodell's going to do.
07:26I agree with you, Nick.
07:29That's why when he has, I'm like, I don't know.
07:31Oh, no, I think it's impossible.
07:32I think it's impossible to try to measure.
07:34I tend to use Kayshaun Booty as an example for why maybe Nick might end up being right in this
07:38whole thing.
07:40Booty always proves me right.
07:41I mean, he did just as much as Shoresby did.
07:43I just tend to think that, and again, he did just as much as Shoresby did.
07:47And when they dropped the charges, the state of Louisiana, the NFL just said,
07:51okay, we're just going to let this all go.
07:53And everyone just kind of swept under the rug.
07:54Where it's different for me is that this is more high profile, and this became so high profile.
07:59And so that's where I think, even though you could use the precedent of Booty as an example for why
08:03there would be no punishment,
08:05I tend to think this has got to a spot that's too high for Goodell to even ignore.
08:08Well, and the other thing, too, is, I mean, it's not set in stone that the NFL is accepting him
08:13for the supplemental draft yet.
08:15I don't think I've seen that anywhere.
08:17It's just he's applying for it and doing whatever legal maneuver he has to do.
08:23I'd be very surprised by it if they don't accept him.
08:24I'd be very surprised by that.
08:25Yeah, but I'm just saying he's doing whatever legal maneuvering he has to do with drawing complaints or whatever.
08:30He's got to drop the injunction.
08:31Yeah, to make him officially ineligible for college again because of gambling.
08:37So, you know, we're just talking ourselves in circles.
08:39First, he wanted to be eligible because of the gambling and the, you know, circumstances around it.
08:47It shouldn't be counted against him.
08:48He should be allowed to play.
08:49Now he's like, well, I'm just going to go to the NFL since it's caused such a stink around college
08:54football now.
08:55And, you know, everyone hates me.
08:56So now I'm going to go do the supplemental draft.
08:59And I feel like he's trying to do a little bit of an end around with this.
09:03And that is one thing that Roger Goodell does not like.
09:06He does not like players gaming the system.
09:10And I do feel like –
09:11What precedent do you have on that one?
09:13No, I mean, he's – again, you know, the – Goodell has no compunction when it comes to handing out
09:25discipline.
09:25Now, I don't think he's going to be the one to do it.
09:27I think, you know, it goes – they'll probably do, you know, like an independent arbiter or whatever.
09:34But, like, I just – you can have him, Nick.
09:37God bless you.
09:38Have him.
09:39You deal with it.
09:40You enjoy the consequences of it.
09:42I think it'll be a disaster.
09:44It'll be another Cleveland Browns disaster.
09:46And you enjoy it.
09:47Good luck with it.
09:47I think this is the exact thing that if it works out for somebody else three years from now, you'll
09:51be saying –
09:52and, of course, the Browns didn't do it.
09:54No, I will not.
09:55No.
09:55This is one thing I will not flip-flop on because I can't –
09:59I cannot trust –
10:01There's acknowledgement there, and I don't believe you, by the way.
10:03No, because I can't trust whether or not this guy is going to be available to me.
10:07You can literally say that about any player.
10:10By the way, Daryl, he hasn't bet on his own team since –
10:13For three years.
10:14Since what?
10:15Was that 2023?
10:16Yeah, when he was 18 years old.
10:17So I'm not trying to explain that away, but he does have a track record of not betting on his
10:21own team for the last three years.
10:23Okay.
10:23He's been betting since then?
10:25Yeah, but that's not the same thing.
10:26You're allowed to bet in the NFL.
10:27You're just not allowed to bet on NFL premises.
10:31But are you allowed to bet on football in the NFL?
10:34NFL?
10:35Being in the NFL, can you bet on the NFL?
10:37No, you can't bet on the NFL, but you can bet on anything else, though.
10:39You can bet on – in the NFL, you can bet on Major League Baseball.
10:42So in college football, as long as you don't bet on your team, you can bet on college football.
10:47I know.
10:48I think the point is – because you can't bet on college football if you're in college football.
10:51The point is, is that he has shown for three years, the worry you'd have is not that he's going
10:55to bet on a different sport.
10:57In the NFL, you can bet on different sports.
10:58The worry you'd have is whether he'd bet on the NFL in games that he's participating in.
11:02That's the big cause.
11:03Like, that's the big worry that you have to have.
11:04And now he's been three years – I want to call it sober of that – three years absent of
11:09any bets placed on any team that he's been a part of.
11:12And that's where I'd say that's an encouraging sign.
11:14He can still – I mean, NFL players, you can go into the casino.
11:17You can do whatever you want that way.
11:19I would never bet, by the way, Darrell, I would never bet on the idea that he doesn't gamble in
11:24some fashion ever again in his life.
11:25That's not a bet I would make.
11:27But I would make the bet as to whether or not he would bet on games he participates in.
11:31Again, you guys can deal – I just – I'm not interested.
11:35I think it's too big of a risk.
11:38I really do.
11:39Again, addiction is a completely separate thing from just normal, rational, bad decision-making.
11:51Those are two completely different things.
11:55And if his defense, which was, you know, sports gambling problem, that, you know, that's a different animal.
12:06I don't mean to take us down this road, but because – this is the second time we made the
12:11addiction point here.
12:12So would you not draft an alcoholic?
12:18I keep falling back to the Josh Gordon thing because Josh Gordon – everyone just assumed it was just marijuana
12:25that was the problem, okay?
12:26And there were so many other things, addiction-related with him, that cost him his career, okay?
12:33He just – he was not over – he was not able to overcome all of those things.
12:38And that is the most talented wide receiver I've ever seen, okay?
12:44And, you know, listen, you're not going to talk me into it.
12:49I'm 100% against it.
12:51I'm not interested in him.
12:52I think there's better players available for you next year, and I'd rather wait until next year.
12:56But I do believe that the Browns are interested in spite of whatever may be out there as far as
13:02reporting and all that goes.
13:04I think that they're absolutely interested.
13:05I expect Andrew Barry to bid on him.
13:09What that bid looks like, I have no idea.
13:11Is it going to be enough to win him in the supplemental draft?
13:15I have no idea.
13:15But I absolutely believe that the Browns are going to be interested in him.
13:18Darrell, I'm putting in a bid right now.
13:20No, I'm opting Cleveland into being the host city for the supplemental draft.
13:24Yeah.
13:24Are you supportive of this bid?
13:26I'd like to be the – I'd like to have the rights to this.
13:29We'll have some more of my meat.
13:30We can really nail this down.
13:33You can have it in your living room.
13:34Greater Cleveland Sports Commission, get on it.
13:36I want to host the supplemental draft.
13:38Something with respect.
13:38I want to worry of myself.
13:38I want toorage yesh.
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