00:01So, we are in the company of Natalina, sister of Emanuela Orlandi and Andrea Ferraris.
00:07We have some documents that have reached us, which in my opinion are really important.
00:12They have arrived, they concern Pietro Vergari, the rector of the Basilica of Santa Polinare,
00:17By now you all know him, who, among other things, is under investigation for the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi.
00:24But we tried to understand more about his life, before, after this event of Emanuela's kidnapping,
00:31As you can rightly see, it was a kidnapping, and she certainly didn't disappear voluntarily.
00:35So, a piece of news that we have, which we can't say how good it is, I don't know how to use the term, or
00:45No,
00:45but anyway, the forensic police arrived, a suitcase with some fragments arrived.
00:50What we have the other time was Rizzi who told us no, it's not true, the news is not
00:54it is correct, as it was given.
00:57We tried to understand more, there are recent bone fragments in the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
01:03In these days the scientific police took a briefcase and brought it Cristina Cattaneo to her team
01:08'Abbanoff.
01:09They are studying, they will have to study these bones to try to understand who they belong to.
01:14We know that they did DNA tests on both Emanuele Orlandi's family and on Antonietta Gregori, Mirella's sister.
01:20Gregory,
01:21whom, as always, I greet with great affection.
01:24So this is news that I don't even want you to comment on.
01:27I think the only thing we can say, if not from Emanuele, certainly from someone...
01:31As we said last time, I belong to someone else.
01:35Undoubtedly.
01:37Because in a basilica there are fragments of bones that are not those of the ossuary, so to speak.
01:43Because everyone tells us, there's this ossuary, they're Napoleonic bones, but these are recent and now they need to be studied.
01:51So, with Andrea and Natalina, I wanted to show you these documents,
01:57which are practically personal notes, it is a personal note reserved for members of the Italian Episcopal Conference.
02:06There are practically more points, more cases.
02:09What interests us is the second point.
02:12What it is practically, I can say it's a bit of a blacklist.
02:15I mean, be careful of these priests who have done this, this and that.
02:20So from the general secretariat of the CEI comes this note, confidential of course, important, which in some way provides a warning.
02:30So, let's look at the date first, because it's important.
02:32It is June 10, 2002.
02:35Let's consider that we at Don Vergari, at Basile Santa Polinare, didn't even talk about it, we had never talked about it.
02:43So, what does point 2 say?
02:47The prefect of the congregation for the clergy drew attention to the vocational initiatives of Monsignor Pietro Vergari
02:54and on his work ovlati della regina Apostolorum.
02:58In the opinion of the di Castero of the Holy See, it is necessary that the Italian diocesan orders
03:04do not accept or promote to holy orders subjects presented by the aforementioned priest,
03:11that is, Pietro Vergari, or in any case those coming from his environment.
03:15In short, what comes to be understood is that the confidential note says
03:19Be careful who Don Vergari introduces you to, right?
03:25We're not saying it, but...
03:27I mean, you get the point, right?
03:30It is the Castero of the Holy See.
03:32By the way, he founded this Queen Apostolorum after being sent away unexpectedly.
03:37a bit of a run from the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
03:41We have received these documents that we are showing you because we have tried to understand
03:45everything about Don Vergari, even the disappearing paintings, about these somewhat casual seminarians.
03:51They tell us, well, we can't talk to all of them obviously,
03:56but they tell us that it wasn't really a seminar.
04:01So, the note, among other things, continues, says
04:04do not welcome people who attend, with residence permits,
04:10these are always the subjects presented by Don Vergari,
04:13residence permits appear to have been obtained surreptitiously by Roman universities.
04:20That is, we are talking about irregular permits, in short, about something, let's say,
04:25which is outside the law, right, in short, of people who have entered our country
04:29not regularly, but Don Vergari presented it and tried to get it going
04:34on a path to becoming a priest, then, well, in the end, because that's what it was.
04:40So, there's another one from 2007, right?
04:42In 2007, in fact, we are already talking about Pietro Vergari,
04:46always with you, who have always been our guests, in short, we said
04:52from the famous phone call in 2005.
04:54From the famous phone call, exactly, in 2005, which says
04:57go and see what happened in that basilica,
04:59and we somehow returned to the basilica,
05:01why is she leaving this institute, Ludovica Odio Vittoria,
05:06Which is attached, right? It's still in the same complex, right?
05:08Absolutely.
05:09In short, let's say from the basilica, to be a little clear with our three spectators.
05:13What's going on? Before this other confidential note we received,
05:17But we, Don Vergari, we looked for him, in short,
05:20and we tried to talk to him to get him to explain the reason for this burial.
05:25Well then, once again, sorry if we try it again,
05:28but let's see how Don Vergari welcomed us.
05:36Good morning, Your Excellency.
05:37Can you explain why De Pedis' tomb is located in a church?
05:40Look, so, here it is.
05:42Everything, so you know the internet?
05:44Yes.
05:45So, you go to www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com, it's all there.
05:50I see?
05:53Your Excellency, allow me to introduce myself. We haven't even introduced ourselves.
05:57No, I know he's not talking to me, but I'm up to the mark of anyone who's seen him.
06:01I just wanted to ask for explanations.
06:03Listen, Mom, you guys go away.
06:04No, I know, but I read what he wrote on the site.
06:08There can't possibly be an explanation.
06:09Eh, there's no explanation there.
06:11It's all there, it's all there.
06:13Listen, father, there.
06:13It's you with the big voice, you understand?
06:16No, the problem is that we started from that and it's strange, people even resented it
06:21this thing.
06:22It doesn't seem strange to her.
06:23Have a good day, huh?
06:24No, I understand.
06:25Excellent.
06:25But why doesn't he give us an answer?
06:27Excellent.
06:27All there, all there.
06:29HI.
06:32Hello, Don Pietro, good morning, you must forgive me, always up to Nazio, how are you?
06:36I went to the site to read the story she told us, since when I go to
06:40tour,
06:40I will be working for anyone who has seen it.
06:42Everyone tells us, but why did Don Pietro do this?
06:44Yes, I did this thing, did you see why?
06:47Because his relatives asked him this, yes.
06:49Can I do it alone?
06:49No, no, listen, no.
06:51No, no, on the website.
06:54No, no, she wrote that when she found out, please, just this.
06:59A question of yours, you say you found out it was De Vedis from the newspapers, then why did you
07:05did you still have him buried in there?
07:08Good morning, do you have a question?
07:10Let's prepare for statistics.
07:12All right.
07:15I just have one question for you.
07:17All right.
07:18Can you make me one?
07:19All right.
07:20Huh?
07:21All right.
07:22Only those, I swear I won't do them to him again.
07:23Say what he wrote.
07:25Oh, exactly about that, about what he wrote.
07:27Me, on what she wrote.
07:29She wrote that she knew who he was, first.
07:33Oh, yes, at the door.
07:34Oh, just that.
07:36You don't go, when she found out, despite this, she did it.
07:39Well.
07:42I won't ask him for help.
07:43Until we meet again.
07:47So, there is a colleague of ours, Vito Francesco Paglia, who has just gone
07:50again under Don Vergari's house, with these new documents that we received.
07:54They are reserved, but apparently there are those who, somehow, you know, seeing our
07:58work, he says, you talked about the seminar, look what happened.
08:04There's this other document, which is from 2007.
08:06Consider that the vicariate of Rome has already said, we have nothing to do with the burial,
08:10Coletti is dead and De Pedis is already there, what can we do, right?
08:15Well, in 2007 there is another note reserved for the staff of the members of the episcopal conference
08:21Italian.
08:22Let's read.
08:22We urge the Italian bishops not to welcome into their seminaries young people presented by Monsignor
08:30Pietro Vergari, of the diocese of Assisi, etc., etc., or in his name through a third party.
08:37So don't welcome young people into the seminaries, not seminarians, but the young people themselves who are presented
08:42from Vergari.
08:43In fact, the congregation understands that the aforementioned priest has been carrying out a work of discernment for years.
08:49vocational without being legitimized or authorized to do so.
08:55Perhaps this note is even harsher.
08:58Certainly, much harder and probably if we have come to this decision there is
09:04a past that we should know better.
09:08Among other things, what I understand is that he continued over the years, in the sense that
09:12he, despite these confidential notes that reached all the bishops, however he continued
09:17to what to do, because more are arriving in 2007 and so he continued.
09:21So a little bit, well...
09:22What we have always asked for, that is, that there be a little more discernment,
09:27of knowledge, of collaboration where this emerges in these documents, that is, knowledge.
09:33It's not that we are waiting for a miracle, we want justice, to understand what
09:38It happened. Her parents, first together, then now just Maria, have always prayed
09:47looking for a miracle. What we regret is that in these cases it is not a miracle,
09:53He wants justice, he needs a little collaboration from Santa Selle.
09:59Natalina, have you ever met Don Vergari?
10:01No, I've never seen it.
10:03Never seen it?
10:03But I know that he comes to enter the Vatican with peace of mind, because many people in the Vatican know him.
10:11Oh, so also...
10:12Yes, yes, just these days.
10:14We want to tell our three spectators that there are many Catholics who are writing to us
10:18which obviously we have nothing against, neither the Pope nor the Vatican.
10:21that Don Vergari pretends to us, that is, it would be enough if everything were clear.
10:24No, but let's say that the Vatican itself says about Don Vergari be careful of him, so
10:29they themselves say.
10:31Always divide what is the Holy See, the management from the Church, are two things that
10:38they are distinct, but in the human management of this person the truth must be told, that
10:45what he did is what he is doing.
10:48Dear God, we have priest friends, we have nuns.
10:52But what I would like, if any seminarian can, or some young person who was introduced
10:57from... because then among other things they write to us, these are all things that we have to verify though
11:01that in reality Don Vergari introduced some young people, some seminarians who have entered somewhere.
11:07Then, it would be enough for the members of the episcopal conference to clarify.
11:13Sure, sure. So, sometimes I hope those bones aren't your sister's,
11:22Why these fragments are incomprehensible? However, we know that they are in good
11:25morning because Cristina Cattaneo, with whom I must say, we worked on the cadavers not
11:30identified, even on the most unknown people, in quotation marks, because there are those who have
11:37got some justice thanks to Labanov, who did a really good job
11:42exceptional. So, thanks to Natalina, thanks to Andrea.
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