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00:00We go out to the River Islands guest line and say hello again to our friend who we haven't
00:03talked to since football season. That is Mark Schlaireth. Odyssey NFL Insider Calls are brought
00:10to you by Liberty Mutual Insurance. Only pay for what you need. How you been, Stink? What's going
00:16on? Nothing, man. I've been great. How are you guys doing? We're doing fantastic, man. What's
00:23your entry point to this whole thing tonight? Like, what do you think is going to define
00:29round one of the draft? What are some standout moments you're looking for tonight?
00:33Well, you know, it's interesting. I mean, look at Ohio State. They may have, they may legitimately,
00:40I don't know, four defensive players from Ohio State getting drafted in the first 15 picks.
00:46How'd they lose a game? Like, how do you, like, I mean, it's unbelievable. Look at guys like
00:53Caleb Downs is an absolute kid. I walked into my study to watch him play and I put a tie
01:00on the doorknob and told my wife, don't come in here. You know, I'm watching Caleb Downs
01:04film. Like, it's ridiculous. So, yeah, Ohio State's got some big time players. I think
01:12there's some, I think there's some really, like, one thing about the NFL draft, there's legitimately
01:17probably 15 to 17 players that have legit first round grades. And then after that, you're kind of
01:27a second rounder. So, it's really interesting to me. Will teams try to move up in the top 15
01:35and package some draft picks together? I don't think you're going to have a lot of success moving
01:40down late in the draft. You know, sometimes people will parlay a couple of second rounders
01:45for the 32nd overall or the 30th overall pick. I don't know if that's going to happen this
01:50year. Is that because there's one, maybe two quarterbacks in the first round or is it just
01:55because of a general lack of overall surefire first round talent? I think a lot of it has
02:02to do with quarterbacks. I think what you see in the NFL draft is a lot of quarterbacks that
02:07get shoved up like a couple of years ago where, you know, six guys are up there, but three of
02:14them have legitimate first round grades and the others don't, you know? So, I think that's
02:19something you see on occasion. I think there's some really good, like, big time offensive linemen
02:27in this draft. I think there's some big time, you know, D linemen. I think there's some good
02:33line of scrimmage players in this draft that you could lock in and have those guys be around for
02:39the next, I don't know, next, you know, dozen years. I mean, Stink, you're talking the 49er fan
02:45language right now. They could probably use help on both sides of that line. And here's my question
02:52for you. They're in a weird spot. They know that they need some offensive line help. They know they
02:57need an heir apparent to Trent Williams, but they also signed him to two more years. Does it make
03:04sense in your mind for the 49ers to think offensive line in round one in that situation?
03:12Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think you look at, I think you look at that and you say, man, what
03:18a
03:18great opportunity for us to not only get a guy that's going to play for a while, but has the
03:26versatility and then eventually can replace a Trent Williams. Not that you ever replaced that guy
03:33because he is a absolute freak show, but you know what I'm saying? You can groove a guy. Remember
03:39back in the day, and I'm going to take you guys back a while because this guy played with God
03:44rest
03:44his soul because he's one of the great dudes and one of the great players in this league for a
03:49long
03:49time. But when the Baltimore Ravens drafted Jonathan Ogden, future Hall of Famer, they played
03:56him at guard his first year because Tony Jones was their starting left tackle. And Tony Jones was a
04:03Pro Bowl player in his own right, a great player. He came to Denver and we won a couple of
04:08Super Bowls
04:09together. But because of Tony Jones and how good he was, they groomed Jonathan Ogden and let him play,
04:16you know, offensive guard for his first season. So like there's an opportunity to still draft a dude
04:23that you think, hey, eventually this guy is going to be a big time tackle for us. But as of
04:28right now,
04:28we're just going to put him at the guard position or we're going to put him at the right tackle,
04:33but whatever, wherever you want to play him. And he's going to be, you know, he's going to be great
04:38for us. So I think there's an opportunity to do that. Um, and you know, and still find a dude
04:44that,
04:44that will give you, you know, will give you great things. Defensive tackle, I think there's some
04:49really good D tackles in this draft as well. That may not, the thing about defensive tackles,
04:55guys, they're not usually polished coming out of, out of college because they just physically
05:00dominate people in college. So they don't really develop as pass rushers. So it takes a little bit
05:05of time for those guys to be developed, um, in the league, but there's some really good run
05:11defenders in this draft that I think are big time players inside that might be around later in the
05:17draft when the 49ers are going to pick. So you mentioned the idea of having a guy who's a tackle
05:23kick into guard for a while. How rare is that? You mentioned Jonathan Ogden, who is Hall of Fame
05:28caliber. Is that really a rare player who can actually do that? No, it's, it's much easier to
05:36kick inside. Like, I mean, come on, I played guard in the league for 12 years. If I can play
05:41anybody can play inside, we said, my coach used to say, man, I can get bums off the highway to
05:46do
05:46what guards and centers do. It's tackles that we covet. So it's for a guard, like if a guy like
05:53me,
05:53it would have been impossible to kick outside, but for outside guys, it's easy to kick inside. It's
05:58just a, there's a, you're in a phone booth. You got one dude, big fat guy on one side of
06:03you,
06:03big fat guy on the other side of you, and you're blocking a big fat guy. Like it's, it's,
06:07you know, there's an equation there. A, you know, a big fat plus B big fat equals C big fat.
06:14I think
06:14it's algebra that I remember correctly. That's some fat algebra right there. I like that. I like
06:19that. Mark, Mark Schlereth, Stink is with us here with it and dibs on 95.7, the game steak. I
06:26wonder
06:26if you can take all of us, the 99.99% of the world that will never be drafted into
06:33a job. What it's
06:34like to, to sit there on a day like today and not know what city you're, you're going
06:41to live in by the time you go to sleep. Yeah. You know, I, I think there's just so much
06:48excitement
06:49and, um, you know, it's like, it doesn't matter where you go. For the most part, every guy's
06:57had this lifelong dream of making a national football league. And so when your name is
07:03called, the place doesn't matter. Like when I was being drafted, the first thing, the first
07:09round, like during the first round, I was playing dunk hoops with my buddies over the
07:13SED house. Cause I knew that one of that wasn't from, you know, an off injured guy from the
07:19university of Idaho actually retired as a junior in college. Uh, I knew the first round wasn't,
07:25you know, in it, in the cards for me. So, um, I know ultimately, like I said, I was playing
07:31dunk hoops, but you know, as, as the rounds went on, um, the Bengals called me every round
07:37and their offensive line, which just, uh, he was a, uh, like he was an offensive line guru,
07:44a legend in the national football league by the name of, uh, McNally, Jim McNally. And, uh,
07:50he called me every round starting the second round. I'm standing on the table for you.
07:54I want you to be a Bengal. And so I really thought that that's where I was going to go.
07:58And he finally called me every round and you know, every round came and went and he was
08:03just pissed off. And he finally called me back in the, in the 10th round. And he'd already
08:07called me in the ninth round and he called me in the 10th round and goes, I finally got
08:11the clearance. I'm going to draft you this round. And so my phone rang and I thought it
08:15was Jim McNally, the Bengals, and it was the Washington Redskins and the rest is history.
08:20You know, I went on and, and, uh, got trained by the hogs and became a starter my rookie year,
08:25about halfway through it and kind of never looked back. So, you know, I mean, every draft
08:31story is different. And I think every guy pretty much has a dream of playing the national football
08:36league. So it doesn't really, you don't really care about where you go. It's just that opportunity
08:40to play.
08:4110th round pick and only 21 non-kickers played more games than you in your draft class. So
08:49I think you, uh, did more than your 10th round grade would indicate. How tough is it Mark
08:54for teams on this night, just one round to go out there and really figure out if it's
09:00best available or if they are trying to fill a need?
09:05Well, the bad teams are trying to fill needs. Um, that's what bad teams do. Bad teams draft
09:11at the top of the first round. Instead of taking a great football player, they take a, you know,
09:16a great positional player. Why? Because your stupid fan base is going to fall for it and say,
09:21Oh my God, look, we got, you know, we got this guy that's going to save our franchise. You know,
09:26he's a, he's a quarterback or he's a wide receiver. He's this, that, and the other. And,
09:33you know, fan bases get excited about that and enamored by that good franchises draft great
09:38players, regardless of position. So, you know, there's a lot of complaining that will go on
09:45because a team takes a, you know, a safety or a team takes a player that, uh, that you don't
09:51feel
09:51like as a automatic impact guy. And, but that's the, the great franchises don't, they don't chase
09:58positions. When you chase a position, what ends up happening to you is oftentimes when that guy
10:04fails, you're constantly chasing that position. And so you keep chasing and keep chasing and keep
10:10chasing. And the next thing you know, you've got, you know, a dozen positions that aren't worth a
10:16crap. And, and you wonder why your football team wins four games every year. I present to you the
10:23New York Jets and the Arizona Cardinals. Oh, those are good examples. Um, steak, have you ever been
10:31in like in retirement? Have you ever been in a war room? No, no, never been. Yeah. I mean,
10:39I've gone into several organizations after the draft and seen, seen their board, you know,
10:45like the Broncos and several other organizations, seen their board and what they think of guys and
10:51stuff. But, uh, I've never actually been in a war room during a draft. Yeah. Cause I, the reason I
10:57ask is I, I would love just to be a fly on the wall to understand how chaotic or maybe
11:05not chaotic
11:05that process is. The Niners are at 27. There's a bunch of stuff that needs to happen before it's
11:12their turn. I wonder, um, and maybe you do know this, even having not been there to what level
11:19teams, when it's their turn, do they usually know, okay, this is what we're going to do. This is,
11:26this is our guy at this point, or does that pick ahead of them go? And then all of a
11:30sudden it's chaos
11:31and running around and grabbing phones and calling people. I think when you are pat like the Niners
11:39right now, and I've talked to a lot of former GMs, a lot of current GMs, a lot of, just
11:44a lot of people
11:44inside the business. They usually have about six dudes that they love that they've got similar grades
11:54on. And so when one goes off the board, they, they pull their focus to the other five and, you
12:01know,
12:01the other four, I mean, I, we talked to George Payton, uh, the Broncos GM said right now they've
12:08got pick 62 and they got six guys they're looking at, um, that they would be really happy with any
12:14one of those six guys if they fall to them at that spot. Now, maybe you say, maybe a dude
12:20slips
12:20down to you. Maybe they really like Eli Stowers, the tight end from Vanderbilt. And they say, man,
12:26you know, all of a sudden they think he's getting drafted at 48 or 50 and all of a sudden
12:33they get
12:33to pick 47. He's still on the board for our 51. He's still on the board and the Broncos are
12:39picking
12:39at 62. And they say, Hey man, let's roll up to 53 package our 62nd pick and our fourth round
12:46pick
12:47and roll up there and grab that guy. We didn't think he'd be one of our guys, but he is
12:51like,
12:52he's right there for the taking. And we only have to give up a fourth round or to move up
12:56that
12:56far to get him. Then I think that's where you start to, you know, the phone start to ring or
13:01you start calling people and seeing if you can manipulate the draft at that point.
13:05You mentioned tight end and the 49ers are sitting with George Kittle, who's an unbelievable player,
13:10possible hall of famer, but coming off the Achilles, how high should they prioritize
13:14finding someone not only for now, but for the future?
13:19Yeah, I love, I love the thought process. Then it becomes one of those situations where
13:24I think there's one dude at the tight end position who's a legitimate, like a legitimate
13:30big time player that has, that has duality. Like there are, there are either Y tight ends
13:38in this draft, like blocking tight ends and a line of scrimmage type of guys, or there are
13:42Fs guys that aren't really interested in blocking. They're just interested in running routes.
13:46And that doesn't fit, you know, that doesn't fit the system in, uh, in, in San Francisco.
13:53Like you got to be able to do everything. And that's what makes them so unique under Kyle
13:57Shanahan system. So like, like this, like this, Kenny and Sadiq is the only guy to me that's
14:03legitimate big time both ways. Now, the other dude that I think has a little bit of that
14:07potential is, is the, uh, Eli Stowers kid out of Vanderbilt. Um, but he's not, you're not taking
14:15him with 27th overall pick. You'd rather trade out of that spot, move into the, into the second
14:21round and compile another second round pick. So like, that's, that's the gamesmanship there.
14:27Everybody else doesn't have, like to me, doesn't really have that duality at the top of the draft.
14:32Maybe there's a couple of guys I haven't studied later on in the fourth or fifth rounds that may be
14:37able to do that. Remember Kittle was a fifth round pick. So maybe there's some other guys in the
14:41draft, but none of the guys at the top of the draft in the first, uh, you know, first two
14:46or
14:46three rounds to me, you're either a wire or an F. So you wouldn't kind of move up or take
14:51a guy at
14:5227. Um, because there's nobody that really fills that role at 27.
14:56Mark Slareth with us on, on Willard and dibs. And now stink. I'm mindful of what you said earlier.
15:02The bad teams are the ones that chase positions. The good teams just get really, really good
15:07players. But I do want our listeners to hear your take on what you think the 49ers biggest needs
15:14are, uh, especially after the off season and the signings that they've made.
15:20Yeah. I mean, obviously the receiver position, something we talked about a lot with them,
15:25but I love some of the guys, you know, they got obviously Mike Evans. If Mike Evans is healthy,
15:30he's a, he's an absolute freak show. I love, you know, Christian Kirk's a good football player,
15:35man. He just, you know, moves the chains and all this kind of things. So like, when I look at
15:40the
15:40Niners, I just think line of scrimmage players, I think defensive line, um, is, is a position that
15:47they need depth at. Um, and then I think offensive line is another position they need depth at. And I
15:53know that doesn't get, you know, that doesn't blow, you know, sunshine up your skirt, um, for most
15:58people, but it, it, it does it. The trenches are what win football games in the NFL. It just is.
16:05I mean, you can tell me all about quarterbacks and I understand how the value is now the importance of
16:10that is. And, you know, I think wide receiver becomes the most overvalued position in football.
16:15And, um, and I think there's some good ones in this draft, but I think like, I think if you
16:23control
16:23the line of scrimmage on both sides of the line of scrimmage in the national football league,
16:27you win 80, 85% of your games, regardless of who's playing quarterback for you. So
16:31like, that's, that's my feel. And I look at defensive line rotation, a defensive line,
16:38especially with the Nick Bosa injuries over the, over the last couple of years,
16:42that would be a position that I think the 49ers would address.
16:46You mentioned quarterback and Mac Jones is probably the best backup in football.
16:50If the Niners were offered a second rounder that they could use tomorrow,
16:54would you pull the trigger and trade Mac Jones for a mid second round pick?
17:00Yeah, that's a, that is a great question. I mean, obviously with the history, the injury history
17:06of Purdy, um, that I would have to be, you know, the one, it would, there are two things
17:13that it would be twofold. Could I trade him and get a player? I love it. Like, so let's
17:20say you're trading it for 40 and you think, you know, you really love the Eli Stowers kid
17:25I was talking about then. Yeah. I think that would be a move I would make, but it'd have to
17:31be,
17:31you know, it'd have to be, uh, the upper part of the second round for me to get rid of
17:37Mac Jones.
17:38Uh, Mark, because you have such a long history of loving diva wide receivers,
17:45I'm not letting you out of here without asking you about Brandon. Iuke, especially because,
17:50um, the rumored desire for him to end up with one of your old teams, the team that drafted you
17:58in Washington. How do you see this situation? How should it play out?
18:05Well, I mean, obviously he's a, he's a talented guy. I mean, you would just have to question,
18:10you know, his mental capacity. Uh, I, how dumb are you? Um, and so like, I, I mean,
18:19I don't like one thing you don't make up when you like sit out a year, you don't play, you
18:25just
18:25don't make that money back. And I don't like, I, I wish I could sell him. I like, I wish
18:31I could buy
18:32him for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth, because it'd be the first good
18:36investment I made over the course of my life. Uh, like that would be the first time every house I
18:41bought, I purchased it at the high point and buy and sold to the low point. So that would be
18:46the first
18:46time I would ever actually make money on the transaction. But I just don't, I don't understand.
18:52I really don't understand him. I don't, I don't get what, you know, what it is. I don't know.
18:58I don't understand his mentality. Like the, I just think you overvalue yourself, but whatever. Um,
19:05I still think he's a good player, but, um, if I'm a general manager, would I want to bring in
19:11a diva
19:12who really hasn't, I mean, he's not a top five or 10 wide receiver in the league. So all of
19:20a sudden,
19:20why am I like, why am I going to bring in a headache? Why am I going to bring in
19:24somebody?
19:24I got a babysit. Every franchise in the national football league has five guys that are village
19:31idiots that we have to babysit. Right. I don't want a sixth village idiot on the team. So I'm not
19:39really
19:40interested, but whatever. I mean, you know, people get enamored by that stuff. Is that true? Mark
19:46five, at least five on every team. Oh yeah. There's at least five morons on every team.
19:53Okay. Yeah. Maybe next time we can run through each team.
19:57Yeah. You got like a guy like me gets assigned to that. Like, Hey, Hey, like that, like your coach
20:04would come down and go, Hey stink. Like Shanahan, like Kyle's father. Hey stink. Uh, could you
20:09wrap your arm around this kid and kind of babysit when we're on the road and during training
20:14camp? And yeah, okay. I got you. You know, I I'll, I'll take care of it. I'll take care
20:18of him. Yeah. Every, every team's got at least five of those guys. And the jets might have
20:22like at least six.
20:26The jets probably have 26. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. There it is. Hey stink. It's so great to
20:32connect with you. Yeah. Half of them, half of them are on the coaching staff.
20:37Oh wow. That was rude. That was rude. I apologize. No, no, no, no. That was entertaining.
20:43Actually is what I would call it. One of my former neighbor's eyes on the coaching staff.
20:46I've known the kid since he was nine years old. So I'm taking that one personally stink.
20:51All right, but you can, you can do that. You can do that. I don't have a problem with that.
20:55Yep. Yep. And he could also confirm what you said to be true. But anyway, stink. Thanks
21:00so much, man. Great to have you. Uh, enjoy tonight. Enjoy the weekend. You guys got it,
21:06man. Be well, take care. All right. You too. There he goes. NFL insider calls, uh, brought
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