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00:00Jarvis Landry's talking again on the 4th and South podcast.
00:04We played a little bit of his podcast last week over something he had to say about Kevin Stefanski.
00:11Apparently he's saying more about Kevin Stefanski and his former offensive coordinator, Alex Van Pelt,
00:17who he says Valden Pelt took over play caller.
00:21So you're telling me that record, he deserves two-time coach of the year?
00:26Maybe he got it because he was coaching the Cleveland Browns.
00:30First year he came in, we made some noise.
00:33Obviously the years before we hadn't had no success.
00:36So I do think it was fitting and well-deserved.
00:39I know when I was there for 100% fact, when we were struggling as an offense,
00:43I know Kevin Stefanski himself gave up play calling to AVP.
00:47The same thing that he's done that we have guys that have told us that he's done throughout the years
00:52of not being able to get it done as a play caller and then putting it off on somebody else.
00:57Then the team gets success and then he takes over play calling again.
01:00I don't know how much history he's going to have as a head coach.
01:03But again, with this record, only thing he really got going for him is those two-time coach of the
01:09year.
01:11I love that.
01:12Audio courtesy of 4th and South.
01:14That might be my favorite dig ever at somebody.
01:17Well, the only thing that's going for him is the coach of the year, the two times he won it.
01:21As if it's just written on Wikipedia and that's it.
01:25Like there weren't any seasons, there weren't any games.
01:27It's like, oh, these two notes we're going to add as an addendum on the biography.
01:33Yeah, they were earned.
01:35They were amazing, amazing years for the second team had no business doing what they did.
01:40And that first year was just a well-coached team.
01:44They were better coached.
01:46They handled themselves better considering all the different things that were flying around.
01:51NFL, a bunch of coaches couldn't handle it.
01:53They were.
01:54And those two seasons happened.
01:56Kevin Zvansky also had some really bad seasons as well.
01:59It's definitely mixed nuts.
02:01But I love that.
02:03Like when we just throw in at the end.
02:05Well, you know, yeah.
02:06Yeah, you had those two coach of the years.
02:07That's all.
02:09Okay.
02:09Those were also full seasons that were pretty good.
02:12Like I don't understand how that is some gigantic dig.
02:16Like we're acting like those didn't happen.
02:18And I've heard plenty of hosts bring that up too.
02:20Like, oh, you guys want to mention the coach of the years.
02:23Yes, because those were full seasons of which the Browns, one of which operated way above
02:29what anybody thought they would do that year with a bunch of guys that weren't on the team
02:33at the start of the year.
02:33So you've been champing at the bit to talk about Jarvis Landry.
02:35Do you have a problem with what Jarvis Landry is saying?
02:37I'm so curious.
02:38I want to know.
02:39This is the first I've ever heard.
02:40Did he, is this all they talk about on the podcast is Kevin Stefanski?
02:44Well, because they're the only clips that are getting any run.
02:46Owen just told me during the, during the one clip.
02:48Cause I was like, is this different?
02:49Is it in Owen says they only have how many episodes?
02:52I think this is their third or fourth episode.
02:54And the one where he's wearing the Jerry Rice Jersey was a second episode.
02:58And the only clips I have seen get any run whatsoever are these digs at Kevin Stefanski.
03:03And I'm like, I don't know.
03:04I don't know if this podcast is going to last if that's all they talk about.
03:07There's a lot of apparently.
03:09Well, it's a lot of Atlanta Falcons stuff too.
03:12So that's why the Stefanski thing keeps coming up.
03:14Cause I've just searched them.
03:17Right.
03:17This failed head coach got hired in record time.
03:20That's your words, not mine.
03:23Do you think you just said he's two-time coach of the year.
03:25He's a failed coach.
03:26No, I just, I laugh.
03:27I think I'm being sarcastic about the failed part.
03:29Yeah.
03:30Because they're making it seem like he's the worst coach in NFL history.
03:32And it's like, or another team picked him up as soon as possible.
03:36Is Jarvis saying that, is Jarvis saying that Kevin threw Alex under the bus?
03:42Well, I think what he's trying to allude to is that anytime it gets tough, Kevin just goes, here, you
03:47deal with it.
03:48Okay.
03:48He doesn't, because that's a, that's apparently what happened.
03:52Um, you know, we don't know the, the ins and outs.
03:55Now we never knew, they never came out and said specifically that Van Pelt took over the play calling, but
04:01when Dorsey took over the play calling, that was a, that was a known thing.
04:04Well known thing.
04:05Yeah.
04:06And I think, is that, I mean, Jarvis Landry, we played the audio from last week when Jarvis Landry was
04:11talking about the relationships with players or lack thereof with Kevin.
04:14And I had to agree with Jarvis Landry, I said, you know, this is one of the things that he
04:18has to change about himself is that it's, it's not about being cuddly and being buddy, buddy, but there is
04:24a relationship there with players now.
04:27And they look for that motivation.
04:28If it's not just going to be all about money and doing it, they have to look for that extra
04:31spot.
04:32And I think that there's other coaches that are, that are able to do it.
04:35You know, when Quincy Williams brings up Mike Rutenberg, there's that type of relationship that they have.
04:40Who does Kevin really have that relationship with?
04:43I can't name money, buddy off the top of my head.
04:45So it's just off the top of my head.
04:47Maybe he does with some people.
04:48I'm sure he does with some people, but when Jarvis Landry brings this up and says, well, he, he, he
04:53gave up play call.
04:54I didn't know he gave up play calling during that year.
04:56Did you know he gave up play calling during that season to Alex Van Pelt?
05:00No, not that year.
05:02I think we've pretty famous other examples.
05:04Well, he's had other situations where he let Alex call plays like in preseason and stuff like that.
05:10Um, to me, I don't, you know, me, I'm the wrong person to bring this up as some huge gotcha
05:16or whatever,
05:16because what do I say about play calling all the time?
05:19It's something fans overrate more than anybody.
05:21Kevin's admitted that Kevin came on the radio with us and agreed how overrated the talk of who calls the
05:27plays is.
05:27It's what you work on all week that matters.
05:30But I'm taking it as Jarvis is saying, this is pretty duplicitous by him where he, he knows who's calling
05:35play.
05:36So who gets the, who gets the credit for calling the play?
05:38So I love that it's duplicitous.
05:40And yet where is Van Pelt going to be working this year?
05:43Working in Atlanta with the Falcons.
05:46Oh, he went and worked with the duplicitous head coach that apparently threw him under the bus with the play
05:50calling.
05:51That's why I'm so confused about this.
05:53These guys hate that Kevin Stefanski has a good reputation around the league and that people do like, there are
06:00people that like working with him.
06:01Not that everybody does.
06:02That doesn't have to be the case, obviously.
06:04Well, it seems that every coach likes working with him, but players don't seem to.
06:07And Jarvis Landry just got done being a player.
06:08Well, and there are plenty of players, coaches that fail miserably.
06:12And Todd Munkin might get along with everybody.
06:14Although I don't think, by the way, Todd Munkin won't either.
06:17He's a guy that'll throw guys under the bus publicly.
06:19Like Todd Munkin, after some losses, will say that his players did boneheaded things.
06:24Kevin wouldn't do that.
06:25And we will sit here and say, all right, I like that.
06:28There are things I like about that.
06:29There are times when I think there are certain players you can publicly out to try to make them better
06:35or to try to get their head in the game.
06:37Some players, we talk about this all the time, there's a push and pull of knowing which players you can
06:43coach that way and which ones you can't.
06:45Because it's not equal for all of those guys.
06:49It can't be the same.
06:50So why did it work?
06:51But I'm laughing because we're going to act like it never worked with Kevin.
06:54Kevin's ways did work at times.
06:56He did coach good teams.
06:59He did have good seasons.
07:01And to act like it was all bad now, and it's total revisionist history now, is why I think these
07:07gotcha moments come off kind of silly, especially Jarvis Landry, whose best season was with Kevin.
07:13His best team season was with Kevin Stefanski.
07:16The most wins Jarvis Landry ever had was with Kevin Stefanski.
07:20Well, I was going to say, because his best personal season was in 2019 with Freddie, of all people.
07:24Yeah, but he did lose a lot of games that year.
07:26Yes, he did.
07:27If that's what he's mad about, that he wishes he would have more individual seasons, but on losing teams, well,
07:34then I guess Kevin wasn't your guy.
07:35But if you want to have good team seasons, Jarvis, you had nobody better than Kevin Stefanski.
07:41And where are the good conversations there?
07:45Was it all just bad?
07:46But what his problem is, is that if this happened, he didn't tell anybody.
07:50I think he wanted people to tell it to him.
07:54It sounds as if Kevin was covering up somebody else calling plays and him taking the credit for it in
07:59one of his years where he was made coach of the year.
08:01Am I wrong about that?
08:02Is that what Jarvis' problem is?
08:04I think that that's correct.
08:05Does he think it should say when a coach wins coach of the year, there should be an asterisk by,
08:11but he didn't call all the plays from start to finish.
08:14Or he didn't tell people who called the play.
08:17No, that's not how coach of the year works.
08:19But you should also.
08:20I don't know if we have enough notation space available, Jarvis.
08:24The head coach of the football team gets coach of the year because he was the head coach of the
08:27Browns.
08:28But I think what Jarvis is saying is that there should have been some transparency and other people should have
08:32known other than him and maybe some other people who was actually calling the plays.
08:36That's what I think Jarvis' problem is.
08:38That is what Jarvis' problem is.
08:39Did the players know?
08:40If he knew, then that means a lot of other players probably did.
08:42What's the big deal?
08:43If the players knew, what am I missing here?
08:47This seems like a big who cares after the fact.
08:49You're just mad another team paid him a lot of money to be that coach.
08:52Because to him, you're pushing the buck.
08:53What sounds like to me.
08:54By the way.
08:54To him, you're pushing the buck.
08:55A guy who coached you to have your best team season of your entire NFL career.
08:59Maybe if you would have had Kevin Stefanski more, maybe your teams would have won more Jarvis.
09:03I don't know.
09:03Well, he was only here until 2021.
09:05Okay.
09:06And then that was it.
09:07Maybe wishes Kevin would have been there in Miami.
09:09He would have been more successful.
09:09Well, I mean, can we call it what it is?
09:11I mean, I'm sure there is some bitterness here where Jarvis' last useful year was under Kevin Stefanski.
09:16They let him go going into 2022.
09:18He wasn't the same in New Orleans the next year, and now he's out of the league.
09:21Yeah, it was time to move on, obviously.
09:24All right.
09:24But we can just be honest here, Jarvis.
09:27Okay.
09:27It seems awfully personal.
09:29You're trying to make it seem like the guy was some terrible head coach his entire time in Cleveland.
09:33That wasn't the case.
09:36Jarvis Landry, fourth and south podcast.
09:38It was like his third podcast with Leonard Fournette.
09:42Third episode, I mean.
09:43Not like they've tried it a bunch of times and it failed.
09:47And last time they were out, I think second episode, he let it ride about Kevin Stefanski.
09:52Well, you were down in Dayton.
09:54And now this is your first chance to address any of this.
09:56And Jarvis Landry had this to say about Alex Van Pelt calling plays back in the day.
10:01So you're telling me that record, he deserves two-time coach of the year?
10:06Maybe he got it because he was coaching the Cleveland Browns.
10:10First year he came in.
10:11Yeah.
10:11We made some noise.
10:13Yeah.
10:13Obviously, the years before, we hadn't had no success.
10:16So I do think it was fitting and well-deserved.
10:19I know when I was there for 100% fact, when we were struggling as an offense, I know Kevin
10:24Stefanski himself gave up play calling to AVP.
10:27The same thing that he's done that we have guys that have told us that he's done throughout
10:31the years of not being able to get it done as a play caller and then putting it off on
10:36somebody else.
10:37Then the team gets success.
10:38And then he takes over play calling again.
10:40I don't know how much history he's going to have as a head coach.
10:43But again, with this record, the only thing he really got going for him is those two-time
10:48coach of the year.
10:51So that's Jarvis Landry with the 4th and South podcast just earlier this week.
10:57He's got another thing going for him too.
10:58What?
11:00That he has one of 32 head coaching jobs.
11:02That he found another team to hire him really quickly.
11:05That's going for him too.
11:07Another, what, $5 million a year?
11:09So this is my problem with it is I said last week that how am I supposed to, how am
11:18I supposed
11:19to be defensive of Kevin Stefanski when I was over the top about Cliff Kingsbury?
11:25You know what I mean?
11:27I'm not a former player.
11:28Okay.
11:29I didn't, I didn't play in the NFL.
11:30You know what I think?
11:31The whole city knows what I think about Cliff Kingsbury.
11:33I think that it's Peter principle.
11:36I just think he's got a good look about him and somehow he gets these jobs.
11:40He might be good at calling plays.
11:41I'm not sure.
11:42I have no idea, but I'm like, I don't understand how he's in conversation about being head coaches
11:47that he was able to fail upwards from college to the NFL.
11:51I don't understand any of that.
11:52So why, why does, why do I get to say that about Cliff Kingsbury and Jarvis Landry doesn't
11:57get to say that about Kevin Stefanski?
11:58I mean, there are, you're a coach.
12:00There are definitely going to be guys who don't like you.
12:02So I have to understand what Jarvis Landry is saying.
12:05And I have to respect what Jarvis Landry is saying.
12:06You're just saying that he's bitter because he ended his career and he might be to some
12:11degree.
12:12I'm sure he thinks that he could have contributed something forward, but this just coming out
12:17now.
12:17Why are you laughing?
12:18Why do you, what are you laughing about?
12:19It's just, it's just, he's the guy to cut them.
12:22And Jarvis has made his first three podcasts about Kevin Stefanski somehow.
12:25So I don't know about, I don't know if they're all about Kevin Stefanski.
12:28Maybe he gets brought up in conversation.
12:29These are the only ones that have seen the light of day or have, uh, have got anybody
12:34talking because it's so Cleveland or in Cleveland and Atlanta.
12:38I don't know if they're going the Kevin Stefanski chronicles on these podcasts.
12:42Then it's also just kind of caught.
12:43Well, maybe they're saying nothing else interesting.
12:45And so these are the only things that are, that people are gravitating to, but then the
12:48other, the other part of it is it's like, uh, Oh, it's, it's, it's, it was actually
12:53Van Pelt.
12:54He's responsible for all this.
12:55Well, then Atlanta fans should be thrilled that they're getting Van Pelt because that
12:59is a guy that's now on the staff with Kevin Stefanski.
13:02So if you're an Atlanta fan, you should feel good about that.
13:04All right.
13:042-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
13:06Does Jarvis Landry have a point or is Lima right?
13:08Is Jarvis just bitter?
13:10I have to, I have to say that I'm sure he's partly somewhat bitter.
13:13Jarvis, who was on mediocre to losing teams his whole career, but his best year was with
13:17Cleveland with 11 wins.
13:18When you remember Jarvis, he's saying that we're giving somebody the wrong person every week and
13:23was a great soundbite until the end.
13:25Right.
13:25And then he did not want to talk.
13:26No, he did not talk to anybody.
13:28He didn't talk to the media.
13:29He came out and did his required weekly thing.
13:32We didn't hear him after games anymore.
13:34It used to be a thing that that was the thing that endeared him to the city.
13:38So he wasn't happy with the way things were going.
13:40So he decided to stay quiet.
13:41And he's still not happy.
13:42Apparently.
13:43I just don't understand how you can't like, I like Kevin too, Anthony.
13:47Like, okay, but we have to, we do have to see somebody else's perspective, especially
13:52from a player's perspective.
13:53Well, it's not.
13:54Well, hold on a second.
13:54You're talking to a guy who wanted Kevin fired a year ago.
13:57So it's not like I'm sitting here at someone who just justifies all his failures.
14:02Kevin, it wore thin, you know, it was.
14:05And I think that that's where Jarvis Landry is coming from.
14:07Yeah.
14:08I don't disagree with him there, but Jarvis after the fact is trying to rewrite history
14:13as if Kevin had nothing to do with any of the success.
14:16And that's just silly.
14:17And, and by the way, the league doesn't think that way.
14:19The league, he was going to have, how many interviews did he have?
14:22How many interviews did Kevin?
14:23Well, he was going to go to the Giants until Harbaugh got fired.
14:26And then they took Harbaugh.
14:27But he had like, I think he had three interviews total.
14:31And who knows how many teams you and I have.
14:32Kevin was called a shot.
14:34Kevin didn't have to interview with the really bad.
14:35I think you're being a little hypocritical here.
14:37And the reason I say that is you and I have both acknowledged on this show that
14:42there are people in positions on coaching staffs that don't deserve to because it's
14:46the NFL and it's a bit of a closed society.
14:50So guys end up bumping up and getting jobs and getting to do things because they happen
14:54to be buddies with other guys.
14:56And we know that they're not very good at their damn jobs.
15:00Guys end up getting fired and having to cover up for it some way, somehow, because guys are
15:04buddies.
15:06I don't think that Alex Van Pelt's clearly not bitter.
15:08He wouldn't work for Kevin Spansky.
15:10So he's going to work for him again.
15:11I understand that.
15:11He doesn't seem to feel like he was thrown under the bus at all, Jarvis.
15:14I do want to hear the other side.
15:15He ran to him the first chance he got.
15:16I get it.
15:17But I want to understand some of the other sides to this before I go shooting my mouth
15:21off.
15:22Look, Kevin.
15:22Jarvis, who is a great football player for this team.
15:25And ironically enough, or oddly enough, because he's a great wasn't like he was putting up
15:33Hall of Fame numbers or anything.
15:35He's a good player.
15:36So he had nothing to do with any bit of the turnaround of this football team.
15:38No, I give it all to Alex Van Pelt.
15:39I give him all the credit, apparently.
15:47He was the secret formula.
15:50474-0090.
15:51Well, I don't know.
15:51Did Ken Dorsey do any better?
15:53Did Kevin do any better afterwards?
15:55But remember what we were told about.
15:56I'm sorry.
15:56Didn't this offense suck out loud over the last couple of years?
15:59Remember what we were essentially told behind the scenes about the Van Pelt departure, that
16:05that that was not a Kevin decision.
16:06I don't believe it was.
16:07That was above him.
16:09So understand that, too.
16:11And now Van Pelt's back with him.
16:12So does anybody want to throw shade at the current GM of the Cleveland Browns about that?
16:19Well, OK.
16:20Is that interesting to anybody?
16:22The guy that now everybody says was really the guy calling the expert plays like the GM made him go
16:28away.
16:28Are you guys cool with that GM still being here?
16:31But, Anthony, at the time, when they let go of Alex Van Pelt, there were a lot of people who
16:36said it doesn't matter that.
16:38And I know we are on the same page.
16:41A lot of guys call a lot of the same stuff, and it just matters if you got the horses
16:45or not, whether or not it works out.
16:47But you know it would go over a lot differently because when they fired Alex Van Pelt at the beginning,
16:52there were a lot of people going, well, he didn't call plays anyway, so what's the big deal?
16:55There were a lot of people who did that.
16:57If you knew that he called plays, as Jarvis Landry is saying, we would lose our mind.
17:03You're firing the offensive coordinator?
17:05Why are you firing the offensive coordinator?
17:06What bad did he do?
17:08This is after 2023, right?
17:10This is a playoff year.
17:11You let go of the offensive coordinator, and by and large, a lot of us were just like, well, what
17:16did he actually help with?
17:17We don't know.
17:18We're not in those meetings.
17:19I'm sure he helps, but he wasn't calling plays.
17:21So if he's not calling plays, people aren't going to make that big of a deal about it.
17:25The general fan who makes a big deal about play calling ain't going to make a big deal about that.
17:29I mean, how can you not see that?
17:30No, I do see that.
17:31I do.
17:32I'm just saying.
17:32Then why are you farting all over it as you are?
17:35I mean, you completely.
17:38Am I wrong here?
17:39Am I wrong to think that he's.
17:40I just, my, my, my bigger, my bigger point is like Jarvis Landry is trying to throw dirt on the
17:46entire era of Kevin Stefanski.
17:49And then adding at the end, oh, his two coach of the years.
17:52Yeah, those were good seasons.
17:54He deserved coach of the year.
17:56He earned coach of the year in those seasons, dealing with everything that we found out since that he was
18:01dealing with behind the scenes.
18:02Kevin also had bad years.
18:03It also got stale.
18:05I think Kevin need to reinvent himself a little bit.
18:07I actually think it might be a mistake that Kevin didn't take a year out of football, but you know,
18:11you can be gone and forgotten very quickly.
18:13The way this stuff works.
18:14I don't know that he's going to be successful in Atlanta, but he, why do I have any reason though?
18:20He is making it seem like Kevin had nothing to do with the successes of those teams and that's laughable.
18:25That was his impression of it.
18:26It's a, it's a very silly impression is what I'm saying.
18:28It probably isn't all the way accurate, but this, but again, surprise Atlanta didn't hire Alex Van Pelt and hire
18:34Jarvis Landry as a consultant.
18:36Just let me answer this question while you're being difficult about it.
18:39I, again, how am I being difficult?
18:41Did you, or did you not know that Kevin had some problems with some players on the team?
18:44Sure.
18:45Like, like a hundred percent of coaches.
18:46How is this?
18:47Like a hundred percent of coaches at every level of every sport.
18:49What kind of, what kind of groundbreaking theory was that?
18:52The successful ones is that you go against the players because they're usually malcontents.
18:56How many guys said playing for Bill Belichick was miserable and they hated life and they hated football, but then
19:01they get to trot around their, their Superbowl rink.
19:03Yeah, but we didn't.
19:04So, so, but that's what I'm saying.
19:05We won eight games in two years.
19:06I think that's what Jarvis Landry is pointing out.
19:08And during the years that he won coach of the year, they went to the playoffs with the Cleveland Browns.
19:12Do you guys understand?
19:13And he's giving somebody else credit for it.
19:15Yeah.
19:15Well, and he's not giving any to Kevin Stefanski because he was cut by him and he's being a bitter
19:19man.
19:20Okay.
19:20Jarvis, we all know what the score is here.
19:22You were cut by him.
19:24You're mad about it.
19:25You're mad.
19:25Things didn't work out with your buddy at the end.
19:28I just tough luck.
19:28Guess what?
19:29Kevin's coaching the NFL and you're doing podcasts about Kevin.
19:32So which one's more pathetic?
19:35What are you going to do on podcast number four?
19:38Uh, week five, that one year with Kevin, we got to go back and break down the film.
19:42Boy, we're dialed into this one.
19:43And I'm sure Leonard Fournette's glad he signed up for this.
19:47So when this gets played on their podcast later and he responds to it, Jarvis, just as a heads up,
19:53here's how you refer to our two hosts.
19:55The chubby guy on the right is just scared of the other guys keeping it a hundred percent real.
20:00That's why your head is covered.
20:01Your eyes are covered.
20:03You're just done with it.
20:04I'm having the fit over Jarvis Landry.
20:06I'm having the fit.
20:06As if there's never been Browns fans, Browns players who had a problem with Kevin.
20:11I don't, I don't get what you're saying.
20:14Or I don't know.
20:15I don't get why you're covering up so much.
20:18Plenty of guys don't like their head coach in the NFL.
20:20We can't tell the truth here.
20:21Especially when they get cut by him.
20:23That's a pretty humiliating experience.
20:25I'm sorry you went through that, Jarvis.
20:26It wasn't just Jarvis.
20:27I think you might be a little biased in this conversation.
20:29It wasn't just Jarvis.
20:30Sorry, Jarvis.
20:30We know how Miles acted.
20:31We know how Miles acted during the speech, during the win speech.
20:35And we also know that Wyatt wasn't the biggest fan in the world of what was going on between him
20:39and Tevin James.
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