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00:00Look, this is the second time that the forensic team has entered a church, both times for two girls.
00:05missing, for Elisa Claps and for Emanuela Orlandi.
00:09Elisa Claps was found in the church of the Holy Trinity in Potenza.
00:14Regarding Emanuela Orlandi, the Rome Flying Squad prosecutor's office has doubts about the girl.
00:20She was kept hidden inside the Basilica of Santa Polinare, because on the day of her disappearance she was there for the
00:26his flute course
00:27and nothing more was heard of her. She left the Music Institute to go wherever she could.
00:35We wonder, the prosecutor's office of the Rome Flying Squad is wondering who re-entered that basilica.
00:41What is certain is that inside that basilica there is the tomb of a man, of this
00:47'man.
00:49A man believed to be the leader of the so-called Magliana gang was killed in the city center of Rome.
00:54Enrico De Pedis, 36, was on a scooter when he was approached by two motorcyclists.
01:00who fired several gunshots at him.
01:03The killers disappeared through the streets of the city center.
01:06The murdered man operated in the capital's nightlife scene.
01:09Although the murder occurred on a normally busy street,
01:13the police managed to find only one witness.
01:17So De Pedis is killed, it is a settling of accounts that makes De Pedis fall into a trap,
01:23It was Angelo Angelotti who indicated the place where he was.
01:26He is another member of the Magliana gang who two weeks ago,
01:30We're talking to you about just a few days ago, he was killed during a robbery in a Roman jewelry store.
01:37Here it is.
01:38And that means, since this fact happened two weeks ago,
01:42that the members of the Magliana gang are alive and well and continue to work.
01:48And then in Santa Polinare because Fiore De Rienzo has with him a document that appears to us,
01:53a flyer that appeared in Rome, really disturbing.
01:57Flower.
01:58Yes, Federica, we are, as you can see, right in front of the door of Emanuela's music school.
02:07And in this courtyard, yesterday, the operational area for all the investigations had been set up
02:15which we will talk about later.
02:17Here, exactly at the corner of this building a leaflet, a poster was found
02:26which was distributed on the machines, attached to the wall, which is really disconcerting
02:31because it consists of a tribute to Enrico Renatino De Pedis, head of the criminal organization
02:40who ruled the capital in the 70s and 80s.
02:44I won't read it all to you, but he speaks from memory and with immense respect.
02:48We can have the director show it because a viewer, among other things, sent it to us.
02:53while you tell us about it.
02:55Yes, and anyway he concludes, oh well, now they'll let you rest in peace, the only true Roman boss.
03:03There is a strange poem in Roman dialect.
03:06I truly have no words for this event, a poster like this, Federica.
03:16I don't know what else to say.
03:18So, we can say that the person who is not resting in peace is definitely a young girl.
03:23She was a young girl when Emanuela Orlandi was kidnapped, and so we will continue to investigate and talk about her.
03:31I was telling you that we have an unpublished document, we have never shown it before, but now we are showing it
03:36because Vittorio Rizzi's men are in there, in that basilica, and there is talk of renovation work
03:42that were made there and the discovery of two skeletons.
03:47So let's try to understand more.
03:48Of course, when I talk to you about it, it's because I'm also addressing the workers who worked on the renovation of the basilica.
03:54if they could please call us and tell us what really happened.
03:59That day a few years ago we were already there in front doing our live broadcasts.
04:03So, goodbye to Natalina and Andrea, thank you for always being here with us.
04:09But I would like to say that something else strange happened.
04:12Lillie Viccaroteo went there in front on Monday
04:16when with our operators, with Livio Carboni, we went there to see what was happening
04:22and the first to enter the basilica were De Pedis' lawyers.
04:27De Pedis' lawyers wanted to make it known that in reality De Pedis is not buried in that
04:33church.
04:34Did you hear that right? Now listen to their words.
04:37What do the De Pedis family's lawyers tell us?
04:42We have always said that any discussion regarding the moving and translation of the coffin
04:47it would necessarily have followed an inspection, an investigation by the prosecutor's office.
04:52This investigation was carried out. Enrico De Pedis was obviously in the tomb.
04:59Why was he buried in here?
05:01Look, I came today to do a technical investigation with the prosecutor's office.
05:04We did this in compliance with the protocols provided for by the code.
05:09The rest are other matters that concern the family and perhaps the Vatican and certainly not third parties.
05:18This was a burial conducted following an official public protocol.
05:26This is what I can tell you.
05:28There is an explanation for everything.
05:29There is an explanation for everything.
05:30And what is the explanation?
05:32These are private matters, I don't think they could be of interest.
05:36So basically money from the De Pedis family was paid?
05:38She's saying this.
05:40No, he's asking her a question.
05:41She's saying this.
05:42That's a question. Was any money paid?
05:44Nothing was paid.
05:46Work has been done to arrange the tomb.
05:50Where was De Pedis when Emanuele Orlandi was kidnapped?
05:55I almost wasn't born.
05:57But is it legal for the family?
05:58It was somewhere else entirely.
05:59Where?
06:00She was a fugitive when she was kidnapped by Orlandi.
06:02Just think how he could have been here.
06:04I'm sorry you can't come down, but she was somewhere else entirely, she's not in the church.
06:07This is something that perhaps no one knows and perhaps no one says,
06:11because it is clearly more convenient to say that it is inside Santa Pollinare,
06:16because it's a sacred place and so on.
06:18But no, it's not like that.
06:19And where is it?
06:20Outside, it's in a little room, a closet, sir, it really is a closet.
06:23But it's unusual that it's here.
06:25In a closet that is part of the church or is it part of this other building?
06:29No, no, it's not part of the church.
06:30It is outside the church territory, it is external, it is not part of the church portion.
06:37So, it's not part of the church portion.
06:40So it seems strange to us, this document from Vergari comes from the Basilica of Santa Pollinare,
06:44in which Vergari, Don Vergari, the rector of the Basilica, addresses Cardinal Poletti
06:49and asks for permission to go and put De Pedis with his tomb
06:54right in one of the mortuary chambers of the Basilica of Santa Pollinare.
06:59So a mortuary, it is written in this document, of the Basilica of Santa Pollinare.
07:04And then Cardinal Poletti also assures that the works will be done expertly
07:08with those workers who have already worked for the tombs of the supreme pontiffs.
07:15And so it really seems strange to us that today there is this news instead
07:18that De Pedis is not buried in that basilica
07:21and then we don't understand the reason for all these official documents to ask for the authorization instead.
07:27So, why did we get there?
07:30I want to be clear with our viewers.
07:32because some somewhat confusing news has been released in recent days.
07:35The Orlandi family never asked to open De Pedis's tomb.
07:40The Orlandi family wants to know the truth about Emanuela Orlandi.
07:44Whatever it is, he did not ask for the tomb to be opened,
07:47or rather to tell the truth, it was De Pedis' family
07:50who said if we have to move the grave
07:53anyway check it out because we want to end it
07:55with this suspicion that inside the tomb there is Emanuela Orlandi
07:59something we didn't even think of
08:01why Emanuela disappears in '83
08:04and De Pedis instead died in 90
08:06and so we have always told you
08:07it was impossible to keep a girl's body for seven years
08:11but that basilica can speak to us
08:14just as the church of the Holy Trinity spoke to us for Elisa Claps
08:18and that's why we've followed a path over the years
08:22and you will see us in this service a little younger
08:25this path which will now be very clear
08:28we rebuilt it for all of you who followed us
08:30truly with so much affection, that you helped and encouraged us
08:34This journey begins in 2005
08:37It starts right when we met Natalina and Andrea, her husband
08:43and let's see what happened
08:53We meet Natalina and her husband Andrea in our editorial office
08:56let's tell them that we would like to talk about Emanuele Orlandi again
09:00and know if the family always agrees
09:02we barely know each other
09:04because it had always been Hercules, the father
09:06to maintain relations with journalists
09:08but Hercules is no longer there, he's been dead for a year
09:12It's 2005
09:13Emanuele has been missing for 22 years
09:21Let's go on air
09:22There is a poster that one day appeared on the walls all over Rome
09:28We share what we have learned over the years
09:30the known things and the hypotheses made to explain that disappearance
09:37Finally we appeal
09:39who knows
09:40that you speak
09:42A few days pass
09:43and a call comes to the switchboard
09:45of our editorial staff
09:48Regarding the case of Emanuele Orlandi
09:50to find the solution to the case
09:52go and see what's buried in the cave
09:53of the Basilica of Santa Polinare
09:55and of the favor that Renatino did to Cardinal Poletti at the time
10:05The Basilica of Santa Polinare
10:11This church is part of the complex that also housed the music school attended by Emanuela
10:17She had gone there that afternoon of June 22, 1983
10:24Emanuela had come out from there
10:26There in front
10:28she had been last seen before she disappeared
10:32With that anonymous phone call
10:34someone show us a way
10:36and we decide to follow it
10:40During the summer break
10:42We are working on the documents relating to De Pedis' burial
10:45In September we are in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare
10:48We entered the Basilica
10:50which as you can see is now completely covered by these barriers
10:55which hide work in progress
10:57We spoke to someone who was in the church
11:01hoping to be able to access the crypt
11:04They told us that there is work in progress
11:07even in the crypt
11:09and therefore it is not possible to visit it
11:11in fact they confirmed the presence of the tomb
11:15and they told us it's there
11:17because before dying Renatino De Pedis had converted
11:21There is also Emanuela's brother, Pietro
11:24and we show the request of the rector of the Basilica
11:27Don Bergari
11:28which advocates the concession
11:30of the authorization for burial in that sacred place
11:33We also show the response of the Cardinal Vicar of Rome
11:37Poletti
11:37which allows
11:38and then the smiling photo of Enrico De Pedis
11:41in the crypt
11:44In the meantime, we are asking the ministry for authorization.
11:47to be able to interview Maurizio Abbatino
11:49member of the Magliana gang
11:51under protection because he repents
11:54Maybe he knows something
11:56Maybe you can explain to us the meaning of that phone call.
11:59and he certainly knew De Pedis
12:01Who was De Pedis?
12:03Renato
12:04Renato was part of Giuseppucci's group
12:07but me too anyway
12:08Renato, whom I have always known
12:09then we also lived near Magliana
12:12only that I take a direction
12:13and he another one
12:14but he also with the robberies
12:15maybe even more
12:16how do you say
12:17more quality
12:19In short
12:19the most robberies
12:21more substantial
12:22at some point a rift had formed
12:24that we would have liked to eliminate it
12:26but I don't know if I would have really succeeded
12:28to kill De Pedis
12:30because there was
12:31there was a friendship
12:33how we had grown up almost together
12:35in short, from 18 years old
12:3717 years old
12:37the reports of the Magliana gang
12:40with the Vatican
12:43No
12:44I heard
12:45by Renato De Pedis
12:47precisely what he supported
12:48inside a crypt
12:51but
12:52I can say
12:53the reports
12:53there were indeed
12:54in the 70s
12:58Abbatino talks to us about De Pedis
13:01but not Emanuela's
13:03Let's try to contact another member of the gang then
13:06Antonio Mancini
13:07he is wary at first
13:09then accept
13:11He talks to us at length about his relationship with De Pedis
13:15De Pedis was
13:16a person
13:18gentle ways
13:19educated
13:20I had committed some robberies there
13:22in the 70s
13:22Together
13:23a bolt of lightning
13:24and a jewelry store
13:25and had
13:26a
13:28quality
13:29that no one else had
13:30he knew how to sell himself
13:33De Pedis
13:34he managed to get in
13:35in the glanches
13:36of all situations
13:40he had ways
13:42that had nothing to do with it
13:43with us villagers
13:44did you understand?
13:46I called him so much
13:47the doll
13:48Why
13:49while we
13:50we almost all sniffed
13:51cocaine
13:52that wasn't it
13:52that one didn't even smoke
13:53he had let it go to his head
13:55And
13:57he had forgotten
13:58Who
13:59he had given him the opportunity
14:01to climb
14:01the power
14:03and he had neglected us a bit
14:05all a bit neglected
14:06to the inmates
14:08that you at the beginning
14:09you were very good friends
14:10well me
14:12we were
14:14I should use
14:15a Roman term
14:16but that's not the case
14:17the use
14:17ass and shirt
14:19I was wanted
14:20he cared a lot about it
14:22accompany me in the evening
14:23I remember him
14:23who had the gun
14:24hidden in her car
14:25audio
14:26had done
14:27a kind of trunk
14:29and I say
14:30make this thing better
14:31he tells me but don't worry
14:32it's called film
14:33Everything is fine
14:34then we let him hear the voice
14:36of the so-called Mario
14:37the man who called home
14:39Orlandi a few days later
14:40Manuela's disappearance
14:41and who showed he knew
14:43private details
14:44which concerned the girl
14:53there's a sweater inside
14:55Magliana
14:56but things are coming
15:03she this voice
15:05he recognized her
15:08this voice
15:09it's the voice of the Magliana
15:14in subsequent broadcasts
15:16let's keep talking
15:17of Tepetis
15:18and his singular burial
15:20we receive so many
15:22phone calls of disdain
15:23especially from citizens
15:25who profess to be Catholic
15:27until the Vatican
15:28decides to give an explanation
15:29It's October 3, 2005
15:32the current managers
15:33of the vicariate
15:34while understanding
15:35that such a burial
15:37can lift
15:38considerable doubts
15:40this is a document
15:41vicariate official
15:43of Rome
15:44which continues
15:45further ahead
15:45with these words
15:46it is not believed
15:48on the other hand
15:49of having to proceed
15:50to the exhumation
15:50given the authorization
15:52granted
15:53by the then Cardinal Vicar
15:54as well as for respect
15:56which in any case must be done
15:57to every deceased
15:59to try to understand
16:01something more
16:01on the matter
16:02of the buried man
16:03in the basilica
16:04let's contact that one
16:05which had been
16:06his historical lover
16:07Sabrina Minardi
16:10had
16:11a long relationship
16:12with him
16:12she was a woman
16:13young and beautiful
16:14when he met
16:15Renatina
16:15I was
16:17the woman
16:18by Enrico De Pedis
16:19Yes
16:24we dated
16:26for about ten years
16:27we had
16:29a relationship
16:30sentimental
16:32that at the beginning
16:33was
16:35I can say
16:36a great passion
16:38Renato wasn't handsome
16:40but he was a man
16:41that there was a charm
16:42when she understood
16:43whoever was in front anyway
16:46was he scared?
16:48I had decided
16:50Of
16:51to stay close
16:53Here you are
16:53in my own way
16:55but until the end
16:56What was his life like?
16:58we often went
16:59at the grand hotel
17:00we used to go to the sauna
17:01things
17:02then there was a scene
17:04there
17:04and then
17:05I went to his house
17:06or maybe we went
17:07to sleep together
17:08but like in a movie
17:10Truly
17:11of the godfather
17:13In short
17:13these things
17:14I still imagined
17:16the criminal
17:17style
17:18Perhaps
17:18what do I know
17:19years
17:1950
17:21a little ignorant
17:22but Renato
17:24he was a man
17:25who knew
17:25moreover
17:26of everything
17:27moreover
17:28this while
17:29De Pedis
17:30he was a fugitive
17:31he is captured
17:32just following
17:33Sabrina Minardi
17:34up to the apartment
17:35who live together
17:36at the right point
17:38I feel giving
17:38all blows
17:40kicks
17:41fists
17:41In short
17:41at the door
17:42and the house
17:44invaded by men
17:45Meaning what
17:46there must have been 50
17:47but what do I know
17:48how many there were
17:48he was
17:49very cute
17:50why did he tell her
17:51listen to me
17:53to the lady
17:53if they don't fly
17:54the children
17:55from the windows
17:56if he doesn't come
17:58treated
17:59as it should be
17:59if I went back
18:01I would do it all again
18:02even prison
18:04Sabrina Minardi
18:05also tells
18:06the last moments
18:07of life
18:07by De Pedis
18:08we should have
18:09start
18:10the next day
18:108 o'clock
18:11why did you go
18:12on Pellegrino Street
18:13there was a haberdashery
18:14I stopped there
18:16and he told me
18:17wait for me here
18:18that soon
18:19I'll pick you up
18:21alright
18:22I
18:23enter the haberdashery
18:24and ask
18:26these socks
18:26to the lady
18:27and see
18:28all people
18:29who was running away
18:30that was running
18:30towards the street
18:31of the Pilgrim
18:32was
18:33all one
18:34in Rome
18:34right in the center
18:35he was killed
18:35a man
18:36considered
18:36the boss
18:37of the so-called
18:38Magliana gang
18:39the man
18:40Enrico De Pedis
18:4036 years old
18:41was on board
18:42of a scooter
18:43when it was reached
18:44by two motorcyclists
18:45that they shot him
18:45against numerous
18:46gunshots
18:47I see the scooter
18:48his on the ground
18:49I'm getting closer
18:50And
18:51there was
18:52was born
18:52on the ground
18:53I understand
18:54that maybe
18:57there was nothing left
18:58to do
18:58he accepted
19:00to speak
19:00by Renatino
19:01but not a word
19:02about Emanuela Orlandi
19:07it's obvious
19:08that we are journalists
19:09we do interviews
19:10it's not that we do
19:10of the interrogations
19:12when we talk
19:12for the first time
19:13with Abbatino
19:14he didn't speak to us
19:14by Emanuela Orlandi
19:15when we talk
19:16for the first time
19:17Sabrina Minardi
19:18it hadn't been
19:18heard by the investigators
19:20Speaking of which
19:21precisely
19:21by Emanuela Orlandi
19:22she didn't speak to us
19:24by Emanuela Orlandi
19:25rather he told us
19:26Almost
19:26but what do you think?
19:27something like that
19:28And
19:29it seemed
19:30a dead end
19:31for us
19:31that
19:32but we decided
19:33to insist
19:34because in that phone call
19:35it was said
19:36not that Emanuela Orlandi
19:38was inside
19:39the tomb
19:40by De Pedis
19:40but there was a mystery
19:42in that basilica
19:43a mystery
19:44to be revealed
19:44which concerned
19:45precisely
19:46Enrico De Pedis
19:47so what did we do?
19:49We invited
19:50Antonio Mancini
19:51in the studio
19:51and in the studio with us
19:52there were
19:53Natalina
19:54and Peter
19:55the brother and the sister
19:56by Emanuela Orlandi
19:57because we thought
19:58that Antonio Mancini
20:00in front of the questions
20:01of a sister
20:03and a brother
20:03he wouldn't have pulled
20:05backwards
20:05but that day
20:06there was another person
20:07that for us
20:08it was really
20:08important to invite
20:10there was the new boss
20:11of the mobile squad
20:12Victor Rizzi
20:13because in that period
20:14he had decided
20:15to reopen
20:15all cases
20:16of missing women
20:18killed
20:19And...
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