00:00We've had the Brendan Soresby conversation the last two days here, and I thought it was interesting.
00:05Dane Brugler had his comments, but I actually want to play the Louis Riddick thing from Get Up Today,
00:11where he talked about Brendan Soresby and how he'll fit in in the NFL.
00:15How does he get on with the rest of the football team? Let's just put it this way.
00:19Locker rooms can tolerate a lot of things, because the one thing that you really do kind of like always
00:24gel with players about is this.
00:26We're here to win football games, and you trust that guys, when they go on the football field,
00:30all the stuff that maybe they're dealing with personally is left behind,
00:33because we're all out here trying to, like, establish our livelihood, take care of our families, win football games,
00:38because that's what the profession calls for.
00:40With this young man, as a football player, you're going to be sitting there and thinking,
00:43hey, look, you're going to be scrutinizing every single thing he does on the football field on game day.
00:47Every pass he throws, you're going, if that's not a complete pass, did you try to do that?
00:51Are you betting on us?
00:53Look, I think Todd Monken said it best.
00:54This is a slippery slope.
00:55It's a very slippery slope, because this is the kind of thing you have to be dead sure on
00:59as far as this young man has kind of made the strides and done the things necessary
01:04to where you feel reasonably assured that this is not going to be an issue that's going to affect your
01:09football team
01:09and the integrity of the game when your team is out there on the field.
01:12And I don't know how you get comfortable with that.
01:14I'm not saying he's wrong.
01:16This also feels like a very dramatic take.
01:18I feel like he's wrong.
01:19I was thinking to myself, I'm like, I don't know how I tell Riddick that he's wrong about this,
01:23but I patently disagree.
01:26I just, I don't think NFL locker rooms are going to be littered with people that are going to be
01:29wondering
01:30if Soresby's throwing intentional touch or intentional interceptions.
01:34Like, I just don't, that thought never even crossed my mind.
01:37I think fans at home will have that thought in the locker room.
01:41I just don't think that's going to be reality though.
01:42Yeah.
01:42I mean, you're going to know Brennan Soresby on a personable level, a personable level rather,
01:46and you're going to be able to go ahead and, and to decide for yourself.
01:49And I guarantee you those guys, as long as Brennan Soresby isn't a, you know, D I'm going to assume
01:55those guys are going to meet him in the same way that half the locker room met Shador
01:59and immediately liked him and the same way that people met Deshaun and immediately liked him.
02:05Like, I, I think we do this thing in sports talk where we put the social mores or the ethics
02:10on,
02:11you know, cause we talk about that impact and then you go in the NFL locker room or you go
02:15into an NBA locker room or a major league baseball locker room and they are vastly different ecosystems
02:21because it's not some public display of what you think and what you don't think it's guys
02:27just trying to get along with the same goal.
02:29Yeah.
02:29And as long as the, as long as Soresby doesn't seem like he's actively throwing games, I,
02:33you know how hard that's going to be by the way.
02:34I mean, listen, we went down the class A route before, uh, of, of like, basically how you even
02:39get to a spot where you make that much money and then to be able to gamble on first pitch
02:43bets,
02:43you just make such little money, how you even get that spot.
02:46But if you're Soresby, you're one of the teammates of Soresby, you just have to kind of trust the idea
02:50that he, no one in his world in like that world that exists around him will be able to make
02:56any
02:56substantial bet that would offset anywhere close to what his salary is.
02:59I also do think just from the, the Soresby side of things, you know, I, I've heard a lot of
03:04people
03:04say, well, I need time.
03:05You need, it needs time.
03:06And I understand that what, what really needs to happen is people need time to process the facts
03:12in this, because while Brennan did bet at Cincinnati, he didn't bet on his own team at Cincinnati.
03:20He only bet on his own team at Indiana.
03:22Indiana, and it has been three or four years since that happened.
03:25Well, that's a great point.
03:31Yeah.
03:31He didn't find that.
03:32He didn't find the humor in that yet.
03:33Did he?
03:34I think he's, I think he's trolling me, but I'm not entirely sure.
03:38Did I Dustin?
03:39I don't know what we call that.
03:40That's not Dustin.
03:41What do we call, Matt, did you, did you see what happened there or no?
03:44No, I missed it.
03:45He's off too.
03:46Then it's not obvious to me.
03:47Okay.
03:47That was the point that I made at two 20 that I said four times yesterday that we bypassed.
03:52And then, and then it brought it up at two 20.
03:53And then you did the whole like, Oh, what a great point and all that.
03:57And then you said it was such a straight face right there as if that was your own, like
04:00grandiose thought.
04:01All right.
04:01And did I steal your take?
04:02It's not stealing the take.
04:04It's just, it's just, it was very funny because you just completely ignored it for like two
04:07days.
04:08And then you brought that as if that was like groundbreaking there, but I thought it was intentional.
04:13I thought it was intentional.
04:15I didn't ignore it.
04:15I really thought it was intentional.
04:16I thought you were trying to like make a joke there.
04:18No, I didn't ignore it.
04:20I just didn't.
04:20Because it is a great point.
04:21I just didn't go over the top and celebrate your take, which I can start doing if you'd
04:27like.
04:27No, no, no, no.
04:28You don't need to do that.
04:30That's okay.
04:31That's a great point, Jonathan.
04:32Thank you very much.
04:32Proud of you, buddy.
04:33Every now and again.
04:34Every now and again.
04:35Proud of you.
04:35But it is true.
04:36I mean, this is why we keep bringing this take back up because it is true.
04:40He didn't bet on his own game since he was 18 years old.
04:43Like that part of his life is probably behind him.
04:46That part's probably gone.
04:47Why are you smiling?
04:48That is such a great point, Jonathan.
04:51Hot damn.
04:52That was fine.
04:53You don't find the humor in that though?
04:55I do.
04:55Okay, good.
04:56As long as you find the humor in it.
04:57Um, I, I will tell you, I, I don't think he's going to be suspended.
05:01I don't know if maybe he starts in, um, I don't know if he starts in some sort of a,
05:07like, I remember when Josh Gordon came into the NFL, he was, he automatically was enrolled
05:12in this kind of like watch list of guys who had to take P tests more.
05:16And, uh, he was kind of on the radar, but he wasn't immediately suspended coming out of
05:21college.
05:23I, I think that's about as much of like, Hey, you're in a diversionary program within the
05:28NFL.
05:29I just, I think people have talked themselves into a lather.
05:32And I think this is all goes back to the outrage of the injunction.
05:35And I just would be very surprised if there's a massive suspension or even any suspension
05:40attached to this.
05:40I'd be surprised if there isn't, uh, the idea that, and it's, again, it's not, it's about
05:45how much attention the case has brought.
05:46Uh, we, I think the precedent has been set with booty.
05:49I think that exists with Kayshawn booty.
05:51The idea that at that point they did not care what he did, but I think soars being the attention
05:56that it's brought and how it's been highlighted.
05:58I do think Adele is going to look on it differently.
06:00And the fact that it is a quarterback does matter compared to a wide receiver in this as
06:03well.
06:04I just think quarterbacks matter so much more.
06:06I think this is a different Roger Goodell.
06:08And, you know, I, I think this stuff gets easier when it's something that's already been
06:12collectively bargained.
06:14Um, but again, because it didn't happen when he, it didn't happen when he was in the NFL,
06:19it didn't happen to a team that he was playing on in the NFL.
06:23It just feels a little rich to then turn around and be like, all right, well, if you were on
06:28the team and did this, here's what the suspension would be, or your first suspension for gambling
06:32at all would be X, Y, or Z in the facility would be X, Y, or Z.
06:36I, I think I really, I'm going to say it again.
06:39I think I'd be very surprised if there was a suspension.
06:42And even then, I think there's going to be a perfunctory one.
06:46I think there will be one that can say, Hey, look, we did something about this.
06:50What is that like a game or two for you?
06:51What is that?
06:51I think one or two games would, to me, be again, it's a show of look how much we care,
06:56but
06:56in the end, it doesn't mean a damn thing.
06:57I guess I have a new, very interesting plot line to all this, uh, because our disagreement
07:01on what the penalty will be is going to be interesting to find out.
07:05Uh, and what you're saying is not like unfounded.
07:07I, I, I understand what you're saying.
07:09I really do.
07:11It just, if you're the NFL, I, the optics of all this and how much attention this has
07:14brought is why this is different.
07:16And I think that they're going to respond accordingly because of that.
07:18So I think maybe where my cynicism comes in is that we all just agreed.
07:23We still agreed that there was going to be some sort of disciplinary action handed, uh,
07:28handed on to him by the NFL.
07:30And people are speaking with such certainty.
07:32It's like, we don't have any, even floated kind of things from the league through like
07:38various outlets on how they're going to handle this.
07:41And I think people are already wrong about, Oh, are they going to let them in the supplemental
07:45draft?
07:46I think this is all kind of hullabaloo.
07:48And again, I, I, I'm not saying you saying it is, but I just think there's such a, everybody
07:53being such in lockstep with things are going to happen.
07:56It's like 15 years ago, this would be handled very differently.
08:00A younger Roger Goodell would handle this very differently.
08:02I think we're in a new era.
08:04And I do think there's a leniency in the NFL that I just, I, I don't know that the, I,
08:10I know the NFL will care, but that doesn't automatically mean the NFL is going to care.
08:15So they have to have some sort of ridiculous show of strength on Brennan Sorsby.
08:19I understand it.
08:19I do.
08:20I, I tend to think that any, any attack on their game in any sort of way, they're going
08:24to respond.
08:25But one thing I've said the entire time out of this, the best thing that Sorsby has going
08:30for himself is the idea that he did this in college.
08:32That's the very best thing.
08:33And it's not even close.
08:34And so does a world exist where Goodell says, well, that wasn't, I, I can't govern that.
08:40I wasn't, I wasn't supposed to govern that.
08:42I don't want to govern that.
08:43Let's him in the supplemental draft and just says, go on and play.
08:46Sure.
08:47I'm not betting that.
08:48I wouldn't bet your money on that.
08:49But that's a little uncouth of us to make like a burger bet based off of a suspension
08:53for gambling.
08:53Yeah.
08:54We've cared about things that are couth and uncouth.
08:57Yeah.
08:57Well, I'm ready for a burger, but if you want it.
09:00All right.
09:01I will make a burger bet on this.
09:03Oh, let's go.
09:04But let's go.
09:05I get two game suspension or less.
09:09How about this?
09:10You get two game or less, but that's not after appeal.
09:16Oh, okay.
09:18So like the initial one.
09:19So like if it ends up being a four game suspension, but they appeal it down to two, then I
09:23win.
09:23Cause the initial one is the four game suspension.
09:27That's the only way I'm giving you.
09:28Cause you, you're made this big case about no, no, no, nothing's going to happen at all.
09:32And then you, and then you're like, well, maybe just a little tiny one.
09:35And that's, that's what that governs for the two game suspension.
09:38And then, uh, all right.
09:39Yeah.
09:40Huzzah.
09:42All right.
09:43Is it, would the Brennan Sorsby situation be worth the headache?
09:47Look at that.
09:48Not you, Brennan.
09:49We got it.
09:50Stay away.
09:51Oh, wait, no, he can bet on this.
09:52He just can't bet on his own team or where he'll be drafted.
09:56Now, while we're having the conversation about the Cleveland Browns, Colin Coward on his show on FS1, by the way,
10:02ripped Dion.
10:02I don't know if it's in this clip or not, but he ripped Dion in the process of talking about
10:05Shador, but it seems like he's higher on the Browns and some others.
10:09I think you can win games with Shador.
10:10I'm not saying he's a great franchise guy, but I think Cleveland, the last couple of years has aced the
10:16draft.
10:17And I think they're going to win games this year, not two or three, six, seven, or eight.
10:22I really believe that.
10:24I think they have really good players.
10:26They have an offensive coach.
10:27I think Shador can play.
10:29It's a hill I'm going to die on.
10:30I think he was underdrafted.
10:32And listen, sometimes you miss Brock Purdy, seventh round Brock can play.
10:35Do I think Brock has great traits, size art?
10:38No.
10:38And I don't think Shador does either, but I will tell you, Andrew Barry is really sharp.
10:43And I, they may not have wanted to draft him, right?
10:48Because of some of the pre-draft stuff, you guys, he can play.
10:52This is going to become Tebow, except a guy can actually win games.
10:57That's what this is going to become.
10:59So just specifically on the Shador thing, I think people miss the point with Shador when they go to just
11:05what the stats look like last year.
11:07And, uh, Ivan, I think I heard Lima earlier this week say on this very station that, uh, Shador had
11:14very little to do with the wins against Pittsburgh and Cincinnati at the end of the season.
11:19And I, I, to me, that was just shahate coming through.
11:23Like, I, I just thought that was, I, I, the nonsensical, like you don't win those games with a team
11:30that is getting ready to give up without a couple of positive plays from Shador to get you where you
11:35needed to.
11:36Shador is a playmaker and I know he's got to be more consistent and all the other boring stuff that
11:41nobody likes to talk about.
11:43But at the very least, when you've got no talent around you and you can show people you can make
11:48plays in the NFL, that means you belong at the NFL.
11:50Well, and that's exactly right.
11:51And it's also speaking about what he's going to have this year that is different from last year, which we
11:54were just going down.
11:55And I, I think that's where the optimism from Colin comes in is that this team does offensively look night
12:01and day from what it was last year, as far as the presentation.
12:04Now, I will tell you, I don't expect a lot of people to hop on the bandwagon with Colin.
12:09Whether Deshaun wins the starting job or Shador, I think this team is mostly going to be ignored this year
12:16from outside of Cleveland until they do something people don't see coming.
12:21If they start 4-0 and Shador's the quarterback, you might start getting some attention.
12:25Or if you start 6-3 and Shador is your starting quarterback, I think you'll start getting some attention.
12:32But they're going to have to sing for their supper because the second you traded Miles and the second that
12:36everybody took it to mean you were all in on 2027, you're going to have to steal the attention of
12:42people outside of Cleveland to pay, to really pay attention to this team.
12:46Well, you've got one primetime game.
12:47They're not going to pay attention to you until you end up in a spot where the NFL says, this
12:52is so exciting, we have to flex you into opportunities later on in the season.
12:56And so, yeah, it's going to be an uphill battle.
12:58And even within this, it's not as if Colin said they're going to be, like Max says, a 12-win
13:02team.
13:02He didn't say that.
13:03He said 6-7-8 wins.
13:05And he's getting mocked at and laughed at for saying 6-7 or 8 wins.
13:09Who laughed at him?
13:10Jason McIntyre for one.
13:12Wow, that show doesn't.
13:13What?
13:14What doesn't he?
13:15Did you dump that?
13:17No, I didn't dump it.
13:18Okay.
13:18I thought Mack dumped that.
13:20Come on, tell me that's not what Jason McIntyre is.
13:24I was very impassioned.
13:26Like, you're going to bring Brown's positivity to these airwaves?
13:29He was, like, insulted at the idea that Colin was being positive.
13:32He didn't think about it first because he's a contrarian.
13:34Is that it?
13:35I don't know.
13:36I don't think Colin is just doing the contrarian bit either here.
13:39I think he genuinely does believe that this Browns team can be a 6-7 or 8-win squad.
13:44It's not crazy if you look at this roster.
13:46I don't know why that's a crazy thought.
13:47Jason McIntyre is the Dylan Gabriel of sports talkers.
13:50Is it because he's short?
13:51Yes.
13:54I think that's a slight against Dylan Gabriel.
13:57No.
13:58I think it's a wash.
13:59I think it's a wash.
13:59I think it's a wash.
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