00:00Fine, open it up. Make it a three-man competition if you want to do it.
00:02No, come on. Stop it.
00:03If no one's going to seize the jump, hear me out.
00:07Get out of here, Ken Coleman.
00:08Just hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out.
00:11Maybe Ken's still shaking off the rust from not being in last week.
00:15Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.
00:16Now, I'm as hot as I'm holding back everything and trying to figure out when exactly I want to say
00:22it.
00:22I know you want to hear me about LeBron at some point.
00:26Nonplussed was the first action I had.
00:28I remember exactly where I was, and I'll tell you guys that here in a little bit.
00:31However, if I'm only going by reports, if none of them are going to take the job, then we have
00:45to consider all of them.
00:48That's all I'm trying to say.
00:50That's all I'm trying to say.
00:53I'm trying to put myself.
00:55You don't even want to hear me say this.
00:56What the hell is the point?
00:59If none of them are going to seize that opportunity, then I have to make it a possibility for all
01:04of them.
01:04For at least the first three.
01:06Taylor Greene is not a serious conversation.
01:07No offense to Taylor Greene.
01:08I mean, I'd like to see him and what you could do with that guy.
01:12But as far as starting quarterbacks are concerned, like, yeah, it's a two-guy race.
01:18And I thought it should be a two-guy race.
01:20But I'm only going by the same reports that everybody else is, that he's having a good camp.
01:24We'll hear more from Daryl coming up at 820 this morning.
01:27I knew this wasn't going to be a very comfortable thing to say.
01:30That's why I'm sitting here playing with my highlighters right now, because I knew that this was going to be
01:33an awkward conversation.
01:34Like, when some people, they start, like, messing with the desk when they're having awkward conversations, like, rubbing down the
01:38desk.
01:38Because they don't know what to say next, and they know that this is going to be awkward.
01:41Like, that's how I'm feeling right now when it comes to Dylan Gabriel.
01:45Guys, I'm not trying to do shock master type of conversation here just to get through a day.
01:51We are at camp.
01:52We got Brown stuff going on.
01:54We got the Guardians where people are trying to wreck no hitters and perfect games.
01:58And the Dodgers are trying to take over the sport.
02:00Like, there is a lot going on right now.
02:02This is not me trying to just get through a day.
02:05This is me telling you the absolute truth.
02:07Truth, if we're not going to be that great of a team, if we're going to be a six-win
02:10football team, if that's what it looks like.
02:12There are people out there who think they're going to be a 10- and 11-win team.
02:16God bless you.
02:17But if we're being honest and being realistic here and saying, hey, let's figure out what we got, six, seven,
02:21then fine.
02:22Let's figure out what we have.
02:24You are loving this because you know that there's going to be a video made, and I'm just going to
02:27get killed for the rest of the afternoon.
02:28So it doesn't matter for you.
02:30So you're just going to let me sit here and hang myself with these words, and you're not going to
02:33say a damn word about it, are you?
02:34Let me say this as clearly as possible.
02:37It's not what I want.
02:39It's what I may be forced to do.
02:42I want Shador Sanders to just take the job and let's see what he can do.
02:48I don't think it's going to be exactly what I want.
02:50So now I've got to figure out what I have to do.
02:53And what I have to do is if one guy is doing really, really well, then I guess I have
03:00to open it up when it's an open competition.
03:02Do I not?
03:03Why is he throwing to third-teamers?
03:05Did we or did we not say the same thing about you-know-who last year when he was throwing
03:07to third-teamers?
03:09Huh?
03:10I'm not hearing anything over there.
03:12Did we or did we not say the same things last year when you-know-who was throwing to third
03:17-teamers?
03:17Anthony?
03:18I thought.
03:19I want an answer.
03:20Yeah, we did.
03:21We did.
03:22Everybody did.
03:23Last year was a mess.
03:24We don't want to make this year a mess.
03:25It doesn't make me happy to say this.
03:26Yeah, this is the thing.
03:29We had all, listen, we had been unfair to Dylan Gabriel.
03:32Yes.
03:32And I think it was clear.
03:35I think early last week you were out and I had mentioned that I thought as much as the Shador
03:42fans have done the victimization thing,
03:45I'm like, man, if Dylan Gabriel had a fan base other than the one, didn't we have one family member
03:50that had been listening to the show
03:52and told us we were being unfair about Dylan Gabriel?
03:55There was some guy who just would line up and cuss us out and I don't remember that.
04:00I mean, I remember that, but I don't remember anything else.
04:03I thought Dylan Gabriel had the most claim to that than anybody else because, you know, he was never really
04:12given a shot to truly, truly start.
04:16Like it was when they, when they did the Kenny Pickett thing and then, all right, we're really battling for,
04:21you know, two different, two different competitions were kind of emerging in camp last year.
04:28And then he loses his job and rightfully so he was going to lose his job anyway, but he lost
04:32his job because of the concussion.
04:33Then he comes back in just to run one play when Shador was out and then he got booed by
04:40the fans.
04:40I'm like, man, I can't remember the last time a rookie, you know, caught this kind of flack like this.
04:46It was, it was not cool.
04:48And that was it.
04:49That was going to be it for Dylan Gabriel.
04:51We had all washed our hands.
04:51I'm like, it wasn't really fair, but you know, life's not fair.
04:54Football's not fair.
04:56Plenty of quarterbacks don't get fair treatment when it comes to a city.
05:01But I'm like, I don't feel great about it.
05:03I just don't really want to see him anymore.
05:06Well, I don't either.
05:06But now apparently he's been the most accurate quarterback he can.
05:09I don't either.
05:09But damn it.
05:10Like I got it.
05:10I'm not, you guys are going to hammer me for trying to have an open mind about what Zach calls
05:14the most mediocre quarterback room in the NFL.
05:17Did he or did he not say that?
05:19Did I make that up?
05:20You want to play Zach's comments again on his podcast?
05:23Go right on ahead.
05:24Like I know I'm about to get just smoked on the phones and everywhere and I'm not doing it for
05:29effect.
05:30I don't say things just to upset people.
05:32I can only go by what I'm reading.
05:34I've only seen three passes by the same QB and that was on Saturday afternoon.
05:39That was it.
05:40I saw three of them.
05:41Three.
05:41That many by Deshaun Watson.
05:43None of them are horrific by any means.
05:45By what I saw, they weren't horrific.
05:47But I can only go by what I'm reading.
05:49And what I'm reading is that nobody has seized the job.
05:52It's not very good.
05:53Okay, well, if nobody has seized the job and it's not very good and one guy seems to be having
05:59a pretty good camp, wouldn't it stand to reason that you go, well, I can't be closed-minded on anything.
06:04We're trying to win football games if I'm Todd Munkin.
06:08If I'm Todd Munkin, what do I – I have to be open-minded.
06:11Do I not?
06:12Are you really going to cut into the reps for Chador?
06:15I don't think so.
06:16No, I don't think so.
06:17You're just saying take him away from Deshaun Watson.
06:20But I – if I'm going to do it, probably yeah.
06:23Probably yes.
06:24But yet you said – you started out – and this shows how tough this is.
06:26It is.
06:26You started out by saying, yeah, he's probably going to pick Watson if it's close.
06:30And I do think so.
06:31I do think so.
06:33But if I'm just reading that one guy is having a better camp and the other two are struggling, and
06:38that's what I'm reading, not what I'm seeing,
06:40if that's what I'm reading, then I have to be open.
06:43I have to open this up and say, who can lead this football team?
06:46Who do they have – who does the rest of the players have confidence in?
06:50Who do the rest of the players have confidence in that they're going to move the football?
06:53Yes, I saw the Jerry Judy video last week, so we don't have to get into that, which is –
06:59You think Mark Schlereth wakes up every morning with a great big fat smile on his face?
07:02On that one, yes.
07:03Okay.
07:03Just want to make sure that everybody's right with that.
07:05So, like, that's – guys, that's kind of where I'm at on this.
07:07I'm not trying to be controversial.
07:09I'm just trying to have an open mind.
07:10And it doesn't make me feel any better to add another wrinkle and make it a three-headed quarterback race
07:18by any means necessary.
07:19And I still think of anybody who has a chance to be traded, it's still Dylan Gabriel who has the
07:25best chance to be traded by the end of training camp.
07:27I really do.
07:28But if I'm just reading what I'm reading, and I am, I think I have to be – I have
07:34to – I can't be close-minded about this.
07:36I have to be open-minded and go, where am I going to find talent to put on the most
07:40important position on the field to try to find some wins?
07:44Because you could start Dylan Gabriel and screw this whole thing up.
07:47And you could start any one of them.
07:49And I think that Dylan Gabriel might screw things up the most if you started him at the beginning of
07:55the year.
07:56But that's on preconceived notions.
07:58That's me dealing with everything I've said in the past, going, what are we doing?
08:02Why did we take him in the third round?
08:03This is a non-fit.
08:04I don't – if I were him, I wouldn't want to be here.
08:07I know the fans didn't want him here.
08:09Like, it's just not adding up.
08:11But if he's still here, and he's playing as well as what I'm reading he's playing,
08:17and nobody else is seizing the job, we're only a few days into this damn thing,
08:22then why on earth wouldn't I make that consideration, Anthony?
08:25What, just so I don't want to upset the listeners?
08:27Well, it's just we had been –
08:28I'm supposed to tell the truth, am I not?
08:29Let's be fair.
08:30Both of us, and I think most people in town, have been very unfair and not open-minded on Dylan
08:36Gabriel.
08:36Without a doubt.
08:37Guilty as charged.
08:37Is it just that – just because – not necessarily anything he's done,
08:42it's just the other guys have not really –
08:45and by the way, everybody agrees that have been there,
08:48that Shador's been better than Deshaun.
08:50Honestly, I've kind of been by just what I saw on the football field in games.
08:54It has been because of what he's done.
08:57Okay.
08:58Because Supercomputer wasn't really there.
09:01Had a good, strong enough arm.
09:02Like, I know that some of that stuff has been embellished,
09:05and there's a couple, like, online things.
09:06But has a good enough, strong enough arm.
09:08Was able to throw a decent enough deep ball at Oregon,
09:11and then they just kind of float into the abyss like a kid's balloon
09:17that just gets off his hand and just goes into the sky.
09:20Like, there's some of those passes that still have not come down yet.
09:22They're in orbit somewhere.
09:25And I go off of that last year.
09:27And there were some really tough things said.
09:29And I didn't like that people booed him.
09:32But what are you going to do?
09:33So, and now we're hearing this year, it's a new coach,
09:37and that guy's supposed to be open-minded.
09:40And, again, if the other guys aren't going to do it,
09:42then I guess I'm going to get attacked for just trying to have an open mind.
09:46Well, it is crazy.
09:47I mean, we've seen strange things happen in the past.
09:50I go back to, what was it, 2007?
09:53Charlie Fry beats out Derek Anderson in their quarterback competition.
09:57And then what happened right after?
09:58It's benched at halftime in the opener and gets traded to the Seahawks.
10:00So, you know, we've had some strange, strange twists very early in seasons.
10:08And who knows?
10:09Like, right now, I remember it was a report last week.
10:12Was it Adam Schefter?
10:13One of them was like, oh, the quarterback room in Cleveland may change.
10:17It's like, yeah, it's probably going to change.
10:19It probably is going to change by October.
10:21Like, who knows what it's going to look like.
10:23It's just, we as a show have not even talked to Dylan Gabriel.
10:26I wasn't with you last week.
10:28No, no, I'm not just saying this week.
10:30I'm saying.
10:31Oh, God.
10:32I wouldn't have talked to Dylan Gabriel last week.
10:34We've had all offseason.
10:35We have not talked about him.
10:37We thought he was getting traded.
10:38We thought he was just going to rejoin with Kevin Stefanski.
10:41And he's getting the whole gang back together.
10:44I didn't know if he'd rejoin with Kevin Stefanski.
10:45I just figured he'd be out of here.
10:47And that'd be the end of it.
10:50I can only go by what I read, guys.
10:53Guys, I'm sorry.
10:56And if I'm seeing that the other two are not having a great camp, I'm only going by the reports.
11:03And the other one is having a better camp.
11:04And yes, I know.
11:05He's throwing to third teamers.
11:07And I know they haven't even put on pads.
11:09Like, real pads, real pads.
11:11Like, running into each other and all that stuff.
11:13I know things got a little bit hot and contested back on Saturday.
11:18Like, my buddy Brad Ward of Brownsville Breakdown is texting my ass off right now.
11:23He is – I wouldn't say he's incensed, but he can't – I go, guys, I can't believe it either.
11:28I'm not doing it just to upset everybody.
11:30I'm telling you guys the truth of the matter is that I just want to have an open mind towards
11:35everybody
11:35if we're going to consider of what the quarterback room is.
11:39Like, I don't think the delegate – they came out and they said when they took him,
11:44he's going to be a backup quarterback in the league.
11:46It was so bizarre.
11:47You took a career backup in the third round.
11:49Top 100.
11:50When you don't have a real starting quarterback at that juncture in the draft.
11:53But whatever.
11:54It ain't my draft.
11:56Interesting orders of operation.
11:58That's my whole thing of it.
12:00And now we're going into a year where it seems the old guy is still just his best football.
12:07It was way back there somewhere in the past.
12:09And the other guy, hey, there's strides here and there.
12:13It's fits and starts.
12:14But again, I'm only going by what I read.
12:16And the other guy seems to be doing decent.
12:19Okay.
12:19Why am I closing the book on that then?
12:22So I just build a wall in front of Dylan Gabriel?
12:27Is that it?
12:27I just take the other two and build a wall?
12:29Well, I understand three is a crowd and it can muddy the water up a bunch.
12:33You brought up the Derek Anderson, Charlie Fry thing, and that ended up being a good year.
12:38It ended with almost by luck.
12:40They pulled that out of the you know where.
12:42But I just have to keep an open mind to this.
12:46So there's going to be a lot of hemming and hawing.
12:48And I would like somebody over the next week and going into that Bears game to kind of take the
12:53reins of this thing and do it.
12:55Like, yes, Dylan Gabriel would still be, if I'm opening up the books of consideration, he would still be third
13:02on that list.
13:02And probably by a few steps third.
13:05But I don't think we're in any position to just sit there and slam the door on anybody we have,
13:12with the exception of Taylor Greene, because he's a six-round rookie for crying out loud.
13:15And look, the one thing you can say, we'll get to the phones here, I know people want to get
13:18in, is that Dylan Gabriel, like we do understand, last year was not a fertile area for any of the
13:26QBs to grow.
13:28Understand that.
13:29All the stuff we've said about Shador, it also is the same for Dylan Gabriel.
13:34Well, Dylan had more, a little more opportunity in camp, but still, as far as like a situation for a
13:40rookie to come into, horrific.
13:42And I have been steadfast.
13:45I'd like Shador to start the season.
13:46I want to see what he has.
13:48Before we move on to the 2027 class, CJ Carr and Lenora Sellers and Arch Manning and Julian saying,
13:58I don't want to be closed-minded.
14:01I want what I want.
14:04But I might have to accept what I'm going to get.
14:07And those are big differences, guys.
14:09Big differences.
14:10And I know there's a lot of people who go, Kenny, you should be out there beating the drum for
14:15your guy every day.
14:16Not if I am not honest.
14:18I'm going to be honest.
14:21Based on what I've read, not on what I've seen.
14:23I've seen three passes by the same guy.
14:25Three.
14:26Three.
14:26That many.
14:26By the same guy.
14:28There will be more to see this week for me.
14:31I've got to go on what I've read.
14:33What I read means maybe we should open up the book.
14:35That means he's a starter.
14:36I didn't say he should start week one against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
14:40No, no, no.
14:41No.
14:42I said there should be some consideration then.
14:45We are in no position to be picking and choosing now, are we?
