00:00And we just played the Jim Schwartz, you know, why he didn't come back,
00:03why he refused to – and I thought it was a great answer,
00:07and I totally agree with what Jim Schwartz said.
00:09I think there's a lot of common sense there.
00:12And I think he did a damn good job of saving us from a mess
00:17because I don't think they're going to win a lot of games.
00:19I think they'll be a five-win team.
00:21Now, again, you can have some talent on that football team and win five games.
00:24You've had talent on this team before and have won five games.
00:27We won four games, had six Pro Bowlers one time.
00:29Back when the Pro Bowl kind of meant something.
00:31I want to point that out to everybody.
00:33Like when people said, like, how can you say that we're only going to win?
00:36We had six Pro Bowlers once we won four games.
00:40Now that that's pointed out, I think Jim saved us a lot there
00:44because had he had came back and he's the defensive coordinator,
00:48and I pointed this out to you over the winter,
00:50he's going to be asked every single week because they have media obligations,
00:55coordinators do.
00:56He's going to be asked every single week if they lose games,
00:59what's going on and what's going on with the offense over there, Jim?
01:02And you were supposed to be up for the head coach.
01:04Does that bother you at all?
01:05You think no one in the Cleveland media is going to ask that question?
01:07Hell no.
01:07They're going to ask that question.
01:09And now that you've traded away Myles Garrett, you do get Jared Verse back.
01:14This is why I hope this wasn't just some spur-of-the-moment thing.
01:18I hope this was considered for a while.
01:21I hope this was in Andrew Barry's head since last year.
01:25I hope that Les Snead, they said that Les Snead had reached out in 2022.
01:30I think that that was an athletic article that they've been kind of looking after Myles
01:34and seeing if they could go after him since 2022, which would have made no sense after
01:38they traded for Deshaun Watson.
01:39You're not going to get rid of Myles Garrett.
01:40At that time, you're not going to get rid of Myles Garrett.
01:43I hope that he's right because it would make me believe, all right, you've made this decision
01:48with Todd Munkin for the future, not just for the right now.
01:51When I see that David Cully crap being put out there by some people, I hate Coach Search Radio.
01:58We talked about it all during the Coach Search.
02:01I don't want to do this again.
02:02I like Todd.
02:02I don't want to get to know any.
02:04I barely know this guy.
02:06I don't want to get to know any other guys.
02:07It sounds crazy because they don't have Myles Garrett now, and everybody's like,
02:10are you even excited to talk about the Browns this year?
02:12I'm like, first of all, I am.
02:14I am.
02:15There's a lot of young talent on the offense.
02:17I actually can't wait to see it.
02:19I never had expectations of a high win total this year anyway.
02:22So now I'm curious to see Todd, tough talking Todd, honest Todd.
02:27I am interested to see how this goes.
02:28With all that said, I did want to ask you this, Kenny.
02:32Do you think fans are that tethered to Todd Munkin?
02:35And the reason I ask that is, let's say they're just really bad this year, okay?
02:40And just things go south in a hurry, and now they don't even have Myles Garrett to save them on
02:47a game-by-game basis.
02:48And verse is good, but he's nowhere near that.
02:51So in that formula, let's say they're on their way to three to four wins, okay?
02:57Are fans even going to be that tethered to him?
02:59Because let's say they have a legitimate shot at the number one overall pick.
03:04Last year, where would you say Todd was in the power ranking of available head coaches?
03:11Where was Todd?
03:12In terms of media?
03:14In the NFL.
03:15In terms of every single person that was available?
03:18Yeah.
03:18Near the bottom.
03:19He was near the bottom.
03:20Okay, don't say it like that.
03:21No, that's not true.
03:22He wasn't a name that was...
03:24It's his age.
03:24I mean, that's part of it.
03:25Yeah.
03:26What other teams were talking about Todd Munkin as a potential head coach?
03:29Didn't he interview somewhere else?
03:32Baltimore, did he?
03:33Oh, yeah.
03:34No, they fired him for being the OC.
03:36I thought he'd still interviewed there, though.
03:38I swear to God.
03:41I swear I thought he did.
03:44Then we could play that Jim Schwartz clip that we just played and put Todd Munkin in.
03:48Okay, so with all that said, with all that said,
03:52like let's say they have the number one or number two overall pick.
03:58Isn't there a chance with all the young talent?
04:00Now, maybe we think differently about the young talent a year from now if they only win, you know, three
04:04games.
04:05But with all the young talent, with all the draft picks, with how they are suited...
04:10You're going to hate my answer.
04:11Don't you think, like, they could be the home of whatever version of Ben Johnson is out there a year
04:16from now?
04:17Yes.
04:18I mean, so don't you think...
04:18You're right, yes.
04:19I don't think fans are going to be that tethered to him.
04:22Okay, so there's what I want, and then there's what I have to accept.
04:25And what I want is for Todd Munkin to be the head coach for at least five years.
04:29Okay?
04:29Now, what I have to accept, when you just said the number one overall pick, there's a couple...
04:33I mean, when you're talking number one overall, fans can hate this unless he goes out there and he just
04:38is terrible this year.
04:40Like, Arch Manning's the number one pick because of everything that he brings with it.
04:44There's a massive fan base, the family, the whole thing.
04:47Owners are just not going to pass on that.
04:49You could give me draft day all you want, and Kevin Costner can scream and yell and stop his feet.
04:54If that guy don't draft Arch Manning, he is gone, and he won't get the chance to not draft Arch
04:59Manning.
04:59Arch Manning's going to go number one.
05:00He will get to dictate, and this is going to bother a lot of fans, he will get...
05:04Excuse me, his family will get to dictate on who they want.
05:07They'll get to do it.
05:09And when you have that type of power, if they go, we like Todd Munkin, we like the offense, you'll
05:14keep Todd Munkin.
05:15If they don't want Todd Munkin, they will not keep Todd Munkin.
05:17Now, you could have the number two overall pick, and it could be, hey, this is explainable.
05:22Dante Moore's there.
05:24Hey, Dante, do you like Todd?
05:25Yeah, I can play for...
05:26Okay, fine.
05:27It's that type of thing.
05:30I think those two right now are number one, number two, right?
05:32Right now, yeah.
05:33Yeah.
05:34And then you kind of go...
05:35Les Soresby gets his injunction.
05:37And then everything else...
05:39Well, that's 8 o'clock.
05:40Everything else is made after the season going, do we need to go in a different direction?
05:45And I just don't know if they get to...
05:48If they don't play crappy football...
05:50We almost have to set a standard of what type of football they are going to play that
05:56we see on the field as to why Todd Munkin is a good football coach without looking at
06:02the scoreboard, which sounds exactly like the stuff we said at the beginning of the
06:05Kevin Stefanski era.
06:07I'm very sorry about that.
06:09I know that we'll look at the scoreboard, and you can't do anything else but that.
06:12But you know it.
06:13If there's no pre-snap penalties, if they look like they know what they're doing, if they
06:18just might not have the talent in certain places.
06:20You know, maybe we sit there and we look at Andrew Barry going, wow, boy, you really
06:23didn't do a great job on the offensive line there.
06:25I know we compared him to the Bears, but they have Caleb Williams who's running around back
06:30there.
06:30We have what we have.
06:31You might have should have done a better job over this, do it in your offensive line.
06:34Then maybe we put it on Barry.
06:36We'll probably want to put it on Barry after all this.
06:38And we can make, not excuses, but these are explanations for why it happens.
06:43I will, because of this move, because of everything that's happened, I will empty the chamber.
06:50I can guarantee you, if I was willing to do it for Kevin, I'm going to empty the chamber
06:55on excuses for Todd Munkin if we have to do it.
06:58And you're going to have to yell at me.
06:59So if there's going to be things.
07:01Well, he will have excuses.
07:02But you know what I'm saying?
07:03You're going to get to use these words against me.
07:05You have a memory about what I say.
07:06So if they go out and they commit a bunch of pre-snap penalties, don't know where to line
07:09up, don't know what to do.
07:10There's problems getting plays in and things like that.
07:12You're going to go, Kenny.
07:13And I'm going to go, yep, you're right.
07:15Like that's going to be to me, the smoking gun, because now you're, you can reel, you
07:20can reel off of something like this.
07:21And this can go in a really bad direction if you make this trade.
07:24So now it's going to come down to how can Todd Munkin bring these guys together and
07:28really, you know, Jared verse is going to have to, you're going to have to look at
07:31Jared verse and go, do you want any of your time wasted?
07:34I know you have a contract coming up and the Browns will probably pay it because they've
07:37made this trade, right?
07:38Excuse me.
07:39They're going to pay.
07:39He's going to get a massive contract.
07:41They made this trade.
07:41Yes.
07:42You don't want your time wasted.
07:43I mean, look at the guy who just came in front of you and the fans liked him.
07:46They could love you.
07:47He wouldn't go out there and do rah-rah speeches.
07:49I've seen you on NFL network.
07:52They're going to love you, but you got to be able to carry that flag.
07:55And this year might not be the very best year for everybody when it comes up to the
08:00scoreboard.
08:01But if you can get these guys going and maybe you do win a couple of games, you're not
08:04supposed to win.
08:05Well, then we make this a lot better.
08:08We can make this a lot better.
08:10Because it seems that Todd Munkin is a plain speaking guy and everything I can pick up
08:14from Jared Verse seems that he's a plain speaking guy and he loves plain speak.
08:18And we don't have to sit there and talk about thought partners and things like this.
08:22It's just like, hey man, let's put the chin straps on and let's go.
08:25And that's what I like.
08:26So there's a lot of emotions to this that's going to play into this season, not just wins
08:32and losses.
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08:36Problem is, I'm already getting the tweets about how Domo says, you want to give me the, who's
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08:46Domo already saying Todd Munkin was a one and done HC.
08:51Nick in a car.
08:52Tell me different.
08:53Come on, Nick.
08:54Well, good morning, boys.
08:55I'd just like to know, at what point are we allowed to have more?
08:59At what point are we allowed to expect that we're going to be a competitive football team?
09:04It's always, you know, Lama, you just said it, like, I wasn't expecting a lot of wins.
09:09Okay, so is like 2028, is that the magical year with the young quarterback that we're going
09:14to supposedly have?
09:15After they take the quarterback next year is when I expect to start making progress again.
09:20I'm sorry, Nick.
09:21I can only be honest with you.
09:23I'm sorry.
09:24Boy, for the quarterback that we don't know who it's going to be, and if we do somehow
09:26figure out a way to win seven or eight games, because they do have an easy schedule, and
09:31they're probably going to trot out Deshaun Watson as the veteran.
09:34Oh, you're talking about this year.
09:36Well, that's what I'm saying.
09:37So, I mean, if you win more games than, because we won more games last year than I think a
09:42lot
09:42of people thought, especially there towards the end, so you traded away a transcendent
09:47first-ballot Hall of Fame player for no real guarantee.
09:54I mean, I understand that there's no guarantees ever, but at what point do we stop letting
10:00this team off the hook by saying, oh, we weren't expecting anything anyways?
10:04Well, who am I letting?
10:05We've got to bring our expectations up and hold these idiots accountable, especially
10:08because they're about to charge you $2 million for a frickin' PSL.
10:12Well, hold on.
10:12Hold on, Nick.
10:13I know you're mad.
10:14I know you're mad.
10:14Hold on.
10:15Let me just ask you this.
10:16Who are we letting off the hook?
10:18I think Andrew Barry's?
10:19It's a whole organization.
10:20How?
10:20Andrew Barry's?
10:21We're letting Andrew Barry off the hook.
10:23I mean, if I were in charge, I would be doing a work and win.
10:27Hold on.
10:27You've heard the show before, right?
10:28You know that like three years ago, I said I would have moved on from Andrew Barry.
10:33So I think I've held him accountable.
10:34It's just he's still here.
10:35What am I supposed to do?
10:36Am I supposed to go out with a sign and pick it every day until he's gone?
10:39Now I actually think he's doing the right thing, trying to rebuild the thing.
10:42But if it were up to me and anybody who's listening to the show, I had him sent out.
10:47I had Kevin Stefanski out earlier.
10:49Lima was on record about that.
10:50And you know me.
10:51I'm just soft, and I won't call for anybody to be fired.
10:53And that's just me being soft with you.
10:54I'm not trying to blame you guys for anything.
10:56You guys aren't in charge of the team.
10:58But at some point across the region, we have to start expecting more.
11:03And we have to start – we have to stop having a loser mentality.
11:06Like, oh, no big deal.
11:07They traded Miles Garrett.
11:09It's not like they were going to win a lot of games anyways.
11:10Well, I thought they should have traded him.
11:13You got a late first-round pick for a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
11:17He got Jared Burst, though, too.
11:18And everybody's saying, oh, Jared Burst, Jared Burst, Jared Burst.
11:21Okay, he's a good player.
11:22He's a very good player.
11:23He's not a great player.
11:24And this whole narrative, oh, it killed the Rams to include him.
11:27No, it didn't.
11:29It did not.
11:30Well, who said they killed the Rams to include him?
11:32No, no one – they're saying that to be nice.
11:35I actually haven't heard that.
11:35I've heard that a lot, that, oh, the Rams didn't want to include him.
11:38But it was a must-have.
11:39Andrew Burst had to have Jared Burst or the trade wasn't going to happen.
11:43No, I do believe that.
11:44I do believe that because I don't know if they were going to go that deep into the draft.
11:47So I believe he had to have Jared Burst.
11:49Are you saying, though, you would have rather had a draft pick from the Rams that could
11:54be anywhere in the high 20s than Jared Burst?
11:58I think it is – what's the word?
12:00I think it's negligence on Andrew Barry's part that he didn't shop the deal.
12:04It's not like it was a take it or leave it from the Rams.
12:06Do you want me to ask –
12:08How do you not go to another team and try and see if you can get more?
12:11You didn't get enough.
12:13I explained at 620.
12:14Because you know what?
12:15I'm going to ask Zach that question for you, Nick, when we come back at 722.
12:18But I said at 620 why it wasn't negligence.
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