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Joe Shasky and Sam Lubman break down a wild night of San Francisco Giants baseball! The guys dive into Jung Hoo Lee’s aggressive base running after getting thrown out at home, debate his actual speed, and discuss the latest injury news regarding Daniel Susac. Plus, a deep dive into why the new automated strike zone (ABS) might be harder for catchers like Patrick Bailey.
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00:00When I hear Grandson of the Wind, I think of someone who's extremely fast.
00:04You would think, right?
00:05That was Joe Davis, by the way, on the call there for Sportsnet LA.
00:09Couldn't find the NBC call that one.
00:11Weird.
00:12That was Jung Ho Lee getting thrown out at the plate, by the way.
00:14He's more like the father of the parachute than Grandson of the Wind.
00:18Father of the parachute.
00:20No, like, honestly, his speed does not play.
00:22And he's having a really nice stretch right here.
00:24But if we're just going, like, speed, raw speed, he's not that fast.
00:29No, he's not.
00:30He wasn't even that much of a base stealer back in the KBO either.
00:33Which is wild because, like, he has the frame and build for a guy who you would think could, you
00:38know, scoot a little bit.
00:40He has very just.
00:41Never judge a book by its cover.
00:43It's one thing that I've learned.
00:45Is that bad?
00:45You look like you'd be fast.
00:47I'm not.
00:47No, no, no, no.
00:48One thing that I've learned in, like, you coach all different body types.
00:52Some guys are rhinos, and they don't look like they could be fast, and they're Aaron Donald.
00:57You know what I mean?
00:57They're just freaks.
00:58Other guys are skinny, and for whatever reason, love you, my boy Guido.
01:02Love you, Guido.
01:03Guido couldn't run down the first baseline with a dead sprint to save his life.
01:08What's Guido's build?
01:09He used to be the skinniest guy we've ever met.
01:11He's like 6'1", 6'2", and super skinny, and just slow as molasses.
01:18No, that's a good point.
01:18I mean, honestly, you know who I always.
01:20He was quicker in basketball, but in baseball, super slow.
01:22I love you, Guido.
01:23Yeah, a guy who I think kind of goes the other way, who I thought was always a lot quicker
01:26than his size would indicate, was Pablo Sandoval.
01:28It's a great guy.
01:29That's exactly what I'm talking about.
01:30For a guy his size.
01:31I mean, that's why they say, you know, Krukenkaip would always say on their broadcast, you know,
01:33if Pablo was born in the States, he would have been a fullback.
01:35Like, Pablo, very, very quick for a guy with the size that he had.
01:40That play there, and I want to get Steven Rizzotto in on this because Steven Rizzotto was at the
01:45game last night, and he saw this entire play unfold in front of him.
01:49And by the way, Steven Rizzotto, happy birthday today, bud.
01:52Happy birthday.
01:5324 years old.
01:54And he brought cookies in for me?
01:56That's a really nice thing for you to do, Steven.
01:58You should have brought cookies in for yourself.
01:59Me being 20 years older than Rizzotto makes me so sad.
02:03You got to hate that.
02:04No, I'm just, I'm coming to an end here.
02:07What I love saying is, like, hey, remember the 2002 World Series?
02:10And he's like, well, I wasn't born yet.
02:11Or I guess he was barely born.
02:13He was six months old.
02:13Yeah, there you go.
02:14He's closer in age to my son than he is to me.
02:18He could basically be your son.
02:20God.
02:2020 years older than him, like, you could.
02:23It's just a couple of Reardon boys there.
02:25Makes me sick.
02:26But Rizzotto was there last night.
02:28The reason why I get his perspective is because the NBC broadcast didn't show a replay of it.
02:31But Steven Rizzotto, you were boots on the ground there last night.
02:35Break down what you saw from Jungle League getting thrown out the plate.
02:38Yeah, well, I thought it was going to be first and third, two outs.
02:41Me too.
02:42And, I mean, I agree with what Richie was saying to a point.
02:46I know with two outs, you do want to kind of test yourself a little bit,
02:49try and squeeze any production you could get, any run coming across the board.
02:53But that doesn't mean you could be reckless.
02:56And this was very reckless.
02:57I mean, this was a routine single up the middle.
03:00Even the fastest guy on planet Earth would have held at third.
03:03And I was looking at Hector Borg the whole time, and I kind of saw it happen in slow motion.
03:07Hector Borg did not stop waving him from when he was halfway to when he finally scored.
03:13Did not stop waving him.
03:14And it looked like he had run through a stop sign if you didn't see the third base coach.
03:20But, no, it was Hector Borg's decision to send him.
03:24Who's the third base coach?
03:26Let's do the Tony Vitale because I want to hear from him, and I want to pepper this around the
03:29room.
03:29No, we'll do that for sure.
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03:38Coach, what happened on that decision to send Jung-Hoo Lee home?
03:42Yeah, it was definitely ultra-aggressive.
03:44You got a two-out.
03:46I mean, I don't think you really have time to calculate all this.
03:49At least I didn't when I was doing that in that spot.
03:51But you got a two-out hit against one of the best pitchers on the planet.
03:54How many of those are you going to get?
03:56Now, Drew did take a few really good swings.
03:58And then the ball's wet.
03:59And then I'd like to see the replay.
04:01I haven't seen him.
04:02But the relay throw in is lobbed.
04:04And there's kind of extra air under that.
04:06And so you could see it being kind of a play where the defense, who's rarely sloppy,
04:12comes off looking sloppy if it worked out in our favor.
04:14Freeland kind of looked, kind of regathered himself, and made an accurate throw.
04:19So it ends up in their favor.
04:21But that's, you know, kind of the way I saw it.
04:23So what do you think of Coach's explanation?
04:25I love how he's trying to justify it.
04:27But, like, he's bad for his guy, which I respect.
04:29Yeah, but, I mean, let's go.
04:30I love Tony V.
04:31But every second baseman in baseball is making that throw.
04:36Two steps in from second base to home.
04:39You know what they're thinking to themselves?
04:40Is this idiot really going?
04:42Maybe they thought that it was like, wow, they're really going to do this?
04:44And, like, the hesitation would throw them off?
04:46And to me, the way Jung-Hoo Lee laid on the ground, you know, hurt his quad, whatever,
04:51that was the loser's limp.
04:52It was like, why did we go?
04:53That's when you know that was stupid.
04:55You know it.
04:57Every baserunner who's ever gotten thrown out doing something silly or even if they agreed
05:02with the send, because you don't look, your head's not looking back when you're running.
05:05You're looking at your base coach and you're trying to keep your eyes on
05:08where you're going to, your target, and you look back and, like, why did we go?
05:13And it's, here's the other thing.
05:14When you have Drew Gilbert up as the nine-hitter, it's a first and third situation.
05:20With two outs, yeah.
05:20With two outs.
05:21If he makes an out, well, my leadoff guy comes up to start the next inning.
05:24Now you're starting the next inning with a ninth-hitter up.
05:26So, I don't know.
05:27I don't love it.
05:28I think it was a huge momentum play for a defense every time you get someone out on
05:32the base pass, and I think it's kind of an air-sucking out of your sails when you get
05:39thrown out on the bases.
05:40When I saw that play, first, again, I'm looking at it again right now.
05:43It was lobbed back into the infield.
05:45No doubt.
05:45Alex Call's throw back to second base was not very good.
05:48But he wasn't at second to start.
05:49No.
05:50He was at first.
05:51And, again, it's, as Jong-Hulis, it just really shows the great throw that came in from
05:55second base.
05:56Who was our guy who was there at second base yesterday?
05:59Alex Freeland, the other Alex that was in the Dodgers lineup, his throw right on the
06:03money to home plate.
06:04Jong Lee was rounding third when the throw came in.
06:07It's just, if you're Hector Borg, I get.
06:10You see the lazy throw in.
06:11You think that you can maybe, you know, get out ahead of it, get it in there, make you
06:16play at the plate.
06:17Maybe the ball squirts away, something like that.
06:19But it's just an unnecessary risk and an unnecessary mistake against a team that is really good
06:25at pouncing on those mistakes.
06:26And in that moment, Shasky, as they're walking off the field there, my first thought was,
06:31boy, they better not lose this game four to three.
06:33Because they still had three innings of baseball left to play, three at-bats left for the Dodgers.
06:37And this lineup, you can't take anything for granted against this Dodgers lineup.
06:42Thank God it all worked out because that would have been a much bigger issue than it is right
06:47now.
06:47It's one little blip on a great win, right?
06:49Oh, absolutely.
06:50So, but I just, the way I view baseball is it's always about risk assessment.
06:56Sam, why do we back up second base on a throw down?
07:00Because the ball gets past second base.
07:01You need a guy behind you.
07:02Exactly.
07:02Why does your catcher sprint down the line to back up first base?
07:05Because the ball gets behind first base.
07:07We need a guy there.
07:07Why do you have your third, your left fielder backing up third base on a throw down there?
07:11Why do you tell young catchers, you know, if you don't think you can really make the
07:15play, don't throw down a third with two outs because we want to get out of this inning.
07:20We don't want to give them a free run.
07:21The entire game is baked in some level of conservatism, right?
07:26Like, I understand.
07:27And I get trying to be aggressive.
07:28I'm all for trying to be aggressive.
07:30That situation didn't, I didn't think it warranted it.
07:33No, and it's about just picking your moments to be aggressive and being smart on the base
07:37path.
07:37And it's just, it's a horrible place to end an inning.
07:40You have momentum going to you.
07:41You called on the last site on the last segment.
07:43Yeah.
07:43It's a momentum squashing play and whatever momentum you lose on the offensive side, you
07:50now give a little burst to that Dodger dugout as well.
07:54Cause now they're thinking, you know, wow, we, we could have had first and third and this
07:57inning could still be going.
07:58I don't know what Drew Gilbert does there, but now let's take the bat out of his hands.
08:02Yeah.
08:02I mean, if you're the guy coming up to the plate right there in that situation, you want
08:06the opportunity to knock in that run.
08:10And you, you put a boost in that Dodger dugout there too.
08:13Now, again, shout out the bullpen for getting it done there on that one, but hopefully jungle
08:18Lee's okay.
08:19Big picture that gets into the next thing there.
08:21They did replace him for draw and cross the own on the, in the next inning there.
08:24And it sounds like early on that, you know, it was more precautionary.
08:29They just wanted to give him some, some work in after the game and we'll find out when
08:32the lineup gets put out later today, just how serious it actually is.
08:35If he's not in the lineup, Oh, maybe we start getting a little bit concerned.
08:39If he is in the lineup, don't want to worry about it because that would just, that'd be
08:43such a cruel twist of fate.
08:44Shasky.
08:45If right when Jung Hoot starts getting the bat heating up, he has to miss time and lose
08:50whatever rhythm that he was falling into.
08:52Like that's something that they would absolutely suck to see.
08:57Speaking of injuries that really suck to see, did you see the one that was announced before
09:00the game?
09:02There was a couple.
09:03Well, there was the day the big one was the Daniel Susack one.
09:06Well, Budo being out for the year.
09:08To me, the bigger one.
09:09I mean, that's someone who makes his living on his arm, but Susack is a significant injury
09:14as well.
09:15I agree.
09:15No, so it was announced yesterday, Daniel Susack put on the injured list with a, being
09:21called a right elbow ulnar neuritis.
09:25Again, that's right elbow ulnar neuritis.
09:28I've never heard of that.
09:29Basically what it is, the quick Google search that I did yesterday is there's a little bit
09:33of a compression on the elbow nerve that takes place and that causes a tingling and numbness
09:39in the arm.
09:40And it's very common for people who make, you know, this throwing motion that I'm making
09:45with my elbow on this auditory medium.
09:47Pause, dog.
09:48All right.
09:49I didn't need to have to go dirty with it.
09:50Just pause.
09:52It's common for people who, again, throw with their arms a lot, which as a catcher, Daniel
09:57Susack, let me check my notes, he throws the ball quite a bit, being that he is a catcher
10:02and a baseball player.
10:04And the recovery timeline, again, the Giants hope two to three weeks.
10:07But again, it's just, you had a guy in Susack swinging a good bat, you're excited when he
10:12steps up to the plate.
10:13I don't know if it's because it's him at the plate or if it's because it's not Patrick
10:17Bailey at the plate.
10:18It's just, oh, that sucks.
10:20It's funny that you said it's like the catcher's throwing the ball back to the pitcher, right?
10:24Whenever you hear these youth baseball arguments about raw pitch counts, it just chaps me to
10:30no end when no one has the foresight to go, oh, we're going to let this kid pitch for
10:35four innings, five innings, he's going to throw 100 pitches.
10:38And then when he's done, we're going to go put him behind the dish.
10:40Oh, that happens?
10:42All the time.
10:42Risotto?
10:43All the time that happens.
10:45It's such a loophole.
10:46It just drives me bananas.
10:48That is silly.
10:49It drives me insane.
10:51Not only are you in the squat and now you're subject to more wear and tear and balls bouncing
10:59off you and just the natural hurt of being in the squat.
11:03Now you're throwing the ball back to the pitcher a zillion times and you're trying to throw
11:07down hard to second and third base.
11:09So, yeah, I think we do underrate the amount of wear and tear emotionally, physically, and
11:14mentally for a catcher.
11:15Now, again, hopefully, they're hoping it won't be a super long-term injury there.
11:19But again, anytime you've got elbow nerve issues going on.
11:21It's not good.
11:22No, that is something that's very concerning.
11:23And it means that we're going to be seeing a lot more Pat Bailey probably behind the plate,
11:28which for a lot of Giants fans, they're not going to enjoy hearing that.
11:31Eric Haas was called up.
11:32He had some challenges yesterday that were just...
11:33Patrick Bailey, can we...
11:35Pat Bailey, this has been a really bad month for Pat Bailey.
11:38Dude can't go a day or two without Patrick...
11:40Well, he handled the pitching staff well yesterday, I thought.
11:42The challenges, though, have been...
11:44That one he...
11:45Like, look, that one he had in the fourth inning.
11:47Like, I get it.
11:48You're trying to do something to get...
11:50He's trying to steal a strike.
11:51He's trying to steal a strike.
11:52He's trying to get some sort of momentum from Landon Roop because he was struggling with
11:55the command.
11:55I was okay with that one.
11:56Some of the challenges he's had this year, though, have been really, really rough for
12:02a guy who was doing a really good job with these challenges in spring training.
12:07It's a moving target, though.
12:09You know, like, you're looking at guys who have different frames each at bat.
12:13Yeah.
12:14Pitches have different kind of vert on everything or spin on every pitch.
12:18And so I think it's a lot harder than we think.
12:21No, actually, it's interesting that you say that.
12:22And the reason why is I'll tell you in just a moment.
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12:32Coming to you live from the Laughing Monk Studios, this was a conversation I was able
12:35to have with Pat Bailey down in spring training asking him about, like, what are the differences
12:39going to be from going from an umpire strike zone to the automatic strike zone?
12:43And I asked him, like, is it a little bit easier to kind of figure out where the strike
12:48zone is because of, you know, it's going to be more uniform this year?
12:51And he actually kind of pushed back saying it's going to be a little bit harder this
12:54year.
12:55I think so, too.
12:55Yeah.
12:56And the way he explained it took me a minute to understand it the first time.
12:58I had to go back and kind of re-listen to it to get it.
13:00But basically, the summation of it is that since the ABS is automated to the batter, every
13:06strike zone then is going to be slightly different because, as you know, the strike zone, it's
13:10blow the letters down to the knees with the width of home plate.
13:14Every player is a different height.
13:15Well, and I have an issue with how they measured everyone at the beginning of the year.
13:19But how I take a stance and how you take a stance.
13:22Oh, yeah.
13:23A lot of the guys' heights were actually significantly shorter than what was listed on paper.
13:28Well, yeah, because I'm sure guys, like, aren't going to be, when they measure them, they
13:31probably didn't have the wherewithal to say, hey, get into your batting stance and we'll
13:34measure you that way.
13:35I'm sure guys were.
13:35But that's how it should be.
13:36Like, and I think one of the things that bugs me is, like, for example, if I'm a guy that
13:40crouches like Mark McGuire used to, getting real low, even though he might be 6'1", 6'2",
13:46like, when he gets into a stance, he might have the stance of someone 5'9".
13:50Do you get what I'm saying?
13:51Yeah, no, absolutely.
13:52No, it's actually...
13:52Whereas someone like Devers, who's upright, right, just because he's however tall, that
13:57doesn't mean his strike zone is now equivalent to it.
14:00It needs to be...
14:01And also, then, here comes to what gets even more complicated.
14:04Is it when you step into a pitch and go to attack it?
14:09Or is it as you're getting the ball thrown to you before you take that kind of prep step?
14:15Yeah.
14:15Like, again, now we're getting into the weeds of the strike zone.
14:18Well, no, it's very nerdy there on that one.
14:19I love talking nerdy baseball with you.
14:21But those are kind of, like, the gray areas of this new ABS here that...
14:26That's insane that Major League Baseball just kind of would just measure them and not measure
14:30them in their batting stance.
14:31You guys understand why I would have, like, a grievance with this.
14:34And I'm like...
14:34Well, yeah, because that's...
14:35You need an accurate strike zone if it's going to be automated here.
14:38And to finish up the point, it's like when you have an umpire doing the strike zone,
14:41it's the same umpire...
14:42It's the same strike zone all game long.
14:44Like, Shohei has the same strike zone that Elliott has, that Jung-Hoo Lee has throughout
14:49the game because...
14:50Well, depending.
14:51Depending, yeah.
14:51But when it's the umpire strike zone, that's going to be more uniform-ish throughout the
14:57game versus different players with their different ABS lines.
15:00Like, for example, I've seen a lot of different guys, and Bobby Witt, I'll just use him as
15:06an example.
15:06With two strikes, he actually gets wider, hence his stance goes down a little.
15:12Yeah.
15:12All right?
15:13But he shortens up his swing.
15:14So now, if his strike zone was measured on his height, actually, whatever his stance was
15:20in the first couple of pitches of the at-bat is now shrinking in a two-strike approach
15:24because he goes from being more upright to wider as I get wider in my stance.
15:29Now you see how low I get.
15:31My strike zone is actually getting lower, and I'm more crouched into my stance.
15:35So, I don't know.
15:36I know I sound like I'm getting really into the weeds of it, but I truly believe that
15:42just measuring your raw height, your static height, is nonsense.
15:46We need to look at how you stand at the plate.
15:49There were some other insane challenges in here.
15:51The Dodgers had two challenges that were called strikes.
15:53They challenged them.
15:55They were overturned as balls that were less than .1 of an inch off of the strike zone
16:00there, about as close as you could possibly get.
16:02I think Mike Kruko made the same joke twice.
16:04You couldn't even fit a guitar pick in between the ball.
16:07You know what it reminded me of?
16:08This is way in the weeds.
16:09That Sunday night game between the Raiders and the Cowboys where they used a piece of
16:13paper to measure that first down to show that the ball was short of the down mark.
16:17Remember that in 2017?
16:19Ridiculous.
16:19Gene's territory.
16:20Yeah, Gene's territory.
16:21I remember Greg Popple was on the call here on this station.
16:23He blinked into the camera.
16:25Losing his absolute mind on the radio.
16:27That's what it reminded me of.
16:29It was thinner than that margin.
16:31Just a very great challenge calls there by the Dodgers last night.
16:36You know who else had a great night last night?
16:38Before we get to Grant Cohn on the other side here, I want to give some flowers to
16:40Ryan Walker.
16:41This is a guy who, again, when he came out, he's a guy I kind of pointed out to you
16:45a
16:45couple years ago.
16:45It's like, oh, Chassie, this is a guy.
16:47This is a guy.
16:48And a lot of last year was not great from Ryan Walker.
16:52He's been great in the sixth, seventh, and eighth innings.
16:55That ninth inning has been a bugaboo for him because the mentality you need in the ninth
16:59inning, Joe, it's different than the other innings that you come in and in relief.
17:04And this guy, you know, he told me that he was working with a mental coach over the offseason
17:07to kind of better mentally prepare himself to handle those high-stress ninth innings.
17:12And it has been great to start here.
17:14Coming in last night, and he needed to, what did I say when he came in?
17:18You cannot mess around here.
17:19You got to go one, two, three, because you got Shohei hitting fourth this inning.
17:24I don't want Shohei up in that inning with a runner on base.
17:27That is a big no-no there.
17:29And credit to Ryan Walker.
17:30Rich and Queens had it perfectly in the last segment.
17:32The stuff was filthy from Ryan last night.
17:34The way that sinker was moving, good Lord, do that every time.
17:37And he was incredibly fired up after that one.
17:40Shasky, you would have thought it was almost a playoff win.
17:42And you could feel like that one felt really big for him.
17:45I agree.
17:46Individually, it was.
17:47The Pajas strikeout, boy, it felt like that guy kills us.
17:50I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm terrified when he comes up.
17:53And then you see Alex Call make a million plays in center field.
17:56He comes up second.
17:57He gets the fly out to Elliot Ramos.
17:59My heart sank a little.
18:00I'm not going to lie.
18:02Oh, my God.
18:03That one.
18:03That one.
18:04Right?
18:04And then you get the Alex Freeland.
18:06Just shy of the wall.
18:06I thought it was gone.
18:07I think we all did.
18:08And then you get the Alex Freeland strikeout on swinging on that breaking ball.
18:12He looked really filthy.
18:13But his emotion, to your point, afterwards, that felt cathartic for him.
18:18Now, you bring up the mental coach.
18:20I go both ways, right?
18:22On one end, it's like, wow, that's incredible maturity to be able to get a mental coach.
18:27She can help.
18:27How many different people do that?
18:28On the other side, for my closer, I don't want you getting too in your own dome.
18:34I know.
18:35Phil Mickelson has a line about golfers where you either have to be extremely dumb or extremely
18:40brilliant.
18:41And if you're anything in between, you almost get caught in paralysis by analysis.
18:45That makes sense.
18:46And I look at some of these closers and like Mariano Rivera had this very simple, I'm just
18:51going to throw the cutter and I'm going to throw it at different spots or whatever.
18:54Brian Wilson, I'm going to try to throw this ball through you.
18:57Not, you know, have you swing and miss.
18:59I literally want to throw this ball through you.
19:01And occasionally I'll throw a slider.
19:02There's something simplistic about my closer being like that, but I also understand that
19:08the game is much more cerebral and you have to be able to deal with, you know, guys on
19:13base situation who's coming up next.
19:16I don't have my grip on my slider right now, especially for someone like, like Ryan Walker,
19:22who's very, you know, pitch dependent.
19:24But it is a little terrifying to hear that he had a mental coach.
19:28Does that make sense?
19:29No, no.
19:29Well, I absolutely hear you on that one, but I'm also like, I think it's for a couple
19:34of reasons here.
19:34One is I don't think that there is a like, there is no like tried and true closing option
19:38on this team.
19:39I think he's the best closing option simply because his, his stuff is closer stuff.
19:45Yes.
19:45But there is a mentality to this position that I think he's struggled to grapple with.
19:50And he's acknowledged.
19:51I brought up with him last year.
19:52It was just like, what did you learn about this job?
19:54And it's like, this is why they get paid the big bucks.
19:56Like, it's a tough job to do.
19:58And I think for a great closer, like you need a little bit of crazy in you, I think, to
20:03be
20:03a good closer.
20:04I would agree.
20:04Brian Wilson.
20:05I think he had a little bit of crazy in him in a good way.
20:07Or you're this like most calm, nothing faces you got.
20:11That's kind of like Mario.
20:13You know, at all, Rob, then I felt like that guy had one facial expression.
20:17It was just stone.
20:18Camilo Duvall.
20:19I thought he was kind of like in his own little world at times short circuit on his actual
20:24mechanics.
20:25Oh, there's that.
20:25There's that too.
20:26But I feel like the read the ball worked out as the closers.
20:28You just got to be in his own world sometimes.
20:30And that kind of work for him.
20:31Maybe not enough.
20:32I think he's the eighth inning guy now in New York, but Ryan Walker, I don't know if
20:37he has like that crazy in him.
20:38The stuff is there that he can be.
20:41He's a good pitcher, but like I'm not putting him in the, yeah, you have that Brian Wilson
20:47crazy.
20:47Then he needs to kind of be more that stoic stone face kind of closer as well.
20:52Maybe he can be that as I throw my pen at the screen here.
20:55But just if closing is a big as a lot about confidence as well, you got to go on that
21:01mound
21:01and feel it within your gut that, yeah, I'm going to strike these three dudes out and
21:05we're going to go home happy.
21:07Getting on the mound like that, getting that save like you did again against the bottom of
21:10the line up, but still with Shohei looming, getting that save like he did, that has to
21:15be a massive confidence boost for him.
21:17And hopefully he can build off of that because it just, I know they're going to keep mixing
21:22and matching with the bullpen here, but the sooner they can get signed to sort of define
21:25roles here, the better.
21:26Sam, I like Ryan Walker.
21:28I'm pulling for him.
21:29I'm rooting for him.
21:30I think every Giants fan would admit if they're being 100% candid.
21:36They need to trade for a closer.
21:38They got to figure it out.
21:39And they got to stay in this long enough so they can make a deal for a legitimate closer.
21:44Who?
21:45I don't know.
21:46I'm still...
21:46There's not a lot of guys out there.
21:47I don't disagree with you, but I don't agree with you either because I, again, I've said
21:52this numerous times.
21:53My philosophy is...
21:54You don't disagree with me, but you do agree with me, but you don't agree with me either.
21:58I'm very confused.
21:59I'm out, but I'm in, but I'm in, but I'm out.
22:01It's very easy to follow my garbled logic here, but at the end of the day, I've always
22:06said this.
22:07You got to develop closers from the inside.
22:10That's how I think is the best way to develop a closer.
22:13Finding them on the market is very difficult to do.
22:15It can be very expensive to do.
22:17In a dream world, someone's going to pop up in the farm system this year and seize that
22:21role until that happens, though.
22:23They were hoping it would be Rodriguez, but again, the Tommy John happened last year.
22:28If I was going to say one thing that I'd love Buster to really improve midseason is I think
22:33they need to be on the lookout for a legitimate closer, and I think it'd be worth it to pay
22:38the premium for it.
22:39Or Joel Peguero, my dream candidate, can just seize the job and never look back, but that's
22:44a conversation for another day.
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