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00:00All right, did that change anybody's mind?
00:02Because what I'm trying to do is we got to live in the real world here, folks.
00:09If you're a Browns fan and you're, like, not on social media that much,
00:12I want to know what you think of the guy.
00:14Because I do think that there are people who listen to us every morning,
00:17and God bless you, who they are hardcore Shador fans,
00:22and they are going to say everything nasty they can about Brendan Soresby,
00:27and then if they take Brendan Soresby, they're going to want him out of here.
00:29Get Shador out of here on the first thing smoking.
00:31They're going to demand a trade, which we can get into that if it ever happens.
00:37That just is a whole moving box over there that I don't want to open up right now.
00:42The other side of it is there are people who they have spent a lot of time on social media
00:47getting into it with Shador Sanders fans, getting into it about Deshaun Watson
00:51and all the other stuff, and they just want this whole room cleared out,
00:54and they think he's the best thing to do that.
00:57And my whole argument is, guys, we're in this mess together.
01:01I don't think there's any easy answers.
01:03I don't think there's any quick fixes.
01:05Or, excuse me, I don't think that he is an easy answer or a quick fix.
01:08And so I don't want to stump – I'm not going to stump for this guy.
01:12He's definitely not a quick fix.
01:14Exactly.
01:15And I think people take it like that.
01:16I think that there's a group of fans taking it like that.
01:19No, we just had Dane Brugler on, and everything – I agree 100% with everything he said,
01:23which I think people would be surprised.
01:25They'd be like, you love Sorsby.
01:26I'm like, dude, I don't know.
01:28I'm not –
01:29Lama's thoughts are you always take quarterbacks until you hit on them.
01:32I'm talking about him as a prospect.
01:34So the definition of prospect, we forget this all the time.
01:37People are like, oh, man, he lost this game to Shador.
01:40Therefore, Shador's better than him.
01:42Therefore, blah, blah, blah.
01:42Guys, that's not what evaluators do.
01:46Evaluators don't watch a game and go, who is the winning team?
01:48Well, I'm eliminating the quarterback of the losing team.
01:51It's about traits.
01:53It's about what you think you can develop.
01:55Then you have to think about how long is it going to take to develop.
01:57Then we have to look at mental capacity.
02:01Can this person – how long is it going to take to digest installs,
02:06to understand all that he's going to lose this year
02:09because he's not going to be in OTAs and minicamps?
02:11All this is being taken into consideration.
02:14And the thing I totally agree with Dane is, like, people are screwing this up.
02:19These are the things that I believe to be true.
02:21If Soresby came back next year on one of the most loaded teams in college football,
02:26at least most expensive teams, yeah, he'd have a chance to have an incredible all-time year.
02:32He'd have a chance to win the Heisman.
02:33He'd have a chance – I'm saying he's a really talented prospect
02:36who, if everything come together, could do this.
02:38Like you said, Ken, he can also play his way out of the first round.
02:41That has happened time and time and time again.
02:45At least three times that I can name off the top of my head.
02:47With so many quarterbacks, okay?
02:49Also, if he would have been in last year's draft that we just had,
02:53he would have been debated with Ty Simpson.
02:56He could have been a second-round pick.
02:58That doesn't mean because he's a second-round pick this year
03:01and a first-round pick next year,
03:02and because he'd be maybe a third-round pick in this year's supplemental.
03:06Like, well, that changes if he's good or not.
03:08That has nothing to do with whether he's going to realize his talents.
03:13Like, that has to do with what team does he go to,
03:16what's the developmental curve, is he going to be suspended by the NFL.
03:20You just heard me ask a thousand questions.
03:21He did.
03:22And that is why I'm in agreement with Dane Brugler.
03:25This is a very special case.
03:26But you'd still spend a second-round pick on him.
03:28I probably – honestly, probably third.
03:32Honestly, probably third.
03:33I think that the third makes sense.
03:35Well, the lower you go, the less of an argument we have.
03:37Right, that's probably true.
03:38I mean, you've got to – and third.
03:39Now, if the Browns are in love with Sorsby, if they look at the tape
03:43and they're like, this is Caleb Williams.
03:45Like, he hasn't won like – what, Caleb's last year,
03:47he didn't win all that much.
03:48But this is like Caleb Williams.
03:50Okay, that changes it because now they've fallen in love with a prospect.
03:54And, you know, you've got to be careful about that.
03:56They all have strengths and weaknesses.
03:58Like, Trevor Lawrence was the perfect prospect.
04:00I guarantee you teams found weaknesses in Trevor Lawrence's game.
04:03Hell yeah, they did.
04:04Okay, Andrew Luck.
04:05Hell yeah.
04:05Perfect prospect.
04:06Hell yeah.
04:07There were some negatives to Andrew Luck because they're prospects.
04:11And what I don't understand, it's mostly the Shador people who are arguing this
04:15because they feel that their backs are against the wall.
04:17They have to compare every quarterback to Shador straight up.
04:21And it's the same thing.
04:23That's why they're the only ones that are trashing Jackson Dart
04:25because they don't want to hear that another rookie was better than Shador last year.
04:30Tyler Shook.
04:30I don't know about Jackson Dart.
04:31I'm just not as high on Jackson Dart as what some other people are.
04:35I'm not sure that Jackson Dart is the future.
04:37I don't know if he's going to – real quick on Jackson Dart, like I know that Daniel Jeremiah
04:40brought him up and it's like, well, yeah, you'd spend first-round picks on these guys.
04:44For Jackson Dart, hey, there's still – I don't think he's out of the woods.
04:49No, I don't either.
04:50I do think that there's a couple of questions about third down – let me just say this.
04:56I just think that for Jackson Dart, if you don't start getting down after 20 yards rushing out there –
05:01This league's not – you're not long for this league.
05:03Yeah.
05:03Your best ability is going to be availability, and if you can't stay on the field,
05:08they're going to find somebody else.
05:09There you go.
05:09Yeah.
05:10There's where I stand on Jackson Dart.
05:11All I'm saying is –
05:12I don't need to go crazy on some of the other stuff.
05:14All I'm saying in all of this is – guys, and you're not going to want to hear this.
05:18Because Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson in this quarterback room is not part of the discussion
05:27for these evaluators on Soresby for the Browns.
05:30The Browns are not going to look at Soresby and say, I don't know, we have Shador Sanders.
05:36That's not entering the equation if we're talking about a potential first-round, second-round talent, right?
05:43Okay, yeah.
05:44That's just not –
05:44Yeah, I see where you're at on that.
05:45I hate to tell you guys this.
05:46It's just not happening.
05:47Yeah, I see where you're at on that.
05:48I don't know.
05:49The Saints.
05:50Tyler Shook had some great moments last year.
05:52Nice moments.
05:53I should say great.
05:54Nice moments last year.
05:55Tyler Shook is not going to be the difference in whether they want to draft Soresby or not.
06:00You compare him to 27.
06:01You compare him to 27.
06:02Because, again, this is what hurts, is that he had a whole year set up.
06:07And you ended up being right.
06:08Champions pose.
06:08I thought he was going to play college football this year.
06:10And Texas Tech giving him the $5 million, like, hey, we just – we can't do this.
06:15Yeah, how about that, by the way?
06:15He might be able to keep all that money.
06:16They gave him – basically, I think they're going to give him the money just so he doesn't turn around
06:19and sue them.
06:20They just want to be done with this.
06:21How do you feel if you're an oil man who – and you've been pretty cutthroat your whole life and
06:26you feel like a college kid just stole $5 million from you?
06:28Well, sometimes the biggest gamble is to make $5 million for not playing football.
06:33That's pretty good.
06:34That's pretty good.
06:35Jeez.
06:37You're comparing him more to 2027 is what you're doing.
06:40Yes.
06:40You're right.
06:42Because I think as the Browns planned it out – you didn't know Brendan Sorsby was going to do all
06:46this.
06:46But as the Browns planned it out, let's see what they do in 2026.
06:51If – and I do believe this.
06:53I think they do are trying to keep an open mind.
06:55It's just where we are at on our beliefs.
06:58Because if Deshaun does play well, then we have our own set of circumstances we have to go with.
07:05If Shador plays well, then we have a totally different set of circumstances to go with, and then we don't
07:09maybe have to worry about 2027.
07:11Or you understand this.
07:13Depending on where they're at in the draft, you can always trade down and get more picks and put them
07:17around Shador.
07:18I mean, that's in the best-case scenario because I'm looking at guys that are already in my uniform, right?
07:22But I compare Brendan Sorsby to 2027 guys, and this is what makes it such a difficult thing, is that
07:29he's not – I can't compare him down to down and game to game to all the other guys that
07:35are on this list because he ain't going to play.
07:37And the only thing we're going to be able to talk about is him in some training camp working with
07:42these guys if he's allowed the opportunity because we don't know how that they're going to – they're going to
07:46do this yet, the NFL.
07:47I'm sure there's probably conversations with his lawyers right now if he's going to declare, and it seems that he
07:53is for the supplemental draft.
07:55All right, how much is he going to be suspended?
07:57Is he going to be suspended?
07:58He should be because that sets a terrible precedent.
08:00I agree totally with Albert Breer.
08:02So how long is he going to be suspended?
08:04What type of punishment is there going to be?
08:06Are you going to be allowed in the facility or not allowed in the facility?
08:09That's a key part.
08:10And he could have done himself so much where, yeah, if he were to play well, which you're always going
08:14to – terrible choice of words.
08:16You're going to bet on yourself, and you're going to say that you're going to play well.
08:19Then, yeah, I would look at him and go, if he did play well, I'd go, well, I know that
08:25Arch Manning has his detractors, but my God, you look at what Sorsby did in 2026.
08:32I'm sure Dante Moore has some detractors, but look at what Sorsby did in 2026.
08:37He doesn't have that opportunity now.
08:38So the only thing I can go on is all the stuff that Dane was talking about.
08:42He had a whole nother year to not just develop with all the things that's surrounding him, but also the
08:49things that are on the field.
08:50So if he doesn't have that entire year, you could say all you want to about getting him in our
08:54system.
08:54It sounds like I'm trying to talk you out of it, by the way.
08:57It sounds like this, and I am.
08:58It's working to a degree where, yeah, we can get him in our system.
09:01You know, if your guys' coaches are going to be around, are the Jets coaching staff, are they going to
09:05be around?
09:06Is the Dolphins coaching staff going to be around?
09:08Is the – well, they just hired a head coach.
09:10The Cardinals just hired a head coach.
09:11We just hired a head coach.
09:12You intend on them being around.
09:14The Jets, there's no guarantee on that.
09:16That's what's funny about what Dane was saying.
09:18You start to play this into your head.
09:19Dane was saying all this stuff is working against him.
09:21Maybe you could argue it's working for him, this lottery ticket thing, because what is everybody saying now?
09:26He could go second.
09:28And how could that be if every team's got their roster set, their quarterback depth chart set?
09:32So what are they looking at?
09:33They're looking at traits.
09:34And this is what the draft has always been about.
09:37And, yes, a lot of teams go down and sink because they look at traits.
09:41But they're looking at him.
09:42And you know for a fact there are coaches salivating at the chance when they see the way, like, the
09:48off-platform throws and playing on the move.
09:51They're like, yeah, I can create an offense where that could be pretty hard to stop.
09:55I could make life very difficult on a lot of defenses given the way that this kid moves and his
10:00athleticism.
10:01People keep bringing up the Steelers.
10:02I don't know why.
10:04I don't know why.
10:05I don't see the Steelers.
10:06And let me tell you why.
10:06One, I'm not going to let the Steelers dictate what I do at my quarterback position.
10:09That, I think, lands us in trouble.
10:12Well, the Steelers are getting brought up because they're never bad enough to get a quarterback high.
10:16So this would be their chance to jump in and steal a high-level prospect.
10:22This is way more serious what Ben Roethlisberger was accused of, right?
10:27Had that happened, had they known about it in college, would the Steelers have taken Ben Roethlisberger?
10:31If what?
10:33The allegations that had happened against Ben Roethlisberger.
10:37I'm making a point here.
10:37Well, wait a second.
10:38Wait.
10:38But if those same allegations of what he was accused of happened in college, is that what you're saying?
10:44That's what I'm saying.
10:44Or the gambling?
10:45If, regardless.
10:47Well, no.
10:48No, you can't say regardless.
10:49It's a big difference.
10:49They're both serious.
10:50Yeah.
10:50One is obviously more serious than gambling.
10:53But I'm saying, the Steelers are a very conservative organization.
10:58And even though there's supposed to be 32 equal shares, they're one of the teams that are really in with
11:03the owner.
11:04Because they've had the same ownership group since 1933.
11:06They've had the same family since 1933.
11:09Almost 100 years, for crying out loud.
11:10So they're very in with the commissioner.
11:12They're very in with the league.
11:13They're probably one of those.
11:15Them, I think the Giants, I'd say Jerry Jones are probably like that inner circle of owners that seem to
11:22just somehow get their way.
11:24And I look at the Roonies and I go, I don't think the Roonies would have, like, they've had questionable
11:30characters on their teams before.
11:32They don't seem to really go out of their way to try to invite that in.
11:37And gambling's a big no-no in the NFL.
11:40I just don't see that family as the type that would take a risk on that guy.
11:44I wonder how desperate they are.
11:45I understand it.
11:47They have a packed QB room.
11:49They seem to like everybody.
11:51Now, that's not a reason, if you felt that the guy was that talented, that's not a reason to pass
11:55on him just like us.
11:56But, I mean, we've been far more willing to take risks on guys of questionable backgrounds, questionable character, questionable everything
12:04than the Pittsburgh Steelers have.
12:06And I just don't see them to be the type of team to go up there and give up a
12:11second-round pick or something significant for a guy that is automatically going to run into arrears with the league
12:18in terms of how long you suspended, where you suspended.
12:21Like, a lot of people look at it and go, hey, the Steelers are a good organization.
12:24That would be a place that you would go to.
12:26Yeah.
12:27But I don't think they're the type of team that takes risks on guys like that automatically.
12:32I'll tell you, the Tomlin thing, though, to me, now they had changed their GM, you know, what, four years
12:37ago from Colbert to, what, Omar, right?
12:41Omar, what's the last name?
12:42Omar Khan.
12:43Yeah.
12:43Well, which they were saying that Tomlin was kind of in charge.
12:46Yes.
12:46And now that he's gone, I do wonder.
12:49You had Colbert, then you had Khan.
12:50Khan was working for the team forever.
12:51I'm bogging it down.
12:52Go ahead.
12:53I'm sorry.
12:53How old is Art Rooney Jr. now?
12:55A thousand.
12:56Ninety?
12:56I have no idea.
12:57Isn't he?
12:58Isn't...
12:58No, I think you're thinking of Dan.
12:59I don't know how the hell old Art Rooney II is.
13:01They do the whole Roman numeral thing like we do.
13:04I'm just wondering...
13:04It's the only thing I have in common with the Steelers.
13:06I'm just wondering what their level of desperation is.
13:08They already moved on from Tomlin and, you know...
13:1173.
13:12What's their quarterback pipeline?
13:13I just don't think they act like that.
13:14I just don't.
13:16He's 73, just like Owen just said.
13:17September 14th is his birthday.
13:18Happy birthday early.
13:21Do you know where he went to high school?
13:22Wait a minute.
13:25Art Rooney went to Gilmore?
13:27Did he?
13:28A lot of leaders.
13:31I'll be dipped.
13:33He went to Duquesne.
13:34Is Baskin in today?
13:35Duquesne.
13:39I'm sorry.
13:40That got me.
13:42I just don't...
13:43I don't think they're that type of team.
13:45Do you think I'm wrong?
13:46You disagree?
13:47I think they haven't been.
13:49But the owner's still the owner.
13:51Right.
13:51But I'm sensing just the way...
13:53Their fans have never been more over the malaise of the Steelers than they are now.
13:57You're right.
13:58And I wonder if at some point they buckle and they start to do desperate things.
14:02And again, if they take him in the second round, they can also move on from him.
14:06They can.
14:07But this thought that if you take Sorsby, you're done for five years.
14:11That's the whole point of the supplemental.
14:13You're not.
14:14You're not putting your full-fledged investment in a guy.
14:16Their whole thing is...
14:17That's the difference between this and the traditional draft.
14:19That I disagree with.
14:20They are more...
14:21You think the supplemental's the same in terms of an investment as a normal draft?
14:24For the love of God.
14:25The whole point of the supplemental draft is to take a player that is only available in there because of
14:32risk.
14:34Historically, the Steelers have been a team.
14:36They have...
14:37Because I've had to study them because you want to do things like they have.
14:41Honestly.
14:41They've been the team that has tried to develop guys.
14:45I mean, good God.
14:46They brought Mason Rudolph back into the fold.
14:48They try to stay with guys that they believe in in certain ways.
14:53I mean, good God they brought James Harrison back from the Ravens practice squad.
14:56And then James Harrison went on and did James Harrison things.
14:59Like, they are a very patient team with that.
15:01So, yeah.
15:02Of all the teams that would say, hey, we'll give up a second rounder in the supplemental for Sorsby.
15:07And then we won't touch a quarterback the next year would be them.
15:11But I just don't think they'd make that investment.
15:13Because, again, go back to the famous story of Marino in 83 where they didn't want to take him because
15:20all the rumors that were going around town about Dan Marino.
15:23You know, at that time.
15:25Like, they're – it would seem that they'd be the perfect match for him.
15:30But because of their history and because of the owner who's still involved, I would say, yeah, they're not a
15:36match.
15:36I don't think – I'd be very surprised if they were the team to do it.
15:39I'd be very surprised.
15:40Now, I think the question to a listener is, as we get ready to end this show, am I lying
15:45to myself to make myself feel better?
15:47Because I don't want to take that risk myself.
15:50Because I think when people hear the Steelers, they go, well, we got to get them instead of the Steelers.
15:53Forget the Steelers.
15:54Well, I'm not going to let the Steelers dictate what I do to make my football team better if I
15:59can help it.
16:01Because an investment is an investment.
16:02I can't let the Steelers make that decision for me.
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