00:00Daryl was co-hosting today, and one, got a great compliment from Ken.
00:06We did.
00:07We're building bridges here, mending friendships that you're going to hear at the beginning of this clip.
00:12And then Daryl got into the Browns' offense and what he thinks it lacks.
00:17I love Nick.
00:19I love Jonathan.
00:20I mean that sincerely.
00:21Thank you, buddy.
00:22Words get away from us at times.
00:24We believe you.
00:24Spiritedness gets away from us.
00:25Time to make a point.
00:26What I disagree with the most, Daryl, is Nick thinks there's talent outside the quarterback room.
00:31I do not.
00:32I think that they're so devoid of talent on that side of the ball, it boggles my mind.
00:37And I think Andrew Barry has a higher opinion of the players that he brought in on that side of
00:42the ball than the rest of the National Football League does.
00:45To me, this is the pinnacle of overreaction and doom and gloom that I do think I've been pushing back
00:54at all offseason long.
00:56And I don't think you're here.
00:57So you're not the person doing it.
01:00But I just hear so many people act like this team is 10 years away.
01:05Guys, if they're 10 years away, they've completely butchered from where they are now.
01:08This is not 2016 or 2017 where they were three full drafts away or one elite draft away and a
01:18couple ridiculous offseasons of spending away.
01:22Like, Harold Fannin Jr. is a real NFL player.
01:25Guys, I know Jerry Judy was bad last year.
01:28I know the drops are real.
01:29Two years ago, he was a 1,000-yard receiver.
01:32So I'm not expecting him to be that again.
01:34I'm also expecting him to be better than he was last year.
01:37Daryl said they're so devoid of talent, it boggles his mind.
01:41Did people not hear the hyperbole?
01:43I know.
01:43I speak in hyperbole.
01:45All right?
01:46But, like, Ken agreeing with him even.
01:48Well, Ken kind of set him up and then Daryl just kind of kept going with it.
01:51I think both of them think that there's no talent on this offense.
01:54But even to the offensive line, like, Elton Jenkins is a two-time pro-bouder.
01:58I don't know what to make of the offensive line.
01:59Titus Howard.
01:59Yeah, I don't know.
02:00Well, okay, but I think my point is I'm not saying that the offensive line is great or that I
02:04expect them to be great.
02:05You don't need them to be great.
02:08Last year, they were.
02:09If we want to talk about who was on the field last year, that was devoid of talent and production.
02:16So, even if they had talent, they weren't producing outside of Harold Fannin Jr., about six games from Quinchon before
02:22the offensive line completely deuced the bed.
02:25And then, like, the offensive line was hurt and they were screwing around with it.
02:30And KT Leveston was your starting right tackle or left tackle, depending on whatever week.
02:35And Joku was just not very useful last year.
02:39Like, I understand the point about where they were, but they are building, like, the idea of devoid of talent,
02:46that is, there are real NFL players in that locker room.
02:49No, they have talent, but I do agree with the idea that they are far and away, like, there's a
02:55while to go before it's them and some of the teams we think about being competitive in the NFL.
03:00What do you mean, offensively?
03:01On the offensive side of the ball, yeah, yeah.
03:04They were so bad last year, it does not take much.
03:07If you have a consistent offensive line in a run game, you've got a chance in the NFL to score
03:12some points.
03:12No, I'm just saying, as of right now.
03:13Like, right now, the reason why they can be 31st in some of these projections and some of these rankings
03:17isn't because of the defense.
03:18It's because of what they think this offense is.
03:20Yeah, and people aren't paying a lot, in fairness, people outside of Cleveland are not paying a lot of attention
03:25to what the Browns are doing.
03:27And even then, they don't respect the Browns because they fired their whoobie, Kevin Stefanski.
03:31Well, but they also haven't given them much reason to pay attention to the offense right now either.
03:35Like, I like Judkins, I like Fannin.
03:39Outside of that, you're betting on a lot with Jerry Judy.
03:42I don't know if that's going to work.
03:43What do you mean betting a lot?
03:44I'm betting for him to be better than 400 yards last year.
03:47And I'm not even saying 1,000 yards.
03:49No, but is he going to be a number one this year?
03:52No, that's not the point.
03:55Like, I don't expect him to be a number one.
03:57Do I think Jerry Judy can convincingly play the number two receiver in an offense?
04:02Yes, he was a 1,000-yard receiver two years ago.
04:04Okay, but then who's your one?
04:05Because maybe it comes in the draft, but right now we don't have one then.
04:07Well, yeah, but isn't that part of this that we're expecting them to add talent in the draft?
04:12And the idea of sitting here going, they're just devoid of talent.
04:15Well, maybe that's where the convo kind of is playing a couple notes at the same time.
04:20It's like, as of right now, you can make an argument.
04:22I wouldn't say devoid of talent.
04:23They got more talent than that.
04:25But you can make an argument, as of right now, if you look on the depth chart,
04:27their offense isn't particularly impressive.
04:29Now, are they going to add?
04:30That's kind of what we're waiting on.
04:31And yes, everybody adds through the draft.
04:33We're supposed to have 13 receivers taken in the first two rounds.
04:36So every team's going to add receivers.
04:38Are we adding someone at number six overall?
04:40Are we adding someone at 39 overall?
04:42I just think putting, okay, let's actually go back to last year.
04:47Guys, talent wasn't the only problem.
04:50You had NFL pass-catching talent.
04:53David Njoku is as inconsistent as he was, and he was banged up too.
04:58David Njoku is a serious NFL player.
05:01Quinjon Judkins is a serious NFL running back.
05:04Jerry Judy is a serious NFL player.
05:08He even did have a couple names in the offensive line,
05:11even though they got jerked around or got hurt or whatever.
05:13But, like, scheme was a massive problem last year.
05:17And then you talk about, like, we even talked about it with Joe Flacco.
05:22He wouldn't let Joe Flacco throw beyond the first down sticks.
05:25Right, right.
05:26All right?
05:27And then clearly he imploded under the constraints that Kevin Stefanski put forth.
05:32I don't think that's why Dylan Gabriel stunk last year,
05:35but I don't think it helped.
05:36And even Shador, I think, at points, like, he made a lot of plays.
05:41He also made a lot of negative plays.
05:43That makes sense, by the way.
05:44Him and Dylan were rookies.
05:46There's a grace period there.
05:48But, like, I think the scheme was trashed last year.
05:50I think that's what got Kevin fired.
05:53Kevin went to go back to his old offense and realized he couldn't.
05:56He had lost his magic.
05:58So, I think we're sleeping on the fact that Kevin was completely lost in the sauce
06:02schematically last year.
06:03I do think we're lost in the sauce that, like, you can't judge last year's
06:07offensive line versus this year because the number one thing that they didn't have
06:11last year was continuity and health, which is clearly something that they looked
06:15for this year.
06:16I just, listen, I'm not trying to paint them to be a great offense,
06:20but to say devoid of talent, I just, I think Daryl and Ken are two smart, I think right
06:28now the stock is down, perception's down, I think they're reacting a little bit in the
06:33moment, and I think it's incredibly hyperbolic.
06:37I do.
06:38And, again, I don't like to use these words.
06:41I think the devoid of talent line is a bit much.
06:43There's obviously some talent on this team.
06:44It's just if we want to debate how much talent, that might be a different story.
06:47Well, but I think, I think, like, you have a couple building blocks, and you need a
06:52couple more, and honestly, if you get those couple more, you're still probably lucky to
06:57be, like, league average, right?
07:00But devoid of talent is, like, devoid of talent really is, like, Josh McCowns, your
07:05starting quarterback, Isaiah Crowells, your starting running back.
07:08Oh, gosh, I can't remember who the damn wide receivers were those years.
07:12And every team has some piece on the offense somewhere, you know what I mean?
07:15Like, it's hard to find an NFL team that has nobody, and it is completely devoid of
07:20talent.
07:20Even the worst team, whatever team you think, probably the Dolphins, I'd say, for a lot
07:24of people, all right, A-chan, point it out right there.
07:26Like, there's talent on every NFL team.
07:28That's reality.
07:29Yeah, there are, but I think, like, and the Browns have added to it.
07:33And I just, I continue to hear in the analysis of the Browns not getting any credit for the
07:39offensive line.
07:40If you don't think these guys are going to be great, I think that's a fair conversation.
07:43Titus Howard, I think, is an average NFL player.
07:47Oh, gosh.
07:47Now, Tevin Jenkins, I think when he's healthy, is a good-ish NFL guard.
07:52I think Zion Johnson is a good-ish NFL guard.
07:55I think Elton Jenkins is a good-ish offensive lineman.
07:58I actually think DeJuan is better than people think he is, but I understand he can't stay
08:02healthy.
08:03Right.
08:03Like, that, in and of itself, that's five, I actually think Luke Whipler was okay last
08:10year.
08:11I wouldn't say he's great, but he was okay.
08:12That's the thing, though, is that the only changes they've really made is there.
08:15That's the only thing we can really point to and discuss.
08:17And I think that's a huge, if you had had an offensive line last year, you would have
08:21been at least able to have something to build off of.
08:23Yes, offensive line being healthy and being good is always going to make your team better.
08:28But, like, if you look at the other pieces around, if you didn't think the offense was
08:31any good outside of the offensive line, separate that for a second, you're probably
08:35not going to think this one is very good.
08:36The additions is what, Tylan Wallace and Jack Stoll, that's what you have.
08:40And Jack Stoll gets added to a room where you have five deep, as far as tight ends are
08:45concerned right now, to begin with anyway.
08:46And outside of Harold Fannin Jr., I wouldn't bet on any of them.
08:49Like, if you didn't believe in last year's offense, it's not crazy to not believe in this
08:54year's offense right now, either.
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