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00:00Rich Eisen had Tom Pellicero on, and I thought it was interesting that, you know, in this clip,
00:06you're going to hear Tom Pellicero talking about the Vikings quarterback situation
00:09and a competition between Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy.
00:13I think it might be something we can also throw into the Browns conversation as well.
00:16Kyler comes in. He hasn't played in this offense. J.J.'s got two years in it.
00:19It's been a rollercoaster ride. There's been some really good moments.
00:22There's been some not-so-good moments, and there have been a ton of injuries.
00:25Kyler also has dealt with injuries in recent years, you know, since the torn ACL,
00:29and then obviously last year with the foot injury they never made it back from.
00:32It's going to be interesting to watch these guys duke it out because you've got J.J.,
00:35who's got at least a foundation in the offense.
00:37You've got Kyler, who has shown ability. He's been to Pro Bowls. He's been to the playoffs.
00:42He's only 28 years old. This, to me, is going to be the most fascinating quarterback competition in the NFL.
00:47And from everything that I have understood, it is truly wide open.
00:51They're keeping an open mind as a coaching staff, and we'll see what direction it goes.
00:54So it's been described as a true quarterback competition.
00:57Which, to me, means it's 50-50.
01:00Or at the very worst, it's 55-45.
01:03I don't buy that it's that close.
01:06I think Kyler has more of a 60-70% chance of getting this job.
01:11Yeah, that's what I would think as well.
01:12And then J.J.'s got to come from behind and snatch the job.
01:15Agree.
01:16So I disagree pretty strongly about this.
01:20But I think that's just a personal feeling.
01:22I don't know that Kyler was going there without...
01:25Well, the idea is their eyes are open, though.
01:27Yes.
01:27So if Kyler happens to overcome the odds that we've discussed and we agree upon, well, then
01:31he does get the job.
01:32And I think what's interesting is J.J. is a former top-12 pick.
01:37Kyler's not making a lot of money.
01:39Like, there's ways you can sell this as a true quarterback competition, even if my read is
01:43Kyler's not going there.
01:45I think if you try to put it to the Browns and say the Browns is a true quarterback competition,
01:51the only reason I think it might be true is the Browns have just been so adamant that
01:56it is.
01:56I just...
01:57I don't know who has the advantage there, though.
01:59Like, I know we have the report with Mary Kay in the inside track or whatever that was.
02:02But, like, if you told me right now, is it anything...
02:05Is it lopsided one way or another?
02:07Maybe it's like Deshaun 55, Shador 45.
02:09But, like, why would that change?
02:11You know?
02:11Like, the only thing that's changed is one report after installs.
02:14Yeah, I mean, it's $230 million quarterback versus a fifth-round pick.
02:18But it's a guy who, if you look at the way the last...
02:21Like, Shador and Deshaun, the last time they played for the Browns, the numbers aren't
02:27remarkably better than the other.
02:30Yeah.
02:31One's had a lot of injuries, and the other's only banking off seven games.
02:36Like, all the little things that we usually glean towards of, like, well, where were you
02:41drafted?
02:42How much...
02:43Or when did you get signed?
02:44When did you get traded?
02:45Like, all the little markers you're looking for that tell you whether it's a legit, true
02:49quarterback competition or not, they don't really have with this one.
02:53And that is where...
02:54That's why it's so hard to cap, though.
02:55Well, I was going to say, that's where my self-doubt comes from.
02:57Yeah.
02:58Yeah.
02:58Because every time we talk...
02:59Every time I think about it, I'm like, well, they couldn't possibly.
03:02But they could.
03:02Like, well, exactly.
03:04Because they're the Browns.
03:05Well, and then you can go, well, are you really going to let a fifth-round pick, which that's
03:09how people around the NFL see Shador until he, you know, takes that label off.
03:13Are they going to let a fifth-round pick stop you from playing the best quarterback, even
03:18if we got to take your word for it that that's the best quarterback?
03:21And so, like, I would.
03:22I'd be like, yeah, you want to play for even, you know, beyond this next year if Shador happens
03:25to go off.
03:26But they don't have to play by that same set of rules.
03:29216-474-0092.
03:32Tom Pellicero says the Vikings quarterback competition is a true quarterback competition.
03:36How sure are you?
03:38We can say the same thing about the Browns quarterback spot.
03:41Here's what I'll say.
03:42It's never...
03:44And I don't say it's never.
03:46It's very rarely is on the nose, as anyone says in the NFL, and certainly the Cleveland
03:51Browns, and my biggest sense of self-doubt is I can understand if that organization wants
03:58to try and get something out of Deshaun, or Todd Munkin wants to try and make a statement
04:03with Deshaun by getting him back to playing well, but they've just been so insistent that
04:09it's almost like we start to hear the same message 10 times out of 10.
04:13You're like, are they just really good at messaging?
04:16Does that make sense?
04:18I get what you're saying.
04:19There's a part of you that just doesn't believe it yet.
04:21Yes.
04:22Yeah.
04:22And I'm in the same...
04:23I don't wish to believe it.
04:24I'm in the same boat.
04:25I just have a hard time thinking he'll actually be the week one quarterback.
04:28But do I think it's a true test or whatever we want to call it?
04:31Like, I don't think the game is rigged in Chador's favor.
04:34I think if it's rigged in anyone's favor, it's rigged in Deshaun's favor.
04:37Exactly right.
04:38And so, like, if I'm...
04:39But if I don't want to believe that it's going to happen for Deshaun for week one, then the
04:42other alternative to that would be the idea that I think it'd be rigged in Chador's favor
04:46and he's going to have the upper hand and all this.
04:48And I don't believe that.
04:49And so, we're stuck in a little bit of a rut here, aren't we?
04:51I thought it was interesting, though.
04:54You and I are pretty adamantly anti-Deshaun Watson.
04:58Fair?
04:59Yes.
05:00Very fair.
05:00At least starting for the Browns again.
05:02I think that's even being...
05:03That's being kind about it.
05:04I was trying to be.
05:06Reciprocity.
05:06Neither one of us think he's anything.
05:08I don't think he...
05:09I think it's going to fail miserably if he starts week one.
05:12I have moved what I think as far as preseason expectations in my win-loss.
05:17I don't know.
05:18Whatever you want.
05:19Prognostication on it.
05:20As much as four games, depending on if it's Chador or Deshaun Watson.
05:23I cannot think less of the idea of Deshaun Watson starting week one.
05:26And it feels a little self-sabotage-y to me.
05:29But again, they're pushing it hard.
05:32They are.
05:33The Browns are telling everyone.
05:34And I think they've firmed up their message.
05:37Because for a minute there, it was, could we see a possibility?
05:41Is there a potential that he could start?
05:44And now it feels like they're pushing the idea that it's not just that he could, but that
05:48maybe that's even a slightly more likelihood than him not.
05:52So I thought it was interesting where I think it was...
05:55Who's our guy?
05:56Dan Graziano.
05:58Dan Graziano.
06:06And the first part was essentially, well, they haven't replaced Deshaun Watson.
06:10Which is true.
06:11They tried real hard last year with a lot of their bodies, but they haven't officially
06:15replaced him.
06:16I don't know if that would have stopped me from cutting him.
06:18But this, I thought, was a really interesting line there.
06:21It said, I don't think there's a world in which Watson plays well enough to convince
06:25the Browns to bring him back in 2027.
06:27And I think this is an angle of the conversation we haven't had.
06:32Does the idea of Deshaun, in this scenario, if Deshaun's just one and done as a starting
06:37quarterback for the Browns, does a one and done season for Deshaun with the Browns as
06:41starting quarterback, does that make it more or less palatable for you to kind of put up
06:47with for the next, you know, 17 games?
06:50I think when I make the case for Shador, I think that's the strongest thing I have to
06:53say is the idea that if Deshaun is just one and done, what the hell was the point?
06:58You know?
06:58And like, I mean, the idea being that he wasn't good enough where you extend
07:01them off and then also you're setting yourself up for 2027.
07:05Now, maybe you could make the argument that you could have one of these one and done quarterbacks
07:08where they're not good enough to go ahead and launch off for 2027, but they are at least
07:12good enough to tell you a lot about Concepcion, a lot about Denzel Boston, a lot about like
07:17the different rookies on this team offensively.
07:20And so maybe that's where I have to meet some of the Deshaun people in the middle.
07:23I just don't think it's going to be reality on it.
07:25But if he's one and done and that's it, then you probably lost the idea that he was going
07:30to be a starting quarterback worthwhile.
07:32Yeah.
07:33I listen.
07:34Do I think that the biggest likelihood is that we go through the season and about 90%
07:40of the time, no matter what happens, you could win eight, nine, 10 games and there's a chance
07:45you're still looking for a quarterback in 2027.
07:47Yeah.
07:48I mean, is there a world in which you look at this, they're a nine win team and it's like
07:52the bills were for a couple of years with Tyrod where they're like, okay, we got through
07:57this year, but we got to get to a better quarterback.
07:59I'm sure that even in the most positive sides of things, you're still looking for a quarterback
08:04in 2027 for some people.
08:06I just come back to quarterback continuity.
08:09And I think one of the, the foolhardy things that they tried to do last year was they were
08:15pretty geared up to do three quarterbacks in one year.
08:17And okay.
08:18They were at least, they were at least thinking about two quarterbacks last year.
08:21We want to see what Kenny Pickett has.
08:23And if that doesn't work, we'll go Joe first.
08:25And then we got to see what Dylan Gabriel has.
08:26I still maintain it wasn't an accident that Haslam said before the season, we're going
08:29to see both rookies.
08:29And then we saw both rookies.
08:30Yeah.
08:31So I just, I think one of the, the, you know, the, the, the things that perpetuates the cycle
08:38of suck or the quarterback lists abyss, like whatever you want to call what the Browns
08:42have been mired in since Deshaun just fell apart physically is that you just, you're, you're
08:46trying to build a roster, but the best way you build the best roster is by knowing what
08:51you have in your quarterback spot.
08:53And if every year you don't just have one different quarterback, but maybe you have
08:56two different quarterbacks a year that might be the quarterback.
09:00That's really hard to understand what your team's going to do really well on one side
09:05of the ball at the most important position.
09:07So it's really hard to get that spot, right?
09:09Well, all right.
09:09So in my, and to go with this, uh, when we talked a lot about a joke, who not a
09:13while,
09:13we did a segment on a joke who go into the chargers now.
09:15And one of the resounding thoughts was, well, he's going to have Justin Harbor.
09:18So at least he'll have a quarterback.
09:19That's probably the best quarterback he's had and everything like that.
09:21And you, and you go back and look at it, it's like, well, how many quarterbacks to
09:24David and joke who have in this stretch?
09:2514, 14 is the answer since Justin Herbert into the league.
09:28Like it's an insanely large number of franchises.
09:33Don't do that.
09:33Yeah.
09:34They don't go through that many quarterbacks.
09:36And if they do, it's the jets, it's the Browns.
09:38It's previously the Buccaneers.
09:39It just, it makes it, it makes it incredibly hard.
09:41And I can say that while also understanding that the Browns for this upcoming season, you
09:46know, if they give it to Shador, you got a little bit of continuity, but the reality
09:49is, is that in 2027, that's when you're probably drafting your quarterback.
09:52And it's why you're probably starting everything off.
09:54Well, and I think maybe this is just another way to look at Shador versus Deshaun with Shador.
09:59I can say, well, he started seven games last year, another season this year, even if
10:03you're, even if you're thinking to yourself, well, maybe he's going to be competing for
10:07the job of the rookie next year, I can at least spin you forward.
10:10I've got a quarterback across three years.
10:13That is, that is some level of continuity.
10:17He's got to play to a certain level, but at least you can say that saying, all right,
10:21well, we had the one quarterback for seven games last year, he's back, but now he's going
10:25to cede to this other quarterback who was here three years ago.
10:28And then he's going to play for 17 games, hopefully.
10:31And then we're going to find another one that just without knowing where the bridge, you
10:36know, like it would be so easy if you said you get a top three pick next year, we'll
10:39just handle it then.
10:40You can't guarantee that.
10:41Right.
10:42And even, even the guys that are going to be available, it's not as if you can say Jalen
10:46Hertz is definitely going to be available next off season or Dak Prescott is going to be
10:51definitively.
10:52There's not like an easy call out of a veteran who's at the end of their spot that you just
10:57know will be there.
10:58So I, it feels like we keep saying, I keep saying bridge to nowhere.
11:04And what I mean by that is it could be a bridge to somewhere, but it's a hypothetical wishes,
11:11hopes, and dreams side of things.
11:12That just feels like a risk.
11:14Like the idea that Deshaun could be a one and done and Hey, we're just going to play
11:18him, let him see what he does.
11:20God bless you.
11:21Go out there, make more money in the NFL.
11:23We'll figure out your replacement.
11:24On one hand, will I be happy to still be done with Deshaun in a year?
11:29Yes.
11:29On the other hand, you're, you're, you're, there's still such a big unknown on the other
11:34side.
11:34The idea that you're just going to magically get it right feels like it.
11:37And you're shorting yourself is the idea.
11:40And it's, it's odd.
11:42Cause I feel like at multiple times this off season, I've waffled myself back and forth
11:46between like, are they actually trying to win games or are they just presenting it like
11:49they're trying to win games or are they trying to win?
11:51Like I, it's very hard to get a read on what that is, but if you play Deshaun week
11:55one, then I'm not going to be convinced you're trying to win a lot of games for this upcoming
11:58season.
11:58Cause you are in fact doing nothing for, uh, for the years beyond.
12:02And it's just, it's an, it's a maddening thing.
12:04And, and there's some sort of thing that certain fans have glommed on to and certain media members
12:10have glommed on to.
12:12Well, if Deshaun is starting week one, then that must mean they think he's the best quarterback
12:18that gives them the best chance to win, which would be all fine, well, and good.
12:23If we didn't have four years of empirical proof that that's just not true.
12:28And I think that's where like, cause I do think every other move they've made, like if they
12:33were really trying to just go all in on 2027, they would have traded out of six.
12:38They would have moved as far back as they could to get a 2027 for, they would have moved heaven
12:42and earth to get a 2027 first rounder.
12:45They didn't really do that.
12:46They didn't even do that for like a second or third rounder, right?
12:49The third rounder you got is this year's third round.
12:50I know.
12:51I, I, I don't know that they were going to get a first rounder anyway.
12:54Well, yeah, but I think my point is they, they got a third rounder of the Kansas city
12:57deal.
12:58I'm assuming you could have said to Kansas city, make that a 2027 third rounder.
13:02And all of a sudden we have a little extra motivation for next year.
13:05I know they did that with a couple of fourth rounders, but still it's fourth rounders.
13:08It is what it is.
13:09I get what you're trying to say, but like, I just look at this and go, um, the only way
13:14I feel
13:14better about a one and done and Deshaun is I'm just guaranteed to be done with him, but
13:19you can't be done with them anyway.
13:19But the idea that there's like, that this is actually a better way of looking at it.
13:24No, it's just more uncertainty to come.
13:26And that's not how you build a football team.
13:28Yeah.
13:28You're done.
13:28You're done with them anyway, though.
13:29Like if Shador plays, you're done with him at the end of this year.
13:31And so I guess if anything, for the people like me and you that don't want to see Deshaun,
13:35uh, play this upcoming season, if he does start week one, there is that sliver of a chance
13:39that maybe he could stay on.
13:40Uh, if he does outperform expectations, I just think that's insane though.
13:44Also, there's one other bit of logic that really bugs me.
13:47And that bit of logic is, is, well, you got to go to Deshaun first because if, if let's
13:56say Shador wins it or Dylan Gabriel, wink, wink, wins it, you can't go back to Deshaun.
14:02And I just, I don't understand that logic.
14:05Like you can't, on one hand, you can't say, well, Deshaun's, if Deshaun gives you the
14:09best chance to win, he better be out there week one and then be like, well, but even
14:13if Shador gives you the best chance to win week one, you got to think about whether you'll
14:18ever be able to deploy Deshaun again, if Shador wins the job.
14:21It's like, no, you don't.
14:22What do they think Deshaun's going to do in that scenario?
14:24Shador wins the job and Deshaun's going to take his ball and go home.
14:26He won't.
14:27There's too much money involved.
14:28Yeah.
14:28Well, and he's stuck on the team and not just that he's going to wait for a chance to play
14:33to try and give himself some tape.
14:35And if all it can be is seven or eight games and he can showcase to the rest of the
14:39NFL
14:39that he can stay healthy in the seven to eight games or whatever that is, like he's going
14:42to want that opportunity.
14:43The first crack on it for Deshaun is not the end all be all, but again, that's acting as
14:47if he's got some leverage here.
14:48Yeah.
14:49Deshaun's got no leverage here.
14:50He doesn't have a say in this.
14:52There's no, there's no thing that he can do to, to make the Browns change their mind.
14:55He's got no leverage.
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