00:00Let's go to the, uh, let's welcome in Daryl Ryder.
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00:08Hello, Daryl.
00:09Hello, boys.
00:10Good morning.
00:10Good morning to you.
00:11All right.
00:12I want Lima to ask you this question because Lima was the one who was texted it and I don't
00:15want my name all over the aggregation the way Lima just made me think about it now that
00:19he's so upset because he wanted my name to be attached to it because apparently it holds
00:22more water with folks.
00:23So you go right on ahead.
00:24Daryl, the connecting of the dots, um, this off season with the restructuring of the contract
00:30and very different from the ones they did with Deshaun Watson.
00:33This one, they actually needed miles and his agent to agree upon, uh, the fact that the
00:38coach can barely get ahold of them, it seems, uh, and the fact that they're the dead cap
00:44hit is softened to such an extent after June that it just leads a lot of speculation and
00:51not just coming from us.
00:51I'm, I'm seeing it from every, from, from, from every side of this, that miles could
00:57be gone after June.
00:58How realistic do you think that is?
01:01Well, I think it's more realistic today than it was a month ago before they did this contract
01:07adjustment with the payment schedule of his roster bonus.
01:11Um, so I was very dismissive and frankly, I was getting annoyed and agitated with the questions
01:19that, uh, I was getting asked when I would make appearances on our sister stations around
01:23the country where, you know, they deal throughout all these trade scenarios for miles Garrett.
01:27I say, no, they're, they're not trading miles.
01:29They can't do it too many cap implications.
01:31They just re-signed them, uh, re-committed and all those types of things.
01:35But, um, look, I, I do feel like that the probability of him being traded certainly increases.
01:45Now, uh, now I know what Andrew Barry has said that we're not trading miles Garrett.
01:51We have no interest even having that conversation.
01:54Here's the reality.
01:55They're not interested in trading him now.
01:57Uh, they're not interested in 2026 draft picks.
02:00I talked about this on my show yesterday.
02:02They're not interested in more draft picks for this year for miles Garrett.
02:05They're, they would be interested, assuming they get a godfather offer, which to me would
02:10be the three first rounders.
02:11And it needs to be three first rounders because you're, he's got the new trade clause.
02:15He's not going to get traded to the Arizona Cardinals here.
02:18Okay.
02:18He's going to go to Dallas or Philadelphia or, you know, a contender, uh, preferably in
02:25the NFC.
02:26So, um, those picks would likely be late first round picks.
02:33The reason the Texans asked the Browns for three first round picks for Deshaun Watson plus
02:40more picks was because, well, the thought was, okay, Deshaun could go to Cleveland, turn
02:44the Browns around.
02:45Those picks we're going to get aren't going to be that great in the first round.
02:47They're going to be later picks in that round.
02:49So we, we need the three of them.
02:51And I think that's the same approach Andrew Barry would need to have with miles Garrett.
02:56If in fact he starts getting phone calls, but trading him right now, no trading him
03:00during the draft.
03:01No, you want to wait until this summer when the cap is a little friendlier, the cap hit,
03:05I should say is a little friendlier.
03:06And then also to the focus becomes, Hey, we need your 20, 27, 28 and 29 first round
03:13picks to, uh, even begin the conversations, uh, about trading miles.
03:18Yeah.
03:19Cause you might have to, depending on what you want to do, you might have to dip into 20,
03:2227, both those first round picks to move up.
03:24And maybe even 20, 28, depending on, you know, who you want and how deep the class really
03:29is.
03:29Uh, Daryl Ryder joining us on the show.
03:31So, uh, going to the draft, like that's where I was like, Hey man, we got to have an open
03:35mind.
03:37However, I don't want to have an open mind and then start drawing tea leaves.
03:40Cause I'm going, man, if David Bailey fell to you at six, they take David Bailey.
03:45He's a fine player, but you know that people are going to go nuts with, with speculation.
03:49If you ended up taking an edge rusher at number six, overall, Daryl a hundred percent.
03:54And I, uh, I'm not going to like Ken.
03:56Those will probably be the first words out of my mouth.
03:58How could you not?
03:59It's only human.
04:00You're only human.
04:01Right.
04:01Right.
04:02So that'd be the first thought coming out of my mouth is, well, I mean, if they were,
04:06um, uh, to take Caleb downs, right.
04:09I would think, okay, they're not going to extend grant Delpit again.
04:13Uh, you know, uh, maybe they either move him or they just play the season out.
04:18Let him go to free agency next year.
04:19I mean, those are just natural thoughts to have.
04:22So, uh, because right now defensive end, it's not a number six pick in the draft need for
04:28the Cleveland Browns.
04:30Well, Daryl, we talked a lot about, you know, needs.
04:34Kenny wants to be open-minded about everybody.
04:36And the one stop sign I continue to put up is taking a running back at six.
04:42Even if that running back can play in the slot and, and be so versatile, how open-minded
04:47should Browns fans be about taking somebody like a running back?
04:53And Jeremiah, I love it.
04:54Number six, overall.
04:55All right.
04:55I, I know you're the one supposed to ask the questions and I'm supposed to answer them,
04:59but I, I have to ask you a question now, Anthony.
05:01Yes.
05:02Yeah.
05:02Yes.
05:03What blue chip elite talent do the Browns have on offense right now?
05:10Chador Sanders, 2, 1, 6, 4, 7, 4, double O.
05:13So, why are you not answering the question?
05:16Answer the question, Tom.
05:18I don't know if they have one.
05:20Okay.
05:20A lot of people would feel the same way.
05:22So, and I feel Jeremiah Love is a blue chip offensive player.
05:28So, uh, because of his versatility, this is not a guy that you just turn and hand the
05:33ball off and he just runs over people.
05:36Okay.
05:37Um, because you can put him anywhere on the field.
05:40And if you get the ball in his hands, he can take it the distance.
05:45That's why I am more open-minded to it.
05:47Now I will, again, I'll self-report here and admit a month or so ago that wasn't even
05:53on my radar to, to go that direction.
05:55But the more, uh, uh, I looked at it, the more I was like, you know what?
06:00If they were to go that route, I don't know that I can criticize them because that offense
06:08desperately needs an infusion of top tier blue chip talent.
06:13The defense has it.
06:14You got Myles Garrett, you got Carson Swessinger, you got Grant Delpit, and, uh, you've got Denzel
06:18Ward.
06:19You've got a blue chip player at every level of your defense.
06:22Okay.
06:23Surrounded by good quality, complimentary players on the offensive side of the ball.
06:28They don't have any of that.
06:29There is nothing there.
06:31I mean, Harold Fannin Jr.
06:32is a really, really good, reliable player.
06:34Um, okay.
06:36I, and you know, I think that's where I have to stop the conversation there.
06:42Right.
06:42Quinn Sean Judkins, um, I think is a quality runner when he's healthy and he has an offensive
06:48line to block for him.
06:50I think last year he just simply got worn down.
06:53Uh, and, you know, Dylan Sampson showed a little burst, but like, I don't know if I'm
06:57ready to say that Quinn Sean Judkins, uh, for as good as he was last year, I don't know
07:01if I can say he's a blue chipper.
07:02He's an elite player.
07:03And I certainly can't say that about Dylan Sampson yet either or Harold Fannin Jr.
07:08Now I think that Harold Fannin can become that, uh, uh, maybe Quinn Sean can become that
07:14as well.
07:15But yeah, I mean, that's kind of where the conversation ends.
07:17So I am all about them finding ways to infuse top tier blue chip, explosive playmakers into
07:26this offense, because I feel they desperately need it.
07:29Darrell, I totally agree with you.
07:30I just don't think they're going to do it.
07:31It doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the conversation.
07:34It's just like, man, I do think they've reevaluated guideposts or guardrails.
07:37I should say, I just don't know if they're going to go that far, uh, into it, but I agree
07:41with you.
07:42I think any talent should be examined.
07:44Um, you know, even go ahead.
07:46They're not going to pick at six.
07:48I'm convinced they're not picking at six.
07:49Well, let me ask you that though.
07:51Let me, let me bring that up with you.
07:52You beat me to it.
07:54You know, what if I can't find, I mean, everybody's talking about trading down, trade down, trade
07:57down.
07:57I think we all see it as it's the more responsible thing to do is to trade down.
08:01What if I can't find a partner?
08:02I mean, I got to get another team to move up.
08:04Right.
08:05No, no, you're right.
08:06Takes two to tango, right?
08:07You have, you have to have someone to work with you there.
08:10Um, uh, for me, I, I think that, um, Andrew Barry really needs a couple of things to happen
08:18at the top of the draft.
08:20So, you know, Jeremiah Love and Carnell Tate and, you know, uh, whoever else, right?
08:27Caleb Downs, uh, you know, they, they, they're there, right?
08:31There's three or four really, uh, good players.
08:34Cause for my view, I think Downs and Love are the two best players in this draft.
08:40Okay.
08:41Um, uh, you know, I think we had the conversation last week about Fernando Mendoza.
08:45Like, I don't think he's the, he's not the best player in the draft.
08:48He's the best quarterback available in the draft, but he's not the best player, not by
08:51a long shot.
08:52So you do have a scenario right now where, at least from my standpoint, I think two, the
08:58two best players in the draft could be available at six because teams are drafting for need
09:02and filling specific holes and whatnot.
09:04And if that happens, Ken, I do think that sets up the perfect storm for Andrew Berry to
09:09move that pick and slide down.
09:11My concern with that is I don't want him going too far back to where he can't get, uh, one
09:18of the top tackles in this class.
09:19Because, uh, what I've heard about this receiver core is, um, the top 10 are pretty good and
09:26you're fine with anybody in that, in, in that group of top 10.
09:31So, uh, I don't have a problem if they wait till 24 to get one of those, uh, one of
09:37those
09:37kids there.
09:38So that, that's just kind of how I'm looking at the first round and trying to look at
09:41through, uh, Andrew Berry's eyes while, uh, trying to be realistic about it, uh, and
09:47whatnot.
09:48So that, that's just kind of where I'm at is we are about a week and a half away from
09:52this thing.
09:53What is the threshold for success for the Cavs?
09:56What's a successful post-season run to you?
09:58Or, cause I think we're getting to the point where it's either you're successful or we're
10:01talking about blowing this thing up.
10:03I still think we're a year away from that, but I think a lot of Cavs fans might be there.
10:07So what's your threshold?
10:08Uh, they got to get to the conference finals, uh, especially now, uh, they're the four seed
10:13it's laid out.
10:14They will not see the Boston Celtics until the conference final.
10:18Uh, so that, that's, that's where the bar is, um, barring, uh, barring circumstances
10:25outside their control.
10:26Okay.
10:26And I think you guys know what I'm talking about.
10:28I don't want to put that out there, but, um, if they are full strength as a team getting
10:34to the conference finals, uh, anything short of that for me would be disappointing, barring
10:39again, circumstances outside their control.
10:42So do you love their setup, Daryl?
10:44I, I love their depth, Anthony.
10:47I love the, I, I believe in the talent that they have, but as you know, and we've seen
10:53talent doesn't always win, uh, you know, the fact that they won 52 games this year, putting
11:0141 different starting lineup combinations on the floor, I think is just, I think it speaks
11:08to their depth.
11:09Okay.
11:10That is to me, that's rare.
11:12I don't know a lot of teams that can, can in half their games, Anthony have a different
11:18starting lineup on the floor.
11:20And yet there are 22 games above 500.
11:23So, so why is that, why is that not being celebrated?
11:25Why instead is it being met with like a malaise by the fan base?
11:29Well, I can't speak for the fan base.
11:31I can only speak for me.
11:32Um, uh, I, I recognize that my frustration with the Cavaliers in recent years has been that
11:38I, I just, I don't feel like they've ever been able to, to give, uh, teams their best
11:43shot in the playoffs a couple of years ago with Boston, uh, last year against Indiana,
11:48although, uh, they also did themselves in last year with Indiana.
11:52Uh, but I, I just, it's been frustrating for me.
11:55Jared Allen hadn't been, you know, uh, uh, you know, full go, uh, Donovan Mitchell has been
12:01worn down this time of year, right.
12:04From kind of carrying some things, uh, during the regular season and they've had other guys
12:09that have just been, you know, dealing with injuries.
12:12So, um, the fact that they're going into the playoffs, Kenny Atkinson mentioned this
12:16before yesterday's game, you know, this, this seems like the inverse of last year, they
12:20were healthy throughout the, uh, the season last year.
12:22Then he gets to the playoffs and guys start getting hurt this year, the whole season from
12:27the jump, starting with, you know, Max Bruce, not being available, uh, for three quarters
12:31of the season there, they weren't healthy from day one.
12:34Okay.
12:35And, you know, Darius Garland before the trade, he missed significant time.
12:40Uh, now knock on wood.
12:42They, they seem to be close to full strength as a team.
12:46Uh, unfortunately not a lot of burn with their core guys all together, uh, on the floor, but
12:53Hey, that's life.
12:54Uh, they got to make it work.
12:56So from a talent standpoint, I'm confident in the Cavaliers.
12:59I think they've got what it takes to, uh, to compete with teams like the Celtics and
13:05the Thunder.
13:06Um, I, it just, you know, they got to play the games and, and, and, you know, we, we see
13:11where the chips fall, uh, there, but, uh, to me, if they don't get to the conference finals,
13:16I, I, as a healthy team, I would be disappointed.
13:19Daryl, thank you for the time.
13:21We'll talk to you Friday.
13:22You bet guys.
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