00:00It's Thursday. It's 820. Mary Kay Cabot joins us right now on the Wise Heart Right. We make it right.
00:05Call Kyle Wright Hotline. Hello, Mary Kay.
00:08Hello, guys. How you doing?
00:09Doing wonderful. It's good to talk to you here. Limba just got me all worked up, upset. Let's just go
00:14down to it here. Let's get down to the brass tacks.
00:18Stop laughing. It ain't funny. Is Deshaun Watson letting this job slip away or is Shador Sanders taking it from
00:27him?
00:29Well, I don't know if he's taking it from him, but he's making it a competition, Shador is.
00:34And I think that's good. I think that's good for both guys. Competition brings out the best in everyone.
00:39And it's probably good for Deshaun to have somebody nipping at his heel so that he continues to keep the
00:49pedal to the metal and get better and better and realize that he has to earn this job, too, just
00:55like Shador would.
00:56So I understand where Todd is going with this. I don't necessarily agree with it.
01:02I mean, I think if he does feel that he has his guy, he should start training camp with, you
01:09know, sort of a known QB1, at least internally.
01:12And I also think during the five-week summer break, it just would help everyone to kind of know who
01:18to rally behind, who to get behind, and to get everybody pulling in one direction.
01:23Well, that's interesting about the slight Todd criticism.
01:28Mary Kay joining us right now.
01:29I know you weren't coming in guns a blazing saying you were going to let him know that he's doing
01:34this wrong.
01:34But I've been kind of of the mindset that, hey, look, if they're this close or one has not really
01:41emerged, then what's the rush?
01:43I mean, they're not even really getting a real pass rush yet.
01:46They're not in jeopardy of getting hit.
01:48They're not even wearing pads.
01:50And I thought it was going to be hard for either of them to really look on a different level
01:56than the other.
01:58So I thought, why not take our time here and really have more time to examine this?
02:04Well, I'm sure that's the wisdom behind Todd Munkin's decision to carry this thing into training camp.
02:11And to Shador's credit, he's worked so hard over the past couple of weeks that he has kind of brought
02:19himself a little bit from behind.
02:21Because Deshaun was ahead in the early going, even though no one was ever willing to really state that publicly.
02:26Actually, Deshaun started out this competition a little bit in the lead by virtue of his three Pro Bowls and
02:32his sort of mastery of the Todd Munkin offensive concepts, the fact that he's taken teams to playoffs and things
02:39like that.
02:40So a healthy Deshaun Watson was in the lead, and Shador just refused to be denied.
02:46And I think that's good.
02:47That's what you want to see from your second-year quarterback.
02:51That's exactly what you want to see.
02:53So now we'll have to see how it goes once they get to camp.
02:57But the thing to remember here is that it will be very, very difficult to really, truly evaluate either quarterback
03:06until they're in live action.
03:09And even preseason games are fool's gold to a certain extent.
03:13You can be a preseason star, and then when you get to the games and people are game planning for
03:18you and taking away your strengths and, you know, working all week to make sure that they neutralize you, you
03:25know, that's when you have to rise to the occasion.
03:28So we just probably haven't seen the end of this for a while.
03:31Mary Kay Cabot joining us here on the Wise Heart Right.
03:33We make it right.
03:34Call Kyle Wright hotline.
03:35Yeah, we remember that Brandon Whedon game against the Lions in the preseason.
03:38You remember that tone?
03:39I was like, wasn't we sitting together for a little bit of that game?
03:41Yeah, absolutely we were.
03:42And things went straight to hell.
03:44Well, you know, Mary Kay, I'm a little bit torn here.
03:47I mean, I'm just a tortured soul.
03:49Where I'm getting what I want, it seems, that Chidor has jumped right back into this.
03:54There's a possibility he could start the season.
03:57But then I'm getting reports of them struggling.
03:59Have they both struggled, you're saying?
04:02Because there's been so many people who have said, ah, guys, both these guys are struggling here.
04:08Have they both struggled to you?
04:11Well, at times.
04:12Okay.
04:14At times they've both looked very good.
04:16And at times they've both struggled.
04:18Okay.
04:18And also the thing to remember is, you know, we don't know exactly.
04:23When they go back to the film room and review the film, we don't know who's going to the right
04:29place,
04:29who's going through their progressions quickly enough, who's releasing the ball.
04:34There are a lot of things that go into this evaluation.
04:38And, you know, you might see a great long bomb, but maybe what you didn't see was a defender pulling
04:46up on the other end to make sure that, you know,
04:48I mean, that would have been a stack in a game, obviously.
04:50So, you know, it's very difficult when they are at this stage in no pads with no real pass rush
04:59to determine who would do a better job when the fur is flying.
05:04So, I think that Todd Munkin and his staff, they've got a tall order in front of them.
05:10Well, and that might be my issue is that, you know, I do want Shador to start week one, but
05:16also I don't want to do wrong by a young quarterback where I don't want to put him out there
05:21just to put him out there and him not be ready to take over this offense.
05:25Like, a lot has changed.
05:26I mean, hearing Deshaun Watson, so much has changed about the type of quarterback he needs to be.
05:31When I heard that audio from him yesterday when you guys were meeting with him, and then I just think
05:36about everything that's happened over the last 24 months, or really over the last 15 months, I should say,
05:43with Shador Sanders here, where it's like, man, like, that is a, you're always, it seems like he's always behind
05:49the eight ball.
05:50And I don't think it might be the best spot if he's actually struggling to put him out there week
05:55one, because I think it's easier to move on from Watson to Shador than it is vice versa.
06:01Well, I think some of the things to remember as we move through this quarterback competition, it's a very, very
06:07young offense, very young.
06:09And they will have probably two rookies starting on the offensive line and five new offensive linemen.
06:15And someone has to be able to call all of those protections, get everyone lined up properly, manage the motions,
06:22make sure that young receivers are in the right place, call the right audibles, and then, of course, go to
06:28the right place with the football, make the right reads.
06:31And if Shador can demonstrate that he's ready to do all of those things on a very, very young and
06:37brand new offense, then he has a shot to still go out there and start.
06:43But that's the key. It's not making gorgeous, long passes in a no-pad practice.
06:50It's demonstrating to Todd Munkin that you can do everything that you need to do to operate this offense efficiently.
06:58And as Deshaun told us yesterday, they put a lot on the quarterbacks.
07:02This is a very QB-driven offense where the quarterback has a ton of responsibility when he's out there.
07:10And so you have to show that you can handle that.
07:13And if Shador can do all of that as a second-year quarterback in a brand new offense with a
07:18lot of young guys around him, then he'll stay in this competition.
07:22So, Mary Kay, this has nothing to do with who's throwing the ball better, the mechanics, who's handling the adjustments
07:28at the line of scrimmage or taking the coaching in.
07:30And this is something different that I'm so curious about.
07:33I'm always told that, you know, whether it's a point guard for an NBA team, how they conduct themselves, right,
07:4324-7.
07:44I love hearing about quarterbacks and the expectation of what a quarterback is supposed to be.
07:49And, you know, I heard both talk yesterday, and I praised both Shador and Deshaun for certain elements of, you
07:58know, how they're conducting themselves in what is a competition.
08:01And normally we're taught that it's supposed to be like what Kyler Murray and McCarthy are going through, where it
08:07is a competition.
08:08I mean, there's no doubt.
08:10And so we're examining how those guys are handling themselves.
08:12What did you think of yesterday?
08:14What do you think Todd wants?
08:15Because I did say as we get closer to the season starting in training camp, I wonder if Todd wants
08:22to see more of a competitive spirit in how these guys are handling themselves.
08:27And yesterday it seemed like they were very buddy-buddy.
08:31Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all, that they're very buddy-buddy.
08:36I mean, these guys are supporting each other.
08:38You don't want a quarterback competition to be divisive in any way.
08:43And I actually thought when I led my Shador story with the fact that he doesn't want them to do
08:49two separate quarterback workouts in the summer break.
08:54He said, you know, we're a team.
08:56And I thought that was good.
08:57And then Deshaun, who has always gotten plenty of support from the Sanders family and mentored Shador all of last
09:05season and helped him get ready to play, he was very, very complimentary of Shador.
09:11So I think that's good.
09:12This doesn't need to be contentious.
09:13It doesn't need to be a fierce battle where it's dividing the team.
09:18Nobody can have that.
09:19If that were the case, then they probably would have to wrap it up sooner.
09:25No, no, no.
09:26Well, the only thing I was wondering, I'm sorry, Ken.
09:28The only thing I'm wondering is that I went through different examples of quarterbacks.
09:34And Tom Brady, yes, he was the guy.
09:38But he also, at times, guys on the team hated his guts.
09:42I don't see that out of Shador or even Deshaun.
09:45I know some fans feel differently.
09:47But I don't see that out of either of these guys.
09:49Do you think Todd Munkin wants to see a little bit of that taking command by a different type of
09:55leadership where you're not the most popular guy in the team?
09:58You're the guy telling guys where they need to be on every play and sometimes having to tell guys, hey,
10:03that was wrong.
10:05You're doing it wrong.
10:06Like, are either of these guys capable of that right now?
10:10I think both of these guys are capable of that.
10:12I've seen that from both of them.
10:13Absolutely 100%.
10:15And Shador, even though he's only a second-year quarterback, he's been doing that since way back early on last
10:22year, getting guys lined up and doing all of those kinds of things.
10:24It's just a matter of can you operate that offense efficiently when you need to when the speed is up
10:33and the rush is on and all of those kinds of things.
10:35You have to be able to do it in that split second in the heat of the moment.
10:39You can't be holding on to the ball.
10:41And that's one of the things that Shador is going to have to speed it up a little bit.
10:45But that should come with time once he gets the offense assimilated a little bit more.
10:50But he is an empirical learner.
10:53He goes out and he puts it on the grass.
10:55And that's when he gets better and better.
10:57And that's, I think, why he's still in this competition because he started to improve about two weeks ago.
11:03You could see the lights coming on more and more with him.
11:06Mary Kay Cabot joining us here.
11:08What do we do with this whole Brendan Soresby conversation?
11:12Do you think that they've considered him at all if he ends up going to a supplemental draft?
11:16It seems that he won't.
11:17But now they're trying to do everything they can to make Texas Tech as uncomfortable as possible with playing him.
11:25Well, the Browns have plenty of intel on Brendan Soresby already.
11:30They did a lot, a lot of work on him heading into the 2025 draft because there was a chance
11:36that he was going to be in it.
11:37So they already have a book on him from that standpoint.
11:40And if he enters the supplemental draft, then they just have to update their profile on him.
11:48But I think that with Todd Munkin saying what he said about it being a slippery slope, I think that
11:54was probably pretty telling.
11:55They've probably had some internal discussions and decided that at this point in time, that might not be where they
12:03want to go.
12:03And I do think that they would be best served by turning the temperature down in their quarterback room.
12:09They always have just a very, very loud situation at quarterback.
12:16It's never just kind of calm and easy.
12:19So I just don't know if you would want to throw that log onto the fire.
12:23Can I, well, can I throw another thing at you here?
12:27Sure.
12:28Can I just, can I, can we almost guarantee, can I guarantee Todd Munkin's job going into next year?
12:34Because I hate the conversation that's surrounded over the last week after the Miles Garrett trade.
12:39And I, I don't like that at all because I'm thinking about the other young guys here.
12:43I mean, I know you're talking about cooling off the, the, the temperature in the QB room.
12:46I agree with you, but when it comes to the other young guys, I mean, we've got second year guys
12:49that, that have some promise at some other positions, Mary Kay.
12:52And it's like, man, that would be three different messages in three different years.
12:55It's very easy to get negative about this.
12:57We just talked to one of the all-time great Cleveland Browns in, in, in, in Joel, and Joel Batonio.
13:02Like, there's a lot that this guy has to come in and deal with here.
13:08And I think we're just starting to get our act together in other positions.
13:10And I just don't want to do anything silly.
13:14Well, I think it's ridiculous to start that conversation at this point.
13:17Well, thank you.
13:18No, I don't, I don't see anything like that happening.
13:20This is a very, very young team, but a talented team.
13:23And it's going to take a while to pull it together this year.
13:26And there's a, I think a significant amount of pressure on Todd Munkin to get this offense operational for the
13:36first few weeks of the season.
13:38It's not going to be easy to do that when you have so many young guys.
13:42So I do think it's not that he's going to get any kind of a pass on that, but I
13:47do think there will be some recognition that this is a completely, completely overhauled offense.
13:54And it will have a learning curve early on.
13:57Like, one of the things that I think people are going to have to hold me to the fire for
13:59this year is, like, I did say to Lyman, I mean it.
14:01Like, if I don't see a lot of pre-snap penalties, if I don't see a lot of stupid things,
14:05like Todd Munkin has described, it's like, all right, let's see where this season goes and let's see what we
14:10can do for the future.
14:11Because I just hate the whole David Cully comparison just because they're both in their 60s.
14:16And if Houston wanted to go ahead and do something stupid, that's fine.
14:20That's Houston.
14:20I don't need to be doing stupid things.
14:21I like this guy and I want to see him succeed.
14:23Mary Kay, thank you very much for the time.
14:25I'm sorry for my terse nature here.
14:28I'm still working to do a shoot.
14:30All right, we love you.
14:30Thank you so much.
14:32Thank you, guys.
14:33Oh, and then I accidentally did that.
14:35I accidentally hit the button.
14:36Oh, man, Ken, what a rough day.
14:40It's not going how I wanted it.
14:41I'm going to tell you that right now.
14:43Not going how I wanted it.
14:44I'm sorry, Mary Kay.
14:47What do you got to say for yourself?
14:49Well, you know, Mary Kay kind of took issue with Todd Munkin about the handling of all of this
14:57and whether or not it was going to be wrapped up.
14:59But she admitted that Shador has closed the gap, but neither of them have elevated themselves
15:05to a point where it's like clear who the starting quarterback should be.
15:09I think you might have a point there.
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