00:00Yeah, they don't know.
00:01They haven't seen the dimes.
00:02You haven't either.
00:03They have not.
00:03They called you out of the afternoon show about it.
00:05At least I saw the dimes live in person.
00:08I have relied on my eyes and ears that have been there.
00:12You have no eyes that are there.
00:14Or ears, actually.
00:15You didn't hear nothing in that building.
00:18After I saw what Jonathan Pierland called a great throw and a dime,
00:22and I saw a ball that looked like an end-over-end punt,
00:26where a receiver had to come back four yards, catch the ball,
00:28roll into the end zone five yards.
00:30Apparently it was a very windy day in Berea, even though it was not windy at all.
00:34It was a fine enough pass.
00:35I don't know.
00:36Maybe being there doesn't really help some of the guys.
00:39It was a fair enough pass.
00:40It was not a dime.
00:41I won't say it's a dime.
00:42I'm not saying it's a dime.
00:44I'm saying did the job get done?
00:46And, again, we can't call, again, seven on sevens.
00:49There's no such thing as a dime.
00:50The throws are supposed to be on a guy.
00:52In a real game, was it a touchdown?
00:55No, that would have never gotten there.
00:56In the real game, was that a touchdown?
00:58He held the ball too long.
00:59In a real football game, is that a touchdown?
01:01He did not hold the ball too long on that play.
01:02His receiver was wide open.
01:03No, he did not hold the ball too long on that play.
01:04Wait, in one case he came back?
01:05No, no, no.
01:06Now you're making things up.
01:07He held on to the ball.
01:07He did not hold it.
01:08I asked three different guys over there, and they said that was one that Todd Munkin would 100% go
01:14back
01:14and go, why are you holding on to the ball too long?
01:17So don't act like that is not an issue for him.
01:19No, I didn't say it wasn't an issue for him.
01:21They're both holding on to the ball a little bit long.
01:22But don't sit there and act like he held on the ball too long on that.
01:24I don't believe that he did.
01:25He was wide open immediately.
01:26Okay, he was wide open immediately, but it doesn't mean that he saw him immediately.
01:29Well, right.
01:30That's the problem.
01:31He's not seeing him.
01:32None of our quarterbacks are seeing anybody.
01:34Sometimes you don't see him.
01:35Would it have been a touchdown?
01:36Would it have been a touchdown?
01:37All last year.
01:38Would it or would it have not been a touchdown?
01:39No.
01:40Never in a real game.
01:41You're just denying reality now.
01:44You're as...
01:45What?
01:45Our new segment called Dimes and Disses.
01:47You are every bit as bad as the people you claim are unrealistic every day.
01:53Okay, well, we'll see.
01:54You are every bit as offbeat as all the people you're obsessed with every day.
01:58I will label this one.
02:00And derail the show for.
02:01A diss.
02:02I have to say...
02:06BuffFans6969 lives rent-free in Lima's head, and now he's just as unrealistic.
02:10It is funny, though.
02:11I will listen to the afternoon show and then circle back with people that I have a lot of
02:17trust in, and they'll go, I don't know what they're watching.
02:19I don't know what they're watching.
02:20Coach MacFan6969 sits in Lima's...
02:25Ralphie6969 just lives in Lima's front orbital bone, and he can't get him out of the head.
02:31But who's being unrealistic now?
02:33Every completion is a dime.
02:35It seems kind of a desperate attempt to try to make something seem like something
02:39that it clearly is not by anybody who knows what they're talking about.
02:42There's four people that are on the air in the afternoon and in the morning, and there's
02:46only one that seems to have any grip on reality anymore.
02:48When you listen to one show, you'd think it was Steve Young versus Joe Montana out there,
02:53and it's going to be a tough decision for Bill Walsh.
02:55Zach's one of the most mean-spirited people I've ever been around, and if Zach calls a
02:58throw a dime, it's a dime.
03:00I'm going to tell you that right now.
03:01What I was saying is I don't think we should call seven-on-seven throws where there's really
03:07no pass rush, a dime, because that should be expected.
03:10Zach's own son could play quarterback, and he'd be nasty to him.
03:13That's true.
03:14You know what we should call this?
03:16What?
03:17Our training camp coverage.
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03:23We just fight each other on what's a dime, what's not a dime.
03:26It does have to be some sort of medium ground from, hey, that was an awesome, awesome throw
03:34to it was a terrible throw, because right now we're just calling everything a dime if
03:37they're completed, because we're so not used to completed passes.
03:42I saw one dime.
03:44I've seen a bunch of mossings.
03:46That's not a dime.
03:46I saw one.
03:48That makes a Herculean effort to go catch a ball.
03:50That disqualifies.
03:52We all agree on this, right?
03:53I agree with you.
03:54And then people say, well, no, they put it only where the receiver would get.
03:57And that's not what we're talking about.
03:59That's not what you're talking about.
04:00I can't believe I'm agreeing with you, but I am with you.
04:03Tylan Wallace made a great catch the other day that, if you wanted to say it was a mossing,
04:08it was not a dime.
04:09Right.
04:10It disqualifies it from being considered a dime.
04:12Yes, it was a guy who made a great catch on a ball, and everything was completed.
04:15The pass to Gage Larviday and the pass after, that was a dime.
04:20I liked it.
04:21But what I'm saying is that people are so dug in right now that they feel like they have
04:27to call things dimes so that they can say, that was a dime.
04:30That was a dime.
04:31That guy's straight out dealing.
04:32That's a dime.
04:33And just to support the quarterback that they want, when I think if you went around the league
04:40and looked at a lot of the stuff that you're seeing in camps, you'd have to be honest.
04:46Our quarterbacks are way behind.
04:47They just are.
04:49Well, yeah, they're new in a new offense.
04:51Yeah.
04:52And there's only two of them that it's somewhat of an excuse for.
04:55Right.
04:56I agree.
04:57I'm glad you brought this up.
04:58You read a tweet to me during a break, right before we were going to bring on, was it,
05:02oh, it was around the AFC North, where you mentioned the design runs,
05:06which would show there's one guy who they would maybe design runs for.
05:10And you asked me about his mobility.
05:12And I said, I don't care if he can't get, like, Lamar Jackson is a mobile quarterback, obviously.
05:17But if Lamar Jackson can't tell a defense or read a defense, Lamar Jackson ain't playing.
05:23Am I the only one who's living in reality here on this station anymore?
05:27No offense to Jake or the guys in the midday.
05:30I mean, for the love of God.
05:31Excuse me.
05:32No.
05:32Owen and I are the only ones who seem to be living in reality anymore.
05:35I think you are, but sometimes I'm not sure if you're trolling or you just got insane
05:39because of the people in your mentions every day.
05:42Like, you asked me about Watson running.
05:45And somebody, so Ken just wants to lose football.
05:48What was the answer from a guy named Brandon on social media for you before you get to the phones
05:51and everything else?
05:52Basically insinuating that why wouldn't you want to use the quarterback?
05:56If both quarterbacks look bad, why wouldn't you want to use the guy that can run the football
06:01and at least it makes the defense account for something?
06:03Yeah, if the guy who's running the football still doesn't know what the hell to do with it
06:05and they ain't going to help me, he's just going to run himself into more problems.
06:07And he's going to run himself into getting injured.
06:09I need a guy who has a knowledge of the offense and I need a guy who has a knowledge
06:12of being
06:12able to break down a defense and being able to continue to learn as they show you different
06:18formations, different fronts, I should say, and show you different looks, being able to
06:22break that down.
06:22This isn't, it's the same stuff as it's been for a long time.
06:26Like, it isn't rocket science in so many ways.
06:29It's hard stuff to learn.
06:30There's a lot of people out there, but it's not rocket science.
06:33And the base of it, of knowing what a guy should know, that has not changed.
06:38It has not changed.
06:40The athleticism of the position has changed, clearly.
06:44The coaching has changed, clearly.
06:46The type of people who play it has changed, clearly.
06:49But the love of God, man, it's still, hey, do you know the offense or do you not know
06:52the offense?
06:53Do they trust you to conduct the offense or do they not?
06:55Like, it's some of the same stuff.
06:57And nobody, no coach on earth, whether it be in peewee football in the Muni League in
07:03Cleveland or whether it be with the Cleveland Browns, wants to stick a quarterback out there
07:07who doesn't know what the hell's going on around him.
07:09It's nuts.
07:10It's absolutely nuts.
07:12So Deshaun Watson can run a 3-9-40 for all I care.
07:16If he don't know where guys are supposed to go, he's going to run himself into trouble
07:20and we're going to lose some games.
07:22Or a lot of them.
07:24And we may lose them all with everybody.
07:27It's still a team that, yes, I believe that you will be in the playoffs in two years.
07:33You've got to get the quarterback position, right?
07:35That's the whole point of this thing.
07:37Because you've got good players on this team.
07:38You hope the coach is right, too, right?
07:40Like, we've never seen Tom Huckin coach a football game before.
07:43You've got to get that right.
07:44That's true.
07:44He could mess this whole thing up.
07:46But, like, damn, man, this ain't that crazy.
07:50And we've just got so many people.
07:51Just there's a line in the sand and so many people are jumping on either side.
07:55It's like, hey, man.
07:56Like, yeah, everybody knows who I want to start the season as the quarterback and wants to win the job.
08:02I'm just willing to accept reality if it comes my way.
08:06So, we're going to find out more as time goes on.
08:09But I'm going to tell you right now, as of August 5th, if I had a game I had to
08:13go out and play on August 6th that counted,
08:15I'm playing Shador Sanders.
08:18Because the guy who's supposed to be ahead of him ain't doing enough to hold on to the job.
08:22And really is not separating himself like a former first-round pick should.
08:28Because any one of these other guys with nine years in, even with the injury history and all that other
08:32crap,
08:33they would separate themselves from the other two.
08:35Can we admit that?
08:36It's why...
08:37For the love of God.
08:38It's why you and I never really thought that he was going to be ever playing.
08:42You and I thought Deshaun Watson was never going to be quarterback again.
08:47And it's under this weird set of circumstances that he's still even on the football team.
08:51And, hey, I guess if he's in the room and healthy, fine, give him a chance.
08:55But at what point do they bail on it?
08:57You know, how bad would it have to be once, you know, we really get into the thick of it?
09:01Like, they're both going to get, right?
09:02The news was yesterday.
09:03They're both going to get one regular season start.
09:07Excuse me, preseason start.
09:08Mm-hmm.
09:09Right?
09:09And then they're going to determine what they're going to do for...
09:12Their version of the dress rehearsal is not going to be the same as anybody else's.
09:15We are going to treat the preseason like a Super Bowl for all three games.
09:18And they're going to win six games this year.
09:20And this whole thing is going to feel like the biggest complete waste of time ever.
09:23Well, think about it.
09:24They're already going up against the backups for Chicago, right?
09:27We're going to play our starters.
09:28They're going to play the backups.
09:29Isn't that right?
09:31Yeah.
09:32So, hey, if any of them look good against Chicago, we're going to say...
09:36We've got to put it in context, Kenny.
09:38Just saying.
09:39The buzzword of the week.
09:40But if they look good against Chicago, does anybody even care that it's against the backups?
09:45We've got to seem good against somebody.
09:48I guess that's a step forward either way.
09:50It doesn't really mean anything once the season starts.
09:52But somebody's got to look good against backups for another team.
09:57And now everybody's accusing me of calling this pass a dime.
09:59I did not say the long pass to Casey Conception was a dime.
10:04Listen to what I'm saying.
10:05Listen to what I mentioned.
10:05Listen to what I'm saying.
10:05Bye.
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