00:01do you do you think that coach lance made it made a compelling argument for you
00:07when it comes to dylan gabriel uh i i can understand why he would make the same argument
00:12for 60 guys that are in the nfl right like guys that had evaluations coming out of college
00:19you know there's a resume there for these guys like dylan gabriel played in some of the biggest
00:25moments in college football a couple of years ago right beat ohio state and he made some
00:29insane throws in that regular season game the playoff didn't go didn't go nearly as well
00:34obviously later in the year but it's not like he fell out of bed and was like oh nfl prospect
00:41like
00:42there there was tape there and all of that but third round never really made sense to us
00:48obviously and then when we saw him in training camp it was like oh boy like i don't i don't
00:54necessarily understand where this thought is that he's just gonna pencil him in in the league for a
00:58decade well yeah and and you know you look at a team and this is this is part of the
01:02problem that
01:03i had with it and i'm like it's on kevin i mean he's never denied the pick and i i
01:09gotta tell you
01:10nobody decided to stop him from hurting himself when it came to that pick well why is it nobody
01:15decided why is it they're all part partners somebody didn't step in there and go no not in the third
01:20round well why do you believe stefanski is as responsible i've heard you say that but i've never
01:25i've never seen a firm he's never denied it click well if he denies it later on denied any players
01:32that were drafted that he had anything to do with it have you ever heard what about what about
01:37have you ever heard him having such a strong say in another player other than dylan gabriel because i
01:43haven't i haven't well what do you mean by that i don't know i don't know what that means it's
01:47i just
01:48told you and i'll tell you again now if you want to be difficult about it no i'm honestly not
01:52trying
01:52to be difficult i've seen a lot of people after the fact especially when they piled on stefanski
01:57out the door i've seen a lot of people say what was this stefanski pick and i'm like was there
02:01six
02:01years here the whole time i don't heaven i don't remember a confirmed report kevin was here six years
02:06i never heard but one player that kevin apparently made a convincing argument to take for other than
02:13dylan gabriel if i'm wrong i'll take it back but it seemed to be that he was the only one
02:18that he
02:18made a big strong argument to take so i know it reeks of cody kessler trust me with hugh jackson
02:25and then we knew and then later on hugh jackson said it was like hey i was covering up for
02:30somebody
02:30else i figured that you know they they didn't have trust in anybody else but hugh jackson at the time
02:36so if hugh jackson says trust me on it you have a better chance of getting people on board there
02:41was
02:42no chance really but he was the best chance to get anybody on board however when it comes to
02:48dylan gabriel it was almost the same type of thing it's like well kevin decided that they wanted dylan
02:53gabriel i'm going in the third round you wanted dylan gabriel now if we find out something different
02:57later than fine i'd love to be able to take it back because it just seems to be weird that
03:01people
03:01who call each other thought partners didn't step in and go really you want to take this guy in the
03:05third round how tall is he five nine that's what i mean that's he's left-handed that's a huge
03:10assumption what that's a huge assumption we're acting like this was a total kevin stefanski pick
03:16and andrew barry and everybody else had nothing to do with it and yet we don't do that with any
03:21other players that have been drafted over the last six years yeah we're not doing that how did it come
03:27to be that this was the only player i wish i could tell you it seems to be the only
03:32one he's now he's
03:33not kevin's never going to say anything where it's going to be controversial and start anything he
03:38doesn't want anything he's going to try to keep everybody in the dark but it's like damn man we
03:42didn't hear anything from anybody from any other source no insider no brear no nothing say hey you
03:48know kevin wasn't really as strong with that pick as we thought he was i'd love for brear to be
03:52asked
03:52that question uh next week and i'd love to go back on and say okay maybe there's something a little
03:57bit
03:57open it just seems to be very odd that that's the only pick that was there and it's in the
04:02third round
04:03and a team and you're saying it taking backup quarterbacks in the third round guys who were destined to be
04:07backups in the third round like what are you doing you're this isn't the kansas city chiefs even
04:11and the chiefs might be a bad example because they were 6 and 11 but i'll still use a good
04:15football
04:15team as an example this isn't one of the the sturdy good franchises of the nfl this is the browns
04:21and you were in a rebuilding mode and you're taking a backup a guy who we list as backup in
04:27the third
04:28round yeah i guess i could take another guy that can help me in another position i guess i just
04:32don't
04:32understand how this one became harold fan it was third round he's one of the better tight ends in
04:36the league he's might be top 10 how this one just became a stefanski thing and there's no responsibility
04:41for anybody else on the in the entire organization that's interesting you bring that up because do you
04:45blame andrew barry for jerry judy we traded for him yeah okay making sure yeah did you see the
04:53over-unders for jerry judy uh i've seen numbers that no not officially because lance said a couple of days
05:00ago on another show that he could see a big year for jerry judy nick and jonathan nick said that
05:06he
05:06could possibly see jerry judy getting cut at the end of the year which i i think there's a better
05:11chance of you making the team than than him getting cut but the over-unders have come out
05:1750 and a half receptions for jerry judy in 2026 does he hit the over on receptions everything's got
05:24to be a half so i know there's no half catches in real life but it's got to be something
05:28that you put
05:28money down on so i'm taking the unders on everything across the board on everything
05:32two and a half touchdowns um yeah geez he was so bad and he's god he was the only thing
05:39we had last
05:40year and did you see it was good did you see his production i know that it's hard to be
05:44the number
05:44one target on a team and have that little production do you know his stats from last year offhand no
05:52i
05:52thought he had 600 last year i haven't pulled up in front of me can i guess can i guess
05:57can i guess
05:59all right last season last season he had 48 catches it was higher than that but it was under
06:08the current total he had 50 last year damn i was close okay there's 17 games yards the number one
06:16wide out yards 50 balls listen it's right there if i'm if i'm lying i'm dying i got nothing there
06:22on the screen i'm praying for six six 13 lower damn it what is it 602 he had four touchdowns
06:32last
06:32year he had two touchdowns i mean his last year in denver he played 16 games had two touchdowns
06:40so it's not just a browns thing it's not just a browns quarterback he had four and 24 two or
06:46three
06:46it was over i'm not going to the showcase showdown okay so so even like he had four touchdowns in
06:5324
06:53and that's when he had 90 receptions that's when he actually had those you know that denver game where
06:59he put up numbers with jamis and all that is this trade in that loss already and now they've brought
07:03in denzel boston and casey conception right like is this trade in that loss already i don't know how
07:12it could be considered anything other than a loss like nothing will beat the deshaun watson trade
07:17i hope something does so they never have to mention us anymore but nothing will ever beat that trade
07:23like they had to use um considerable assets in this year's draft finally to draft two wide receivers
07:31because judy's been such a flop true okay that's all i was wondering so you don't think he's gonna hit
07:38any of those overs it the over is two and a half touchdowns like you think any receiver in the
07:43league could get three god guys two and a half isn't asking much i know it's getting into the long
07:51thread but the trade gave them the ability to trade amari cooper and pick up a third round pick for
07:58that
07:58oh there you go which boy selling at the right time there i i'm i am reading the headline from
08:06daniel
08:07oh you fusi october 15th 2024 bills land star wide receiver amari cooper says finally got their
08:14number one receiver turns out they didn't no they didn't but that's that's really just deflecting
08:21of off of what jerry judy has been since he's been here he's had what two games where you're like
08:27looks like a number one wide receiver the denver game was amazing of course they lost that game but
08:31still that was his grudge game his revenge game yeah so it's still crazy what are the craziest
08:37it would it be worth it to just pay mark slaris to come stand well that's that's what i was
08:42gonna
08:42say like i'm sorry if you can't get the 50 and a half 50 and a half depending if you're
08:46gonna play
08:46with three or four different quarterbacks depending on how this year goes okay and maybe if you can't
08:51get three touchdowns here mark slaris should be able to do a victory lap live on air because everybody
08:57wanted to give mark slaris hell over it and it seemed like he was bitter and all that other stuff
09:01and you want to totally dump on mark slaris point but you wanted to be open-minded to jerry judy
09:06senior
09:07oh god steve smith i mean he he called him out on the same field this is yeah in denver
09:14but remember
09:14people are more likely to disagree with mark slaris and steve smith senior because they're convinced
09:19steve smith senior would actually find your address pop you in the mouth yeah well yeah if i said it
09:23mike right to mike mark slaris face he definitely socked me but i actually think steve smith might
09:27try to find you yeah he would try to find my address and come to my front door that's one
09:32guy i don't
09:32think i'd ever say anything that judy also signed that three-year 52 and a half million dollar extension
09:37now does anybody care about money anymore we've just been bad and whatever so if i would have told
09:42you three years a thousand you know it's not infinity like who cares did signing him make them not go
09:50after other guys you know were they going to get another guy instead of is are your are your hopes
09:55are your hopes more in denzel boston and casey conception and he's almost a forgotten yeah i i
10:01really think he is now maybe so here's the one thing i could say maybe if one of those guys
10:07really
10:08is turns out to be a number one and obviously we have a lot of hope and man boston looked
10:14awesome
10:14in you know rookie minicamp and minicamp and all that stuff i know it's very different from the nfl
10:19but if that were to happen and jerry judy slides into a role that makes more sense because clearly
10:27jerry judy is not a one the next thing is is he a number two can he be number two
10:32i mean everybody
10:33says he runs great routes so if you've got that alone even if he drops a bunch of passes
10:41if he can at least run routes get open create separation as a number two all right now he kind
10:49of slides into a role that is a little more appropriate
10:51you
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