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«No pierdan la esperanza». La Dra. Jane Goodall reflexiona sobre la humanidad y la naturaleza en esta poderosa entrevista, que sabía que no veríamos hasta después de su muerte.
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11:07por meses, por meses y meses, por meses y meses, y todavía no experiencia de miedo para ti.
11:14No, porque en la naturaleza hay algo que hay que ver.
11:18Hay insectos, y se puede ver muchas cosas con insectos.
11:22Yo recuerdo una vez, los beteles, se entran a una pie de alguien que se siente,
11:27y hacen una pequeña bola, y se mueve esa bola, y se diga una hoja,
11:33se dropa la bola, y se ponen los huevos, y se ponen los huevos.
11:35Y se ponen los huevos, y se ponen los huevos, y se ponen los huevos.
11:38Y así, yo estaba viendo, y dos huevos se ven como este,
11:42y este es el huevo, uno va a pasar con el huevo, y otro va a pasar.
11:47Y este es el huevo, y el huevo, el huevo, el huevo, el huevo, el huevo, empezó a jugar.
11:53Así que el huevo, muy quieto, se movió la huevo en la huevo,
12:01y se ponen con el huevo.
12:02.
12:03Y, y, y, y, y...
12:04que la gente no se nota y estoy sorprendido porque la naturaleza siempre está llena de cosas a ver.
12:13Por otro ejemplo, en el aeropuerto de Denver, sparros pueden venir y había un pequeño drama
12:18que hubiera dos sparros y el femenino, lo cual era la mujer, así que ella estaba haciendo
12:25un deslato de mouth open y abajo en la tierra era un crumb que alguien dropped.
12:30Y, claramente, el male, quería que la mujer, quería que la mujer, con el crumb.
12:35Y, así, se fue, y, tres veces, justo a él era para pegarla,
12:39alguien viene por, viendo su teléfono, y, finalmente,
12:46se fue capaz de ir a la mujer.
12:48Yo, esto fue...
12:51Tengo 10 minutos y era divertido.
12:54No hay necesidad de estar bored.
12:55Right.
12:57Cuando la gente está viendo esto,
12:59el mundo realmente va a ser en collective mourning para ti.
13:03I suppose so.
13:05You only suppose so?
13:06You don't think so?
13:07I mean, people love you.
13:09I know.
13:10They come up and they say they love me.
13:12The strange thing is they don't actually know me.
13:16There are two Janes.
13:18There's this one, just talking.
13:22And then there's the icon.
13:24The people who don't know me love the icon.
13:27But it does seem that those people who do know me also love me.
13:32So why?
13:33I don't know.
13:34People say, you know, what is it about you?
13:37What do you think?
13:39Well, I think people trust me.
13:44I think they like the values I've always shown that I have.
13:49I don't know.
13:51I mean, this other Jane is a mystery to me.
13:53The icon is a mystery to you?
13:55Yeah.
13:56Because, you know, I know who I am.
13:58I'm just me.
13:59And yet people in airports come up and start to cry.
14:05Oh, my God.
14:06And I always say, I'm not your God.
14:08I'm just Jane.
14:09Do you remember when you first realized that icon Jane existed?
14:16I remember with shock and horror the first time something happened.
14:20I was in Santa Fe and this elderly couple came up.
14:24And the woman, I mean, this is really weird.
14:27This only happened to me ever once again.
14:29She looked at me and she said, can I touch you?
14:33I said, what is this?
14:36And so I said, well, we could shake hands.
14:41That happened to me again two years ago.
14:44But normally people, you know, want to take a selfie or want me to sign something.
14:50What do you think?
14:51What do you think she wanted or needed by touching you?
14:54What do you think she was trying to?
14:56I had no idea.
14:56I was shocked.
14:57And after that, I suddenly realized, well, somehow this has happened.
15:01And I think I have a mission in this life.
15:04So I'll make use of that.
15:06You're always on mission.
15:08You're always on mission.
15:10Yeah.
15:12Even when I'm really tired.
15:13I mean, that's what I'm on this planet for.
15:16I truly believe that.
15:17And I think it's important as people turn to you to say, what's the fight?
15:21Where's the battle?
15:22Where should we look?
15:23What should we do?
15:25Identifying who the people who, who the battle is against, I think, I think is important.
15:30Do you have people that you don't like?
15:34Absolutely.
15:35There are people I don't like.
15:37And I would like to put them on one of Musk's spaceships and send them all off to the planet.
15:42He's sure he's going to discover.
15:44Would he be, would he be one of them?
15:46Oh, absolutely.
15:47He'd be the host.
15:49And you can imagine who I'd put on that spaceship.
15:52Who?
15:53Along with Musk would be Trump and some of Trump's real supporters.
15:58And then I would put Putin in there.
16:00And I would put President Xi.
16:03I'd certainly put Netanyahu in there and his far right government.
16:08Put them all on that spaceship and send them off.
16:11These men seem like not the alpha chimp.
16:17They think they are, but it seems that their behavior is not...
16:20Well, we get, interestingly, two types of alpha.
16:23One does it all by aggression.
16:27And because they're strong and they fight, they don't last very long.
16:32Others do it by using their brains, like a young male will only challenge a higher ranking one
16:39if his friend, often his brother, is with him.
16:44And, you know, they last much, much longer.
16:47Interesting.
16:48As a scientist who studies behaviors, how do you explain the behavior like that,
16:57of people behaving that way?
16:58How do you make sense of that?
17:00Well, in the 70s, science of behavior became politicized.
17:07And there was a huge debate about whether aggression in humans was innate or learned.
17:14Well, from my study of chimpanzees, our closest relative, you know, we share 98.7% of our DNA with
17:21them,
17:22and the behavior is almost identical.
17:25And so I saw them behaving in dark, aggressive, brutal ways, even a kind of primitive war.
17:36Therefore, I believe that aggression is innate.
17:41Innate?
17:42Innate.
17:43And we're born with a tendency to become aggressive, just as chimps are.
17:49Chimps see a stranger from a neighboring community, and they get all excited,
17:53and the hair stands out, and they reach out and touch another.
17:57And they've got these faces of anger and fear.
18:01And it catches, and the others catch that feeling that this one male has had.
18:06And they all become aggressive.
18:08So it's contagious.
18:10And humans are susceptible to that as well.
18:13Yeah, I think so.
18:14Some of these demonstrations that turn aggressive, it sweeps through them.
18:19They all want to become and join in and become aggressive.
18:22I'm not a political analyst or anything like that.
18:26But a behavioral for the chimps, why did they get caught up in it?
18:30Well, they're protecting their territory or fighting for dominance.
18:35And is that the same for humans?
18:37Probably sometimes, yes.
18:39But I truly believe that most people are decent.
18:42You do?
18:43Yes.
18:44Ignorance you can reach.
18:46You're saying evil you can't reach.
18:48Yes.
18:48But you believe that you're out there.
18:50Part of your mission is to cure ignorance.
18:54And, you know, as I say, my biggest hope is raising this new generation
18:59of compassionate citizens, roots and shoots.
19:02But do we have time?
19:03I don't know.
19:04It's a really grim time.
19:07Is this, in all the years you have been fighting this fight,
19:11do you feel like it's the most dangerous time or the darkest time?
19:14Well, I suppose if I had been older than five years old when World War II began, I would say
19:22it's about like that.
19:24But because all of Europe was defeated or capitulated and it looked as though Nazi Germany would take the world
19:32over.
19:32But since then, yes, this is much the worst time.
19:37When you look back now on all these moments when you were relentless and shameless about winning the fight,
19:46is it the mission, is it something in you that just doesn't ever want to give up?
19:50Never want to give up and I'm obstinate and I won't give up.
19:55That doesn't mean you don't have moments of depression, because you do.
19:59But then you come out of it and say, okay, I'm not going to let them win.
20:05It's like Churchill in the war.
20:08When Britain was the last nation standing up to Nazi Germany,
20:12Britain was not prepared for war because of Chamberlain, who wanted to capitulate like France.
20:18But we had Churchill. And you know his famous speech,
20:21we'll fight them on the beaches and we'll fight them in the streets and the cities.
20:25And then he turned aside to a friend and was heard to say,
20:29we'll fight them at the ends of broken bottles because that's all we bloody well got.
20:34And he roused the spirit of the British people. I guess he was as obstinate as me.
20:39Do you feel like Churchill in a war for your mission for the planet? Does it feel like a war
20:47to you?
20:47Well, it is a sort of war, isn't it? I haven't thought of it as a war, but in a
20:51way it is.
20:52We talk about a fight. So I suppose it's a kind of a war.
21:00It's saving Mother Nature.
21:02Right. And you need a Churchill in that fight who says, we're never quitting even when it's the darkest.
21:10Yes. And give people hope. One thing people say to me from all over, it's been said to me again
21:17and again and again.
21:19You know, whatever situation you are in, they say, you're calm. How can you stay so calm?
21:27And so I think it's because of all the months and months I spent in the rainforest. And I keep
21:35that.
21:36Right. We talked a little about the idea of boredom, but also the idea of luck.
21:39Yes, luck.
21:40I think a lot of people could look and say, well, a friend happened to tell you about Dr. Leakey.
21:46He was probably the world's most famous paleontologist at the time. And he happened to have needed a secretary.
21:52Yes. Somebody said, as you said, if you're interested in animals, you should meet Lewis Leakey.
21:58But when I met him, he was head of the Natural History Museum in Nairobi.
22:05He took me all around. He asked me lots of questions. I could answer most of them because I'd read
22:10about every book on animals in Africa that I could lay my hands on.
22:15There weren't many back then. And guess what? Just before I arrived, his secretary had left and he wanted a
22:23secretary.
22:24And there I was. It was not a normal secretarial job. I was in his office, which was huge and
22:30filled with skulls and bones.
22:32And, you know, sometimes people had brought in animals and so on.
22:36And I rescued a little pygmy bush, maybe about this big, with big ears. And for some odd reason, I
22:46called him Levi. I don't know why.
22:47And he came with me to work. And he liked they sleep in the day. So he would sleep in
22:54a gourd, which was right over Leakey's desk.
22:57But if a visitor came in, Levi's head would peep out of the gourd. He'd look down at the visitor.
23:05And then he would, and Leakey knew this was going to happen. He'd jump onto the unsuspecting visitor.
23:12But when a bush baby jumps, they want their hands to be able to grip. So they pee on them.
23:19So, you know, imagine the fun.
23:21And then the key thing was that Leakey let me go with him, his wife and another young girl on
23:30a trip to Alderwey Gorge, now a very famous site of early man.
23:35But back then, no fossil, human fossils had been found.
23:39Three months in the middle of nowhere. Serengeti as nobody will ever see it again. Animals everywhere.
23:46And Gillian and I would work hard all day digging for fossils. And then we were allowed out to have
23:53a walk.
23:54And the animals were there. So one evening, there was a young male lion, fully grown, mane just starting on
24:03his shoulders.
24:04He was standing, looking, tail waving gently. I think he was curious.
24:11Gillian panicked. She wanted us to hide in the vegetation. I said,
24:16Gillian, the lion will know where we are. We won't have a clue where the lion is.
24:20We must climb up onto the plains from the gorge, not very far.
24:24And so he says that we're not a threat, which is what we did.
24:29And I think it was that evening around the campfire that Leakey decided that I was the person he'd been
24:35looking for to study chimps.
24:37So it was a way that was part destiny, part luck, part determination.
24:44Do you believe in destiny?
24:46I believe that we have a path that we should take, but that we have free will.
24:54We don't have to make the choice.
24:56And I believe, looking back, in my life, I've taken the right turn.
25:03I mean, if I'm right that I was born with a mission, then it was the voice of that spiritual
25:12entity that put me on the planet.
25:15Do you believe in God?
25:18I believe in a great spiritual power. I have to believe in it because it's helped me so often.
25:25And do you think that spiritual power has also protected you out in the wild?
25:30I'm sure it has. I just feel it has to be.
25:36You have a magic when it comes to nature. Obviously, you have a magic that others don't have that Leakey
25:42saw.
25:43It wasn't just that you were a woman and they thought a woman would be better there.
25:46It wasn't just that you were good at being non-threatening. There's some other magic you have that the...
25:51It is a magic. And strange things, I do have strange...
25:56Like I was just talking to a group of people. We were having a party just with friends.
26:02And one person said, I was somewhere where Jane stopped the rain and they laughed.
26:08And I said, no, it's true.
26:12How did you do it?
26:13Well, I just asked the rain to stop.
26:20And most times it doesn't listen when we asked the rain to stop.
26:22No, I know. But it happened again in Malaysia. And I was with this small, tiny group.
26:28She was a shaker, you know, the wife of a shake, powerful lady.
26:32And it was the monsoon season, which starts like clockwork.
26:36And somehow, I don't know, we got it a bit wrong.
26:39And just before the end, when the two little boys were going to make a wee presentation of Roots and
26:45Shoots,
26:45the first big drops fell. And she said, we'd better go inside.
26:50And I said, no, let's hold hands around the table and out the rain just to give us half an
26:55hour.
26:56And it stopped.
26:58Have you always had that kind of connection where you actually talk and it talks back?
27:04Well, you know, it's only recently I've begun putting it all together and saying that, I don't know.
27:10Doesn't happen that often.
27:12Besides speaking chimp, actually speaking the language of chimp, with animals there is a connection that's very real and pure
27:20and nonverbal with them.
27:22Yes, I think so.
27:22And with nature in general. It's what, you know, it's what kept you safe, I imagine, out in the jungle
27:28all that time, for the most part.
27:29Well, maybe, but I learned something interesting. You know, when I first went, it was Tanganyika, was a British protectorate.
27:38And so the British authorities told Leakey, we're not taking responsibility for something as stupid as sending a girl into
27:46the forest.
27:47But he never gave up. So in the end, they said, all right, but she can't come alone. That's why
27:52mom volunteered to come.
27:53So we stepped onto the shore. And we'd been told there was a headman. And we'd been told to bring
28:00him a gift. So we gave it to him.
28:03Very soon after that, mom had the Sittil Clinic. And the fisherman began chewing up.
28:11She only had aspirins and Epsom salts and saline drips and things like that. But she spent time with people.
28:18And she made some amazing cures. So the word spread. And so I learned much, much, much later, two of
28:28our field staff, I was talking to them.
28:30And they said, that guy, Edie Matata, the headman, he was the most infamous witch doctor the area's ever known.
28:39And so Edie told all the fishermen they were to help me. And they told, he told the animals not
28:48to hurt me.
28:49He told the animals. Yes. That's what I learned years later. So how do we know? How do we know?
28:59There's so much we have still to discover.
29:03You know, and I know when I'm gone, there'll be more and more discovered if we can save the planet
29:09in time.
29:10Mm-hmm. Where are you now as people are watching this? What's next?
29:16Well, you know, when you die, there's either nothing, in which case nothing, or there's something.
29:25And from all the experiences I've read, you know, the near-death experiences, the books I've read, and my own
29:33personal experience, after my second husband Derek died, I believe there is something.
29:39What was that experience?
29:41After he died, there was one night, and Derek appeared, and he was smiling, and he was telling me, you
29:50know, everything was going to be fine, and he was fine, and then he kind of disappeared.
29:57After that, all I was left with was he was okay.
30:02Wow.
30:04And reincarnation kind of makes sense. I mean, a lot of religions talk about an old soul. An old soul
30:11has been back in different forms, and, you know, they gradually, gradually acquire knowledge and wisdom.
30:20Many people have told me I'm an old soul.
30:23Yeah, if we keep coming back reincarnating in order to evolve, I feel like you're done. I feel like this
30:30is it for you. I feel like...
30:31I hope so. I don't want to come back.
30:34And do you think people come back as the dung beetle, or they come back always as humans with other
30:38opportunities?
30:40I personally think that we'd come back as humans, because, you know, we've evolved to a different kind of level,
30:47and I don't know.
30:49Well, maybe some humans should go back down there.
30:52You've mentioned a couple on that rocket ship, I think.
30:55Yes, maybe they come back.
30:56Though those dung beetles seem very happy and productive.
30:58Yes, I wouldn't want them to be dung beetles, I think. I don't know what I'd want them to be.
31:03Oh, yes, they could be the poor, wretched animals who were used in laboratories to test medicines on. Let them
31:11be those.
31:12And learn.
31:13And learn.
31:13One thing I was very moved by was that in Gombe there were certain chimps that you clearly had a
31:19closer relationship with.
31:21You had David Greybeard, who famously showed you that they can use tools.
31:25Yeah.
31:26You had Flo and her son Flint, and when Flo died, that Flint, her son, died of grief, of a
31:36broken heart.
31:37Yes.
31:38He stopped eating.
31:41And out in the tropics, when an animal dies, very, very quickly flies lay their eggs, and they're white.
31:49And so chimps are very used to dead animals who don't move with these white eggs.
31:54And Flint, when Flo died, he came down about five or six times, took his mother's hand.
32:03He wanted her to groom him.
32:05So he took her dead hand.
32:07And then, I think it was the fifth time he came down, Fly had laid eggs in her ear.
32:14And there were these white eggs in her ear.
32:16And he poked them, looked at his finger, ran away, rubbed his finger on the ground like that, and never
32:24went near her again.
32:25It was as though something clicked.
32:29She's not going to move again.
32:32And after that, he climbed a tree where I had watched them nest before she died, just a few days
32:39before she died.
32:40And he walked very slowly along the branch to where their joint nest was.
32:46And he just stood there, and he looked at it for about a minute.
32:53And then he turned slowly, walked away, climbed down, curled up on the ground, and that was it.
33:03Yeah, it was very sad.
33:09So when you die, who are the people that you love the most who will be there to welcome you?
33:15I have no idea.
33:17I just don't know.
33:18But I just hope and pray that some of the chimps, that my special chimps, David Greybeard, Rusty, my childhood
33:26dog, Rusty, and some of the others.
33:28I hope they'll be there, and of course I hope Mom.
33:33And so, yeah.
33:35What about Derek or Hugo or your husbands?
33:40Well, it wouldn't matter so much.
33:43How come?
33:44I don't know.
33:47Did you ever feel that kind of closeness to them you felt with the chimps, or with Hugo or Derek,
33:51the men you were married to, or your mom, that you felt?
33:57Mom was different, and obviously it was a different kind of, you know, love.
34:03These things are different.
34:04There's lots of kinds of love.
34:06And the love that I had for Derek and for Hugo and for Mom, all different from the love I
34:12had with David Greybeard and Rusty.
34:16I think it's interesting that, like when it comes to, when it came to romance in your life, was it
34:23something that you felt deeply?
34:26I mean, I find it interesting if you're saying that you don't have the same thoughts of them greeting you,
34:33the ones who you love the most.
34:41Because, let me talk about how I was, and I think about how I was, that, difficult to explain, but
34:53in some ways, the two marriages I made were made, like Hugo helped the course I'm on by his film.
35:05Derek helped the course I'm on because four of my students were kidnapped in 1974, Gombe was closed, and but
35:14for Derek it would have ended.
35:17And had it been otherwise, I know I shouldn't have married either of them, because both of them were insanely
35:28jealous.
35:30Even if I had a girlfriend, insanely jealous, Hugo was more interested in his career than his son, in some
35:42ways, although he loved him.
35:44Um, Derek was, neither of them could bear the fact that I was, you know, successful in my career, even
35:57though Derek was a minister and everything.
36:00And so you got, you got married because it was practical?
36:05No, I was in love at the time.
36:07You were in love.
36:07Yes.
36:09But looking back on it, I wasn't enough in love.
36:12Right.
36:13And looking back on it, it looks as though I married them for a practical reason.
36:18I didn't at the time.
36:20But I'm looking back on how I was, not as I am.
36:26Right.
36:27Was there ever a man who you didn't end up marrying, who you did feel that kind of love, that
36:31somebody that got away?
36:34There was one married man, yes.
36:37Who was that?
36:37No.
36:38No.
36:39No.
36:39I mean, you're, now's the time if you're going to.
36:41Now's the time I'm dead, but probably this man has relatives, no.
36:46If we don't talk about him specifically, but talk about what it was that you felt for him.
36:53Well, we both have the same interests, the same passion for animals.
37:00He had a wife that, you know, he wasn't that passionate about anymore.
37:07I was between marriages at that time.
37:11And, and, and there was no chance of him leaving her and you guys being together?
37:16No.
37:18Was that a heartbreak?
37:20It was sad at the time.
37:23Yeah.
37:24Do you, um, do you have any regrets about looking back at your life?
37:29Uh, well, I, I would, for my son's sake, I would like the first marriage to have worked.
37:35But there were so many ways in which it, it really didn't.
37:40Did he take the divorce hard?
37:41Did Grub take the divorce hard?
37:42I think he did.
37:44Yeah.
37:46But, um.
37:47How did that, how did that show up?
37:48How did he, how did you know?
37:51Well, because he became rather silent and, but it wasn't a real bad upset.
37:58Cause he didn't have that good a time with his father.
38:02Right.
38:03He just wasn't maybe somebody who was made to be a very involved father.
38:10I think something like that.
38:12I mean, there was one, it was Grub's first known Christmas.
38:16He was two.
38:17And we were on the Serengeti, uh, Ngorongoro.
38:22And, uh, the wildebeest, you know, they, they migrate and a certain time they swim across
38:29a river.
38:30And it's very dramatic to film.
38:32Mm-hmm.
38:33And so a film team, I think it was Japanese, came and asked Hugo to show them where this
38:39would happen.
38:40Hugo had filmed it already.
38:42And so he told them.
38:44And it was Christmas Day.
38:46We found a little, wasn't a proper Christmas tree, but Grub was going, Daddy's coming and
38:52we're going to have presents at lunchtime.
38:54And the team, afterwards they said, we kept telling your husband, we don't need you now.
39:00You've shown us where this is going to happen.
39:02It's Christmas.
39:03You need to go back to your family.
39:05You know, but he stayed out all day.
39:07That, I think that was the thing that cinched it for me.
39:12You were done.
39:13It was horrible.
39:14It was like, you know, this little boy was so excited.
39:20Yeah.
39:20Maybe he was three even.
39:22I can't remember.
39:26Oh, of course I've never told Grub that.
39:29So maybe he's listening now.
39:32So sorry, Grub.
39:35Do you have any guilt about how you raised him?
39:39No, because I wasn't away from him one day until he was after three, one night.
39:45So as he is now, the Flint in this situation, sitting, watching this, grieving you, what
39:51would you say to him?
39:53What would I say to him?
39:57We have a relationship that's closer now than it has been for some time.
40:04And I think he resented the fact that, I mean, he's remembering that I left him for the chimps, which
40:13isn't true.
40:14He now knows that.
40:16That's why we got closer again.
40:21So, I think all I say to him is, Grub, I did my best for you.
40:26And I think somehow made a pretty good job of it because I'm proud of you.
40:34I think that's something that a son would want to hear from their mother more than anything.
40:38That, I mean, he knows you love him, but that you're proud of him.
40:42Yeah, I've told him.
40:45I'm proud of my grandchildren, too.
40:47Do you have any messages for them from the beyond?
40:50I know you'll be sorry I'm not here, but you'll be carrying on the same kind of effort that I
40:57made to make the world a better place.
41:00And you know my spirit's with you.
41:03And I'll know what you're doing.
41:07This is a moment right now, as people are watching this, where maybe the biggest story in the world is
41:12that you've passed away.
41:14I think it'll be a global story.
41:16I think there'll be global mourning.
41:18And I think a lot of people will be talking about who you were.
41:21So, who would you say you were?
41:25I would say I was somebody sent to this world to try to give people hope in dark times.
41:33Because without hope, we fall into apathy and do nothing.
41:38And in the dark times that we are living in now, if people don't have hope, we're doomed.
41:46And how can we bring little children into this dark world we've created and let them be surrounded by people
41:54who've given up?
41:55So even if this is the end of humanity as we know it, let's fight to the very end.
42:04Let's let the children know, you know, that there is hope if they get together.
42:09And even if it becomes impossible for anybody, it's better to go on fighting to the end than just to
42:16give up and say, okay.
42:19And if I asked 10-year-old Jane, who are you? What would she say?
42:28I would say I'm just an ordinary little girl, rather shy, but also quite obstinate.
42:35And that I want to go to Africa and I want to live with animals.
42:40Yeah, I feel like there's a difference between the Jane answer and the icon Jane answer.
42:44I feel like the first one was the icon Jane answer and the second one was the Jane answer.
42:48That's right.
42:49It seems like your understanding of yourself was pretty clear at 10.
42:52Yeah, I knew what I wanted to do.
42:54And you knew who you were.
42:56I knew who I was.
42:58Is it hard to think about leaving the fight?
43:01Well, I fought for so long, I think I've probably been accomplishing the reason I was put on this planet.
43:11And there comes a time when I'm really ready to hand over to others that have picked up the same
43:19spirit.
43:20Is there a certain feeling of relief that you'll be able to put that down?
43:24Sometimes I think, oh, goodness, I really don't want to go on.
43:28And it's getting harder because the world is getting darker.
43:33And it's, you know, it's not just in the U.S., but this swing to the far right,
43:39which is harming the environment so terribly in the midst of the sixth great extinction.
43:46We've got climate change.
43:49And, you know, everywhere I go, things are different.
43:54Yeah, and I think if anybody reads about those other five extinction events,
43:58you don't want to be a part of those.
43:59You don't want to be around for when those happen.
44:01It's not pleasant for anyone.
44:03It would be horrible, and that's why action must be now.
44:08I have no doubt that we have the tools to make the change.
44:13But do we have the will to make the change?
44:16And it seems with some of the top politicians and corrupt corporations, there is no such will.
44:22The reason why you claim that you were able to connect with the chimps was that you were not threatening
44:30to them.
44:31And then what I've read is you used that same technique to be an activist.
44:37Yeah.
44:38Is that you would use that.
44:40Yes, because I just don't think being aggressive ever works.
44:47You know, if you meet somebody who disagrees, first of all, listen to them.
44:51Because maybe they've got something that, well, got an idea that you hadn't thought about.
44:56And then, if you still think you're on a better track than they are, how you've got to reach the
45:03heart.
45:04It's no good fighting with the head because they're not going to listen.
45:07Especially a big, powerful man with me.
45:09And so then, fortunately, as I've lived longer, I've got more stories.
45:15Because to reach the heart, you can usually do it with a story.
45:18I do quite a lot of talks to CEOs of big corporations.
45:23And this was our CEO in Singapore.
45:26He came up to me afterwards and he said,
45:29What tipped the balance for me was my little girl, eight years old.
45:34She came home from school one day and she said,
45:36Daddy, they tell me that what you're doing is hurting the planet.
45:40That's not true, is it, Daddy?
45:42Because it's my planet.
45:45That reached the heart.
45:47And so when I tell that story, that reaches other hearts.
45:51Right.
45:52And, you know, living through World War II, when everything was rash and you learned not to take things for
45:58granted.
46:00So our kids today take things for granted, but you can't blame them.
46:03They expect water to come from a tap.
46:06They expect a light to come on when you turn a switch.
46:09They expect to have food.
46:10It's not their fault that they take it for granted.
46:13I saw that you reuse your coffee grinds twice, yeah?
46:17Yes.
46:17Not always.
46:18If I go to a hotel, you know, every bin, every paper, waste paper thing, it's got a plastic in.
46:26Well, that means for one day, maybe four plastic bags are wasted.
46:31So I take a, there's usually some paper carton of something or a used something.
46:38And I put all the waste in that.
46:40I don't use those bags.
46:43And is that, is that it is, is it, is it big mission, little actions?
46:46Is that kind of the idea?
46:48Like if millions of people do things like that, it makes big change.
46:52That's the main message of Roots & Shoots.
46:55Yeah.
46:56All right.
46:57So we've sort of come to the end of the interview.
47:00You are magic.
47:01And this conversation has been magic for me.
47:04I don't want to thank you.
47:05That's been interesting for me too.
47:06I'm really glad.
47:07Yeah.
47:08I want to just read a little something here as a thank you to you.
47:12There's no question you are the mother and mother nature.
47:16You've redefined how we view our relationship with animals, the environment, and each other.
47:20In terms of your impact in the scientific world, you stand among the greatest of all time.
47:26The only hope for our planet's survival lies in the countless individuals you've inspired to make a difference.
47:31You've spent almost a half century traveling the world, imparting wisdom and hope and guidance to millions of people.
47:37And now I'm going to step out so you can use this opportunity to do it one last time.
47:44Yes.
47:45Everybody's going to want to know what you want to leave us with.
47:49So the death.
47:50Okay.
47:50I don't be like Macbeth.
47:52Now is a very witching time of night.
47:55When churchyard's yawn and hell itself breathes forth contagion to the night.
48:00Now I could drink hot blood and do such bitter deeds as day would quake to look on.
48:06I think if Jane Goodall were to have those be her final words to the world, that would be iconic.
48:13I think people wouldn't believe it.
48:16Hopefully some people still read Shakespeare.
48:19Yes, I think so.
48:20I mean, if they haven't, they're certainly going to be inspired to after hearing that.
48:24And before you step out, shall we have a toast?
48:26I would never turn down the opportunity to have a drink with Jane Goodall because I feel like that would
48:32be a sin that would follow me the rest of my life.
48:35So yes, even though everyone forgive me for the face I'm about to make as I drink this.
48:40But you don't need to drink it.
48:42No, I want to with you so much.
48:44No, no, no, I can't.
48:45You know, after my mother died and six, six months after her sister died and my sister and me were
48:52sitting talking and I started imagining.
48:56I said, oh, can't you see this beautiful white cloud up there?
48:59And mom's up there.
49:01And if there's any heavenly spirit, she's got it.
49:06So let's drink a toast.
49:08My sister said, oh, and if our father is up there, you know, he'd be zooming around in his Aston
49:15Martin and trying to get mom for a ride.
49:17Because when he was 80, he used to sneak away from his second wife and call mom every Sunday.
49:24Oh, wow.
49:26So anyway.
49:27Oh, I didn't know that was it.
49:28Wow.
49:28So we can drink to the cloud contingent.
49:30We will drink to the cloud contingent.
49:32Anybody dead that you've loved is up there too.
49:34I hope they're all enjoying it.
49:36So we drink to the cloud contingent.
49:37And the health of the planet.
49:39Yes.
49:39And our children and grandchildren, I drink to the future.
49:50Mmm, I grin.
49:53What a delight.
49:54So thank you.
49:55I leave you to it.
49:57Thank you, Jane.
50:10In the place where I am now, I look back over my life.
50:16I look back at the world I've left behind.
50:20What message do I want to leave?
50:23I want to make sure that you all understand that each and every one of you has a role to
50:31play.
50:32You may not know it.
50:34You may not find it.
50:36But your life matters.
50:38And you are here for a reason.
50:40And I just hope that that reason will become apparent as you live through your life.
50:47I want you to know that whether or not you find that role that you're supposed to play, your life
50:54does matter.
50:54And that every single day you live, you make a difference in the world.
51:00And you get to choose the difference that you make.
51:04I want you to understand that we are part of the natural world.
51:09And even today, where the planet is dark, there still is hope.
51:17Don't lose hope.
51:18If you lose hope, you become apathetic and do nothing.
51:23And if you want to save what is still beautiful in this world, if you want to save the planet
51:30for the future generations, your grandchildren, their grandchildren,
51:37then think about the actions you take each day.
51:42Because multiplied a million, a billion times, even small actions will make for great change.
51:50I want to, I just hope that you understand that this life on planet Earth isn't the end.
52:00I believe, and now I know, that there is life beyond death, that consciousness survives.
52:11I can't tell you from where I am secrets that are not mine to share.
52:17I can't tell you what you will find when you leave planet Earth.
52:22But I want you to know that your life on planet Earth will make some difference in the kind of
52:31life that you find after you die.
52:34Above all, I want you to think about the fact that we are part, when we're on planet Earth, we
52:42are part of Mother Nature.
52:45We depend on Mother Nature for clean air, for water, for food, for clothing, for everything.
52:53And as we destroy one ecosystem after another, as we create worse climate change, worse loss of diversity,
53:06we have to do everything in our power to make the world a better place.
53:12For the children alive today, and for those that will follow.
53:18You have it in your power to make a difference.
53:23Don't give up. There is a future for you.
53:26Do your best while you are still on this beautiful planet Earth that I look down upon from where I
53:34am now.
53:35God bless you all.
53:57God bless you all.ino
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