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00:00so you know him from the stinking truth podcast which you can now hear on 92 through the fan on
00:05sundays from 7 to 8 a.m on the wise heart right we make it right call kyle wright hotline
00:12the man they call stink mark slareth joining us now mark welcome to the show
00:17thank you man appreciate you guys well i gotta know we were just having this debate uh my co-host
00:23here saying game seven for the calves pistons was the perfect way to enjoy a game because the first
00:29half was tense and then the team we wanted to win ran away with the game at the end of
00:34that game so
00:35you didn't sweat for the second half i want four quarters of just fist fighting i want to live and
00:42die with every play even if cardiologically speaking that's not great for me at my size where are you
00:48do you like four quarters of pulse ponder do you like an easy win i like an easy win yeah
00:54you know
00:54what's funny you know what's funny for me is we get this i get this all the time where fans
00:59were are like hey we want to play that team at their best or we want the toughest path through
01:04the playoffs you know we want to prove and i'm like man i want all their guys to be injured
01:09i want every
01:10guy to have the flu i don't like i want i just want to whip their ass and get off
01:15the field and go home
01:16and so no i i for one like to not have to pay that close of attention you know i'd
01:22like to be able to
01:23get up and go get something to eat and have a conversation with whoever i'm watching the game
01:27with so i would rather have the uh have the easy win where i can just kind of enjoy it
01:33and not be
01:34stressed out all right mark let's get into the caps here uh right now we're just we've been debating
01:38for a week now who has the inside track between deshaun watson and chador sanders but one of the
01:43convos that has come from this is whether or not deshaun deserves a clean slate do you feel like
01:47the browns will be able to give him a clean slate and is that the right move a clean slate
01:53in tell me
01:54what that means what does a clean slate mean i think we're still trying to figure out so the idea
01:59is that todd munkin would come in and he would just he'd look at none of the the past he'd
02:04look at
02:04none of the injuries that happened with deshaun none of the play that happened with deshaun and he
02:08would just be evaluating based off of who he sees with his own eyes as looks like the better
02:12quarterback when the practice field uh and what the practice field would tell him essentially is
02:16what that is and and i i don't know that that's possible for us browns fans to have that but
02:20if
02:20todd munkin first year head coach here would he be able to have that yeah i think i mean i
02:26think
02:26that makes sense to me right to come in here and say hey man we're gonna wipe this thing clean
02:30it's
02:30gonna be an open competition um obviously deshaun watson's been a league and he's got some pelts on
02:35the wall from uh and although it's a long time ago that that he was good um but i think
02:42you come
02:43in here you give him the first reps and you give him an opportunity to go out there and to
02:48prove
02:48himself and to prove that he can play because he's he has proven that in the past and he has
02:53um he has
02:54operated when he was with houston at a very high level for for a time obviously so i think that's
03:01i think
03:01it's the best way i think that the thing i loved about playing in the nfl and i was a
03:0510th round
03:06pick that went on to start for 12 years but the big thing for me is the best players get
03:13to play
03:13regardless of who's getting paid what regardless of where you came from whether it was a big school
03:18or a small school uh it's meritocracy and the best players with good organizations that's how they
03:24operate hey if you're the best for that position you get to play and when i did a cleveland game
03:30late in the season out in cleveland watching him move watching the movement skills of deshaun
03:36watson and it was just individual right it was just him throwing an individual and him running boots
03:42and individual and all that stuff i just i was as i watched him i was like wow he looks
03:46like he's
03:47moving exceptionally well he looks like he's back from all these injuries and he's throwing the ball well
03:52so you know the biggest the biggest thing is going to become how how you operate essentially from the
03:58neck up how much of the offense you know how much you can assimilate and how you can execute the
04:04offense um do we have to hold you back do we have to pare down the offense for you to
04:08play
04:09and and that's a big part of playing quarterback that's a big part of choosing who's going to lead
04:14you into the future so it's interesting uh i see what you're saying from the monk inside of things
04:19the last time deshaun was on the field those i think it was seven or eight games somewhere in
04:24there in 2023 i'm sorry 2024 and it felt like there was a black cloud hanging over the organization
04:34because it was just a downer deshaun's mood was off there was a lot of pressure on that team a
04:40lot
04:40of expectations and when he got hurt it almost felt like a like a freed from the burden of whatever
04:46the
04:47hell was going on with deshaun at that point half of the locker room is still here from that so
04:51i'm
04:52curious like is it possible for guys in that locker room to to etch a sketch themselves and go
04:57i don't remember any of the bad football we played with deshaun previously
05:02yeah it depends on how he plays um they're like the locker room can be the most forgiving place
05:08on the planet and so if he plays well yeah it's easy to let that ghost up that stuff go
05:15i will tell you
05:16you know there are some guys and i've been in in the locker room with with you know all types
05:21there are some guys they can have all kinds of off the field issues and problems and they can use
05:29the football field as a sanctuary to go out there and play exceptionally well and it's like man how is
05:35this guy going out and doing that stuff um when he's got all these things hanging over him right
05:40right and some guys just have that ability to go thank goodness i'm away from all those problems
05:45i'm on the football field where i can just be me and then there are guys like me man things
05:51have to
05:51be right in my life when i step on the field because i'm human and that stuff bothers me and
05:58so i i think
05:59for for deshaun if he can come to grips with you know with his past and the things that happened
06:04to
06:04him in his past and the things that he was i mean i'm not giving him a whole past the
06:08things that he
06:08was involved in and he can go out there and just play well well hopefully that can become somewhat
06:15of a sanctuary for him i understand like all the all the things and all the accusations and all the
06:20you know all the lawsuits and all that stuff and i don't know how anybody would be able to step
06:25on the
06:26field and not have that black cloud hanging over them yeah do you feel like you can get past that
06:30because the question i would have is uh we've seen him be really good in practices for years now
06:34and then on the field mentally it's just different and it just doesn't translate and the time he's
06:40been in a browns uniform stink i mean i got like two good games out of 19 it just it's
06:44not the same as
06:45what we see on practices where we've seen for again for years him look awesome and in command and the
06:50ball is zipping out of his arm like all these things and something's not mentally translating there
06:57yeah again i have no idea and i have no idea like what's going through his head like how like
07:05how
07:05he he deals with the issues of the past and i have no idea if he can get you know
07:10step beyond that and
07:12go out there and play well but i will tell you this um watching him in practice like you guys
07:18and and
07:19you know mine's a very small sample size but watching and understanding what he was when he first came
07:24into the list league it's in him he has done it i mean he has been exceptional i mean we
07:30were talking
07:30in denver before all this thing all this stuff went down uh deshaun watson and people were talking about
07:37somewhere between three and five first rounders to trade for him and like everybody's like yeah that
07:44sounds reasonable like yeah i would do that and so i know that he's had it in him um i
07:51don't know
07:51what it's going to take for him to go out and to be able to play and i'm sure he
07:55hears you know i
07:56know how it is in an nfl stadium you know when the fans are hanging over the edge screaming at
08:01you
08:01and saying the things they say um it's kind of like social media and do you have the ability to
08:08just let that roll off your back or not and in the past it doesn't seem like he has been
08:13able to do
08:13that um i don't know if he'll be able to do that going forward i will say from a skill
08:18set
08:18standpoint what i what i know about football and what i know about playing quarterback um is he is
08:24he better than anybody else you have on your roster i would say 100 without equivocation he is
08:30um so he's like again munkin i think will give him the first opportunity to go out there
08:35and and perform but you you just never you just never know stink i got to refer to your your
08:44twitter
08:44here for for those who might not be aware you're based out of denver you had a great career a
08:49half
08:50your career was in denver uh i'm assuming that's where you live now and uh the avalanche are in the
08:55second round the semi-finals of the stanley cup playoffs they're up 2-0 uh but uh you put a
09:02tweet
09:02out i think it was last night or the night before that said quinn hughes looks like bruno from
09:06encanto how the hell do you know what bruno from encanto looks like because i've got like 12 year old
09:12kids that movie was like right in their wheelhouse i didn't know you would be have a frame of reference
09:16for encanto oh i've got grandkids i was thinking grandkids i mean i'm on the great i'm on the grand
09:22kid phase so yeah i mean i've watched encanto a million times and you cannot tell me that quinn
09:28hughes doesn't look like in as a matter of fact on my twitter feed right now i just retweeted it
09:33uh
09:33some guy put you know ai put uh put bruno from encanto in a in a uh minnesota wild jersey
09:41and uh
09:41identical it is identical oh no the analysis is spot on i was just shocked about the encanto part
09:48uh let me ask you about uh let me ask about todd munkin has he just been overlooked for
09:52x amount of years like are the browns getting basically a diamond in the rough or is there
09:57a reason why he hasn't been given the opportunity before yeah you know what i don't know i don't
10:03really know todd munkin it's funny um like most of the guys head coaches and former offensive
10:09coordinators and things i've done games where that guy has been you know in charge i haven't
10:16done a baltimore game in a while so um so it's funny todd munkin wasn't part of the organization
10:23last time i did a baltimore game and so i don't i've never met him i don't know him um
10:29and i can
10:29tell you he's highly regarded as a coordinator um but some of the you know some of those guys um
10:36um some of those guys it just depends on how you interview how dynamic you are in an interview
10:41process it was like vic fangio you know some guys kind of peter principle raised to the level of
10:48their incompetence and maybe they don't interview well maybe they're not that dynamic i will i will
10:52say this the other thing is is uh i'll call it age discrimination call it whatever you want
10:58but young offensive coordinators are like viagra to 80 year old owners i mean that that made they get
11:04you want to talk about excitement um and so when you get a little bit older they don't have that
11:10same level of excitement you know so that's an that's another one of those things that you that
11:16you get um you know you get with with you know ownership and with nfl franchises right now so
11:23i have no idea and i don't think anybody really knows how a guy is going to be until he
11:28gets that
11:29opportunity to be in charge and so i'm glad he got the opportunity uh we'll see exactly what
11:35what he makes of it but um uh i i know one thing i think he did a phenomenal job
11:40in baltimore um
11:42you know with with the development of lamar jackson um there were some times or criticisms
11:49in the playoffs where you just kind of forgot to run the ball or you didn't run the ball
11:53that that would be my only criticism of what i saw in his time as the coordinator in baltimore
11:59odyssey nfl insider mark slareth on the wise heart right we make it right call kyle right hotline
12:05and now you can hear the stinkin truth podcast every sunday from 7 to 8 a.m here on 92
12:11through the fan
12:12i'm not sure if you've caught up with the sanders family discourse here but uh a week ago mary k
12:19cabot
12:19very beloved reporter very respected reporter in town reported that deshaun watson came out of the
12:25first phase of many camps ahead of shador sanders shador's brother shiloh then responded on instagram
12:32that uh go make him a sandwich uh he has then doubled and tripled down on this i'm just curious
12:39have you caught up with the sanders family discourse and any thoughts you might have on it
12:45yeah well yeah i saw it and um and you know frankly um you know shador sanders you know based
12:53on
12:53the coaches i talked to i did several cleveland games last year the coaches on the staff uh they
12:59have no reason to lie to me um there was a lot of work to be done and on film
13:04and you study him there
13:05was a lot of work left to do so it doesn't surprise me that watson's ahead of the game um
13:12i mean he's a
13:13young player um and and so that doesn't that doesn't surprise me at all also doesn't surprise me
13:19uh that the sanders family had something to say about it i mean they they are very vocal when it
13:24comes to their support of shador and i think shador has got some you know growing up to do like
13:30we all
13:30did as young players uh and i think he's you know got some maturing to do not only as a
13:35person as we
13:36all do but as a football player um and there were there was aspects of his game based on the
13:42coaches
13:42that i talked to and i talked to a bunch of them uh that needed to develop that needed to
13:47be better
13:47so um yeah i i can understand where watson is better and and you know shiloh those comments are
13:55uh you know apparently he needs to grow up a little bit too so this is this is not about
14:01favorites and
14:02this is not about self-anointing and this is not about i am him and and all the you know
14:08legendary
14:09baloney uh that came out during the draft and everything else you got drafted in the fifth
14:14round uh for a reason is because you know your skill set or your interview process or whatever
14:22the case may be was not what nfl scouts and nfl management thought it should be and that's why
14:29you got drafted there there wasn't a there wasn't a conspiracy and kevin stefanski didn't
14:35like he didn't say oh shadour's in let's give him the crappy plays quick like we didn't change the
14:42game plan we didn't dumb like like we didn't we didn't uh you know try to sabotage you like
14:49the the shadour stands out there the the sycophants uh are they're so stupid and it's so ridiculous
14:59like the the organization yeah a coach wants to be fired so he's going to sabotage his young
15:06quarterback give me a break you guys cannot be this stupid stink it's always great to catch up
15:14with you i'm very happy to have you uh on the fan every single sunday from 7 to 8 p
15:20.m with the
15:20stinking truth podcast we appreciate you buddy you got it guys take care odyssey nfl insider mark
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