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00:02Josh Allen, I guess, speaking now, we'll see what Sal takes away from it.
00:07There was a Josh Allen line.
00:10I haven't talked to Tyler about it yet.
00:12Maybe we should call Tyler.
00:13He wrote it up in a sit-down with Allen a week or so ago.
00:18I know which line.
00:21There are actually two quotes in there that were, the one is more worth talking about.
00:27Before you bringing them up, because we haven't talked about it on the air yet,
00:33is it something where he would be questioned about it today?
00:41I don't know.
00:43I don't know.
00:45I think he could be.
00:46Okay, so what is it?
00:48Do you have it?
00:48Yes.
00:49This is from Tyler's big, long feature on the new Josh newly married and baby and whatever.
00:55I'm going to play football how I know how to play it until I can't, Allen says.
01:01And when I can't play it the way I want to play it, it's probably when I'm done.
01:06But hopefully that's still quite some time.
01:11So what he's probably saying is to be the machine that he is, you know, physically.
01:21And when that gets away from him, maybe it comes part and parcel with the rest of his game,
01:26or maybe it doesn't.
01:27Maybe it's just that he's not going to be able to run over guys anymore.
01:31Then maybe that's the ball game for him.
01:33I mean, that certainly is a way that you can, I think, like, literally that's what he's saying, I think.
01:41But the thing is, we're assuming what he means by the way I want to play means all that.
01:51Which, you know, I assume that's what it means.
01:53Like, I've played a certain way since I got here, and, you know, this is really, this is the running
02:00part of it.
02:01And if I can't do that, then that will be, that will tell me it's time for me to stop.
02:09Like, that, I think, is certainly a place you could land.
02:13It maybe even is a place you should land.
02:15I think the big one.
02:17Hearing that quote.
02:17Sorry.
02:17I mean, the big X factor in this is whether they win a title first.
02:24Especially for a quarterback, by far.
02:26And he said a lot about how important that is to him.
02:29That was the other quote.
02:30I love the quote.
02:31It's the last great sports story or something.
02:35I mean, it's very dramatic, but it, you know.
02:39I like it, too.
02:39It was cool to hear it or read it from him.
02:42You know, because that's, a lot of us might feel that way.
02:46We're not, like, putting it on a flag or a pennant or anything.
02:49But, like, you know, we're compelled to feel like the Bills are a compelling story.
02:55Buffalo, as a non-championship town, is compelling.
02:59And, I don't know, it's one of those things that tells you, Allen, and this is not news to anyone,
03:05that he gets us.
03:07He gets the lay of the land here.
03:09He understands us.
03:11In a way that maybe a lot of guys don't maybe understand the place they're playing.
03:14Yeah, there's been, there's been, correct me if you can think of an example, there's been no equivocation from him
03:23ever about his loyalties.
03:26I mean, sometimes you hear it, it's veiled, and it makes you wonder.
03:32It sends everybody into a tizzy, depending on the status of the player.
03:36Is, like, with Lamar Jackson, I mean, he almost got out of there, and then there are times when it's
03:43like, this might not be fair to him.
03:44But, you know, the kind of thing I'm talking about, where a quarterback making tens of millions of dollars a
03:50year would say something like, you know,
03:52we've got to see if we're still committed or what else is going to happen.
03:57You know, I think it may be hockey players for this with the Sabres over the years.
04:00You know, guys that said without saying it that they really weren't that, they weren't buying in.
04:08Right.
04:08And I don't have any memory of Allen even suggesting that there's a coaching change, and this offseason would be
04:17a time where he could do it, but that hasn't happened.
04:21You know, I've kind of assumed that he's into this move, or else it wouldn't have happened.
04:27But I don't know that.
04:29Right.
04:29That's saying a lot.
04:30I know.
04:30It's almost like saying that he drafts the players, which I've said a few times.
04:33Right.
04:33The first round picks.
04:34Yeah.
04:35You know, and the Bills kind of for a while, Brandon Bean for a while was like, oh, yeah, he
04:39texts me 100 mock drafts a week.
04:40No, he doesn't.
04:42But, you know, we like that you want to be real about it and say that Allen is into the
04:46draft, but we don't want to think, I think, not speaking for everyone, that he's actually pulling the trigger.
04:51Yeah, no.
04:52Right.
04:52Right.
04:53Anyway, he has.
04:55I've always taken that as Bean wanting us to know.
05:00It's very patronizing to me.
05:02Allen loves the pick.
05:03Of course, he's on board with it.
05:04But it's exaggerating how much he loves the pick is what Bean, to me, is doing there to make us
05:10like him.
05:10Oh, Josh likes it.
05:11Of course.
05:12I like it, too.
05:13And I think it's pretty idiotic.
05:15It's Kincaid and Coleman.
05:16Yeah.
05:17Those are the two examples.
05:18Yeah.
05:18Kincaid and Coleman, where he was all excited about, you know, this is a guy he wanted.
05:24Anyway, he's never cracked the door open at all for anything about questions, serious questions about their chances.
05:33And that continues, to my knowledge, in an offseason where they have a new coach.
05:38So that's great.
05:39Yeah.
05:40He, but to me, not knowing him, I completely could believe that.
05:45I might even predict it, that he'll, there'll be a shelf life.
05:50This is Cam Newton.
05:50And he's often been compared to Cam Newton.
05:52And then suddenly Cam Newton couldn't play at all.
05:55And I don't know.
05:57I mean, we're not there, hopefully.
05:59But I could see a guy like this feeling like, you know, a Lindros or somebody where it's just like,
06:04you know, I mean, it burned out quickly.
06:08And for him, unlike a hockey player or, you know, other positions in football, the legacy thing is so big
06:18for a championship.
06:20And there could come a time in five years or something, or even less, where that is a really tough
06:27one.
06:28You'll have a young family, as he already does.
06:32And, man, how, can we win a championship this year?
06:36Do I have one more year of, I mean, this has been countless athletes over the course of time.
06:41Do I have one more of these in me to be able to accomplish this one thing?
06:46You know, it's Elway.
06:48Elway, I don't know that Elway was ever pondering giving up on football.
06:54I never heard that, that I remember.
06:56But he hung in there, and he played this kind of way.
07:00Yeah, and he won.
07:02He was not at all the athlete that he had been earlier in his career, but, you know, he figured
07:08out a way to keep going.
07:10And that's, you know, that to me is the part of this quote.
07:14Again, I'm going to play football how I know to play it until I can't.
07:18And when I can't play it the way I want to play it is probably when I'm done.
07:21And that also, to me, is, I'm venturing pretty far out here, I think, but that's something a 30-year
07:32-old person says.
07:33You know, like, if you love it so much, and this is where I think you mentioned a very key
07:40element here, like, do they win one?
07:41Like, is there one on the shelf, and his powers start to dissipate however, however slowly, I think we want
07:52to say hopefully, or however suddenly they may.
07:56And if there's, if there's, if he's accomplished the goal, right, there's a banner, there was a parade, they had
08:02the whole thing.
08:03Like, you know what, I can't play the way I was playing five years ago anymore, and therefore it's not
08:09that much fun anymore.
08:11And I, you know, we got a Super Bowl out of it.
08:14I'm done.
08:15He's tied up, and I don't mean that in a bad way, in, like, these other endeavors where financially he
08:20can go anytime he wants.
08:21Right, but if they, if they don't win one, that's where I think, where I'm venturing out into the wilderness
08:28a little bit here is, like, that's a 30-year-old person telling you, I don't want to do this
08:34when I can't do it the way I'm doing it right now.
08:36But then the 35 person walks into the room and, like, yeah, they still pay me, like, $60 million a
08:43year, and it's awesome, and my kids can watch me now.
08:47They're, you know, they're taking it in as opposed to, like, if they were to win this year or next
08:52year, like, maybe they'll have a second child by then, but whatever.
08:56Like, the kids are so little, they never really got to see daddy play, right?
08:59So if you don't win one, and I got to change how I play, I'm a little more pocket guy,
09:04I'm not going to, I don't think he'll ever play without running to some extent,
09:10but it just won't be as lethal as it has been, and I could just as soon see him being
09:17asked about this quote in five years
09:20when the running totals are more modest and it's more, like, just short-yarded stuff or hardly anything at all
09:27as far as designed runs go.
09:29And, like, well, yeah, you know, this is, you know, father time.
09:33But I'm here, I'm still playing at a high level from the pocket, you know, I'm more of a, more
09:39surgical now than I am, you know, thunder and lightning, say.
09:44So, like, there's that, but, you know, he didn't say any of that, I'm just speaking as someone who, you
09:51know, has aged.
09:53You know, the things that you don't think you'll want to do anymore, if you really enjoy them and love
09:59them,
09:59and if they, to some extent, even define who you are, you find a way to keep going.
10:04You know, you just, the mind and the body sort of find a way to get through that.
10:10But, no, I mean, when you, so that's one, you know, that's an alternative reality to the quote that, again,
10:16is, you know, I'm imagining it.
10:18The quote itself is, I thought we were, like, halfway through, and now you're maybe telling me we're, like, closer
10:26to the end than I'd like to be?
10:27Whoa!
10:28You know, which is a little jarring.
10:31I think this is the first time I've ever, or at least this certainly is the only time I can
10:37recall, him talking about the end.
10:41Like, pondering a conclusion of any kind.
10:45Like, it's just been entirely open-ended, which is right.
10:48I mean, he's in his 20s, you know, they're trying to climb the hill, and they're, so, you know.
10:54Now 30 with a child.
10:5530 with a child.
10:56You're a little more reflective.
10:57New stadium.
10:58You can sort of see, you know.
11:00A wife and a child.
11:01I mean, that isn't that, his marriage isn't that long ago.
11:03That's right.
11:04Pretty new.
11:04It was just this off-season before, I think.
11:06So, yeah, I mean, you can start to see the end, but even still, him acknowledging it was a little
11:12jarring to me to read that in Tyler's piece.
11:16Elway only serves you so well as a comp.
11:20We both grew up watching him.
11:22You loved him.
11:24And I don't mean that as a bad thing.
11:26But the most yards in a season he ever ran for in 16 seasons is 304, which is far less
11:37than Allen's lowest total.
11:38More than 100 yards less than Allen's lowest total as a rusher.
11:44Elway rushed for a total of 33 touchdowns in 16 years.
11:48Allen has rushed for 51 in the last three years.
11:5241.
11:5341.
11:54Sorry.
11:5441.
11:55Still more.
11:5641.
11:5779 for his career, which is up there with, as I love this stat so much, I say it all
12:04the time, it's up there with the greatest running backs, some of the greatest running backs you've ever seen.
12:08It's more than OJ, more than Thurman, right?
12:1179 rushing touchdowns.
12:12So Elway was a great runner for a quarterback at least, and he was willing.
12:21But he wasn't this guy, where he wasn't, I think of it more, this might not be exactly right, I
12:29think of it more as kind of in desperate situations.
12:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:33That he could do it.
12:33Like scrambling, like I don't want to get too far down the road trying to remember the 80s.
12:40But I don't think any quarterbacks in the 80s had a lot of design, the amount of designed runs, it's
12:46almost that the Bills have had and the Ravens have had, and there are other, Michael Vick.
12:51It's like the era that preceded, say, Michael Vick and Randall, Randall Cunningham's a contemporary.
12:56I'm looking him up right now.
12:58And I want to look, I was on my way before I got lost in this point to go check
13:03Steve Young's career rush.
13:05Okay.
13:05Because that's the other guy from that era that was, you know, known as someone who ran a lot.
13:11Cunningham had maybe seven years where he ran like twice as often as Elway did or more.
13:17Yeah.
13:18He had a 942-yard year rushing, 1990, the year the Bills played them in Buffalo, the Barnett game.
13:29Is that the Barnett game, Fred Barnett?
13:31Does that work for you, that one play?
13:34I think so.
13:35Yeah, I think so.
13:36I think so.
13:37Steve Young's career high rushing, 92, 537 yards.
13:44There's a few years in the 400s, but, you know, never more than that.
13:51So, I mean, for that era, that was a lot.
13:53But, like, it feels to me like as much as football, traditional football, was pushing against the quarterback.
14:01I mean, we're only, we're Josh Allen's draft.
14:04Lamar Jackson was going to have to change positions because he couldn't play quarterback.
14:08One person said that.
14:09Right, one person said that.
14:12I feel like this era, sort of, with how good these guys were at it and how valuable it became
14:18to the teams, it sort of, whether teams were unwilling or not, they just sort of got out of the
14:23way.
14:24Like, all right, this guy's excellent at this.
14:26It helps us a lot.
14:27We're going to do it.
14:28We're going to lean into it.
14:28And I don't recall anyone really having that much of that in, like, Elway, Steve Young times.
14:36Good little Randall Cunningham trivia.
14:39He won his last start in 2001.
14:43Okay, well, that's not that special.
14:45A lot of guys did.
14:47His last touchdown pass was thrown to Shannon Sharp.
14:52Okay.
14:53So, what team is that, you might be thinking.
14:55Like, when did Randall Cunningham play with Shannon Sharp?
15:01Well, it's 2001.
15:02Baltimore.
15:03Baltimore.
15:04Cunningham's last team was Baltimore.
15:06Did you know that?
15:06Would you have guessed that without Shannon Sharp?
15:08Good for you.
15:09No, I don't think I would have.
15:10Shannon Sharp.
15:11I remember Shannon Sharp in Baltimore.
15:13For some reason, that sounded familiar to me.
15:15Randall Cunningham there did not.
15:16But when you paired him up, that got me home.
15:20All right.
15:21And I don't know.
15:22He never played again after this game.
15:24Mid-season in Pittsburgh.
15:26The Ravens won it.
15:27And I don't know if he got hurt in this game.
15:30Was he pulled?
15:31Sorry?
15:32No, he wasn't pulled.
15:33While we're there, and we still have a minute or two.
15:35So, what year did he rush for 900 in whatever yards?
15:3890.
15:3890.
15:39Cunningham.
15:39All right.
15:40How long does it take?
15:42He's in Minnesota.
15:43Does he run for 100 yards in Minnesota?
15:46Barely.
15:46Right.
15:47In 98, that great team.
15:48132.
15:49Yeah.
15:50Pocket passer.
15:52There's what you're, I guess, hoping for age curve-wise with Allen.
15:58I mean, we'd all love him to never lose this prowess that he has to run as awesomely as he
16:05does.
16:06But it's just not sustainable for, you know, if he's going to play into his mid to late 30s or
16:12even try to get to 40.
16:14It's not going to happen.
16:15So, that's what you need, like, age 35 to 40, if he's playing, to sort of look like.
16:22You just change your game.
16:26I love looking up Randall Cunningham stuff.
16:28Like, I wonder if Randall Cunningham ever in, like, 1992, a couple of years after rushing for almost 1,000
16:34yards as a quarterback, ever said,
16:35If I can't play like this, I'm not playing anymore.
16:3791, he missed the whole year.
16:39And then he's in Minnesota not running at all.
16:41I don't know if it was a preseason game, but I remember the news that, like, he was out for
16:45the year, Cunningham, 91.
16:48That Shannon Sharp trivia is not the best Randall Cunningham trivia.
16:51The best Randall Cunningham trivia that I know of is that he was Kenny Mayne's backup at UNLV.
16:56Right.
16:57That's good.
16:58Right?
16:59Yep.
17:00Kenny Mayne.
17:01Kenny Mayne.
17:04Trista Crick.
17:05A couple of the greats.
17:08Trista.
17:08The star is on the, I don't even know if it's on the rise.
17:12Maybe it's, it's there.
17:14We'll talk about the NBA and what TV shows we should all be watching with Trista.
17:18Assuming she still has time for it.
17:20She's nice to make time for us.
17:22We'll have her with us after the update.
17:24Mike Schoep and the Bulldog, WGR.
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