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00:00I want to talk about the Knicks.
00:02Good.
00:04I watched...
00:05I want to say every minute of that,
00:07but it's possible somewhere between, like, down by 20 and down by 10.
00:13My eyes might have shut for a moment or two,
00:16but, like, I really want...
00:17I saw everything that mattered.
00:19Did you watch the first half?
00:20Yes.
00:21So did I.
00:21Yeah.
00:22I only watched the first half.
00:24Not all of it.
00:25I watched the second quarter.
00:26I will do this.
00:27You know what I do with...
00:28I do this with hockey, too.
00:30With the cup final.
00:31I will get through two periods,
00:35or with the basketball game last night,
00:36that seemed like a really long first half, I think.
00:41But, anyway, halftime, you know.
00:44Yes, the first quarter.
00:45Yeah.
00:45I did watch some of the first quarter,
00:47because I came back into the room at one point.
00:48Like, it's still the first quarter.
00:49It went on forever, yeah.
00:50They were in the 40s, the Spurs.
00:52Yeah.
00:52So I'll pull the chute on the downstairs big screen
00:57and just settle for the iPad and get in bed.
01:00And usually, there's an intermission.
01:01Halftime.
01:02Now, with the basketball, I want to see the halftime show.
01:05So I actually waited, stayed downstairs, watched the, you know,
01:09the Barkley-Shaq show, and then went upstairs.
01:14You know, it's a 27-point game at halftime.
01:18And, like, all right.
01:19And same thing with hockey.
01:21Especially if there's a lead, if it's a one-sided game in any way,
01:24which isn't that common in hockey.
01:26But certainly was the case with basketball.
01:28All right.
01:29Third quarter can start.
01:30I don't urgently have to turn it on.
01:33So I'll read some stuff that I had saved through the day during the show,
01:37even.
01:37I'll flag stuff on Twitter that I might want to read later.
01:40I don't have time for it now.
01:41I'll do some of that and then look, okay, well, let's see where we're at.
01:46And last night, that took a little longer than normal.
01:48And so the fourth quarter was about to start.
01:51And it's a 15-point game.
01:52Like, all right, I think I'm going back.
01:54Like, that doesn't seem insurmountable with the kind of off-postseason
01:59the Knicks have had.
02:00It's a 15-point game.
02:00It was 27, even got to 29 at one point.
02:04It doesn't seem insurmountable, but if that's me and I'm getting tired
02:09and I'm interested enough to start the fourth quarter, I mean,
02:13I'm not going all the way unless it gets close quick.
02:15I did that with them earlier this postseason and got burned.
02:21Like, I missed some great –
02:22Yeah, I missed a great comeback because I just thought, ah, this is toast.
02:26So I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.
02:28I'm enjoying watching it, so I turned it back on and saw – yeah.
02:32At one point, it's 15, it got back to 20.
02:37In the fourth?
02:38In the fourth quarter, it got back to 20.
02:40Wow.
02:40But that's where I thought maybe I might have nodded off
02:45and then, you know, woke back up again.
02:48What a – just what a scene.
02:52What a scene.
02:54It was – I'm glad I made it.
02:57I'm glad I stayed with it.
02:57No, you got paid off.
02:58Yeah, yeah.
02:59I mean, it was definitely worth every minute of lost sleep.
03:03Well, I don't know if I want to apologize for this,
03:05but I turned it on in the first quarter.
03:08Really, just, you know, let's get a peek at this.
03:11Let my daughter see what Weminyama looks like.
03:14She didn't care.
03:15It didn't seem to – my wife got as far as to say, oh, he's tall.
03:18And then she went back to what she was doing.
03:20Like, nobody cared in my house.
03:21My son's out of town.
03:22So, it was going to be just me.
03:25And I gave it some time.
03:27I got into it.
03:28And the second quarter was a sight to see in how the Spurs just never missed.
03:34I mean, they were making shots from all over the court.
03:37It was kind of a joke.
03:39And that isn't the kind of game – I mean, if I may be like basketball guy for a second
03:43–
03:43that isn't the kind of game where you know that team is going to win.
03:48I mean, there are different kinds of leads in sports.
03:51And if one team is just making all the shots,
03:55there's some chance that they won't keep doing that the whole game.
03:58Go figure.
03:59I got annoyed by the dumb stuff that annoys me.
04:02You know, we had a foul.
04:04There was a play – you were watching it.
04:05There was a play where the Spurs made a three and Weminyama got fouled.
04:11And so, we had to spend, like – it was at least three minutes, I would say,
04:16on whether it was flagrant and, you know, all this time goes by.
04:20They're just showing the same replays over and over and talking.
04:24And, you know, like people are paying how much money to go to this game.
04:28And you just got to sit there and wait for the refs to get done staring at a screen
04:32for maybe one point in the second quarter of a game
04:36where their teams are going to score in the hundreds.
04:39I just hated that.
04:40So, I got so mad.
04:41There was a moment with about three minutes to go.
04:45And I would say, before I make this point, because it turned out not to be true,
04:49but you know how the end of basketball games can go, right?
04:51Like, it's just going to take forever.
04:54And this – the drama was so compelling that it never really felt like that.
04:58But there's a moment where Mike Breen says,
05:00both teams have two timeouts and still have challenges left.
05:04I'm like, that sounds like a threat to me.
05:06That sounds like you're telling me I'm going to be here until midnight.
05:08Are you asking me to turn it off?
05:11Yeah, right.
05:11Is that what you're saying about that?
05:12Are you begging me to just go, ah, I don't want –
05:14but it ended up not being that cumbersome.
05:17It was just so dramatic that I didn't even mind the stoppages,
05:21and there still were a lot of them because I think they used –
05:23there weren't any challenges after he said that, which was –
05:26which was I'm thankful for.
05:28You know, there's the usual timeouts, and frankly, as exciting as it was,
05:32I think I kind of needed the timeouts to sort of like,
05:35oh, my gosh, this is so good.
05:38So I didn't really mind it.
05:39But when he said it, I was like, oh, come on.
05:42I'm going to be here for another 45 minutes.
05:44I mean, I have not – I used to love every sport and watch every sport,
05:49and this is maybe why I didn't always love summer
05:51because a lot of these sports went away that time of year.
05:55But I would watch every – as much as I could of, say, the NBA finals,
05:59NBA playoffs in like the 80s and 90s.
06:02And eventually that kind of – I grew out of that until somehow, you know,
06:08probably doing this.
06:10It's like if you're a casual with a sport, sometimes a friend or, you know,
06:16whatever, Twitter, it comes along like, you've got to see this, though.
06:19I know you're not doing this anymore, but just take a look at this.
06:22And that's been Wim and Yama.
06:23Like, take a look at this guy.
06:24And I haven't done that yet.
06:27But that happened to me with the Warriors in whatever – 2015,
06:33whenever that was, when you've got to watch this.
06:36You've got to watch Curry.
06:37You've got to watch Golden State.
06:38And I did.
06:39And I was so excited about that that the stupid stuff about basketball
06:47did not bother me.
06:48It did not – now, I don't know if they did reviews even then,
06:52at least like last night where the official speaks into the camera.
06:56I mean, just – we just cannot quit that.
06:59I don't know.
07:00It's just never going away.
07:01It's just going to get worse and worse until the end of time.
07:03Whatever it was – I mean, the timeout thing has always been true
07:06about basketball.
07:07And the officiating being so random, like everything's a foul,
07:12but not everything's called a foul.
07:14I always hated that.
07:15But that team hooked me.
07:18And I didn't mind all the stuff that I mind.
07:22And I watched them all the way, as much as I could get,
07:25out of Golden State.
07:25And rooted for them to an extent that maybe didn't make sense.
07:29I've never been a bandwagon fan.
07:31You know, it's a California team against Cleveland.
07:34Like, why am I rooting for Golden – I just did.
07:36Like, that was the team I liked.
07:38So, anyway, that died off.
07:40Then this guy shows up.
07:42And the Knicks story is great, too.
07:43If it's San Antonio against Cleveland, I might not bother.
07:47No offense to Cleveland, Indiana, whoever.
07:49But the Knicks are – it's a 53-year championship drought.
07:54All right.
07:55I'm not above this.
07:57I'll check this out.
07:58But it was like, oh, my God, with these foul calls.
08:01I mean, justify that.
08:02And the Spurs are way ahead, so they couldn't really –
08:05they didn't have a leg to stand on because, I mean, in basketball,
08:08you don't get calls when you're on the road and winning.
08:11Up by 25 before halftime.
08:14And, you know, but I didn't want to be like that.
08:16Yeah.
08:17And I wanted to appreciate it.
08:18And I know how excited most people are about it.
08:21So, I got to halftime, and it was 27.
08:24Yep.
08:24Like, okay, well, I'm all set.
08:27Check, please.
08:28Yeah.
08:28Just 27.
08:29Yep.
08:30And to see – I was still up when the Knicks won the game.
08:33I just saw it on my phone.
08:35And, like, you've got to be kidding me that they won that game.
08:38Yeah.
08:38But, I mean, that's why we love it.
08:42That's great.
08:42Right.
08:43Comebacks – comebacks are –
08:44Comebacks and chokes.
08:46Yes.
08:46Because the Spurs – this guy, Fox.
08:50Like, I'm no expert, so I don't want to, like – you know,
08:52I don't know the guy's career.
08:54I mean, I've read a little about him today because he was –
08:56he was kind of – he's the guy, I think, mostly.
08:59Like, he just threw the ball away and took a bunch of bad shots.
09:03I don't know the bad shots.
09:05They were open shots.
09:05He just missed them is more what it is, I think.
09:08Is he the guy that goes for the layup?
09:10Yes.
09:11It's all him.
09:12Like, he – the only thing he didn't touch was the final sequence,
09:17the inbounds play that goes awry.
09:19That's not him.
09:21And the – oh, no, he abandoned –
09:24He was the guy who didn't cover.
09:25He spun away from – he was covering the inbounds guy.
09:30And then he left him.
09:31Why is his name escaping me?
09:32Zach, the guy that blocked the shot and then tipped in the winning basket.
09:36OG and an OB.
09:37Okay, thank you.
09:39Now say it.
09:40He – Odenobi.
09:41He spills – spins away to double-team Brunson
09:44and leaves that guy unguarded, and then he runs to the basket and tips it in.
09:47So he's, like, at the flashpoint of, like, every mess in the last –
09:52I don't know, even into the third quarter.
09:54Like, he was just – he was turning it over and just very sloppy.
09:58Fox.
09:58Well, he was in on it then.
09:59So, yeah, I don't know, but really, really –
10:01that's why I say, like, yes, full credit, the Knicks made all these shots
10:05and made this dramatic comeback, but, man, the Spurs stepped on a couple of rakes too.
10:11I don't think there can be a historic comeback without the other team participating in it.
10:17Like the Oilers against the Bills.
10:19Right.
10:19You know, I mean, every great comeback has these blunders by the team in the lead.
10:26I mean, what was Houston that day?
10:28It was coverage stuff eventually, but, you know, not recovering the onside kick
10:32and a couple of turnovers maybe.
10:34The field goal, right?
10:35There was a field goal that the holder – Montgomery was his name.
10:39Botched, yeah.
10:39Didn't catch the snap.
10:41Del Greco was the kicker.
10:42I mean, I guess you may need that stuff to pull off historic comebacks.
10:48It's great about the Bills one.
10:50I mean, that's so long ago now, but one thing I love about the Bills comeback
10:56against the Oilers is you have 35-3 into the third quarter.
11:02The first touchdown of the third quarter is a pick six, and so it's 28-3 at halftime.
11:08That's bad.
11:08I did not turn that game off, by the way, but, you know, I wasn't too optimistic.
11:14Then you get into the third quarter.
11:15Lucky you if you were able to watch it.
11:17I watched it – well, I guess I did leave at that point, but I watched it because a friend
11:23of mine worked at Channel 10 in Rochester, you know, the NBC station, and he and I just
11:28watched the game, and he wasn't working.
11:30We watched the game from the back.
11:32But at 35-3, I went back to my dorm because, you know, come on.
11:37You don't want to watch a game like that because that's a game where if you lose your seasons
11:41over, the Bills were in this historic run where they were trying to get to a third straight
11:46Super Bowl, tying the record, and it's going to end – and Kelly's hurt, it's going to
11:51end like this?
11:51Yeah.
11:52I mean, I don't know that I really want to see that.
11:54Anyway, it's so long ago.
11:55But what I do – what I was going to say I love about that is that it is 35
12:00-31 in the
12:01third quarter.
12:02It's not even, you know, late when they pull that off.
12:07It's not that late.
12:08They take the lead, and then Houston ties the game.
12:11But, yeah, I mean, I like that about that, that it just wasn't all completely at the end.
12:16I mean, they get – basically, they make the comeback before the fourth quarter even starts
12:20that day, which is different from last night.
12:23For sure.
12:24If it means anything to anybody.
12:25Yeah, yeah.
12:25I mean, yeah.
12:25I mean, the – I don't know.
12:27It was maybe two minutes in, maybe around the 10-minute mark, the Spurs made a bucket
12:31to get it back to 20.
12:33And I wonder if anybody was like me who saw, like, you know, the halftime score, all right,
12:40you know, leave it over there.
12:42I'll check back in.
12:43Okay, it's 15 now to start the fourth quarter.
12:46I'll go back and watch, and then it gets to 20 again.
12:49You might have just been, all right, I'm out.
12:51But I kind of hung in there.
12:53Um, and, geez, I mean –
12:55Who is the team to root for?
12:57You know, that's just it.
12:59Like, I'm – I like Wembenyama so much.
13:03I don't really know a lot about the rest of the whole Spurs story.
13:07Um –
13:08I know they have three top five picks in a row.
13:11And, yeah, a couple of hotshot rookies.
13:14Um, or just very young guys.
13:16Like, the point guard is real young.
13:18Um, there's another guy that's, like, 20 maybe even.
13:22Um, they've got some – you know, it might not be their time yet.
13:27You know what I mean?
13:27Like, they're – Wembenyama's only – is this only his second year?
13:30Third year.
13:31Third year.
13:31Okay.
13:33Um, so they're really compelling to me.
13:35But I – I've said I – I also like the Knicks story.
13:38Like, it's a – it's a good story.
13:39I don't find them – most New York teams, because of the fan bases maybe to some extent.
13:45It's tough.
13:45Just get too obnoxious for me.
13:47And I just can't stand it.
13:49And I know that's got to be there with the Knicks.
13:52But the fact that it's been so long, I don't know.
13:55I just don't – I find myself treating them differently than I would treat a great New York team, I
14:00guess.
14:02So, that's – I'm sort of bulletproof watching that unfold.
14:06Like, you know, either outcome, I'm going to be all right.
14:09I mostly just wanted a 2-2 series so that I would get more games.
14:14Because the games have been, much like the hockey, very entertaining.
14:18I mean, the Spurs have had double-digit leads in every game of the series.
14:21I mean, you have to bet the Spurs heavily in Game 5, don't you?
14:25Yeah, I think so.
14:26Doesn't the league want this –
14:27Yeah, right.
14:28To not be over already?
14:30Yeah, I would – that's certainly going to be out there.
14:34So, yeah, I don't know who to root for.
14:36I really don't have a horse.
14:40And it's not – I'm not souring on one or the other as it's going on.
14:44Because sometimes that can happen.
14:45Like, these are equals, but I'm watching.
14:47And now, I don't like that.
14:48I didn't like that.
14:49I didn't like that.
14:49Okay, I'm rooting for this team now.
14:52That has not happened here.
14:54I'm just taking it in, and it's great.
14:58I used to like the Knicks, but it is tough to root for New York City, I think.
15:03It doesn't come easily.
15:04Last night, I was enjoying the Spurs dominating the first half.
15:08Like, oh, wow, this is incredible.
15:10Right.
15:11Both things are great.
15:12The crowd being stunned into silence while the Spurs are just hitting every 30-foot shot on the board.
15:19Just, shoom, shoom, shoom, shoom.
15:21This missile's flying.
15:22It was awesome.
15:24And then watching the wave and feeling the wave of emotion as they got close and then eventually took the
15:31lead was fantastic, too.
15:34Like, it's, I don't know, I can't lose, I guess.
15:37As long as it's entertaining.
15:38You know, there's no way that I would have found anything about that compelling other than them shutting the crowd
15:44up if the Spurs won that game by 35.
15:46I wouldn't have even gone back to it.
15:49You know, if I look and it's 25, not 15 to start the fourth quarter, I wouldn't have ever even
15:54turned it back on.
15:55I also don't want to apologize for this, but you've heard, we've talked about this when it even was the
16:00Red Sox 20-plus years ago, the Cubs.
16:04I like droughts as a storyline.
16:07I like that.
16:08I like having that.
16:09It's something to cling to.
16:10I never believed in the curse nonsense for the Red Sox or the Cubs, but with all due respect to
16:18fans, so-called long-suffering fans, you know, it's kind of an interesting thing about baseball that these two historic
16:27franchises can never win and have gotten as close as the Red Sox got and still couldn't win.
16:31I liked that about baseball or just about something to talk about with the sport.
16:38In a day and age, as we get older, it's just more and more like this, where just kind of
16:43random teams that win wildcard berths can get through and win championships.
16:49I like the big stuff like that.
16:51So I never wanted to root for the Cubs or the Red Sox because then it would be over.
16:57It can be.
16:58I've talked about this a lot.
16:59We've covered this, so I won't go long here, but it can be the kind of thing that really sets
17:03the franchise apart.
17:07And as it turns out, I remember you, the day after the Red Sox won in 04, I mean, it's
17:12going way back, you making that point, and I sort of, I'm like, come on.
17:20I don't want to hear that right now.
17:22I know.
17:22But you know what?
17:25I've admitted years later, it probably is the thing about baseball I miss the most.
17:30Not only are you just another team after that, but you're a big money team that when they're in last
17:37place, like right now, it's especially bad.
17:39Like, look away.
17:40Yeah.
17:40Yeah.
17:41For sure.
17:42It's a big part of the reason why I've been as distant from the Red Sox over the last, I
17:47don't know, 20 years as I have been.
17:50One thing that always gets said when we have this conversation is, well, what happens when the Bills win or
17:55the Sabres?
17:56And like, are we just done with it?
17:59And I don't know.
18:00I'm not ruling that out.
18:01I mean, that's the most interesting thing to me about them and about the Bills and Sabres together is that
18:07never have they won a championship.
18:09I mean, since the 60s, but never have they won one championship.
18:14And every year you have this added element of interest and excitement because this could be the one.
18:23Unlike almost every other team that they play against, they're still looking for that one.
18:30And I don't root against them so that that continues, but it does make it more interesting every year when
18:38they still haven't done it yet.
18:40And, you know, that's obviously still the case.
18:44So, there's that with the Knicks, but that doesn't really get me to root for them.
18:48Enough people to do that.
18:50Enough people to root for them.
18:50They don't need me.
18:51Right.
18:52You know?
18:55But you'll want to see it if they do it.
18:58Yeah, I think so.
18:59And, like, last night to me is the kind of game that if – because there's a lot – I've
19:07got friends who I think I would describe as being basketball fans, maybe even big basketball fans.
19:14And I hear a little more, I can't watch it anymore.
19:19The style of the game, right?
19:21There's no post-play.
19:22It's all, like, just bombing threes.
19:25And that, like, people maybe my age, around our age, sort of feel – this is maybe a little bit
19:32of the Warriors' point.
19:33I feel like they sort of ushered this era in to – they weren't first to it, but still.
19:38The value of the three versus the two and all that.
19:42I think there's people that used to really love basketball that won't turn it on.
19:45I feel like last night would be a game that, despite all the three-pointers, you could still sort of,
19:50you know, wow, I missed this.
19:52You know, this is really great.
19:53Those people tend to be very stubborn and not necessarily sound like they're ready to give it another chance.
20:00But I don't know.
20:01Yeah, you know, incredible story.
20:0429 points down in the finals.
20:06That had never happened.
20:07Right.