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00:00I do want to get to this Jarvis Landry stuff because I just don't understand what Jarvis is doing.
00:04Jarvis has a podcast now.
00:05I'm sure you do.
00:06Well, he's just trying to get clicks?
00:07He's throwing Kevin under the bus.
00:08That's what he's doing.
00:09So this is courtesy of, what, 4th and South.
00:13It's his podcast.
00:14With Leonard Fournette.
00:15Yeah, it's Jarvis and Leonard.
00:18Listen to what he had to say, and then tell me if he thinks this is right.
00:21So you're telling me that record, he deserves two-time coach of the year?
00:26Maybe he got it because he was coaching the Cleveland Browns.
00:30First year he came in.
00:30Yeah.
00:31We made some noise.
00:32Yeah.
00:33Obviously, the years before, we hadn't had no success.
00:35So I do think it was fitting and well-deserved.
00:38I know when I was there for 100% fact, when we were struggling as an offense,
00:43I know Kevin Stefanski himself gave up play calling to AVP.
00:47The same thing that he's done that we have guys that have told us that he's done throughout the years
00:52of not being able to get it done as a play caller and then putting it off on somebody else.
00:56Then the team gets success, and then he takes over play calling again.
01:00I don't know how much history he's going to have as a head coach, but again, with this record,
01:05the only thing he really got going for him is those two-time coach of the year.
01:12The end of that I think is interesting.
01:14He's saying the only thing he's got going for him is the two-time coach of the year.
01:17He said, now, Daryl Ryder argued the fact, and I just can't remember, that he handed AVP over the play
01:26calling duties,
01:26but I was listening to what Daryl had to say, and Daryl was like, I don't remember that happening,
01:30that Kevin said he was still calling the plays.
01:34Part of this is just like, okay, first of all, Jarvis is doing this, I'm assuming, because of his podcast.
01:42I don't recall, perhaps I'm wrong, I don't recall him ever giving play calling duties to Alex Van Pelt.
01:49Yeah, that's what Daryl said today, too.
01:51Yeah, he did to Ken Dorsey, and he did to Tommy Reese.
01:54Right.
01:54Yeah.
01:55But if Jarvis said it, doesn't that probably mean it's true?
01:59I mean, he was there.
02:00He was catching passes.
02:04Maybe.
02:06Maybe.
02:06Maybe.
02:08Unless he's wearing a headset during the game, I don't know if he knows who's actually calling the play.
02:14I mean, he could ask the quarterback.
02:16Good.
02:18I just don't, I understand Jarvis needs to get folks to listen to his podcast.
02:22I understand that.
02:24I just don't understand, this is now twice, though, right?
02:26He said something last week, too, on his first podcast about Kevin.
02:31Like, isn't there anything else to talk about on his podcast?
02:33Like, I think about, this is bothering me because I really, really liked Jarvis when he played here.
02:38I thought he was just.
02:39Jarvis did a nice job here.
02:41You know, I was a huge fan.
02:41And he was a huge fan.
02:42And he was a good guy here.
02:43Until the end, when he didn't want to talk to the media.
02:46Remember, I don't know if you remember, he just kind of shut down the media in the end.
02:49He quit talking to us.
02:50Well, he shut down his game, too.
02:52Well, that's true, too.
02:53When you go back and think about the fact, the first year he was here, he had, what, four touchdowns.
02:57Second year, he had six.
03:00Third year, he had three.
03:01And then, in 2021, in 12 games, he had two touchdowns.
03:07Unfortunately, for Jarvis, you know, his career ended, he was 30.
03:11Yeah.
03:11You know, one last go-around with the Saints, and that was it.
03:16Probably ended earlier than he wanted it to.
03:18Earlier than I thought it would.
03:20But that happens sometimes.
03:25He said what he said.
03:27Kevin, to me, Andy, is a very easy target for guys.
03:31He's a nice guy.
03:33And when's the last time you heard Kevin say anything bad about somebody?
03:37He won't.
03:38He just doesn't say anything.
03:39It makes him a very easy target.
03:41He doesn't say anything, though.
03:43Like, but I think he's generic enough that he doesn't say anything about anybody, no matter who they are.
03:50All I know is.
03:50I mean, I remember him saying good things about Miles, and, you know, when there's a good play, he'll say
03:54there's a good player.
03:55He'll say, well, we've got to work through this, or we've got to do that, or do this.
03:59And as a team, everything is team, team, team, team, team.
04:01And I think you last a lot longer if you live that rule.
04:05I don't know how a guy who has been the most successful coach since this team has returned to the
04:12NFL has caught as much grief as he has.
04:17To me, that's interesting.
04:19I don't quite get it.
04:21Has the bar been raised?
04:22I don't quite agree with it.
04:28We haven't seen the playoffs around here very much.
04:30He was here when they did twice.
04:33And he's got to win.
04:35Well.
04:35No, he doesn't.
04:36Andy, he was the head coach of the football team.
04:38Yeah, he does.
04:38A lot of weird things happen in COVID.
04:40We're going to throw it all out?
04:41No.
04:42He won the football game.
04:44He was the head coach of the team.
04:45I don't care if he was in the basement.
04:47It was his team.
04:48He put it together.
04:49That doesn't mean a hill of beans because he got fired here.
04:52Last two years weren't very good.
04:55Roster wasn't very good.
04:57I think Kevin coached what he was given.
05:00And I don't think he was given very much.
05:02So do you think what Jarvis said was fair?
05:05On what?
05:06In what aspect?
05:07It's the end of it.
05:08I don't know.
05:09How long is that cut?
05:09I don't think it's that long.
05:10Let's play it one more time.
05:11It's the end of the cut that kind of bothers me.
05:14Where he's kind of like saying, yeah,
05:15I mean, he got his two coach of the years.
05:17That's all he did.
05:18Yeah, well, Jarvis has been in other places where he's had success.
05:22Sorry, we haven't had much here.
05:24Kevin's going to go to Atlanta.
05:25We'll see what he does.
05:26I wish him well, and I hope he does a great job.
05:28If he doesn't, there will be justification.
05:30Just pay attention to the back end here if you can.
05:32Here we go.
05:33So you're telling me that record, he deserves two-time coach of the year?
05:37Maybe he got it because he was coaching the Cleveland Browns.
05:41First year, he came in.
05:42Yeah.
05:42We made some noise.
05:44Yeah.
05:44Obviously, the years before, we hadn't had no success.
05:47So I do think it was fitting and well-deserved.
05:50I know when I was there for 100% fact, when we were struggling as an offense,
05:54I know Kevin Stefanski himself gave up play calling to AVP.
05:58The same thing that he's done that we have guys that have told us that he's done
06:02throughout the years of not being able to get it done as a play caller
06:06and then putting it off on somebody else, then the team gets success,
06:09and then he takes over play calling again.
06:11I don't know how much history he's going to have as a head coach,
06:14but again, with this record, the only thing he really got going for him
06:18is those two-time coach of the year.
06:22Leonard Fournette was the other guy on that.
06:24It's audio courtesy of Fourth and South, the podcast.
06:27I don't know how a guy gets bashed for winning coach of the year twice.
06:33It's stunning to me.
06:35The guy won coach of the year twice, took him to the playoffs twice,
06:37and people bash his good seasons.
06:40You want to bash him, bash him for three and five,
06:43but make sure you bash Andrew Barry in the process.
06:47Andrew put the team together that got three wins and five wins.
06:50I wonder how Kevin's going to do in Atlanta.
06:53I hope for his sake he does well, and I hope Andrew Barry does well here.
06:57I hope Todd Munkin does a great job.
06:59The bigger part of this that bothers me is that Jarvis is kind of –
07:03he was loved while he was here.
07:05Well, and he just made comments.
07:07He's not poo-pooing the city.
07:09He's just not giving Kevin a whole lot of credit for much of anything.
07:13That's a good point.
07:14I just don't – again, it's a podcast, so I'm just trying to –
07:18And again, did Kevin take back play calling after it got better?
07:21I don't recall it getting better and him taking it back.
07:26Now, when – after Ken Dorsey left, he did take it back for the next year.
07:34Right.
07:34But I don't think he ever went back and forth in the season.
07:38Could be wrong on that.
07:39So let me ask you this.
07:40Is Jarvis Landry right?
07:43Should Kevin be getting bashed right now?
07:45Should Kevin be getting bashed?
07:47And he's getting bashed for his good seasons.
07:49Jarvis Landry has a podcast out, 4th and South,
07:54and the last couple times they've done this with Leonard Fournette,
07:59between Jarvis and Leonard Fournette,
08:01somehow, someway, Kevin Stefanski's name keeps getting brought up on his show.
08:06And we just played that clip for you.
08:08We played it twice for you, as a matter of fact.
08:11And at the end, it kind of is like, well, you know,
08:14Kevin's got two Coach of the Years,
08:15and Fournette's questioning why he was Coach of the Year
08:18and, you know, who's calling the plays and what's going on.
08:21And, you know, there was a time when Jarvis was – said,
08:25hey, we don't need you on the Browns anymore.
08:27So that probably didn't help the situation either,
08:29if he's got any ill will or bitter feelings.
08:32I just – it seems weird that they'd – I mean, like, you're picking on Kevin now?
08:37Like, why didn't you do it when you were in New Orleans?
08:40Why didn't you do it right away?
08:42If you didn't think he was a good coach,
08:44why didn't you do it when he was here?
08:46Now, we know why, you know.
08:48Don't cause ill will and be a malcontent.
08:52That would be bad.
08:53And that was not what Jarvis was when he was here.
08:55Jarvis was top notch.
08:57Do you think he kind of got baited into some of the stuff he was saying?
09:00No.
09:00No, Andy, he's a grown man.
09:02He knows what he was saying.
09:06Kevin's an easy target.
09:07What was your take on this?
09:10So we have had coaches, former coaches, Super Bowl winning coaches, current coaches.
09:18We've had GMs on this show at one point or another.
09:21And all of them come back and say the same exact thing to us.
09:24Every time we ask about play calling, which is – that's one of the most overrated things
09:29going on inside of a huddle, is who is calling the plays and why.
09:33Because all of that stuff is put together.
09:35It's pre-programmed.
09:36It's all of that stuff.
09:37And as Jeff Phelps has said oh so well, and I will give him all the credit in the world,
09:41you could run the crummiest play on the face of this earth with the best players,
09:44and the play will run for 10 yards.
09:46Correct.
09:46It's true.
09:47So, I don't know what Jarvis is getting at here.
09:50I don't know what his end goal is.
09:51I don't know if it's sour grapes.
09:53I don't know if it's just a guy who's sitting back with a podcast and going,
09:57all right, let me tell my story as to why I'm no longer sitting in the league the way
10:00that I should be right now.
10:01Maybe he's just talking, Dan.
10:03Right.
10:04Maybe he's just talking.
10:05Maybe he's just shooting the breeze.
10:06It wouldn't shock me for a second if we found out that other teams did the same exact thing
10:11where they would give up play calling to somebody else and just not say anything
10:14and have it be no big deal because success is happening, so who cares?
10:18We all win with success.
10:19We all lose with failure.
10:22I mean, we've heard that from more coaches than we could talk about.
10:24This is one of those, and I know this is one we'll get back.
10:27People say, oh, yeah, yeah, the media.
10:29The media is always asking about this.
10:31I will speak for the three of us.
10:32The three of us have never cared who's called the place.
10:34I think it's the most overrated thing ever.
10:37You know, because we sit here, and let's be honest.
10:40If you're in the middle of a game and you're a head coach and you're on the field
10:43and let's just say it's, I don't know, third down and 10,
10:49and you're saying to yourself, you know what, maybe this is the one time we run the ball.
10:53Maybe, you know, Quinchon could be, I feel good about Quinchon.
10:57The line's doing this.
10:58I think we're going to run this.
10:59And then you've got another guy in your ear who's also on the offensive staff
11:03and says, hey, coach, when the ball's on the 40-yard line
11:06and we have this opportunity and we've had this opportunity plenty of times before
11:09and I'm looking at their defensive stats, we might be better off trying to run,
11:14you know, a post pattern here.
11:16And it's up to the coach at that point to go, you know what, maybe you're right.
11:19Maybe we should run the post pattern instead of running the ball here.
11:22Okay.
11:23All right, let's do that.
11:23Wouldn't you think?
11:24It should be group effort.
11:25I don't know how it could be.
11:26But wouldn't you think most everything in, I mean, look at how many people you have.
11:29Wouldn't you think it's collaborative?
11:30I mean, you have all those coaches for a reason.
11:33Yeah, but it's limited collaborative because the head coach knows
11:35they're ultimately going to take responsibility for the play,
11:38whether they called it or not.
11:40And they've got to know who they can trust in their ear to say,
11:43coach, hey, I just want to throw this at you.
11:46I think that on this play that we've run before in this situation
11:50might be a little bit better.
11:51So, therefore, who's calling the plays?
11:54And especially this head coach.
11:56Yeah.
11:56Who's going to take the heat for everybody at any point at any time?
11:59Hell, I'm pretty sure he would take calls here at the station
12:03and take heat for the three of us saying dumb things.
12:05I mean, that's just how Kevin Stefanski is.
12:07Right.
12:09So, that's the other side of this.
12:12I don't know.
12:12Was he doing it?
12:13Was somebody else taking over the play call?
12:15Sure.
12:15I wouldn't be shocked.
12:17And I don't think it's a big deal.
12:18And we know he gave it up twice.
12:20Right.
12:21He gave it up to Ken Dorsey and he gave it up to Tommy Reese.
12:25The other part is to...
12:26Did he give it up to Alex Van Pelt?
12:28Jarvis would know more than we would.
12:29But that was never made public.
12:31Gentlemen, if this was a big deal in that locker room,
12:35what do we know about football locker rooms?
12:36When people are mad, they talk.
12:38When people are grumpy, they talk.
12:40And the fact that this never found its way out anywhere either
12:43is also skeptical to me.
12:44Yeah.
12:45Because you'd think Odell Beckham Jr. would be grumpy
12:47over what was taking place and he'd blowtorch the whole organization.
12:50You'd think somebody else who walked out the door
12:52and thought they got the short end of the stick
12:53would be going, forget this noise.
12:55You think Baker would hold back?
12:57Exactly.
12:58And I'm not saying Jarvis is a liar.
12:59I'm saying I don't think this is as big of a deal as we want it to be.
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