00:00I want to state full clarity that these can be unfair times.
00:04Oh, God. I don't know what you're doing, so off we go.
00:07And it's important to note, but we have the 2026 Mike Sando QB Tears
00:18and folks, not one, but two Browns cracked the list.
00:24Don't care to think we have the worst quarterback room in football.
00:27Dylan Gabriel's not on the list, huh?
00:29He didn't make this list.
00:31Maybe he didn't qualify? I don't know.
00:33Didn't play enough games?
00:34Okay. Go ahead. Continue. What were you going to say?
00:37Okay, do you want to start out at the top where Patrick Mahomes beat out Josh Allen
00:41and Matthew Stafford?
00:43I don't like that Joe Burrow's in tier one.
00:45I'm surprised he's still fourth.
00:49You think he should be lower?
00:52Fourth?
00:52Lower, right?
00:53In a different tier.
00:55Yes, lower tier.
00:57I'm making sure.
00:58He's fourth, but he's got to be able to play, right?
01:03That's got to factor.
01:04Yeah, when he's healthy.
01:05When he's healthy.
01:06Got to play it.
01:07When he's healthy, he's as good as anybody.
01:10Yeah.
01:10But he doesn't stay healthy.
01:12Anyway, I even wondered if Lamar Jackson was still a little too high.
01:18He's fifth.
01:20Well, that's the beauty of all this, is that we can ask Bob Haney, 105.7 The Fan in Baltimore,
01:25coming up at 8 o'clock, when we go around the AFC North.
01:28All right.
01:29So, come on.
01:30Baker Mayfield, 14.
01:31Oh, he's slow playing it.
01:32Tied with Sam Darnold.
01:33So, Sam Darnold won a Super Bowl.
01:35I have said numerous times on this station that Baker Mayfield will never win a Super Bowl.
01:40And yet, he's tied with Sam Darnold, the Super Bowl winner.
01:46I think I know where you're going with this.
01:48Jalen Hurts won a Super Bowl.
01:49He's 17th.
01:50Boat Knicks all the way down to 18?
01:53Mm-hmm.
01:54Is that where he belongs?
01:57I don't think he's weird.
01:59I don't think he's a net negative, but I just don't find him to be like,
02:03man, this game is, it's going to come down to QBs, and I'm taking Bo Knicks.
02:09Am I wrong on that?
02:11You watch AFC West.
02:12Except for had they had him in the AFC Championship game, they're probably in the Super Bowl.
02:16They might be in the Super Bowl.
02:17Yeah.
02:19It's a weird, weird time in professional football right now.
02:21We've got C.J. Stroud plummet.
02:23Now, remember, we talked a lot about Kyler Murray.
02:25He's still 23rd, so we could have had the 23rd best quarterback if you wanted him.
02:31I know you didn't really want him.
02:32No.
02:33Then we get to the guys going into their second year.
02:36Here we go.
02:38Jackson Dart at number 24.
02:41Cam Ward, 25.
02:43Tyler Shook, 26.
02:44Basically, the pundits are saying these guys still way too early and all clumped together.
02:50Hey, Malik Willis.
02:52He was a subject of conversation.
02:54All right, come on.
02:54I know what you're doing here.
02:55Come on.
02:56Hold on.
02:57The list keeps going.
02:57I have to scroll to other pages.
03:01Then we've got Deshaun Watson, your first Cleveland Brown.
03:06Clock it in.
03:07Shaking off the rust at number 31 overall.
03:12Kenny, he was routinely around 4, 5, 6, 7 in the quarter.
03:18The Mike Sando tears back in the day.
03:19Back in the day.
03:20I now can say.
03:21Back in the day.
03:21Back in the day.
03:22So would Otto Graham had been back in the day had those things existed.
03:26Before Deshaun Watson.
03:27Back when he was wearing the leather helmets, Deshaun Watson was in that.
03:30I think Otto Graham has just as good a chance as resurrecting his career as Deshaun Watson does at this
03:35point.
03:35Then we've got Michael Penix Jr. at 32.
03:39Enjoy that, Kevin Stefanski.
03:40At number 33, we've got, oh, by the way, massive injury for the Atlanta Falcons yesterday.
03:47Number 33, Jacoby Brissett.
03:5034, J.J. McCarthy.
03:53And there were 35 names in this year's Mike Sando.
03:58Celebrated, vaunted quarterback tears.
04:00And number 35 is Shador Sanders.
04:03Who's 36th?
04:04It ends at 35.
04:06Oh, geez.
04:07There are no more quarterbacks listed.
04:09I know 64 played last year.
04:12We had four of them, didn't we?
04:15Three of them?
04:15All right.
04:17Well, I think it's sobering.
04:19I really do.
04:22Does Mike Sando and all the different persons on the league, do they lack critical thinking?
04:26Well, these are, well, wait a minute.
04:28Well, you guys just, you guys can't let each other go.
04:31I just want to make sure.
04:32Guys, you guys need each other like people need air, like fish need water.
04:37You and Nick just need each other right now.
04:40All right.
04:40So, I think there was a bit of a revelation.
04:44And do you want to hear, do you care to hear the comments?
04:48There's not a ton of them on how they ended up putting Shador Sanders.
04:53I didn't see the comments.
04:54I did notice a different thing where they let you actually get interactive with the tears this time.
05:00One offensive coach.
05:01Remember, these are all under the cloak of anonymity.
05:05No current professionals in the sport are going to put their name on any of this because that would be
05:10the end of the quarterback tears.
05:12If Shador has really invested in himself, there might be some upside, said one offensive coach.
05:18If he did what?
05:20If he has really invested in himself, there might be some upside.
05:25So does that.
05:26There you go.
05:26That's a positive.
05:28Well, hold on.
05:29Does that mean he hasn't been?
05:32I think they just mean if he puts the work in.
05:35Some of the quotes here are outrageous.
05:37So go right on ahead.
05:38It's not that Sandoz is making them up.
05:41I'm sure he's being accused of making up these quotes by some people, but he's not making them up.
05:46So continue.
05:47All right.
05:47So Sanders gets his shot under Munkin, although without any guarantees, he'll be the start in week one or any
05:52time thereafter.
05:53Of course, that's what we are battling right now in camp every day.
05:56Quote, Todd Munkin is a great reset in the same way Ben Johnson was a great reset in Chicago.
06:00So if you'd like to hear that, this voter and offensive coach said,
06:04Shador gets a fresh start with a no-nonsense, offense-oriented coach who did a really good job of Lamar
06:09Jackson.
06:10All right.
06:12I'm on board.
06:13Are you on board?
06:13Yeah.
06:14I'm on board.
06:15The key, this voter said, will be for Sanders to attack his second season with a mindset he didn't seem
06:21to possess as a rookie.
06:24I don't know what they're talking about there.
06:27Then the invested comment is in here.
06:29And then here's a little more they expounded on.
06:32Studying the playbook and knowing his assignments and being able to get the offense in and out of the huddle
06:36at an efficient clip, which he could not do last year.
06:40Then there might be some upside, the voters said.
06:42So that's somebody who broke down the film and noticed that he wasn't really able to do that, I guess.
06:47Please clarify again who the voters consist of.
06:50Oh, well, I got to go all the way back because this is yet another year of the 13th year
06:58in the survey, by the way.
07:00This panel this year consisted of eight general managers, five assistant GMs, five former GMs, three other executives, plus nine
07:07head coaches, ten defensive coordinators, five current head coaches.
07:10It says nine head coaches, ten defensive coordinators, five offensive coordinators, two offensive assistants, one defensive assistant, and two coaches
07:19specializing in analytics slash game management.
07:2221 execs, 29 coaches overall.
07:27This is the gold standard of the quarterback tiers.
07:29Am I right?
07:32Yeah, it is.
07:33Okay.
07:34We look forward to them every year, and here they are.
07:37Sanders was one of 37 QBs to start at least seven games last season and ranked last among them in
07:42EPA per pass play right behind McCarthy and Ward.
07:45He's inaccurate at all three levels, an exec said.
07:48I can't tell if he is going to get better, but there's a huge gap between him and competent quarterback
07:53play.
07:53A dozen voters play Sanders in Tier 5.
07:56I'd sleep like a baby if I got to play him every week.
07:59One defensive coordinator said another defensive coordinator offered more specifics.
08:03He's not an on-time player, can't really read through the coverages.
08:07He's a little bit heavy-footed, this coordinator said.
08:09He's thicker and harder to tackle than expected.
08:12Okay.
08:13But you shouldn't lose to him.
08:15One head coach sounded relatively positive.
08:16Here you go.
08:17So you've been waiting for it, Kenny.
08:19I thought he was all right, better than expected.
08:20That's what I said, by the way, after seeing him last year.
08:23That's from a coach.
08:24Yeah, but this guy doesn't have his name on it.
08:26At least you have your comments with your name every day.
08:29They did a good job with him of making the game simple, and I thought Shador played with a chip
08:33on his shoulder.
08:35So maybe that's more credit to Stefanski there.
08:38Said he made it simple for him.
08:40Okay.
08:41Hey, that's a – so this has got to be sobering to the hardcore Shador Sanders fan that might be
08:51listening right now.
08:52You think it would be?
08:54Yeah, I would hope it would be.
08:55Because that's not what I'm seeing.
08:56Well, that's – I can't – well, I'm not going to sit there.
09:00I told you, we have to deal in common sense here.
09:04Again, I was told, like, I can't believe you've turned on Shador.
09:07I go, I didn't turn on anything.
09:09I want him to start.
09:10We both said we want him to win the competition.
09:11I want him to – like, it's weird.
09:13I know I have a much better bedside manner than you.
09:16I want him to win the job.
09:18It doesn't mean I will not accept Deshaun Watson or even Dylan Gabriel winning the job.
09:24I really don't want to accept Dylan Gabriel winning the job or Deshaun Watson winning it,
09:27but fine, I'll have to do that.
09:31It is – I think it needs to be sobering.
09:34Like, this is what the league thinks of him.
09:37And so this conversation of if he doesn't get the job, the Browns are screwing him,
09:43he needs to be traded, he needs to ask for a release, we need to get him to a better
09:48place.
09:50Guys, this is what the league thinks of this guy.
09:55Like, we think much higher of him than they do.
10:00And then they have their – this is weird.
10:02They have their own survey, and this is why I get a little bit – I don't know what your
10:06theory is,
10:07but this is why I get a little bit nervous about this when we do these shows.
10:09I swear to God.
10:11You know, they have the survey of – I don't know how many people have the athletic.
10:15I have the athletic.
10:16So they asked, you know, what tier, and I put tier – I just clicked in tier three.
10:22So I'm part of 2% that clicked in tier three.
10:26It shows you what the general populace thinks of him.
10:31Okay?
10:32Tier five, 70% think he's in tier five.
10:37That's a lot.
10:4026% thinks he's in tier four.
10:43Not as much, but still much more than the 2% that feels he's in tier three,
10:48or the 1%, only 1%, that feels he's in tier two or tier one.
10:53So when we're having these knockdown drag outs, see, this is why I keep telling people over and over,
11:00I want him to do well.
11:02I'm absolutely getting ready for the 2027 draft.
11:05I've absolutely got all my stuff ready and the games highlighted and all the things that I need to do
11:10to prepare for the 2027 draft.
11:13The Browns have shown you, without screaming it in your face,
11:17what they're doing to get ready for the 2027 draft.
11:21Like this here, guys, you can sit there and scream and yell conspiracy.
11:26This is what this league feels about him.
11:29Okay?
11:30This is the place where he has his chance.
11:32If he can't hack it here, I don't know if he's going to hack it anywhere in the NFL,
11:37because clearly, and I know there's other more bun teams out there that are looking for quarterbacks
11:41going into this year, and I think they even have worse organizational situations than we do.
11:48I think Andrew Barry, now that he's free from Paul DiBodesta, is making some good moves here.
11:53But this shows you what the league thinks of him and what they expect out of him going into this
11:58year.
11:59You got defensive coordinators, random defensive coordinators,
12:02saying I'd sleep like a baby if I got to play him every week.
12:07It's not good.
12:09It's not good.
12:09Well, and I thought there were a couple revelations with,
12:13I saw directly the reaction from the Shudor fans.
12:16The first thing they did, and it was on cue, was waiting for it.
12:21They went after Mike Sando.
12:22So, clearly these people are not familiar with the Sando tears,
12:27the vaunted Sando tears that we do every single year.
12:29And if you look, national podcast, they all have them on, all the biggest football podcasts.
12:34Like, this is a yearly thing now.
12:36And you can tell, like...
12:37He's very analytical.
12:38It's not the best interview, I got to tell you.
12:40Yeah, yeah.
12:41He's not very colorful.
12:43He goes over what is relayed to him,
12:46a lot of stuff that doesn't make the cut to, for the story every year.
12:48So, that's the first thing.
12:49The Shudor fans didn't even know this existed before.
12:53So, it tells me a lot that the Shudor fans,
12:57not exactly looking at the same stuff that maybe we do.
13:00Now, we come up with content every day.
13:02That's not their job, and maybe they're just not interested in that.
13:06But what I'm saying here...
13:07The other thing is, I notice, they just don't understand how any of this works.
13:11Put a name on it!
13:13Like, well, then there goes the tears.
13:15Then you wouldn't have the quarterback tears.
13:17And if you don't know how that works,
13:19then you just aren't really familiar with how any of this works.
13:24That's how you get...
13:25I want to disagree.
13:26That's how you get guys to actually be honest.
13:29And so, their gripe has always been the same thing with the draft.
13:32Right?
13:33Put your name on it!
13:34There's no free fall.
13:35But then we saw a free fall.
13:37So, everybody that didn't put their name on it,
13:39they were accurate, and then they had to just allege a vast conspiracy.
13:43Because there's no way that maybe Shador Sanders actually botched him and his family
13:48and his age, well, his lack of age, whatever,
13:50that they botched the lead-up to the draft.
13:53And I heard Coward and Middlecoff were talking about it the other day,
13:56and Middlecoff's like,
13:57yeah, they flat-out told a bunch of teams they weren't going to go there.
13:59Yeah, that's botching the draft,
14:01at least in terms of trying to go the highest you possibly could.
14:05Maybe, ultimately, they went to a place where he got seven starts.
14:07They should be happy.
14:08So, maybe they didn't botch the draft in those terms,
14:11but that's the reality.
14:12Like, everybody was right about Shador
14:14and how he managed the draft process.
14:17It was the worst possible way if your goal was to go as highest as possible.
14:21So, that stuff, that ended up being accurate.
14:25Well, the quarterback tears, it's only on seven games.
14:27Like, this isn't the end of his career.
14:28He gets to compete for a starting job.
14:30He gets to use this as bulletin board material.
14:32I think these fans should be happy.
14:34I hope he does well, obviously.
14:36But what this shows you is that he didn't do anything
14:39to dissuade these people from their opinions.
14:42Like, had he went out there and there was clear cut,
14:46like, clear cut from the rest of the Browns is not saying much.
14:50If there was clear cut against the rest of the league
14:52that he was much better than anticipated,
14:54I think this stuff says different.
14:56I really do.
15:02I really think it's a dose of common sense
15:04about the way the league thinks of him
15:06and that when we get yelled at about,
15:08well, you don't deserve him in Cleveland.
15:11I don't know if he'd get another chance anywhere else.
15:16This is bad stuff.
15:18Well, and the other thing, and it's the last note on this,
15:20I know we got to go.
15:23You saw where Deshaun Watson was on that list, right?
15:25Yeah.
15:26Okay, what was he, 31?
15:28Yeah.
15:29So when I see people going nuts
15:32because he's looked better than Deshaun Watson,
15:36he's looked better than the 31st quarterback
15:38in the vaunted Sando tears.
15:40That doesn't mean you're a starting quarterback in this league.
15:42We're not setting a real high bar around here, are we?
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