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00:01I came in, I barged in on Brad Ryder twice today.
00:04Just, you know, I have a lot of respect for Brad's mind.
00:08And, like, what are you doing today?
00:09This is the time of year where you can do anything.
00:11We can talk about stadium names.
00:13What's your least favorite?
00:14We can talk about food, you know, like this is that time of year.
00:20And I asked him, and I have to say I was disappointed
00:25that he said he used something I wanted to use right here at the beginning.
00:34But that's okay.
00:35There's no rule against that.
00:36I got the email.
00:39When Bulldog is here, I mentioned this to him.
00:41The email is from BetOnline.
00:44And he generally says he intentionally chooses not to look at them
00:49so that he can be surprised when I bring them up.
00:53Which, you know, you don't last.
00:56Marriages don't last this long without sort of an understanding like that
00:59between people.
01:00So he's not here anyway.
01:03BetOnline today.
01:04Next year's Stanley Cup odds.
01:07So they're a little different from whatever Brad was using.
01:10I think maybe he was using DraftKings.
01:12And if you heard him talk about this, then you know where I'm going.
01:15How many teams have, slash, how many teams should have
01:23shorter Cup odds than the Sabres do?
01:26This means, like, better chance of winning.
01:29Less of a long shot.
01:31How many teams should come in above the Sabres?
01:33Let's run them down.
01:35You know, like that Price is Right game with the cliffhanger game
01:40with that hiker guy climbing up the mountain.
01:43Has the show ever sounded older?
01:45Is that maybe still on?
01:46I think it might be still on.
01:47It might still be a thing, so maybe not.
01:49But, you know, you hit the buzzer.
01:51Here, I don't think there's a buzzer.
01:52How many teams come in above the Sabres in Stanley Cup odds?
01:56And what does this tell us?
01:58That's the conversation I want to have with you,
02:00is what does this tell us?
02:02Maybe nothing interesting.
02:03Maybe something really interesting and meaningful.
02:06Of course, Carolina would be the favorite.
02:10Rarely is the team that just won the title the night before
02:14not next year's favorite.
02:16Remember in this, or just keep in mind,
02:19there's an element of conference, power balances, and divisions.
02:26Super Bowl odds, this is where it's more intuitive, I think,
02:30where depending on how strong the division is,
02:34a team, I don't know, this is Kansas City maybe right now,
02:37has a tougher climb, or so the betters think,
02:42because there are, in the Chiefs' case,
02:45two teams in their division beside them
02:49that are thought to be really good.
02:51And that's different from, who's the opposite of this?
02:54NFC West is even a better example than this.
02:57Really, like, is it AFC East?
03:00No, there's, like, NFC East, let's use that.
03:02NFC East might be the one where,
03:04despite there being questions about Philadelphia,
03:07which plays at Lincoln Financial Field,
03:11nobody else is sort of on the same tier
03:15or considered to be for, you know, like, chances this year.
03:20Anyway, maybe that doesn't even apply here.
03:23Carolina is the favorite.
03:24The Avalanche are second.
03:26That makes sense.
03:27They were the best team in the league this year.
03:29Vegas busted them.
03:31Vegas is third.
03:33This is next year's Stanley Cup odds.
03:36Vegas is third, 10 to 1.
03:38I mean, I could never,
03:40but I was just in a hockey pool that I ran.
03:43And Vegas played something called Utah in the playoffs.
03:47And what did I do?
03:49That's right.
03:50I loaded up on Utah,
03:52which didn't work out.
03:53Edmonton is fourth.
03:56Edmonton and Vegas in the same division.
03:57Tied with Florida, Minnesota, Tampa Bay.
04:02So now we've reached two teams in the Sabres division
04:05who are above them.
04:07Next year's Cup odds, 12 to 1, tied for fourth favorite.
04:12Florida, Tampa, Edmonton, Minnesota.
04:15Minnesota comes in above Dallas, which is interesting.
04:19Dallas, I don't know why that is.
04:22I mean, Minnesota beat them, but okay.
04:24Dallas comes in tied with Montreal and,
04:29nope, Ottawa.
04:32They're next.
04:33Ottawa, 16 to 1 to win next year's Stanley Cup.
04:37That's probably because of all the times we remember
04:39Ottawa winning the Stanley Cup.
04:41And we sort of give them the benefit of the doubt
04:44based on their tradition and reputation of being champions.
04:4916 to 1.
04:50I'm at 1, 2, 3, 7, 10 teams.
04:54Four of the, so much for that division balance of power point.
05:0010 teams, four are in the Atlantic division.
05:04None of which is the champion,
05:06the reigning champion of said division.
05:09Well, it's because the Sabres are losing all their free agents.
05:13Anybody already have a strong take on, like,
05:16why this is this way?
05:18I have to ramp myself up into one,
05:21because I just, it was more just kind of baffled by it.
05:26The joke on Ottawa applies to us,
05:29but you can't really,
05:31we're not to the Sabres yet,
05:33and we're not even, they're not even next.
05:35You can't even use that,
05:37because the Senators, who've won nothing ever,
05:41thanks for the tweet in advance for about what happened in 1908,
05:46they're at 16 to 1,
05:47and we're way past that.
05:50Basically, your bet on the Sabres to win the Cup next year
05:54is almost double the return on what Ottawa's would be.
05:58Hmm, right?
06:0116 to 1,
06:03Dallas, Montreal, Ottawa.
06:04Montreal, okay.
06:06They did just win two rounds.
06:0825 to 1, two teams,
06:10this is even better.
06:12Two teams at 25 to 1.
06:16Anaheim
06:18and New Jersey
06:20are next.
06:23Could the Rangers spend their money
06:25and get good again?
06:28Could Pittsburgh
06:29bring back their Legends,
06:32you know, trio,
06:33and win,
06:35they were in the playoffs,
06:36win again.
06:36Could Philadelphia
06:38build on
06:39a good,
06:40I mean, a great
06:42rally
06:42to the playoffs
06:44and then a series win
06:45and win?
06:46Could Washington,
06:48maybe with Ovechkin back,
06:50they had as many,
06:50I think,
06:51they had as many points
06:52in the regular season
06:53as Vegas did.
06:54Wow.
06:55Could Washington
06:56do that?
06:58New Jersey
06:58gets the,
06:59gets the nod
07:00at 25 to 1.
07:02And then,
07:03oh, there they are,
07:05the Buffalo Sabres
07:07at 28 to 1.
07:08Then L.A.
07:09and Utah.
07:11So that really was a team.
07:13That's a team, Utah.
07:14Uh, yeah.
07:15The Sabres come in 13th.
07:19Really asking,
07:20why such little respect?
07:24Anybody?
07:25Anybody?
07:26Why such little respect?
07:27What is it about
07:28the Sabres
07:29as the defending
07:31division champs
07:33that won a round
07:33and went to overtime
07:34of Game 7
07:35in Round 2
07:36is lacking
07:38for they to be
07:41behind the Devils
07:43and Ducks
07:44and way behind
07:46the Senators
07:48as Cup favorites?
07:50They're the fifth
07:51favorite
07:51in their division
07:53to win it.
07:55Now,
07:56I'll throw in
07:57that on Friday,
08:00Bulldog and I
08:01talked about
08:01next year,
08:03next season
08:03for them,
08:04and we did
08:05a reverse
08:06power rankings thing.
08:07It's,
08:07it's,
08:08you're,
08:08you're welcome.
08:09It's really been a
08:10delight to do that.
08:11It's,
08:11it's charmed
08:13listeners far and wide.
08:14It's,
08:15you know,
08:15really one of our
08:16special trademarks.
08:18We did this
08:19for the Atlantic Division
08:20and he ended up
08:21putting the Sabres
08:22third,
08:22I got it right here,
08:24behind Montreal
08:25and Tampa
08:26and then later on
08:28in Friday,
08:28on Friday's show
08:29I asked him,
08:29would you take that?
08:30He said,
08:30yes.
08:31He would take
08:32third place
08:33for the Sabres.
08:34Well,
08:34third place,
08:35this is not exactly
08:37division standings,
08:38but it's cup odds
08:40and according to that,
08:42third place is sort of
08:44better than expectations.
08:47Florida,
08:4712 to one,
08:49Tampa Bay,
08:4912 to one,
08:50Montreal,
08:5116 to one,
08:52Ottawa,
08:5316 to one.
08:53What?
08:55Buffalo,
08:5628 to one.
08:57Rest of the division,
08:58I mean,
08:58I got to really scroll
09:00down here.
09:01We have Toronto
09:02at 40.
09:04We have Detroit
09:05and Boston
09:06at 80 to one.
09:07What did Toronto do
09:08that was so special
09:09to make them,
09:11you know,
09:12what,
09:12twice the favorite
09:13of the Bruins
09:13and the Red Wings even?
09:16So,
09:17what is it?
09:17I'm watching Carolina
09:19and as we do,
09:21I think,
09:21every go-round
09:22with these,
09:23what is it,
09:25hockey,
09:26football,
09:26anything,
09:26what is it
09:27about the team
09:28that won
09:28that my team
09:31that didn't win
09:32is lacking?
09:34I wanted to be able
09:36to put forth
09:38that Carolina
09:40has like a superstar
09:42and I don't know
09:44that the Sabres do,
09:45I don't know
09:46that they ever will
09:47have,
09:48although Hasek is the,
09:50you know,
09:51he was this
09:52as a goalie,
09:54but it's not
09:56about that,
09:56it's that Carolina
09:57really doesn't
09:58make that easy
09:59for me.
10:00They have so many
10:02good players
10:03and they're deep
10:04and you can't
10:05penetrate them
10:05and it almost
10:07doesn't matter
10:07who their goalie is,
10:09like they're just
10:09that complete
10:11as a team
10:12and it was
10:13Stan Coven
10:15for a while
10:15and then it was
10:17Blake
10:18and then it was
10:19Taylor Hall
10:20and then it was
10:20Jordan Stahl
10:21who came in,
10:22swooped in
10:22and took the
10:23Consmite Trophy
10:24out of other
10:25guys' hands
10:26and, you know,
10:27sort of a fitting
10:30representation
10:31of what they are
10:33as a team,
10:34like just
10:34the right
10:36combination
10:37of youth
10:38and experience
10:39and two-way guys
10:41and finishers
10:42really,
10:43they ended up,
10:45I like to complain
10:46about sports seasons
10:48that end with
10:49mediocre teams
10:51lucking into
10:52championships.
10:53That's not what
10:53happened here.
10:55You can't say that
10:56about this.
10:56Maybe you could have
10:57about Vegas.
10:57If Vegas had won
10:58the Stanley Cup,
10:59we'd spend the whole
11:00time talking about
11:01the playoff format
11:02and just how
11:03ridiculous it is
11:04that they even
11:05got in,
11:06but then they got,
11:06you know,
11:07the matchups they got
11:08until they got to the
11:09Avs.
11:09You can't take that
11:10away from them.
11:11But they didn't win.
11:12Carolina really did,
11:13I think,
11:13I would say,
11:14outclass them
11:15even though it went
11:15six.
11:17And I thought
11:18by the end
11:18of the series
11:19that really did
11:20bear itself out.
11:22I mean,
11:22game five and game
11:23six were both,
11:24yeah,
11:24there's no question
11:25which of these teams
11:27is the better team.
11:28So Carolina does not
11:30make it sort of
11:30cut and dried
11:31while the Sabres
11:32need a superstar.
11:35And that's with
11:36respect to Darlene
11:38and even Thompson,
11:39but they're not
11:40on the same level
11:41in my book.
11:42Darlene is an elite
11:45NHL player.
11:46He's great.
11:47And if he doesn't
11:49get hurt,
11:50maybe it will help
11:51him to get a cup
11:52or two or more.
11:53I mean,
11:54right?
11:54I know.
11:55It's crazy.
11:56But, you know,
11:57that's kind of a
11:57Hall of Fame caliber
11:59player, I think.
12:00Thompson is not.
12:01Thompson's very good
12:02and he has meant
12:04a lot to the Sabres'
12:06success even
12:07before this season.
12:09I mean,
12:09he's been their
12:09leading scorer.
12:11What is it?
12:11Like, 40 goals
12:12three years in a row,
12:13whatever it is.
12:14So, I don't really
12:15want to throw shade
12:16on him.
12:16I'm not meaning
12:17to do that.
12:17But he's not
12:18a superstar.
12:20And Darlene is
12:21almost one.
12:22Darlene would be
12:23one maybe if he
12:24were on a
12:25different team
12:26where he would
12:27be, to the extent
12:28that it's still
12:28hockey, a household
12:30name.
12:31In houses that
12:32talk about hockey,
12:34he would be that.
12:35Maybe in houses
12:36that talk about
12:36hockey, he already
12:37is.
12:37So, he's here
12:38and Thompson's here
12:40and then that's it.
12:42There's no one
12:43else in that
12:44conversation.
12:45And thinking
12:46about Kekalainen
12:48and the job
12:48before him
12:49and what happens
12:50with Alex Tuck,
12:50who I'm assuming
12:51is probably gone.
12:53I want Kekalainen
12:56to be able to find
12:57somebody like Tuck
12:59who is plausible,
13:01who's believable
13:02as a player that
13:04can give you
13:05something akin to
13:06that, either in
13:07stats or in size
13:09or ideally both.
13:10That's the downside
13:13of losing Tuck
13:14is that you've
13:15got 34 goals
13:17or 33 goals
13:18and he's 6'4".
13:19You've got a
13:19combination of
13:20traits and
13:21production there.
13:22But I keep saying
13:24I want this GM
13:25to be the quality
13:27that he can
13:28unearth somebody
13:30like this
13:30and replace Tuck
13:33with him.
13:33I don't know who
13:33that is
13:34because I'm not
13:35that GM.
13:37But I wonder
13:38if what's holding
13:40the Sabres back
13:41in these odds,
13:44here you have
13:44Ottawa so much
13:47above them,
13:48which who even
13:49cares about
13:50Ottawa?
13:51Like, what is it
13:53about the Sabres
13:54that's lacking
13:58toward respect
13:59for their chances
14:00next year?
14:01I mean, you can't
14:03just say they're
14:04in a too tough
14:05division because
14:06you've got four
14:07or five teams
14:08in the division
14:09who come in
14:09way above them
14:10in the odds.
14:12What am I missing?
14:14Is it goaltending?
14:15Is it a lack
14:17of a star?
14:17Is it really just
14:18that Alex Tuck
14:19is probably going?
14:20Would BetOnline
14:22bettors care
14:23that much about
14:23that?
14:24I don't know.
14:26But it's a blow
14:28to the ego
14:28that they come in
14:30so low on this
14:30list that the
14:31devils have
14:32shorter cup odds
14:34than Buffalo.
14:35What do you think?
14:36What is the answer
14:37to this little riddle?
14:38803-0550
14:40is the number.
14:41Tyler Dunn
14:41today at four.
14:42Sal Capaccio
14:45probably tentatively
14:45scheduled for five.
14:47You know Sal.
14:48He's always busy.
14:49But we'll make time
14:50for us any chance
14:51he can.
14:52And we're hoping
14:53for five o'clock
14:54but we'll see
14:54how his day
14:56plays out.
14:58Don't change
14:59the station
14:59because you're
14:59going to want
15:00to find out
15:00what happens
15:00with that.
15:02What do you
15:03think the answer
15:03to this Sabres
15:04thing is?
15:04How are the
15:06Ottawa Senators
15:0716-1 to win
15:08the Stanley Cup
15:09next year
15:09and Buffalo
15:10is 28-1?
15:11You don't have
15:12to speak the
15:12language either.
15:14Just like
15:14is that intuitive
15:15at all?
15:15You don't have
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