00:00A lot of people in the mentions going, Ken, you're fighting a fight that doesn't need to be fought.
00:03Just let it go.
00:06I think that there might be some apathy out there with some fans.
00:09That's probably what a lot of that is, that kind of sentiment.
00:12I mean, come on.
00:12Do you not have a chance?
00:14I'm going to try to talk you into something that's not real here.
00:16Hold on.
00:17Do you not think that there's a chance that they could be maybe a little bit surprising this year?
00:23Is there any chance they could be a little surprised?
00:26It's the NFL.
00:27Okay, well, you completely spiked that chance without my house character.
00:30But when I say that, that's the same chance I give every team to have a good year the following
00:34year when no one's expecting it.
00:35So it's not really rooted in anything.
00:38Every team in the NFL has a delusional part of their fan base and is like, why not us this
00:43year?
00:44Yes.
00:44It's also the scheduling.
00:45And the schedule.
00:46All the fours play each other, so eventually one of those fours is going to beat all the other fours.
00:51I'm not asking you to agree with anybody who's on the other side of reality.
00:56But I can guarantee, because there are people who do have an outside thought that maybe, you know, if things
01:02go well and Todd Munkin makes this big of a change and maybe those free agents are, you know, they
01:08start to talk themselves in it.
01:09Maybe they can be a little bit better than what they've been in the past.
01:13But I think there's only, if you're founded anything in realism, the realistic thing would be, yeah, you ain't got
01:20Miles Garrett anymore.
01:21No, it would cast a pall over the fan base.
01:24I think it would cast a pall over the organization.
01:27It would cast a pall over the locker room.
01:29And it would certainly not be good for Todd Munkin's season as a head coach in the NFL.
01:34And it wouldn't be good for his future either.
01:36Like, all that needs to be taken into account before you accept anything about Miles Garrett.
01:42And one of these teams has to come up with something that is going to really change your thinking.
01:47Because I think you want to go into it.
01:49Andrew Bear is supposed to be open to everything.
01:51And people are saying he's lying.
01:52He's not lying.
01:53I think you need to go into this with the thought of, my arms are crossed.
01:57I'm doing nothing.
01:58Nothing to move this guy.
02:00Because you want everybody to know that you are not moving him unless you come up with something that's almost
02:05unrealistic.
02:06Because he's that good of a player and you are, there are so many bad things that are going to
02:11happen right now if you were to trade him.
02:15Which, there's something else that we could be talking about in the future.
02:18Did Andrew Barry tip his hand a little bit?
02:22And what he expects out of this bronze football team?
02:24Lima thinks yes because of an answer.
02:26Not about bringing in any quarterback.
02:28Bringing in a young quarterback.
02:33I think you can understand we wouldn't necessarily comment on specific prospects.
02:38We have spent time with Ty.
02:39I think that's obvious and we'll continue to do so.
02:42But I think he has a bright NFL future.
02:44So in this clip fully, they had said that he is not planning on bringing in a veteran quarterback.
02:50If anybody would be a young quarterback.
02:52And you took that as what?
02:54That they are A-OK with being really bad this year.
02:57And what I mean by that is, of course, if Shador, you know, makes the leap that we're talking about
03:02and jives with Munkin and all of that, then of course, of course they'll take the wins if they come
03:07because it means your quarterback is really good.
03:09But I thought all along they would be bringing in, you know, probably a veteran QB to stabilize things if
03:16things go south right away.
03:17If they start out 1-5 and who knows what Watson, how healthy he'll be, how much they're realistically going
03:25to give him a shot.
03:26Then if you had like a Marcus Mariota, not that he's good, but that he still is capable of coming
03:33in and just holding the fort down.
03:35Here's the full clip of what Barry said.
03:36If Chase DeLotter can just say, now, doggone it, now you guys are making fun of me here.
03:42Always want to be flexible because you don't know how circumstances change or what opportunities come your way.
03:47Our lean would be if we do add someone to the quarterback room, you know, it would be someone who's
03:53a younger player most likely.
03:56But I can't state that definitively because I don't know what the next couple weeks will hold.
04:01But anyone that we bring in at any spot on the roster, you know, our thought is that they are
04:06competing.
04:06They're competing to play.
04:08They have something that we like in their skill set.
04:12And our expectation would be for them to work harder.
04:15So I agree with him.
04:16I would rather just go young if you really wanted to bring somebody in.
04:19I don't think I'd bring in anybody this year.
04:23If you did, I'd say, okay, can I get a seventh rounder for Dylan Gabriel, maybe a sixth?
04:29I mean, the touchdown-interception ratio, maybe that gets me to the sixth round for Dylan Gabriel.
04:34I'm serious.
04:34Maybe it does.
04:35Maybe it doesn't.
04:36So you bring in another young QB.
04:38Maybe you trade away Dylan Gabriel.
04:39Fine.
04:39If you have two young QBs there, one, I'm hoping to start the season with Shudor.
04:44Then I got Deshaun Watson.
04:45We'll see where it goes.
04:46I actually think I agree with you here.
04:49Because if they had a real problem with that, it would go right into what we were talking about
04:55with going after one of those veterans that we argued about every single day last month
05:00about which veteran would we go after.
05:02And it turned out that none of them wanted to even be here.
05:04So a young guy, a drafted guy, really doesn't have much of a choice.
05:07And he has not much of a choice other than to learn from you.
05:12I think it would be a way to keep some people interested even if he had to break that glass
05:15and go to the young guy.
05:16Which any young guy gets drafted by the Browns, you're probably going to end up being playing
05:20in that first season.
05:22This is why I say I'd rather win seven with Shudor than nine with Deshaun.
05:29Because I don't think Deshaun's got what it takes to lead you to the promised land.
05:32I don't think Deshaun has what it really takes to lead you back to the playoffs.
05:36If I win nine games with Deshaun, now you win 10 or 11 or 12, that's different.
05:41But I don't think you can get to that level.
05:43You win nine games with Deshaun, all I'm doing is muddy in the water for the future.
05:46I win seven with Shudor, that water can get muddy still.
05:51But I can also go, okay, do I have to go crazy and do everything for a quarterback?
05:56Or if I've won seven games, I know they're only playing the fours.
05:59I know that their strength of schedule isn't that good.
06:02But if I win seven games, maybe eight games with Shudor, can I make an argument that maybe
06:07we have found a quarterback that maybe not our quarterback altogether,
06:10but certainly is looking a hell of a lot better and might show some promise for 2027.
06:14Yeah, you'd have excitement there, depending on if it's just the defense carrying,
06:20like they did the final two games of the year when he didn't even play well and they won,
06:23or is it Shudor is legitimately the reason they're winning games and he's making plays,
06:28which we've seen him capable of making those plays.
06:30But yeah, I mean, both examples, you're stuck in the middle, which is not the place to be
06:36with the draft coming up, but you can at least sell your fans on, hey, we're getting better.
06:41We're showing improvement.
06:43We'll kind of doom you again in taking a quarterback in the next draft.
06:47So that would be the one thing where I think...
06:49Well, I thought you'd pounce on me for that statement.
06:50You're really not.
06:51Well, I wonder if you were to poll people and were trying to take the emotions of an actual
06:55season away, whether they would just rather be bad with both of them, like just be bad
07:00and get it over with and move on from both these guys.
07:03But if you're just good enough, it creates that ultimate dilemma as you're not only kind
07:09of in the middle, but now you have to make a commitment to these guys of at least another
07:13year for Shudor or a new contract with Deshaun.
07:17We'd love it to be either really, really bad with one of the two or really, really good
07:20with one of the two.
07:21That would make things easiest.
07:23Oh, yeah.
07:23But very rarely does life work out that way.
07:26You still have a lot of things that you need that you cannot really address until however
07:30they want to see how they address it this year, but you still have things that you need that
07:34you're probably not going to be able to address until 2027 and even beyond.
07:37And then by that time, we're talking about defense again and who to address on defense
07:41as well.
07:42So there's things that you have to always be working on.
07:46You would have to discover whether or not you think that Shudor Sanders, if he were to
07:51win seven games this year, would be a guy you could work with in the future.
07:54But Deshaun winning nine games, there's just a lot about it I don't want to see.
07:59There's a lot about it I don't even want to entertain.
08:01Yeah.
08:01Because he just opens up.
08:02It's not even about the conversations that we have.
08:04Some of you guys think I'm pussyfooting around and being a total baby about these conversations.
08:08I had to have these conversations for an entire year and a half.
08:11If I have to have the conversations again, I have the conversations again.
08:14I just want what's best because it's not just the conversations, it's a total bowl of wax
08:20that I have to sift through to find anything good if he just comes in here and he wins
08:25eight games for the Cleveland Browns.
08:26That would be the worst possible scenario for everything.
08:29Shudor wins eight games?
08:30Let's have a conversation.
08:32Deshaun wins eight games or nine games?
08:33Well, you got a whole big mess of problems on your hands.
08:36I would have to see Watson not just show glimpses.
08:39I would have to see a lot more than that of like 2019.
08:42And think about the year I just used.
08:44We're in 2026.
08:46I would have to see the brilliance that he brought to the table in those first four, five years.
08:53And we haven't seen anything remotely like that.
08:55As far as Shudor, I do think, had they have even gotten average quarterback play last year,
09:04that team wins easily, especially with some of the games they lost.
09:08Did we lose to the Jets?
09:10We lost to the Jets and we lost to the Titans on special teams.
09:13Had you have even had average quarterback play last year, you would have won nine games or close to it,
09:18right?
09:21So that's not necessarily...
09:22Can I count Minnesota?
09:23That's not even...
09:23Yes.
09:24So that's not even necessarily an endorsement for Shudor.
09:27That's just average quarterback play.
09:29Now, that's a huge step up from what we've had.
09:32But average quarterback play also presents its own unique set of problems as well.
09:37Because your goal, obviously, is to get much better than average.
09:40Because average is not really moving the needle in terms of changing the franchise around.
09:48It's still better than where we've been.
09:50That's true.
09:502-1-6-4-7-4-8.
09:51Like, I need to see a ceiling there.
09:53I need to see that, okay, Shudor was an average quarterback this year, but you can see he's taking off.
10:00If it looks like you're capped at average, then I think you're in a really tough spot.
10:05How do I figure out what I'm...
10:07Yeah, it's tough.
10:07Yeah, I mean, it's all...
10:09Like, if he has all day to throw, if the offensive line is fixed, and he's still on the average,
10:14then I'd be like, ooh, he's kind of looking like a fifth-round pick.
10:16Well, exactly.
10:17Winning a handful of games with Shudor and winning a handful of games with Watson are two totally different things.
10:21Either, A, with Watson, you're looking for ways to get out of the contract.
10:24You're looking for ways to move him on.
10:26With Shudor, you know, you win seven to eight games with Shudor,
10:30then he has a massive fan base, and there's going to be a lot of people thinking that you found
10:34your guy.
10:35And I don't know if we're going to be out of...
10:37You can win seven, eight games in this league with mediocre quarterback play.
10:41I can't guarantee.
10:43And I've liked his dad.
10:44I saw Mitch Trubisky win 11 of 15 one year.
10:48Yeah.
10:49So it's not just wins.
10:51You can't just look at the wins.
10:52You've got to be a savvy ball-knower, Ken.
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