00:00Why I would still start Shador on Sunday if I own the Browns.
00:03Now, this is only based on what happened yesterday
00:05or on what happened Sunday, right?
00:06If you own the Browns.
00:07If I own the Browns.
00:08Well, everybody's saying that Jimmy's making sure
00:10that Deshaun Watson starts.
00:13So I'm just going, okay, if I own the Browns
00:16and I just wanted to make sure that my fans were happy,
00:19then I would just have, if I owned it
00:22and I wanted to press that button,
00:23I'd just have Shador start.
00:25Because it might not make fans that happy,
00:27but it ain't going to make them as mad
00:28as what happens with Deshaun Watson.
00:30Am I wrong about that?
00:31I think I'm right.
00:32I think I'm right.
00:32All right, let me explain to you, Tone,
00:35why I'll do it.
00:35Who are they playing on Sunday?
00:38Who are the Browns playing on Sunday?
00:39Tampa Bay.
00:40They're playing Tampa Bay.
00:41What did I just say?
00:42And by the way, there's people who totally disagree.
00:44They're saying they're not watching that game.
00:45I say Bolsheviks, you are not watching that game.
00:48You're watching that game.
00:49It might be the last Browns game
00:51you very well pay attention to this year,
00:53but you're watching that game.
00:54You'll be there with bells on.
00:56Listen, after what transpired on Sunday,
00:59after what my fans are saying,
01:02after all that that's happened,
01:04and it's not even been 24 hours,
01:06no, I'm not having Shador Sanders go
01:09and answer to the mess that Deshaun Watson has made.
01:14I would step in.
01:15If I'm the owner, I'll step in.
01:16I'll go, no, no, no, no.
01:17I let you pick Deshaun.
01:19You're playing Deshaun.
01:20Is he healthy?
01:21He is.
01:22He's playing Sunday.
01:23Okay, against that old quarterback,
01:25against Baker Mayfield,
01:27I'm not having Shador have to come in here
01:29and have to try to clean up his mess
01:30on the road against Baker Mayfield,
01:32who's going to do everything he can
01:33to rub it in his nose.
01:34No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:35I've been through this charade for five years.
01:38I gave up three first-round picks.
01:40All the money is spent already,
01:41so the whole thing about,
01:42I don't think people understand what escrow is,
01:44but all the money that's already spent there,
01:46that's half the reason why we've been saying,
01:48you and I, like, hey,
01:50it's not about $40 million.
01:51That money's spent, whatever.
01:53All that being pointed out,
01:55I'm going to put Shador in a situation
01:57against the old quarterback
01:58that hates our guts on the road at Tampa Bay.
02:00So you're saying it's setting him up for failure.
02:03Yes, all I'm doing is doubling down on a bad decision.
02:05If I play Shador,
02:06I'm feeling this way
02:08if I play Shador Sanders on Sunday.
02:10If I start him,
02:11he may very well have to play the second half
02:12because I don't think Deshaun Watts
02:13is going to do very well,
02:14but starting him,
02:16no, no.
02:17Let Deshaun answer for his own mess.
02:19Let you guys answer for your own mess here.
02:21That's kind of how I feel about it.
02:23That's a galaxy brain answer,
02:24but that's how I am.
02:25Now, would you say that
02:27if you were that confident in Shador Sanders?
02:29Let's say you had confidence
02:31that he was going to come in and play really well.
02:32You wouldn't say the same stuff.
02:34Why are they saying,
02:35but why did you tell me
02:36if you're Todd Munkin and I'm Jimmy Haslam,
02:38if you're Anthony Lime is the head coach
02:40and you're starting Deshaun Watson,
02:41say, why did you tell me
02:42that Deshaun Watson was starting in the first place?
02:46You know why, right?
02:47Oh, there was myriad reasons.
02:49Okay.
02:50The biggest reason was what?
02:52Operations.
02:53That was one of them.
02:54Okay.
02:55Well, fine.
02:56If that's the case,
02:57then is that all going to be fixed in one game?
02:59So you told me that he was better
03:01at getting the plays out.
03:02So now you better make sure
03:04he's better at getting the plays out
03:05against Tampa Bay.
03:06You want to start him coming back home?
03:08You want to start Shador Sanders coming back home?
03:10Fine.
03:10I don't want my fans cussing me out.
03:13But if it comes down to Shador Sanders,
03:14just because you all of a sudden
03:16willy-nilly want to make a decision with it,
03:18you felt strongly in.
03:20I don't feel the same way about you as a leader then,
03:23but fine.
03:24You want to try to do that?
03:25I'm going to step right on and go,
03:26no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
03:28You pick Deshaun, you got Deshaun, buddy boy.
03:31Unless he all of a sudden comes down
03:33with some illness or some injury
03:34that I don't know about between now and Sunday,
03:36he's starting.
03:37I own the damn football team.
03:39It's my team, not yours, in the words of...
03:41Yeah, I think...
03:42I continue to say this.
03:43I think this is turning out to be
03:45the best-case scenario for Shador.
03:48And I was surprised that people were not getting this
03:50when I was saying this a month ago,
03:51that if you really were a Shador fan
03:54and wanted him to have the best opportunity possible,
03:56starting week one for the Cleveland Browns...
03:58They just did one and vision the other guy playing.
03:59...was not going to be the best way.
04:00And now, furthermore...
04:01I agreed with you then, though.
04:02He gets to draft off how terrible this is going.
04:06If we get another one of these,
04:08then Shador gets to come in, you know,
04:11as the miracle worker.
04:13Yeah.
04:13Like, you couldn't have set him up for more success.
04:16This couldn't have been a better situation for Shador
04:18because he just has to look like
04:21even a slightly below-average quarterback,
04:23and he looks 10 times better than what we saw on Sunday.
04:25I just think that that quarterback,
04:27and when does he speak down there?
04:29Wednesday?
04:30I think Baker's going to try to jam it down our throat
04:32as much as he possibly can,
04:34as often as he possibly can.
04:37And I don't think they're going to take their foot off the gas.
04:39I don't think he's going to allow them
04:40to take their foot off the gas.
04:42And if you can't come up with a defense,
04:43it's going to be a very bad day at the office here.
04:47And I'll let Deshaun take more of that
04:50than put a guy that people kind of either like
04:54or are curious about.
04:56They don't openly root against that guy
04:59like they do Deshaun.
05:02So I'll go ahead and I'll let Deshaun
05:04take the heat on that one.
05:06Yeah, I'm with you.
05:06I don't think people...
05:07Hey, you're with me, Howard.
05:08How did I talk you into it?
05:10Everybody that was angry about this decision
05:14and him not benching Deshaun,
05:16I don't think you fully thought out
05:18what that scenario would look like
05:19with Baker Mayfield potentially clowning your team
05:24and having Shador have to be in
05:27pass-first situations for an entire game
05:29what that might look like.
05:29I'd love to give him a chance
05:31to go out there and play well.
05:32I'd love to give him a chance
05:33to go out there and win.
05:36I'd love for a lot of things to happen.
05:38I got to go with what's more realistic.
05:39And what's more realistic is that
05:41it's going to be a pretty long Sunday afternoon.
05:43And it's going to be a day
05:44that we're going to have to get through.
05:45And I'll let Deshaun Watson
05:46have to get through that one.
05:47Go ahead and let him do
05:48the post-game press conference.
05:49Go ahead and let him try to explain
05:50what goes on out there.
05:52I don't want to do that to Shador.
05:54Not after that mess that happened on Sunday.
05:56Not a chance.
05:57I still would like to see some decency.
06:00216-474-0092.
06:01Did I make it a good...
06:02I can't believe I brought you along with me there.
06:03I thought Ken presented
06:05a very, very logical, common sense.
06:08Are we trying to win football games?
06:09Are we trying to do whatever the hell that's been?
06:11Are we trying to win football games?
06:13Are we? Yeah.
06:13Are we trying to win football games?
06:16When you have to mumble it,
06:18that means no.
06:20When you have to kind of say it
06:21through the side of your mouth,
06:23that's a no.
06:24For more reasons than just
06:25his pitiful quarterback play,
06:27I do not want Deshaun Watson
06:28to be a member of the Browns anymore.
06:30What's one more week?
06:32I'm the same person
06:33that said he'll get four weeks.
06:35But I still think that's going to happen.
06:38Oh, you believe Ralph...
06:41Nader? Yeah.
06:44What the hell is that guy's last name
06:46from Fox Sports?
06:47We've had him on before.
06:48Vecchio.
06:49Wilson Jr.?
06:49Oh, Vecchio.
06:51No, not Vecchio.
06:54Pascalone.
06:55All right.
06:56216-474-0092.
07:01Enrico Palazzo.
07:02Henry, go Palazzo.
07:04Brian in Cleveland.
07:05Hello, Brian.
07:07Hey, good morning, guys.
07:08How you doing?
07:08Doing okay, Brian.
07:10Go right on ahead.
07:11So, I completely agree with you, Penn.
07:13I don't think Deshaun should
07:15kind of get out of this mess
07:17against Baker,
07:17who's going to rub our nose in it.
07:19And I agree with Owen, too.
07:21I think you've got to give him
07:22four games,
07:22because I don't know
07:24if I'm ever going to be
07:24as excited to see
07:26an Owen 2 team
07:27play their first home game
07:28if he's a starting quarterback.
07:30It's just going to be
07:31an incredibly weird atmosphere.
07:33It is.
07:34I don't think we should
07:35let him off the hook this season.
07:36Yeah.
07:37Because you know,
07:38oh, my God,
07:38the jawing he's going to do
07:40if they get up by a score or two
07:42or if they get up by a couple scores
07:44and thank you for the call,
07:45it's third quarter,
07:45they start pouring it on.
07:47We start getting ready
07:48to get back on the plane.
07:50Oh, goodness gracious.
07:53Todd Bould's still that coach
07:54down there, right?
07:55He's going to have to drag
07:56Baker off that field.
07:58I don't know who
07:59their backup quarterback is.
08:00He might as well
08:00not even sue them.
08:01You don't think Baker
08:02will take a win
08:03over his X team in stride?
08:05You don't think he'll do it
08:06with class?
08:07With dignity?
08:12How many flags
08:13can he plant?
08:19Greg and Dayton.
08:21Greg, hello.
08:23Guys,
08:23it's so bad down here.
08:25It's like ridiculous.
08:26I go to a Browns bar here
08:27and there's people
08:29openly rooting for him
08:30week one to re-tear
08:32his Achilles or whatever.
08:34It's not about this season.
08:36That's why I came in.
08:37I told Baskin about
08:38a week ago.
08:38I don't care if they win
08:39three games.
08:41It's just get through
08:42this season.
08:43None of these guys are good.
08:44We know the answer
08:45is not on the roster.
08:47They're just trying to get
08:48to where he's not
08:48on the roster anymore.
08:50I don't care what happens
08:51this year.
08:51I don't care if they win
08:52two or three games,
08:53whatever,
08:53but it's that toxic
08:55down here.
08:55It's actually kind of
08:56gotten to the point
08:57of being like really,
08:58really gross.
08:58I'm sure it's probably
08:59just as bad up there.
09:01That's going great up here.
09:03Greg, thank you for the call.
09:09Super Browns!
09:10No, you can't just try
09:13to put yourself through this.
09:14Super Browns!
09:15No.
09:15Yeah!
09:16Come on, everybody.
09:17It was born in sarcasm.
09:20It will die in sarcasm.
09:22Come on, everybody.
09:22Well, that wasn't sarcasm.
09:25Yes, it was.
09:25That's a form of trying to cope.
09:26No, it wasn't.
09:27And it's not working.
09:27No, it was sarcasm.
09:29No.
09:30It was sarcasm.
09:31No, it was not coping.
09:33How am I going to cope with that?
09:35What's there to cope with?
09:36You better sit here
09:37and take your medicine.
09:39Coping is trying to make up
09:40something that ain't true
09:41according to the internet.
09:42I'm trying to make up
09:43a damn thing.
09:43I don't know which stage
09:44of grief you're in.
09:45I don't know if you're still
09:46in denial or you've made
09:47it to acceptance.
09:48What's there to deny, Owen?
09:50I'm sorry.
09:51We saw it for ourselves.
09:52I got real Xavier P
09:53sending me a bunch of,
09:54well, actually,
09:55according to this chart,
09:55you want to talk about denial.
09:57Go ahead and talk about
09:57denial there.
09:58I didn't deny a damn thing.
10:00What am I denying?
10:02I have actually seen some people
10:04start to try to justify
10:05at least some of the bad play.
10:07Okay.
10:07Yeah, you go ahead.
10:09The film grooves
10:10were actually not as harsh
10:12as I thought they would be.
10:13And they did see some good things
10:14in the second half,
10:15but it's few and far between.
10:18I can't imagine
10:19that they were as engaged
10:20when they were up 34-3.
10:21I can't imagine.
10:23Munkin said it was
10:23against their starting corner.
10:24Well, well.
10:25The touchdown pass.
10:26That'll make me sleep good tonight.
10:28Thank you very much, Todd.
10:29That throw to Casey
10:29on the sideline down the field
10:31was with anticipation.
10:32Feeling good.
10:33But John said this week
10:35that we had record scoring
10:37in the NFL.
10:38And had they not got
10:39that last touchdown?
10:40Maybe they wouldn't have done it.
10:42He's part of a record-setting offense.
10:43That's right.
10:44Deshaun Watson is.
10:45Think about that one.
10:47See, if I was serious about that,
10:48see, that's coping.
10:50That's what that is.
10:51Can I ask you a question?
10:52I've just accepted the truth.
10:54What if it's just okay this week
10:57against Tampa Bay?
10:58They lose by a score
10:59like a normal NFL game
11:01and he picks up
11:02where he left off
11:03in the second half.
11:04That'd be great.
11:06Are you starting him in week three?
11:08Uh.
11:11Uh.
11:12I'll decide.
11:13I gotta see what it looks like first.
11:15Yeah, because.
11:16I don't think anybody
11:18that wants to start him this week
11:20because they want to save Shadour
11:22from whatever embarrassment
11:24that this can be
11:24and the Baker Mayfield thing
11:26can then say,
11:27well, he can't start next week.
11:29So, you gotta want him
11:30to take his medicine
11:31for as long as he can take medicine.
11:33Yeah, but here's the thing.
11:34Panthers.
11:34Until the medicine runs out.
11:35The Panthers gave up 59 points
11:37in the opener.
11:38Yep.
11:38You probably would love
11:40to have a bad defense
11:41if that's what they are.
11:42Oh, for the love of God.
11:43Go up against.
11:44That was also Chicago.
11:45Go up against Shadour.
11:46Oh.
11:47You'd watch Shadour.
11:48Jacksonville could have scored 59
11:50had they continued to try to.
11:51Chicago made it very clear
11:52that they were going out
11:53to set records
11:54and they're gonna do it all year.
11:57I was watching that game
11:58because I was in Fort Wayne
11:59for that.
11:59That was the game that was on
12:02and it was like
12:03six or eight minutes left.
12:04We thought the game was over.
12:05Then it was like 44 to 31.
12:07It was like, okay,
12:08put the game to bed.
12:09Nope.
12:09They just went out
12:10and kept scoring.
12:12Kept scoring.
12:13That's what they're gonna do.
12:13Chicago, I mean,
12:16I don't know that
12:17this defense would have
12:18stopped them from scoring 70
12:21in that game.
12:23Well, it was even worse
12:24than the first thought I had.
12:25It was like,
12:25I just want to get through
12:27the home games
12:27without people having
12:28to boo the quarterback.
12:29Bye-bye.
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