00:00The Browns have two top 25 picks. The Browns do not have a proven starting quarterback.
00:05Ty Simpson is one of the top 30 visits for the Browns this year. There is a personal relationship
00:11between Todd Munkin and Ty Simpson and Ty Simpson's dad. So yes, guys, I understand we're all,
00:20I think I'm skittish about Ty Simpson. I think you're skittish about Ty Simpson.
00:24Very, very skittish about Ty Simpson. So like Ty Simpson at six gives me incredible anxiety because
00:29I need an impact player there. I do. And if Ty Simpson needs to sit for a year or if
00:35Ty Simpson
00:36turns out to be yet another guy with less than 20 career starts in the NFL and it doesn't work
00:41out,
00:43I'm going to be pretty furious about that. That's going to be a wasted pick just like it feels like
00:47Dylan Gabriel already is. But it does kind of feel like one of these things that the Browns do where
00:51they just, from the clouds, make a move that nobody saw coming. And all of a sudden you're like,
00:56oh, okay, Ty Simpson's our quarterback at six or maybe even 24. But it's interesting. I think,
01:01I think there's this anti-quarterback push this year for the Browns. And it comes up every time we
01:09talk about any of the quarterbacks. And you know, when the Eagles traded for Andy Dalton,
01:15we talked about Tanner McKee now, sure, sure. Why not add another quarterback to that room?
01:22I'd rather not with Tanner McKee specifically. I wouldn't want to give up the pick for him,
01:25but like, okay, at least the Browns are trying to add something to that room. Uh, we've talked
01:30about Kyler. We've talked about all these quarterbacks and people there, there are people,
01:35especially the supporters that get upset about it. And it's like, listen, if your guy is that good,
01:41he'll make the Browns look foolish for any move that you make. So I don't understand. You can't
01:47be that confident in Shador Sanders and then turn around and go, well, we don't even bring in
01:54competition for him. That's not how the NFL works. You can believe in Shador and also understand that
01:58the NFL, especially if you are not proven yet, which Shador isn't in their myriad of factors of
02:04why that could go into there until you're proven, they're going to keep bringing in competition for
02:08you. Right. But I think a lot of the supporters have a distrust in what the Browns are. Now that's
02:13fair. And I think last year, I have that same distress. I mean, I think last year was, uh,
02:17you know, like they, I mean, they kept pushing Dylan Gabriel's if that was a real something and
02:21leaps and bounds better than Shador. And it's like, at some point, uh, you know, you can think
02:25you have the better quarterback, uh, but if they, if they have it locked into their eyes and they made
02:29a move or they spent capital on somebody else, then like sometimes you just lose those battles.
02:34Yeah. But shouldn't they, shouldn't because Todd is here, like the guy that I'm hoping,
02:38well, but I, I think like, if you thought Stefanski was the boogeyman is gone now, but
02:43you know, for sure you, you'd hope that right. You'd hope that. Well, but I, I think, I just
02:48think there's some insecurity there with the Shador folks that I don't understand. I mean,
02:52you get burned touching the stove once you're going to be hesitant to then touch the stove
02:55again. Even if somebody tells you it's not on right now, it's a new stove. I know, but
02:58you're still going to be hesitant to be like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know that I'm
03:01ready to do that quite yet. This one doesn't love Dylan Gabriel. Every time I've touched a
03:06stove, I've gotten burned. So give me, give me a little bit to be comfortable with the
03:09idea that this one won't also burn me as I think kind of the point.
03:12I do think it's interesting though, that there is that anti quarterback push and I think it's
03:18all done. And I think we're in the same spot. Now we were when the Browns were getting ready
03:22to move on from Baker to Deshaun in that somehow we've cycled back to the only thing that matters
03:28is franchise quarterbacks. And that's the only thing we should be chasing. And I think you're
03:34in a totally different spot. Listen, I would have been happy keeping Baker in 2022. I understood
03:42that 32, 30, 30 out of 32 teams would have made that decision, would have chosen Deshaun
03:48over Baker before we get into all the nuance of that conversation. But the difference is
03:54you had a, a starting quarterback that you thought was a specific ceiling at best, maybe
04:00the 10th, 11th, 12th best quarterback consistently in the NFL. And you were trying to get one of
04:04those top five. That makes sense. You had had Baker for four years.
04:08They looked at a young division too, that at the time that Joe Burrow, Lamar had already won
04:11league MVP. And they just thought to themselves, how are we going to not only escape out of the
04:15AFC, escape out of our own division. If you don't have one of these guys, but to, but to go
04:19where you are now, you, you're, you don't have a, you don't have a floor in that quarterback
04:24room because you don't have anyone other than Shador. I refuse to accept Deshaun Watson at any
04:32age, at any point now as a serious consideration in that room. So until they add another name of
04:39any substance that's done anything in the NFL, or they draft a guy, the, the door is going to feel
04:45cracked open. Even post the draft, if they don't draft anybody guys, if a name comes up, that's
04:50available. We're going to have to talk about it because Shador versus Deshaun specifically,
04:55and this is all about Deshaun is nonsensical, but I get this idea that people just think,
05:02well, you play out the string and then you're going to draft the quarterback next year. And
05:05then you'll have your franchise guy. When has it ever been that simple for anyone? That's
05:10Arizona did roughly the similar thing twice over. And they got Josh Rosen into Kyler Murray.
05:16So I just, this, this, this obsession about it's franchise quarterback or bust is asinine.
05:22You need a starting quarterback. You need somebody that is capable of starting at quarterback in
05:28that room over. And by the way, not just one, maybe multiple guys over for up to five to 10
05:33years.
05:34If they're a franchise quarterback, that's great. The chance that they are going to, there's four or
05:40five guys that are franchise quarterbacks in the NFL. So you do need this idea of, well,
05:45we'll just get one next year. That's not how this ever really works for anybody,
05:48let alone the Cleveland Browns. No, but where the Browns are operating from,
05:51it does give them one of their better chances. Cause like if they, if it wasn't coming this
05:54off season and again, Shador, it'll get his opportunity this upcoming year. But if you go
05:59to the 2027 draft and it seems like you don't have a quarterback, that is your best chance to
06:03obviously get that. And so like, that's, that's all I think like in the, we don't have a million
06:06years to figure it all out, but in the, in the immediacy, I think people are looking at 2027
06:10as being the most realistic option of getting one. If Shador ends up being, if Shador maximizes
06:17what I think he can be, I think he can be your, and when I say bridge quarterback, I don't
06:22mean
06:22like two years, I mean five to seven years or more. Oh, that's nice. Like a solid starting
06:27quarterback in the NFL. But that's what I think he can be. If he maxes it all out, that, that
06:33shouldn't preclude you from doing anything seriously. Like I wouldn't take, and actually Mike
06:39on Twitter, I think has a really, really good point, but I would just make it in a different
06:44way. He said, I like Ty Simpson in the context of the law of probability. This of course has
06:48nothing to do with Ty Simpson. If you land on tails for 27 years, heads is overdue. I
06:54actually look at Ty Simpson through the lens of probability. It's also not true. Yeah.
06:58The coin flip, every time you flip, it gives you the same percentage odds, but I look at it
07:02from the probability of odds reset given that of the quarterbacks that we know of in the last
07:07decade that have had 20, uh, 20 or less starts. The best thing you got is Mac Jones or Kyler
07:13Murray. I'm not going, well, all those other guys really stunk. And these guys were just
07:19acceptable. So now we're due. I'm looking at it and saying that thing cannot be, that lack
07:25of experience cannot be ignored. And that's why it's just impossible to see the Browns actually,
07:31again, the most, one of the most analytically inclined organizations ignoring that mountain of
07:36data. I agree with that. Uh, but I do find it interesting now that again, even if we take six
07:40off the table, then if Olofsky thinks he's quarterback one in this draft, then him being
07:44gone by the time you get to 24 or him being someone that people think would be good value
07:48at 24 does exist. No, a hundred percent. And, and I think what's interesting about what you
07:53just said is we we're now going to get into the uncomfortable conversation that we've had
07:58a million times, which is if you're good enough to be drafted at 15, you're good enough to be
08:04drafted at six. I think so. Because I think that's a cliche quarterback. Well, I, yeah,
08:10there are some people that disagree with that because they, they have their tears and they're
08:13like, well, at six, you have to be this. And at 15, you get to be a slightly worse. And
08:17they go
08:17down the line, which I think is hogwash. I've always thought it's hogwash. I've never bought
08:20into it. You've heard me scream for how long about how ridiculous I think that concept is.
08:24I agree with the sentiment that you're putting out there. If you like them at, at 15, uh, and you
08:28can get them at six, go ahead and do it. But I, but at like 24, and if you have
08:32two picks in this
08:33first round and the way that this team looks at value, it wouldn't shock me if all of a sudden
08:37they're, they're looking around at 24. And if they like Ty Simpson, they do pull the trigger.
08:41It's not what I think is going to happen. It's not what I would bet on happen, but, uh, the
08:45way
08:45they treat value in that, in that facility is a little bit different. So this is where we have
08:50to distinguish clearly the difference between what I would do and what the Browns might do.
08:54Yes. Um, I would not take Ty Simpson this year. And, and a lot of it is, he just doesn't
09:00have enough experience in college. I know he got a lot of good feedback that he's going
09:04to be drafted high. And that's why he came out. I wish he would have focused on the same
09:08thing Dante more focused on, which is, I don't just want to get drafted high. I want to play
09:12in the NFL for 15 years and make $500 million, right? He didn't. So he's in this draft. And
09:19as long as the Browns don't have another quarterback in that room, there's a, a probability or I'm
09:24sorry, possibility that he could be a Cleveland Brown. So that's what I would not, but I understand
09:32that everyone's talking about the Browns want to trade down so that Monroe Freeling is in
09:38as much of a reach. You can use that exact same principle to trade down to the middle
09:43T, you know, the teens, the 12, 13, 14, 15 in the NFL draft for Ty Simpson. And so I
09:51think
09:51if we're talking about reaching on Monroe Freeling in a trade down, but he got that extra asset,
09:57I think the Browns could be thinking the same thing about Ty Simpson. If they really love
10:00him the way certain people love him, like Dan Orlovsky.
10:05Well, like Louis Riddick today, he had in response to Orlovsky said, there's a reason
10:08why Ty Simpson decided to clear for the draft months ago and not go back to college. He
10:11knows that NFL teams liked what he put on tape in 2025. It's not new. Like clearly he believes
10:17that there's enough interest in enough teams out there. I tend to think it comes more
10:21from the teams like the Steelers that are going to have Aaron Rogers for one more year
10:24and Ty Simpson can just kind of sit in back of that. And it can be a succession plan.
10:28Those type of teams make way more sense to me than what Ty Simpson is looking at with the
10:31Browns. So here's the thing. What you just said is based on logic. The NFL, when it comes
10:37to quarterback is not always based on logic. They get drunk. They get drunk on it. I get it.
10:41And that's why, that's why we have to have these convos though. That's why they're like the
10:44idea that although we don't think it's going to happen, the Browns are a wild card of sorts
10:49and NFL teams are wild cards, especially when it comes to quarterbacks.
10:52Let's do it.
10:52So that's fine.
10:52This things seems to happen during the time of the next couple of weeks.
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