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00:00Actually, we're moving on to Don Vergari.
00:02So, Don Vergari came out of the news this week that he was under investigation.
00:06What actually happened?
00:08That he had already been investigated, but it had been done for a treatment, we can say, of preference.
00:13That is, an omission had been made, the names of the suspects were there and his had been deleted, he was in
00:21white.
00:22So, Don Vergari is the rector of the Basilica of Santa Polinare who knew De Pedis well.
00:27He will be questioned again.
00:30We tried to understand more about him, apart from the story of Emanuela Orlandi and De
00:37Foot.
00:38So, we asked ourselves, why did Don Vergari pass by the Basilica of Santa Polinare in 1991,
00:44a beautiful basilica in the center of Rome, in a small village?
00:48What happened?
00:49Was he removed?
00:50Why is he removed from his position as rector of a basilica and sent as parish priest to a small village?
00:58province, in Turania?
01:00So, when he asks Cardinal Poletti for permission to bury De Pedis, he writes like this,
01:06The deceased was generous in helping the poor who frequented the basilica, the priests and the seminarians.
01:13So, the seminarians.
01:15We also tried to understand what relationship there was, or was, between Don Vergari and his seminarians.
01:21When we went there to Turania to meet him with Pino Nazio, we went there, you know, several times,
01:28We have discovered lesser known things that have to do with his seminar, so you will soon hear a little more about it too.
01:35former seminarian,
01:36one who was a seminarian with Don Vergari, but we also discovered another, passionate about paintings.
01:44Let's see what Pino Nazio did, the first part.
01:53Don Piero Vergari remained rector of the prestigious Basilica of Santa Pollinare until 1991.
02:00Then he is sent away because of his gossipy acquaintances.
02:05The prelate, a personal friend of Enrico De Pedis, is given a new assignment.
02:10Certainly not as prestigious as that of rector of the very central Santa Pollinare.
02:15Don Vergari ends up in Turania, a small town on the border between Lazio and Abruzzo.
02:22The prelate's activity, however, does not stop even for an instant,
02:26and as soon as he arrived in Turania he founded a community, the Regina Apostolorum.
02:31It is attended by young seminarians, almost all of them non-EU citizens.
02:36The chatter about what happens during the meetings in the seminar,
02:39they begin to circulate around the country, and reach the ears of the Bishop of Tivoli,
02:44who shortly thereafter publicly announces the closure of the community,
02:48wanted and founded by Don Pietro Vergari.
02:54So the script repeats itself, and the gossip starts to make itself heard once again.
02:58on the acquaintances of the former rector of Santa Pollinare.
03:02Not only that.
03:03Something unclear is happening in Turania too,
03:06about the disappearance and then reappearance of some paintings,
03:09a Madonna del Carmine and a canvas depicting Saint Philip Neri.
03:14Painting, on the other hand, is Don Vergari's great passion,
03:18the paintings, one of his obsessions.
03:24To understand more about Don Vergari,
03:27on his much talked about activities, we went to Turania.
03:37The person who frequented Don Pietro Vergari for a long time in the past is the former mayor of the town.
03:42He came with great enthusiasm at the beginning, in short,
03:47he was a very busy man,
03:49who had also introduced new elements compared to the old parish priests of the past,
03:57in short, someone who sang, played the disharmony,
04:00he organized parties.
04:01On one hand he was the parish priest,
04:02and on one side there was a college of preachers, of seminarians,
04:10who lived, in short, a somewhat parallel life.
04:13Then, after, as time went by,
04:16rumors began to circulate
04:18which concerned the general progress of this seminar,
04:22of what then gradually emerged.
04:29It is obvious that this then generates doubt,
04:34relationship difficulties and so on.
04:37Enrico De Angelis leaves us with the promise to search,
04:40in his archive and in the memories of his collaborators,
04:42more information on the reasons why Don Vergari
04:45he had a strong disagreement with the bishop of Tivoli.
04:48Then he gives us the name of an important witness of the time.
04:52There was a, let's say, a sort of secretary,
04:55a certain Mario, Mario in various bullshit,
04:59which, in short, acted as a bit of a factodum,
05:01he managed a bit of everything,
05:03the group of seminarians,
05:06everything that was then the internal activity.
05:11No one can give precise information,
05:13but everyone talks about a certain Don Mario,
05:15as the person who might know Don Vergari
05:18for the years of living together in the seminary.
05:20Don Mario knows well because he was his cook
05:23to the seminarians.
05:27This gentleman also invites us to search
05:29the mysterious Don Mario.
05:31They tell us that he lives near Don Vergari's house.
05:35When we get there, we find a friend of his.
05:38If he took devils with the episcopal curia,
05:41it happened that Devo Tendianco
05:45they sent him away.
05:47He says to the priests,
05:48you should be ashamed of what they are doing.
05:50Yes, I told him, but he doesn't answer me.
05:52He tells me, look, we're friends,
05:54but let's leave this answer to be done.
05:56Friendship is on the table
05:57and personal things into account.
06:01I hear you saying them too,
06:03I mentioned it to him,
06:04It was him and he didn't let it slip.
06:14While we are talking about him with Mr. Mariani,
06:16Don Vergari himself appears on the balcony.
06:20Good morning, do you have a question?
06:22Yes, do you want me to do it?
06:23No, good.
06:26I just have one question,
06:28you ask me, okay.
06:29Can you make me one?
06:30All right.
06:33Only I swear I won't do them to him again.
06:35What is that about what he wrote?
06:37Oh, exactly about that, about what he wrote.
06:39Me, on what she wrote.
06:41She wrote that she knew who he was.
06:43For the fact of all and at four years.
06:46That's all he told me.
06:47Look, when he found out,
06:49even though he didn't make a living from it.
06:53I ask her to put it in the house.
06:58Don Vergari has no intention of speaking.
07:05So, every time we meet Don Vergari he refers us to his blog.
07:08Of course, we would like to ask him more in-depth questions.
07:12But at this point, since they told us that there is a person who worked a lot with him,
07:15in close proximity, this Don Mario,
07:19we did two things.
07:20We searched for this person,
07:22but at the same time we also tried to talk to some seminarians,
07:26because we hadn't really understood what these local rumours were,
07:29this chatter,
07:30and above all because the Bishop took it out on Don Vergari,
07:33enough to make him close immediately,
07:35at some point, the seminar.
07:38So, let's continue our journey of research,
07:41with Pino Nazio,
07:42of those who know something more than Don Vergari.
07:51We continue to look for Don Mario.
07:53After much waiting,
07:54we finally manage to meet Don Mario
07:56and talk to him,
07:58Don Vergari's closest collaborator,
08:01at the Turania seminary.
08:02I was a bit of an administrator,
08:04what you did.
08:07Since I didn't agree with some things,
08:09I left.
08:10That famous Madonna,
08:13that painting,
08:14that's just because I got it back for him,
08:18that nobody knows,
08:19and for the first time I say it,
08:20because that Monsignor Vergari,
08:22he had taken it,
08:23that Monsignor Vergari likes these things.
08:25Art, the same with paintings.
08:27He likes it.
08:29And if he had taken it, he wouldn't have found this Madonna again.
08:31So I said to an administrator at the time,
08:35look, if you want the Madonna,
08:39he comes there,
08:40he comes there,
08:41you call him and tell him,
08:42look, if how, maybe I don't know why,
08:44you have this.
08:46And then you'll say to yourself, no,
08:47if not, look,
08:47then you want to live that wall,
08:49take down that painting,
08:50look back there,
08:50the doctor's salary.
08:52And do you find it?
08:52At that time,
08:53and you take it back.
09:04To understand the value of the canvas,
09:06we ask to meet the director of the Turalia Museum,
09:09who is also director of the Museum of the Obscure in Rome.
09:12I noticed immediately,
09:14through this image that was seen,
09:17it couldn't be seen,
09:18that it was certainly a painting from the seventeenth century,
09:21and which was attributable to some excellent artist,
09:28since then,
09:28which I repeat,
09:29very little could be seen.
09:30When the treatment was done,
09:33and then the restoration,
09:36it was immediately clear that it was the Sasso Ferrato,
09:41so an extremely important picture,
09:44it's a beautiful painting,
09:46Truly.
09:46When we talk about such high values,
09:49It's better not to talk about numbers.
09:53Don Mario also clarifies another important aspect for us,
09:56related to removal from office
09:58which Don Vergari held in the diocese of Tivoli.
10:01Monsignor Vergari,
10:02Divinis has never been suspended on this.
10:05The suspension in Divinis.
10:06He can give it,
10:07he can give it,
10:08only the bishop of belonging.
10:10Monsignor Vergari
10:13it is hinged on him
10:14to the diocese of Assisi,
10:17of the bishop of Tivoli.
10:19He tells the bishop of Cicicuato
10:20that I don't want,
10:22that this priest of yours
10:24come and celebrate in my diocese.
10:26The suspension, therefore,
10:27he never had it.
10:29The Bishop of Tivoli
10:30he recovered
10:32what is called
10:33the barroccial benefit.
10:35She spoke to us last time
10:36of the measures
10:38adopted against Don Vergari
10:39by the bishop of Tivoli.
10:40He gave us the news
10:42so a bit generic.
10:43I know he looked into it further.
10:44this topic.
10:44What did he discover?
10:45A decree from the bishop of Tivoli
10:49abolished the association
10:51which had been founded
10:52from Don Vergari,
10:53who is the queen apostolorum.
10:56What year was it?
10:57In 1996.
10:59On the reasons that led
11:00to this forced closure
11:02of Don Vergari's association.
11:04But did he ever know anything?
11:05I have never entered
11:07in this case
11:08what were the interests
11:10or what the situations were.
11:12Of course it is
11:13that for me
11:14it was a great surprise,
11:16it was a warning
11:17for the people
11:18to say
11:19look
11:19that no longer exists
11:21that association.
11:25So what?
11:25to understand more
11:26we went to look for
11:27to speak
11:28at least with one
11:29of the seminarians
11:30which were part
11:30of that association.
11:32We found one
11:33who accepted
11:34to speak
11:35with whoever saw it.
11:36We feel it right away
11:37after this short break.
11:39Have you heard?
11:40first Don Vergari
11:40he takes a beautiful
11:41Square
11:42of his church
11:44because he was a parish priest
11:45he takes it home
11:46then they go and get it back
11:47the administrator
11:48and they bring it
11:49to restore
11:50if they take it back.
11:52Have you heard?
11:52but also
11:53we're talking about gossip
11:54of the country
11:54but not only this
11:56why the bishop of Tivoli
11:57at a certain point
11:57it closes
11:58the association
12:00that one there
12:00precisely
12:01where there were
12:02the seminarians
12:03that were going
12:04with Don Vergari
12:06to do that
12:06that was supposed to be
12:07prayer
12:07vocation
12:08In short
12:09a path
12:10to arrive
12:10then to the priesthood.
12:12So but why?
12:13it was closed
12:14this association?
12:17Why Don Vergari
12:18we had asked ourselves
12:18first it is moved
12:19from Rome
12:20to a small town
12:22of the province
12:22it comes somehow
12:23removed
12:24from the basilica
12:25of Saint Polinare
12:27then also in Turania
12:28something happens.
12:29A seminarian
12:30he agreed to talk
12:31with us
12:31with Ercole Rocchetti
12:32and we hear
12:33what did he tell us
12:34today this man
12:35he is a priest.
12:40I found myself
12:41there in Turania
12:42in a moment
12:43That
12:45my position
12:46he was weak
12:47he was a boy
12:48that he had left
12:49a congregation
12:50I didn't know
12:51where to go
12:53someone
12:53he introduced me
12:55like a good
12:56Samaritan
12:57Don Piero Vergari
12:58I realized
13:00almost after a month
13:02that actually
13:04I found myself
13:06let's say
13:06in a situation
13:07that it wasn't
13:07properly
13:09a seminar
13:09it wasn't
13:10a center
13:11vocational
13:12In short
13:12it wasn't
13:13a place
13:14own
13:14For
13:16become a priest.
13:17What was it?
13:19It was simply
13:20a
13:20let's say
13:21a meeting place
13:23of people
13:24which was
13:25in other congregations
13:26and that
13:29Like this
13:29or fortunately
13:31bad luck
13:32we were there.
13:33How many of you were there?
13:34In the era
13:35when I entered
13:37we were a good group
13:38there were about twenty of us
13:39of boys
13:41he had
13:41a lot
13:42sympathy
13:43For
13:43African priests
13:45or the African seminarians
13:47and he
13:48his
13:49altruism
13:50it was more direct
13:51towards them
13:52if someone
13:53it revealed itself
13:54it's not that he was blackmailing him
13:55or was hindering
13:57he in a certain way
13:59he invited
13:59to this someone
14:01to leave
14:02This
14:03let's say so
14:04this center
14:04vocational
14:05indicating it explicitly
14:06to leave.
14:08His behavior
14:08it was from someone who
14:11he knew that
14:11he was
14:13like power
14:14And you
14:15you should have stayed calm
14:18Meaning what
14:18he had that type
14:19and every now and then
14:20of this type
14:21of attitude.
14:21I was wondering
14:22How come
14:24in Rome
14:25with many places
14:27he went
14:28at the end
14:29Turania
14:29And
14:32I supposed
14:33only
14:34I was wondering
14:35Always
14:35but why
14:36a person
14:36that in the end
14:37it could be
14:38Well
14:39a monsignor
14:40a priest
14:41works in the Vatican
14:43Why
14:44let's say
14:45to look for each other
14:46trouble
14:47through
14:47this congregation
14:49this thing
14:50that in the end
14:51it's not a thing
14:52totally
14:53let's say
14:54to the light
14:56legal
14:57let's say so
14:57he knows the reasons
14:59for which they have
14:59is the center closed?
15:02I don't know them
15:04I don't know
15:04Exactly
15:05but
15:06I think that
15:07actually
15:08if
15:09a
15:11seminar
15:11which is not
15:12seminar
15:12a center
15:14vocational
15:15which is not
15:15center
15:16vocational
15:17At that time
15:18you will say
15:18what is it
15:20actually
15:21I was expecting
15:22such an end
15:23Meaning what
15:23can't
15:25move on
15:26something like that
15:27sometimes there are
15:28some things
15:29that not
15:29we wouldn't want to
15:31don't even remember
15:32or what
15:33they happened
15:34in our life
15:35I learned
15:36to read
15:36Also
15:36my life
15:38with the moments
15:39ups and downs
15:40remembering that
15:41everyone comes
15:42anyway from God
15:45I wanted
15:46Anyway
15:46that page
15:47Not
15:47don't touch it
15:48never again
15:49That
15:49Not
15:50That
15:51That
15:51That
15:51That
15:51That
15:52That
15:52That
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