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Joe Shasky and Sam Lubman are over the NFL Draft spectacle. From the endless commercials to the "spoiler" tweets from insiders like Jordan Schultz and Ari Meirov that are minutes ahead of the broadcast, the guys break down why the current draft experience is losing its spontaneity and sense of urgency. Should the NFL shorten the clock or ban the leaks?
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00:00What's up, Sam?
00:01Yeah, didn't really do great on the last one there,
00:02but, you know, we'll do better going forward, hopefully.
00:05It is the morning roast.
00:06Sam Lillman in for Joe Spadoni alongside Joe Shasky
00:09and reacting to the NFL draft.
00:11We'll be taking your calls all morning long,
00:13talking about what happened last night.
00:14Niners trading out of the first round.
00:17They now hold the first pick of the second round,
00:19so Niners are on the clock right now.
00:22We'll see if they do something with the pick,
00:25as in taking a player, or will they trade back?
00:28Niner fans, 8 at 8, 957-9570 is the number to call or text.
00:33Did you like the trade that they made last night
00:35or the trades that they made last night,
00:37and what do you want them to do at No. 33 today?
00:41Let's go out to Dave in the city.
00:44Dave, what do you got on the draft today?
00:45You're on the roast.
00:47Hey, quarterfellas.
00:49I think the Niners are cooking this city,
00:51and I think that, you know, there was a week that they wanted,
00:55and obviously they didn't have went there anymore,
00:57and so trading back and looking at where the pair's on left,
01:01I mean, there's a great thing to have.
01:03We've got to open the floor.
01:04He's sitting right there for us,
01:05and he's right now in the barn on the floor.
01:08Hey, Dave, I need you to take yourself off speakerphone
01:11next time we have you on.
01:12We had a tough time hearing you on that one,
01:15so call back once you get off speakerphone.
01:18We'll try again there.
01:19Sometimes you can tell.
01:21One small step for mankind.
01:24One giant leap for mankind.
01:26So what did you think of the overall presentation of the draft last night?
01:32I put my phone down, and I was doing a stream with the boss.
01:36I was at baseball practice for about an hour of the draft,
01:38and then I came home.
01:41You guys were blowing me up in the chat.
01:43I mean, Jesus.
01:45Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
01:48Exciting stuff?
01:48Dude, my watch was vibrating.
01:51If it wasn't Diana Rossini slash Mike Vrabel.
01:54Oh, my God.
01:56It was draft stuff.
01:58Those things.
01:58Jeez.
01:59Stop.
02:00The internet was internetting hard over that one yesterday.
02:03Pause, dog.
02:04All right, all right, all right.
02:06All right.
02:07All right.
02:08Pause.
02:09Don't talk about that.
02:11The internet was internetting yesterday.
02:12How about that?
02:13Let's just go with that.
02:14And I got home.
02:16I sat down.
02:18It was probably pick 17, 18.
02:22And I was going back and forth between the NFL network and ESPN,
02:26which I was under the impression they eventually will be merging,
02:30but I guess not.
02:31I don't know what's going on there.
02:33Give it time.
02:34Way too many commercials on both sides.
02:36Yes.
02:37Way too much vignetting, what I would call like these like specific packages.
02:43Not enough.
02:44This is who's been taken.
02:46This is who's on the board.
02:48This is who's on the clock.
02:51Then you guys, I'm not on Twitter.
02:53You guys are breaking.
02:56Oh, my God.
02:57This guy's going here.
02:58This guy's going there.
02:59Sending me Jordan Schultz, who's an NFL insider.
03:04Ari, how do you pronounce it?
03:06What?
03:06Ari Mayrov.
03:07I don't even know who that is, but I know who he is because of the internet,
03:10but I don't even know what he does.
03:11Yeah, I don't know who he's with, but he's had a lot of scoops over the last few years.
03:16He's one of those guys.
03:17You guys are like two or three picks ahead.
03:19Ari Mayrov drops it like three picks ahead.
03:21He should be arrested.
03:21Honestly, it's crazy.
03:23I don't understand what's going on.
03:25So they're clearly getting these leaks from either the agents or the GMs or something,
03:28and this is something that I know started happening like several years ago.
03:32I'll never forget the 2013 draft.
03:35I remember I was watching it with a bunch of my friends in college,
03:38and we're all on Twitter because we're all junkies like that,
03:41and we're all getting these draft picks literally 30 to 60 seconds before they're being announced.
03:46Jordan Schultz, they're announcing pick number 11,
03:51and he's tweeting out what pick number 13 and 14 is going to be.
03:55And it's just like I don't know if the part of it was just like my YouTube TV feed was
03:58a little bit behind
04:00or just that they were that far ahead.
04:02But like I never really like had an issue with like finding out who the pick is like moments before
04:07Goodell walks out on stage.
04:10I did not like the fact that I was learning these picks like two, three picks in advance.
04:14That seemed like a little much.
04:16Well, so there's a combination of things.
04:18There's like people that a lot of my buddies are not on the Internet.
04:21And what I mean by on the Internet, on X, they're on Instagram or whatever with a private account,
04:25or maybe they're on Facebook, or, you know, maybe they're on TikTok.
04:29I doubt it.
04:30Most of my boys are not on X.
04:32So they aren't consuming sports the way we do in the media.
04:37In the media, we've got our phone out.
04:40We're watching the game.
04:41You know, it's just going back and forth.
04:43I'm taking notes.
04:44That's the way I'm watching a game.
04:46I mean, it's super distracted, but also like almost overly locked in, overly simulated.
04:51So, Carter, I want to bring you in because you made a point before you joined this industry.
04:56You said something.
04:57You said before you got into this media, you were never on X.
05:01At all, yeah.
05:02I didn't have it.
05:03And then I worked the draft show about two years ago, and Lucas showed me this, like,
05:08that these picks are leaked so much earlier on Twitter, basically.
05:12So you were unaware before working here when we would, like, bring up X and bring up all,
05:17you just didn't really know.
05:18Well, I figured that Twitter would be ahead just based on, like, the 10-second live delay.
05:23You know what I mean?
05:24But I had no idea that they would be leaking picks two and three picks ahead.
05:27It's crazy.
05:28Five minutes ahead.
05:29Yeah, it's nuts.
05:30Ten minutes sometimes.
05:31No, this year seemed a little bit different.
05:32I don't recall picks getting leaked this early in the past.
05:35So, but are we, so I guess my question is to us here in the group, are we so knee
05:41-deep in media
05:42that we're, like, behind enemy lines, or is this the experience for the bulk of people watching?
05:48I think it's the experience for the bulk of people watching, Joe.
05:50I mean, the NFL, I mean, fans.
05:52You sure we're not blind?
05:53I don't mean to interrupt you.
05:54I would disagree with that.
05:55Yeah, I think we're being blind.
05:56I think we're blind.
05:57Like, all my boys that are diehard sports fans, Sam, they're diehards.
06:02Not one of them's on X.
06:04I still think, I mean, that's, I think, I have a lot of friends also, I mean, again, back
06:08in college, who I still keep in touch with.
06:11They're just as locked in, as dialed in as ever.
06:13Are they on X?
06:14None of them are in sports media.
06:16All of them are on Twitter and X, whatever you want to call it.
06:19And all of them follow every single beat writer they can think of.
06:22Really?
06:23To try and get this information.
06:24Yeah, I went to school with some intense football fans, and one of my friends, Jeff,
06:28he's a huge Giants fan.
06:29I mean, he follows, you know, literally every single Giants beat writer, blogger, fan who
06:34talks about it.
06:35How old is he?
06:36You're too older than me.
06:37So he's about, what, 32?
06:3934-ish, around there.
06:41Well, maybe it's generational.
06:42Like, all my boys are pretty much in their 40s.
06:44It might be, yeah.
06:44So maybe it's my era is out the loop.
06:47It might be.
06:47Maybe I'm speaking from an age that's just a different generation of you guys.
06:51Well, how old were you when Twitter hit the scene?
06:52And it was like, what?
06:542009 was when I signed up.
06:56So 2009, I was...
06:58You're in your mid-20s.
06:59Mid to late 20s.
07:00Late 20s, yeah.
07:01Yeah, I mean...
07:02Almost 30.
07:03Yeah, I was in high school when it came out, same time as Facebook.
07:05So I think, you know, for my generation, these social media websites, they're just kind
07:10of blooming and bursting onto the scene at that time.
07:12So it was a lot easier to jump in on it then, I think, at that age.
07:17But no, a lot of the people I know, like, they're as locked in as they...
07:21Like, they almost think they are media members at times.
07:23So are they experiencing the draft the way we, in this room, experienced last night's
07:29draft?
07:30They're following the Jordan Schultzes and the Ari Morell, whatever the guy's name is.
07:34And they're finding out five and ten minutes ahead of these picks.
07:38I think there's a lot of NFL fans...
07:39Do they like that?
07:40I don't know.
07:41I think there's a lot of NFL fans who are living like that, though.
07:44I mean, everyone at games is checking their phones all the time.
07:46Everyone at the draft, as you're seeing, they're checking their phones all the time in the
07:49crowd.
07:49Because, I mean...
07:50Yeah, but IG...
07:51Watching IG is very different than the Twitter news breaking, because it's news essentially
07:56breaking.
07:57Well, yeah, but...
07:57Like, I've got all my boys texting me right now, never been on X in my life.
08:00Never even clicked on it.
08:01I do think that might be a generational thing.
08:02But again, Joe, if you're scrolling on Instagram, it's not that hard to flip right over to Twitter
08:07and scroll on Twitter as well.
08:09So, I do think, yeah, a lot of fans, especially the ones who are obsessed, because football
08:13fandom has become a whole new level of obsession over the last ten years.
08:19Like, everyone wants to feel like they're out in front of things.
08:21Everyone wants to feel like they're the fan that knows the most about their team.
08:24I mean, we got, you know, all these...
08:27In this day and age of influencers, we almost have, like, fan influencers, where every team
08:31has, like, this collection of, you know, fans who are super fans, you know, so to speak.
08:37And all night, they're either streaming on their Instagram or they're following their
08:40Twitters or whatever.
08:41Like, they're just fans, but they play themselves off as almost like they're insiders or, you
08:47know, opinionists giving their thoughts on the team.
08:49And when they're just, you know, regular fans like anyone else who's driving on the roads
08:53right now going to their 9-to-5 job, some people, I think, just have that level of obsession
08:57with their team where they got to know every single thing.
09:00I mean, Joe, how many people do we have call into our station here and just their knowledge
09:05on this team is so deep and finite?
09:07Like...
09:07I'm not dismissing the knowledge.
09:09What I'm talking about, I guess, is, Sam, is the watching experience for those that aren't
09:17on X.
09:17Is it as disruptive as it is for us when people are notifying them?
09:23Because they're in their group threads.
09:24Most of my boys are in many group threads.
09:26And if there is a person on X, they're leaking stuff minutes before the picks.
09:32I guess what I'm watching last night, it really hit me in the head.
09:35And I go, a couple things.
09:37Number one, we got to stop with this first round taking four hours.
09:41That's number one.
09:42Number two.
09:43Well, as part of it, they shortened the picks to eight minutes from 10.
09:46We are in a scrolling society.
09:48Everyone is scrolling and scrolling and scrolling.
09:50You get four minutes in the first round.
09:52You get three minutes in the second round.
09:55Let's speed this up.
09:56I would do picks.
09:57I would do day one would be one, two, and three.
10:01Day two, meaning Friday, would be four through seven.
10:04And I would speed this bad boy up.
10:06We are, like, speed it up.
10:08We don't need to see these guys walk down slowly, hug Goodell.
10:12Like, we got to say, scroll to the next pick.
10:15The clock for the first pick should be two minutes or one minute.
10:19No, obviously, it should be zero minutes.
10:20You're going to get a clock for four months?
10:21Exactly.
10:22Like, do the Raiders really need another extra eight minutes to figure out if they need to draft the quarterback
10:26that everybody knew they were going to take?
10:28They waited four minutes to take him.
10:29Take him, too.
10:30It was insane.
10:30It's, I'm telling you, I think the entire night needs to be reviewed.
10:35And I know they're going to say, well, we get great ratings.
10:37I think you get better ratings.
10:38If I told you it was a bonanza.
10:41It's the NFL.
10:41A pick bonanza.
10:42You're always going to get great ratings.
10:44Their ratings on Saturday cannot be that great.
10:46Don't miss me with that.
10:49They're going to have pretty good ratings.
10:50They'll have decent ratings, but you're telling me if they were doing a pick bonanza from
10:54five o'clock to nine o'clock last night and from three o'clock to eight o'clock tomorrow
11:00or today, I think they would crush it.
11:03I think they would still get great ratings.
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11:11Does anyone remember Javon Kinlaw hugging, you know, Goodell?
11:16I don't.
11:16Javon Kinlaw does.
11:17No, he wasn't there because it was COVID, I believe.
11:19But you get what I'm saying?
11:20Like, nobody remembers Ricky Pearsall, you know, walking down, like, probably getting
11:24hurt walking down the aisle, but walking down and giving a hug to Goodell.
11:28Nobody remembers it.
11:29No one cares.
11:29I know for them individually.
11:31It's important for them.
11:32Yeah, I get it.
11:33Have Goodell off to the side.
11:34They come over.
11:35They do the thing.
11:35Whatever.
11:36We don't need the long walk.
11:37No, we don't need the long hug.
11:38Do we still need the long hugs, too, from Goodell?
11:40Like, good Lord.
11:41Like, Goodell tells an entire life story to every draft pick who comes up on the stage, it
11:45seems like, with how long these hugs are.
11:46I think last year we crossed the boat on his second cousin's uncle died in a hunting
11:50accident.
11:51It's like, all right, I get it.
11:52We've all been through tragedy.
11:53Also, easy fix.
11:54Like, for the fitted cap they put on, can you just put it at the biggest size to start
11:57so they're not standing in the mirror for part of the broadcast?
12:00It's insane.
12:00They look good, you know?
12:02Yeah, but, like, the players shouldn't have to adjust that, for God's sake.
12:04Just make it the biggest size.
12:06Well, there's no doubt about that.
12:08That I agree with.
12:09I just think from a viewing standpoint, like, I'm being real with you, if you have a family
12:14and you're cooking and you're doing this and you're doing that, you're not just sitting
12:18on your couch for four hours watching.
12:22You're moving around.
12:23Yes, you're trying to do things.
12:24Like, they just got to get the sense of urgency's got to get through there.
12:27I waited for the Niners to pick and pick and pick and pick.
12:30Oh, they traded back.
12:31I knew they traded 11 minutes before it was announced on television.
12:36Then I waited again, and then I'm watching, and I knew seven minutes before they made
12:42the next pick.
12:43I just think it's kind of weak.
12:44Well, I mean, the whole finding out ahead of time, is there a part of you that wants
12:47to be surprised by whatever it is they do?
12:49Like, oh, wow, that's interesting.
12:51They traded back.
12:52I'm learning in the moment.
12:53Does learning ahead of time, does that take some of the fun of it out of it?
12:56Sam, could you imagine?
12:56It's like you're going to learn about what the pick is eventually.
12:59I understand it, but on some level, I get it's entertainment, but it's also live sports.
13:03Could you imagine?
13:04Oh, we all got the update.
13:06Oh, yeah.
13:06Rashid just ran one back to the house, and then, like, a minute later, you watch it
13:10happen on the game.
13:11Like, that takes away all the excitement of it.
13:13So, yeah, you do kind of like being surprised in the moment.
13:16Yeah.
13:17Who wants to know what happens?
13:20Yeah, I kind of went away from that a while ago.
13:23It's just, you know what?
13:24Like, you're going to find out eventually.
13:27So, like, if you find out right before.
13:29But, again, it's finding out five minutes before.
13:32Like, that seems to be, I think that's a little too much.
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13:45I also think it's a product, Joe.
13:46So, just, the draft has gotten so massive as a TV event.
13:50I mean, it used to just be an event at Radio City Music Hall in New York.
13:54There was, you know, it had its own kind of set pomp and circumstance for it.
13:58Like, taking it on the road like they have now.
14:00Clearly, they enjoy doing it.
14:01Well, I'm okay with that.
14:02Yeah, you had, would you?
14:04I had no problem with that.
14:04I feel like it's just, you know, the way the draft was such a bigger, bigger spectacle now.
14:09I don't know, I think it's kind of interesting.
14:10Because, like, the NBA playoffs were on Amazon Prime last night.
14:13Well, that's a great example.
14:14I couldn't flip back and forth.
14:16Could you?
14:17No.
14:17I was stuck on the draft, right?
14:19So, this is, okay.
14:20Now, I'm getting old guy status.
14:22I had the iPad.
14:23I'm going to agree with you on this one.
14:24I had the iPad.
14:24I had the phone.
14:25I had the TV.
14:26And I was just, it was too much.
14:28Yeah.
14:28Last night was what I said.
14:30God, I'd love to be able to just multi-view the NBA and the draft simultaneously.
14:36It could have been a great night for the multi-view.
14:38I ended up, because I was trying to find some of these basketball games.
14:40I wanted to have the draft on while having some of these playoff games on.
14:43Like, I couldn't figure out why in life.
14:45And I couldn't find them.
14:46Oh, that's right.
14:46They're on Amazon.
14:47So, what I ended up doing is my multi-view was three different draft broadcasts.
14:53The ABC one with the College Game Day crew.
14:56Yeah.
14:56The ESPN broadcasts with Mel Kiper and friends.
15:00And then the NFL Network, which had Rich Eisen and some other people on it as well.
15:06Basically, you're watching the same channel three times, basically, because they're all showing the same things.
15:11The only difference is, like, some little packages they show of the players afterwards are a little bit different.
15:16And then I had one of the hockey games on in the other corner as well.
15:19But, yeah, I think it's just become so big.
15:21And I do kind of wonder how much the spectacle of it all, people wanting to know what's going to
15:25be happening before it happens.
15:27I think it all kind of ties together a little bit.
15:28Sam, the number one thing, the number one currency for live TV currently, okay, whether it's streaming, whatever, sense of
15:38urgency.
15:38When you feel like you're missing out on something, all right, society will go in droves to watch it.
15:44Game of Thrones, the final season, for example.
15:47Even people that hadn't watched any of it felt like, oh, my God, I'm missing out on something.
15:50There's a social currency attached to it.
15:53Sports and politics in live entertainment, those are the number one things.
15:57Why?
15:58Because we can't watch sports on replay.
16:02We have to watch it live.
16:03There's just a sense of urgency of living on the cliff.
16:06And I feel like when I watched the draft last night, too much of it wasn't live and real and
16:12felt scripted because I was finding out what was happening after the fact while watching it, if that makes any
16:19sense whatsoever to you guys.
16:20Well, no, you bring up the scripted part of it there, and that's where it's like the NFL has turned
16:25the draft more into a show than an actual process of drafting players.
16:30When was the last time you watched the draft and you saw the panel go, whoa, oh, my God, they
16:36picked who?
16:37I think that's kind of the funny, one of my fondest draft memories.
16:39When was the last time you remember that?
16:40One of my fondest draft memories is when the Raiders took Darius Hayward Bay and I watched Mel Kuyper's head
16:45almost explode.
16:46That's the best.
16:47Because of how much he hated it.
16:48I can't recall a single moment after a player was picked that stuck out to me last night other than
16:55they're walking down a really long hallway.
16:57They're giving a really long hug to Goodell.
17:01And then you get a really long little puff package about what this player's like and the background they came
17:08from.
17:09There was barely any reaction.
17:10Sometimes there was highlights, but it's always like, oh, I love this guy.
17:13He's got to be a great downhill threat for someone on defense, and it's just, yeah, I agree that that
17:18post-pick instant analysis or reaction or blow up wasn't there.
17:22So, like, last night's a great example.
17:24There were two, to me, there were two whoa moments.
17:26Chiefs trading up to go get a corner.
17:28It's like, whoa, like, whoa.
17:29Just them trading up, that was a lot.
17:31The second one was when the quarterback got taken to be with Matt Stafford, and yet everyone on the panel
17:37was like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
17:38Because no one wants to be wrong, and no one wants to show shock, because they knew 17 minutes before
17:44it was actually picked that we knew what was going to happen.
17:47And I think it's taken away from the spontaneity of it.
17:50I was genuinely jaw-dropped, and yet, I'm not trying to ruin it for you guys, you guys told me
17:56on the baseball field on my watch, because you texted me, that it happened minutes before it really happened.
18:01I know.
18:01So, it's kind of like, I don't know, maybe I'm the old head, I don't know.
18:06No, no, I agree with you, again, like, a minute or two before the pick, yeah, that's fine, that's whatever.
18:11But, I mean, how hard is it for Goodell to just get some of these writers in the room, whether
18:15it's Schefter, you know, whether it's Schultz, whether it's Ari Marov, and just be like, hey, guys, not until, like,
18:20a minute before the pick is actually announced.
18:23Who is feeding it to them?
18:25It could be the GMs, it could be the agents.
18:28I mean, who is feeding it to him?
18:30I gotta send it to Schefter before it goes out, so Schefter's got her back when I get canned.
18:35Sam, I think you're really on to something.
18:36Like, it seems like an easy fix to me, where you could just be like, until it's announced on stage,
18:40if you tweet about it, you're losing your credentials.
18:42I mean, all these insiders want to be the first one on it, but, like, come on, guys, there's a
18:49line.
18:49There has to be a line.
18:50Schefter's not the one that doesn't either.
18:51As we learned this week, I'm not sure there really is a line when it comes to gathering information.
18:58Well, okay, I don't think Jordan Schultz is gathering information that way.
19:01Sam, Sam, Sam.
19:03I mean, like...
19:03No, I hear what you're saying.
19:04I don't know what to tell you guys, like, it's...
19:06No, I don't know how you do, because honestly, at the end, like, you know, Roger Goodell can say Jordan
19:09Schultz, like, hey, I can't have you announcing these picks this early in advance, but at the same time, it's
19:15like, so what?
19:16You're gonna watch me tweet?
19:18You're gonna put your hand over my phone so I can't hit send?
19:20And it's like, these reporters, they kind of have to take it upon themselves to not do this, but again,
19:25it's, you're trying to be first.
19:26That's what it's all about.
19:27When you know you're right and you have the chance to be first, every journalist is gonna take that opportunity.
19:32Oh, no doubt.
19:33There's no doubt.
19:33They get the clicks.
19:34I get that.
19:35Sam, I get it.
19:36But what I'm saying is that from a viewing product, like, perspective...
19:39I know.
19:40...you've kind of taken away the spontaneity of it.
19:42No, I agree with you.
19:43And I miss that.
19:44I agree with you, and that's why I, like, it seems like a simple fix.
19:47Goodell just says, hey, hold off on these tweets here.
19:50Were you looking at your phone more or the TV more yesterday?
19:54I was probably looking at my phone a lot more.
19:55Yeah, that's...
19:56And maybe that's part of the problem.
19:57And that's why, again, you know...
19:59Is the fix as simple as just telling these writers to hold off?
20:02I don't know, because, to be honest, I think Roger Goodell can look Jordan Schultz in the eye and say,
20:06hey, don't tweet this pick out, you know, two picks in advance.
20:09And Jordan Schultz can be like, or what?
20:11Like, Jordan Schultz is a very, you know, he's a very legitimate writer in the NFL, you know, the NFL
20:17Twitter sphere.
20:18Like, he gets these things right.
20:19He's very good at what he does.
20:21I think you're not going to just take his credential away.
20:24Like, that would be ridiculous.
20:25No, no, no, no, no.
20:25But this is where I think lessening the amount of time, it's just there's a time crunch.
20:30When you give these teams eight, nine minutes in between picks, I think it's eight minutes.
20:33You have more time to tweet them out.
20:34You have more time to text that guy.
20:35He receives said text message.
20:37He tweets it out.
20:38It goes viral.
20:39I would shrink everything.
20:40I would want to know what the argument that the league would have as to why they need the eight
20:45minutes in between.
20:46My guess is they want to leave it open for teams to make a last minute trade or something.
20:51Advertisements would be one of the things that they would say.
20:52And then, yeah, the cynical reason is probably you have more time for ads or you can sponsor more stuff
20:56in between.
20:56Guys, did you watch the screen?
20:57Did you look at the screen yesterday?
20:58There were more ads on both screens.
21:01No matter.
21:02I mean, it looked like NASCAR.
21:03I'm talking about a NASCAR like like like truck.
21:05There were so many Chick-fil-A and ESPN and Coca-Cola and this and that.
21:09Like, I mean, there's they're they're making money.
21:12No, they're making a ton there.
21:13I do agree.
21:14There were a lot of commercials.
21:15I don't remember there being this many commercial breaks.
21:17Not the commercials themselves.
21:18Oh, OK.
21:18I mean, just the screen was covered in sponsorships.
21:22Yeah.
21:22Again, it just I do think it takes a little out of the product.
21:26I agree at the end of the day.
21:26Again, I'm a minute before, you know, that's whatever, because you're finding out basically at that moment anyway.
21:32But I should not know what the 14th pick is when Goodell's walking out to announce the 11th or the
21:37ninth.
21:38Yeah, there's just there's something great point.
21:40There's just something ridiculous about.
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