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00:00Yeah, and that might have been the end.
00:02The end of?
00:04Cavs as you know it.
00:07Series over?
00:08That's what you're saying, Kenny?
00:10No.
00:10That's it?
00:10One game, that's it?
00:12Even though we all said they were probably going to lose yesterday,
00:15that's it?
00:16Might as well not even show up tomorrow?
00:19You know and I know there's a way that you lose games
00:22that you think it's going to go.
00:24And to be up by 22 with eight minutes left to go in that building
00:28and to do what it was.
00:29I mean, I'm just calling it how it is.
00:30Listen, you can sit here and you can come after me all you want
00:35over how I'm reacting, and I understand that there's a game tomorrow.
00:38I'm genuinely asking, is the best of seven game series over?
00:42I don't want to say it's over.
00:44You want to say it's over.
00:46I don't want to say it's over, and I'm not going to say it's over.
00:49Playback his opening question the minute his microphone got turned out.
00:52No, it was actually not a question.
00:54It was a statement.
00:55This could very well be the end.
00:56Because let's not sit here and lie to ourselves and act like we don't know
01:01who the damn owner of the basketball team is.
01:03So let's not sit here and act like the guy does not make decisions
01:07as a fan sometimes.
01:08And there's a lot of fans who are pissed off for greatness right now,
01:11and rightfully so.
01:12But you jump to, beyond all that, you jump to it's over,
01:16meaning you're not giving Donovan Mitchell, you're not giving that team
01:19any shot.
01:20Did you beg the coach to take a timeout over the last eight minutes?
01:24Yes, I wrote it down.
01:24Were you up there?
01:25I famously don't write notes.
01:27While your kids were sleeping, were you out there openly begging the coach
01:31to try to take a timeout?
01:33I was, yes.
01:34Okay, do you think Dan Gilbert was?
01:36Oh, I think everybody.
01:36Okay, so let's be honest with each other here.
01:39But does that mean the season's over, the series is over?
01:41They can't come back from that?
01:42No, no.
01:43I'm not.
01:43No, you're not going to.
01:44No.
01:45Listen, I am not.
01:46I'm not casting aspersions.
01:48You're casting some aspersions here.
01:50I know what you're doing.
01:51Because 100% of my texts were season's over.
01:54And I'm like, this is a series, isn't it?
01:57Did I lose track?
01:58No, I want to at least give them.
01:59No, I'm going to give them.
02:00I've seen that same Knicks team cough up a terrible lead last year
02:03against the Pacers, and they're the exact same team.
02:06Glad you asked me.
02:07Glad you asked me.
02:09I want to give them tomorrow to respond.
02:11As grown men, as a professional basketball team,
02:15glad you're putting me on the spot.
02:16I want to see how they respond tomorrow.
02:18Now, I don't think they're going to respond very well.
02:21I really don't.
02:23But we'll find out.
02:24Now, I'm at 6 o'clock, and maybe I'll come around at 9 o'clock.
02:27But right now, I mean, good God.
02:29It's a 22-point lead with eight minutes left to go.
02:32And why did I never get comfortable?
02:34Why did I never get comfortable?
02:35Why was I texting you and deleting it when I was trying to?
02:38Because I knew you weren't going to text back,
02:39because I knew you felt the same way I did.
02:41But I told you I wasn't comfortable.
02:43They were up by 22.
02:45And they were still up by 17, and they took the media time out.
02:48And I'm like, I still don't feel comfortable.
02:50And then I sat there, and I watched it in disbelief.
02:53Disbelief and then in anger.
02:54And then when you hear the head coach after the game, I mean, my God,
02:57we used to get mad at Kevin over the stuff of Stonewall.
02:59And at least he didn't try to laugh his way through the post-game press conferences
03:03after they would go out there and embarrass themselves.
03:05Now, Kenny's team is playing for much higher stakes than anything Kevin's team ever did.
03:10So let's call it what it is right there.
03:11I'll stop the comparisons right there.
03:13But for the love of God, you've had a fan base that has questioned you the entire year.
03:20The entire year.
03:21Going to last year.
03:22And you're trying to laugh your way through press conferences.
03:24Like, dude, you don't get what the fans want.
03:26You don't get it.
03:27You don't get it.
03:29I'm not saying you.
03:30I'm saying Kenny.
03:31He doesn't get it.
03:32I think you get it, but you're going to put me to the test today.
03:35I know you are.
03:36Yeah, we'll obviously play some of that audio.
03:38But you don't think it's a little bit different from, like, the NFL where you're done for a week
03:43and then you have all week to pour over the tape.
03:45Like, they don't have time for that.
03:46And the last thing I think Kenny's going to do is throw up a white towel
03:52and act like there's nothing salvageable here.
03:55Like, he's got a bunch of guys that could be riding an emotional wave that,
04:00look, they've already won two game sevens.
04:02These Cavs guys, they don't think the season's over.
04:05Like, they've already battled adversity, had everybody crap all over them.
04:09They've had people in their hometown.
04:11This is the one thing I saw people were trying to name what that game was
04:15and put it in the annals of all time.
04:17Oh, now you're trying to get me going.
04:18Cleveland Heartbreak.
04:19I know you are.
04:20But I said, can it be heartbreak if the city never believed in you to begin with?
04:24Okay, I mean, I'm not trying to put everybody in the same category
04:28because obviously there were 22 busloads of people that believed that went to Detroit.
04:33But there are a lot of people here, and my friends included,
04:35that never believed in this team.
04:37People at this station never believed in this team.
04:40It's not like people at this station were rooting for them to lose.
04:43Okay, but you're talking to me.
04:44So I'm not.
04:45They can't put that out there.
04:47They can't have an erosion of confidence one game in
04:51when this team's already battled all of that.
04:54And it's just the stakes are higher and the team is better.
04:56I think they don't love them.
04:57I think they love the team.
04:59But two things.
05:01I think they love the team.
05:02I just don't think they have any faith in them.
05:04They don't.
05:04No, I know they don't.
05:05The second thing is.
05:06Which is why it can't be an all-time Cleveland Heartbreak.
05:08The second thing is.
05:08If you never believed in them, it's not heartbreaking.
05:10The Browns teams in the 80s, you had real,
05:14and I know the younger people, you could just put your hands over your ears
05:17because you have no idea about that.
05:19But the whole city thought they were going and winning the Super Bowl.
05:22This is very different.
05:24I've had to fight people tooth and nail from basically the first game of the year
05:28about this team.
05:29I understand.
05:30The second thing is that I'm not going to sit here and act like it's not a big deal
05:34because it is a series.
05:35The series isn't over.
05:36The challenge is out to them tomorrow.
05:39You had said before the show, and they had said basically,
05:41that they had very little turnaround,
05:43so they really didn't watch a whole lot on tape.
05:45You brought that up even yesterday.
05:46They weren't going to get a chance to watch a lot on tape.
05:48But, I mean, you've got to say for what it is.
05:51This ain't tiddlywinks here, man.
05:53These are professionals.
05:55They had an opportunity to go out there and steal game one.
05:57I mean, I was over the moon, but I was still nervous.
06:01And then I think a lot of people felt the same way.
06:03And then when they went out there and confirmed it in the final eight minutes
06:06of the basketball game, and then were listless in overtime,
06:10you just knew.
06:11There was no chance.
06:12They were gassed, and it was over.
06:14And I think it confirmed a lot of the negative feelings to everybody.
06:17I don't think I'm not going to say that the series is over.
06:20And I don't believe that the series is over.
06:24But I'll be damned if I'm not going to get my feelings out there
06:27because it's a 22-point loss that you had had.
06:31You're up by 22, and it's one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history.
06:36That's exactly what it is, and I'm not going to call it anything else.
06:40It's a monumental choke job.
06:42Kenny, I don't think you're going out on a limb saying that coughing up
06:44a 22-point lead is a big joke.
06:45I don't know where you stand because it sounds like you wanted to play
06:47patty cakes with him there for a moment.
06:49Hold on.
06:49I'll tell you that.
06:50Did you think someone was going to fight you on that assertion?
06:52It sounded like you were for a second.
06:53No, of course.
06:54Oh, you just want to say that the series is over.
06:56Of course.
06:56You just want to say the series is over.
06:57I don't know, Whammer.
06:58What do you want to say to everybody?
07:00Because I don't know what you're standing for.
07:01It's one game.
07:02It's one game.
07:03You can get personal.
07:03Nobody needs to get mad.
07:05It's one game.
07:05Man, if there's anything people.
07:06You're not allowed to be mad.
07:07It's one game of the series.
07:08When they went out there and embarrassed themselves on national television,
07:11Timothy Chalamet is running up and down the sidelines,
07:14high-fiving Tracy Morgan.
07:16Spike Lee's about to make a movie over the thing.
07:18But, guys, nobody should be upset.
07:21It's one game.
07:21That's not what I said.
07:23What I want to know is you said something that I want to ask you about.
07:26You said that that confirmed what everybody believed about the Cavs.
07:31Did the Cavs not have an amazing come-from-behind win of the Detroit series?
07:34So, did that confirm anything?
07:36Did that not confirm anything?
07:39That's a good point.
07:39Are we game-by-game basis?
07:41Like, did you think the Knicks were going to be an easy matchup,
07:44your underdogs in the series?
07:45Both of us, what did we say yesterday?
07:47Probably going to lose.
07:48I said they'd have to probably put up 50 threes yesterday.
07:51Did you see the number?
07:52Did you see how many threes they threw up yesterday?
07:54Because I said, ah, it's a game one.
07:56It's a feel out.
07:58Everybody's going to pick against you.
07:59How many threes, Owen?
08:0150.
08:01All right, so I got one thing right.
08:02I just need to know.
08:03So, I just need to know when it's okay for fans to vent for you.
08:06No, they can vent, but you can't, like, the heartbreak thing,
08:09you can't be heartbroken if you hated this team.
08:11No, they're saying heartbroken.
08:13Who's saying heartbroken?
08:13Not saying heartbroken.
08:14They're naming it as all-time Cleveland heartbreak.
08:16That's what everybody was trying to do afterwards.
08:19That's what they do.
08:20They're trained to do that because we named these things.
08:22I don't think we should name it.
08:23The people I've been fighting with.
08:25Like, we won't be able to remember it?
08:26They've been, hold on, one at a time.
08:27The people I've been fighting with, they've been borderline rooting against the team to win this year.
08:32I mean, I got the text yesterday immediately.
08:34Oh, you still in on the Harden trade?
08:36I'm like, they would have lost in the first round with Darius Garland.
08:38What are we talking about?
08:39Like, would you rather have them do nothing at all and then you'd be eliminated?
08:42And then maybe you guys would have gotten your right?
08:43Maybe you just don't like the nucleus.
08:44So you would have been happy had they lost to Toronto because that would have meant huge wholesale changes.
08:49And by the way, I mean, like I said yesterday, if this, they get swept in Ford, it looks like
08:54there's a gap between these two teams.
08:55And yesterday I saw no gap.
08:57I mean, it was an overtime thriller.
08:59And Mike Breen had the first letter of bang down to call the Knicks loss.
09:05If that happens, like, yeah, there still could be big, big changes.
09:08There could be a massive pivot.
09:09I could see that happening.
09:11So all I'm saying is, like, I'm not going to come on the air first thing and then just kill
09:16the city's whole vibe about a playoff run based on one game.
09:20There are other guys that are going to do that.
09:21I'm excited that my team is still playing basketball.
09:26I'd rather them still be playing and have potentially six other cracks at it.
09:29Carmen and Atkinson here in the morning.
09:312-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
09:33I mean, I'm flabbergasted.
09:35Ken's mad that I'm hoping that they win the series?
09:38Everybody's hoping that they're living.
09:39Dan, what are we going to do during the Browns season?
09:41Everybody hopes that they're winning the series.
09:42What are we going to do when Ken has them for 13 wins and David for the Browns season?
09:45You're arguing with me.
09:46You want me to call Nick Wilson up?
09:47He'll do the show.
09:48I'll do the show in the afternoon.
09:49This is why Fedor doesn't talk to him anymore.
09:51We're talking to two different people.
09:52Because he gets personal because he gets mad that somebody else gets excited about the team.
09:56I get personal with you.
09:57And the reason Fedor doesn't talk to me anymore.
09:59He wonders why some media people hate his guts in town, but nobody knows that.
10:02I don't care.
10:02Ken's Mr.
10:03Oh, yeah, he doesn't care.
10:04I don't care.
10:04Do I care?
10:05A day goes by he's out ripping Chris Fedor on the text message.
10:08When?
10:09When?
10:09Shut up.
10:10So when have I actually texted you about Chris?
10:12You guys do the show.
10:12When have I actually texted you?
10:13If you're only going to dump me and never Ken, then I'm not going to do the show.
10:16You just said a word.
10:17You can't say that word on the air.
10:19You can't say it on the air.
10:20You just said something we can't say on the air.
10:23That's why you had to be dumped.
10:24All right.
10:25Okay?
10:26Yeah.
10:26You're hosting with me.
10:27No, I'm not apparently.
10:28Because you're just going to call me.
10:30Because you're just seeing a fat person sitting across from you and you think that I'm doing
10:33things.
10:34You're just going to take personal shots at me and say that Anthony, you're too excited
10:40about a team that's in the final four of the playoffs.
10:43Okay.
10:43This is unbelievable.
10:44This is unbelievable.
10:45When the Browns are one of the bottom five teams in the playoffs every year and Ken goes
10:49on this charade that the Browns could win 13 games, 14 games, by the end of the season
10:53or by the end of the preseason, he'll say 17 games.
10:56What I'm just going to point out, what I said, and yet I'm the one getting chastised
11:00because I get excited about my team.
11:02Get it out.
11:02I'm sorry about that, Kenny.
11:03Get it out.
11:04I'm sorry.
11:04Again, you asked me if I thought the series over.
11:08I didn't say the series over.
11:09Well, it sounds like you thought the series was over.
11:10Second of all, we have taken personal shots at each other for over 14 years on the station
11:14and 10 years as a show together.
11:17And you know damn well I ain't Nick and I ain't sitting there rooting for him to lose like
11:21you said I was rooting for him to lose.
11:22And the third thing about it is I will be honest.
11:24I don't give a damn.
11:26I don't give a damn.
11:27I'm not allowed to say anything.
11:29Are you tabulating on him?
11:29I'm not taking a personal shot at Nick.
11:31I'm taking a personal shot at you because I think you've forgotten who you host the show
11:34with here over the last few months.
11:35Yeah, the biggest Browns cheerleader in the station's history.
11:38And nobody gets mad at you.
11:40And who's been mad at him?
11:40But now I'm getting mad at him because I'm excited about the team that's in the final four.
11:47Who's been mad at him?
11:48Because I criticize him once in a while.
11:51If the Browns blow a 21-point lead in the fourth quarter, yeah, I'll be pretty upset.
11:55Oh, the Browns have never blown.
11:55I'll be pretty upset.
11:56They've never blown some opportunities before.
11:58And I was certainly angry after they blew those opportunities, was I not?
12:04And I'm not going to bring up the other thing.
12:06I'm done with the other guy.
12:08Oh, whoa.
12:08Kenny's not going to bring it up.
12:09No, because I'm the one who ends up in an office because it's not my heir.
12:12It's their heir.
12:13And I'm not allowed to say anything about the guy.
12:16So you know that that was unfair.
12:19No, it wasn't unfair at all.
12:20You calling me Cavs mascot, Kenny Atkinson and Whammer.
12:24Like, yeah, I'm excited.
12:25They lost 22-point lead.
12:27They lost 22-point lead.
12:28And I'm madder than hell, but guilty as charged that I'm excited that we're still playing basketball.
12:34Guilty as charged.
12:36I don't know how anybody could be excited after that.
12:39I think you could be thankful that they're still playing.
12:42Can I win next year for them?
12:43Can I win five years from now?
12:44When's the statute of limitations on that?
12:49Okay.
12:49I didn't think I'd be more upset after the blowing the lead than I was last night.
12:54And yet, this morning, they've already torn the show apart.
12:59Because they blew the 22-point lead.
13:01Well, this is what they do.
13:02They've torn the show apart.
13:05I actually said before the show, I'm not ruining friendships over the Cavs.
13:08That was a quote.
13:08Yep.
13:09Guess what?
13:10He missed it.
13:11Well, this is me and Ken every day.
13:13This is nothing new.
13:15Hey, congrats.
13:16Congrats, Jalen Brunson.
13:17You had a bunch of...
13:17This is the...
13:18You got ISO, James Harden, 80 straight times.
13:22Cavs never made an adjustment.
13:23They didn't miss.
13:24We went in the fourth quarter, five of 17.
13:28Dom and Mitchell took four shots.
13:29And if you're wondering, James Harden played the most minutes again for the Cavaliers in
13:34a playoff game.
13:35Kenny did say they played a great game, though.
13:37Three and a half quarters?
13:38I'm with him.
13:39But he did say for three and a half quarters, they played a great game.
13:42I think that might be the direct quote.
13:44Do we have it?
13:44I told the guys, I said, we played great basketball for the majority of the game.
13:47Just the ball stuck at the end there a little bit.
13:49We've got to keep trusting the passing in.
13:51But I'd also say we've got a ton of great looks that didn't go in.
13:54So we'll look at it.
13:56I think decisions have got to be better, especially when we get fatigued.
13:58Sometimes we put our heads down too much.
14:01Just got to find the open guy.
14:02They did not get a bunch of good shots in the fourth quarter.
14:04They didn't just say it once.
14:05It's a tough one.
14:06You know, I thought they hit some really tough shots in that fourth quarter.
14:10You know, those two threes, prayer threes, and the shot clock.
14:12And we got a little unlucky, quite honestly.
14:15You know, Brunson obviously took over at the end.
14:17And, you know, we started double teaming.
14:19I'm going to try to do some different things.
14:21But, listen, I'm super proud of the way our group played.
14:24We played great basketball tonight for three quarters.
14:27You know, unfortunately, the fourth quarter, they dominated us in the fourth quarter.
14:32Brunson did hit some tough shots, but you never adjusted.
14:36You never adjusted.
14:38And Bridges hit that three ball, and I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
14:42It was a total prayer.
14:44I agree with Kenny.
14:45I'm proud of the players.
14:46I'm not proud of Kenny.
14:49Kenny deserves.
14:50I hope the anger that you guys had five minutes ago.
14:55That's what it is, though.
14:56I hope some of that is reserved for Kenny Atkinson later today.
15:00That's what it is.
15:01We're not mad at each other.
15:02We're going to end the segment and go, oh, that video will go crazy.
15:06But, yeah, we're mad at the Cavs.
15:08We are mad at the Cavs.
15:09I'm really mad at the Cavs.
15:10You should be.
15:13I'm sorry I called you Whammer.
15:16I'm sorry I brought up the whole, well, you know.
15:20I haven't texted you about that guy in a long time.
15:22I'll just point that out.
15:24Let the record show.
15:28That's about where it stands.
15:29They relied on James Harden to defend the guy that's outplayed Donovan Mitchell
15:34in two playoff series and counting.
15:38They relied on James Harden, who led the team in minutes.
15:41Was he 42 minutes yesterday?
15:42He led the team in minutes yesterday.
15:45And I thought, I wrote it down in my notes, three and a half quarters in,
15:49I said, Harden has defended one through five admirably.
15:53And then that happened.
15:55Then they kept playing basketball and never adjusted.
15:58What was he real quick?
15:59That's the thing about basketball.
16:00They're going to play four quarters.
16:01Should he have taken James up?
16:02You've got to do all four of them.
16:03Should he have taken James up?
16:04I thought they could have been a lot more strategic.
16:06Here's the problem.
16:07Yes, I think they should have because the problem was his shot is not falling.
16:11This is now going into the end of the Detroit series.
16:13His shot's not falling.
16:14And he had a bunch, again, that were right around the rim
16:16that looked like they were going in.
16:19But who were you going to go to?
16:20Was it Schroeder?
16:21He was abysmal.
16:22And he was running around out there with his arms.
16:25And he was one of nine.
16:26And he was fouling the crap out of Brunson.
16:30The last thing you want to do is put Brunson on the foul line
16:32to chip into the lead.
16:36Not to mention, you know, Strews was kind of a mess in that game.
16:39I know he hit a couple threes and he had a lot of hustle plays.
16:42But he was a mess too.
16:44And he does not trust Strews because of the fouling,
16:47because of the overaggression.
16:48I mean, if you put a fingertip, and I know Harden foul baits, yes.
16:53But if you put a fingertip on Jalen Brunson,
16:56once he gets into his mid-ranger, it's a foul.
16:58When you breathe on him, it's a foul.
17:00So I think that's part of it.
17:02And then when you start doubling, you saw, like,
17:04your defense was on skates.
17:05And the Knicks actually have guys that can hit threes.
17:07This isn't Tobias Harris at the end of the game staying in the corner.
17:11This isn't two-way Dennis Jenkins.
17:14Like, these guys are legitimate players.
17:16They went all in on their team, too.
17:18They maxed out their team.
17:19They used all their assets to get this team.
17:20Who hit the tying throw?
17:21I'm sorry.
17:21Was it God Sham God?
17:23Who the hell was that?
17:24I'm serious.
17:24Shamit.
17:25Yeah.
17:25Larry Shamit.
17:26Larry Sanders?
17:27A guy I didn't know.
17:28A guy I didn't know before he hit that three last night.
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