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00:00On today's show, at 16 years of age, was it attraction, was it a father figure, was it just somebody
00:07who swept you off your feet?
00:08Did you ever stop and think, jeez, there's 39 years... You didn't. Do you love him anymore?
00:14No! You just divorced me!
00:15For what?
00:16I am not going to be sleeping with you, no more! I am not in love with you! I don't
00:20want you! You! You! You!
00:23He's 44. He's 26 years older than her. They don't know each other.
00:27She's 18.
00:28Yeah.
00:28What do you actually do?
00:29What do you know about me?
00:30You sit on your fat...
00:32Right, smoke weed and watch TV.
00:36Oh, my God, I haven't even done nothing and I'm part of your...
00:39You were kidding me.
00:41I'm not...
00:4124-7.
00:42He just does exactly what you say, doesn't he?
00:45I'm not. I can repeat that.
01:01Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. Good morning and as ever a big, big
01:08welcome to the show. Now, my first guest today, 21-year-old Kelly is here. Share this. To tell her
01:1360-year-old husband, Derek, she has had enough of his good news for the show.
01:16Controlling behaviour and today is ready to demand a divorce. Now, Kelly says the age difference between them is too
01:21much and he needs to accept. Starting today, their relationship is over. She claims that Derek even tried to strangle
01:28her recently and after that attack is desperate to have him out of her life for good. She says today
01:32is a massive day. Big welcome. Kelly is on the Jeremy Kyle Show. Give her a round of applause.
01:43I'm 21 and I'm ready to divorce my 60-year-old husband. People watch... Sit back and relax, my love.
01:49Most people watching this would go, that's an age gap.
01:52And, er...
01:54What age were you and Derek when you got together?
01:5816.
01:5916. Now, this audience and people at home would go, that is... that is huge. I mean, this guy was
02:0355 years of age and you must have taken a degree of criticism.
02:06What did people say? Family, people like that.
02:09Family.
02:10Basically, she wasn't happy with it. She phoned the police at one point and said that he kidnapped me against
02:18the will to help me against the will.
02:20What? Just help me out for people watching the Jeremy Kyle Show. At 16 years of age, serious question. Was
02:26it attraction? Was it a father figure? Was it just somebody who swept you off your feet? Did you ever
02:32stop and think, geez, there's 39 years...
02:34You didn't? No, I didn't.
02:36But that has come home to bite you on the backside with respect. Because the first thing you said to
02:41my team was, the age gap has really shown its true colours. What do you mean by that?
02:44Well, he's started getting grumpy. Like, really, really grumpy. He's always angry at all the time.
02:50You say that he's controlling, that actually what he wants to do and what you want to do are completely
02:54different things.
02:55Yeah. You turn round to my lot this morning and you say, you know, the fact is he's shown his
03:00true colours and he's turned into a bit of a bully and a bit of a control freak. What do
03:03you mean by that?
03:04Well, he's tried abandoning one of my friends from my house.
03:09Isn't it true that you've told him you don't want to be with him anymore?
03:11Yeah.
03:11Is he living with you?
03:12No.
03:13Then why do you keep having sex with him?
03:14I don't. He keeps nagging and I get sick of it so I just give in. And I ain't had
03:19sex with him for two weeks.
03:20So, how long have you been apart?
03:23A year.
03:24But what I'm trying to say to you is I'm not...
03:26What do you mean? I haven't lived with him for a year.
03:28Right, but why would you... If you want to get rid of somebody because they're an old, grumpy, controlling bully,
03:33right?
03:33Because he keeps nagging. He does my head in.
03:35People nag people the whole time. They don't end up sleeping with him.
03:37He just won't take no for an answer. He will not take no.
03:40So he keeps nagging you for sex and eventually because you don't want to be my that you give in
03:43and you have sex with him, that sends him a very simple message that actually he can wind you round
03:48his little finger.
03:49But he keeps nagging, you know, so he can get... Yeah, basically.
03:52Maybe we should change that.
03:53You can't sleep with me whether you nag me or not. I don't want to be with you anymore. That
03:56makes sense.
03:58You know, to be fair.
04:00Now, let's just talk about... Let's just talk about the violence.
04:03And I've said this before on the show. It's very easy. Please don't take this as a negative.
04:07It's very easy for a man to come out and go, ah, she's a useless mother or for a girl
04:11or woman to come out and go, he's violent.
04:13Facts. What happened?
04:16He basically strangled me. What happened was I'd rung him up at my boiler.
04:20I'd packed up for a bath. It was freezing cold.
04:23So he came round?
04:25He came round at half past ten. Let's sort this once and for all.
04:28I said, no, you're not coming in. Well done. I want my key back.
04:32Took my key off him and then grabbed me by my neck.
04:34Fung the police?
04:35Yeah.
04:35You phoned the police?
04:36Yes.
04:36Was he prosecuted?
04:37No.
04:38Why?
04:39Because I didn't press charges, but I phoned, please. Oh, no.
04:41No, no, but I'm not. They're making the noise. I'm not trying to be unfair.
04:45But the fact is, if you decide, nobody's going to criticize you for marrying a 55-year-old guy,
04:49because ultimately, at the end of the day, we all make our own decisions in life.
04:52And God knows I've made enough bad ones.
04:53But the truth of the matter is, you can't sit here and say, I want him out of my life.
04:57I don't want this. I don't want that. He's a mithering, controlling bully.
04:59Oh, but I'll have sex with him if he nags me enough.
05:01And by the way, when I have a problem with my boiler, I'll phone that, because I know that he's
05:05in love with me.
05:06Whatever. And then he comes around and shows his true colours, and as any young woman, you should be going,
05:11my God, you phone the police, and what do you do? Do you know what this does to the police?
05:14Had he said to me once, making a programme, how frustrating it is that 7 out of 10 women in
05:18your position,
05:19that happens to, drop the charges, and what does that say to him? He can get away with it.
05:23I want to get this guy out, so you're not together at the moment, but you are still having sex.
05:27No.
05:27Brilliant.
05:27I have sex with me.
05:28Derek, 60, on the Jeremy Cowell Show, that way.
05:40Did you strangle her, Derek?
05:42No.
05:42Well, not in the sense that she's saying.
05:45In what sense can you possibly justify putting your hands on a woman in that way?
05:50I went round to her house at half past 10, because she told me a boiler had broken down,
05:54and she had no...
05:56She'd run the bathroom, it was cold.
05:57Well, Kelly opened the door, and she put her hand up, and I thought she was going to hit me,
06:01because she'd been in the mood all day.
06:02My reaction was to put my hand up to stop her.
06:04You was in the mood all day, not me?
06:06Yeah, well, both of us were in the mood all day, then.
06:08I was not...
06:08There was no problem with me?
06:10You was the one in the mood all day?
06:11Then I put my hand up, and we tripped over something and fell on the floor.
06:15We hit the floor.
06:16Kelly told me to get off.
06:17I got off after she'd punched me about half a dozen times in the face.
06:20I got up and left.
06:21I went home, I rung her up the next morning, and I apologize, I had to tell her, I said,
06:25I don't know what the hell happened there.
06:27I says...
06:28The police came round?
06:29No, no police ever came to me.
06:31So you said you told the police?
06:32No, the police have been...
06:33Police never came to my house, but no police was involved.
06:36So you didn't go to the police?
06:38Didn't I?
06:39No, well, they never came to my house.
06:40No, but they're not.
06:42So you told the police, but they didn't go and interview him?
06:45No, they interviewed me at all.
06:46Well, that's wasting police time, isn't it?
06:48I don't know why they've gone...
06:49Because I turned around, I went around to Kelly's...
06:51Are you still in love with her?
06:52Yes.
06:53Are you still in love with you?
06:54So every time she has sex with you, that makes you feel like there's a chance, doesn't it?
06:58No.
06:58It basically, what it was is we, me and Kelly...
07:01You told my team, and I quote, I'm getting mixed messages.
07:04Yes, I am.
07:05Well, tell her!
07:05The Tuesdays happened.
07:07The Wednesday, I run Kelly up and we'll speak and talk to her, was talking to you.
07:11On the Friday, you came round to my house, and we had a meal.
07:14We had a drink.
07:17We went to bed, we made love.
07:18That was on the Friday afterwards.
07:20Is that true?
07:20Made love?
07:21Yes, on the Friday.
07:21I'm sorry, I'm sorry he had sex.
07:23So after he put his hands on you, which you told the police about, but hello?
07:28Yeah.
07:28After that, you had sexual whatever with him after he attacked you?
07:32On the Friday.
07:33No, no.
07:33And how many times did you nag me?
07:35I didn't.
07:36I don't know, I said to you...
07:38You asked me the Tuesday after you did it.
07:39It's the same day, you went, oh, do I get a f*** out?
07:43No.
07:44I turned around and said to you about the relationship, I said, can we try and work it out?
07:50And you turned around and said, I'll come round on Friday, we'll go to get a couple of DVDs,
07:55get some wine, we'll sit and watch the DVDs, have them, we'll talk.
07:59Then we ended up in bed, right?
08:01Then on the foot, then...
08:02Did you have sex with him after he allegedly strangled you?
08:05Yes, I'm not going to deny, I did have sex with him.
08:07So you see, their reaction, that reaction is understandable, because how on earth?
08:12I understand their reaction, but he nagged me, he nagged me, he nagged me.
08:14I didn't see you on the Wednesday, I only saw you on the Thursday.
08:18You're still in love with her, aren't you?
08:19Excuse me, isn't it?
08:20You didn't see me on the Wednesday?
08:21Do you know what he told my team?
08:22I'll do anything to save this marriage.
08:24I would suspect...
08:25She borts me, I don't want ya.
08:27Well, stop having sex with him, then!
08:29I don't want ya!
08:32Like this, but then there's another one, then.
08:34Why don't you, if you're truthful, tell him exactly what you mean,
08:39and stop giving mixed messages, and stop changing your story, because...
08:42I don't want ya, I don't want to be with ya.
08:44Hang on, then, we'll go back to this one.
08:46You don't want me.
08:48Last Thursday, oh, sorry, last week, I was coming round every day,
08:52which I do every week, come round every day to see the girls.
08:54Right.
08:54Oh, no, sorry, you couldn't see the girls, but you sat on the sofa and talked to me.
08:57All right, then.
08:58On the Thursday, I came round to yours, they put the girls to bed at half past nine.
09:04Well, half past six.
09:05I was laid on the sofa, watching television,
09:08and you turned round and said to me,
09:11I said, is there any chance of having sex?
09:13Didn't I?
09:14And I turned around to you and said no.
09:15You turned round and said no, but you decided to...
09:19To what?
09:20Oh, this is only last Thursday.
09:26I decided.
09:27Well, you did it.
09:28I decided.
09:29I mean, but your thing is, I'm with these people, he might be everything that you say.
09:36I personally think he's a 60-year-old man who's in love with you,
09:39who basically, you've got bored off because you're in a different place and so is he.
09:42I haven't got bored of him.
09:43But then when your boiler breaks, love, or there's a problem,
09:46when you ring the guy and he comes round to help you,
09:49you're going to think you've got a chance, aren't you?
09:51Yes.
09:51There's another one here, then.
09:53Oh, God.
09:54I asked you for 20 quid for the guy.
09:55She wrote me up on Wednesday because she took her own...
09:58I'm sick of the days.
09:59The marriage is over.
10:00She says I'm going for a divorce.
10:01Then on the Wednesday, she rings me up.
10:03Can you bring me 20 pound on because I've got no money?
10:06But then what did you say to me?
10:08You help me, I'll help you.
10:09Yeah, I meant by helping me start my marriage out.
10:11No, he didn't.
10:13When was the last time you had sex?
10:15Any form of sexual contact.
10:17Oh, you're on me, sexual intercourse.
10:18He said sex.
10:19Two weeks ago.
10:20Let's go with sexual contact.
10:22Anything from a kiss to intercourse.
10:24No, we'll go back last Thursday.
10:25Is that true?
10:26You what?
10:27Last Thursday.
10:27Last Thursday.
10:28Claire, was you with me at Thursday?
10:30I was there Thursday.
10:30Oh, you were there as well.
10:32No, no, no.
10:34Claire, was there?
10:35Who are you?
10:35Every Thursday.
10:36I'll be quiet.
10:37Sorry.
10:37Oi, shush.
10:38Who are you?
10:39It was this Thursday.
10:40Can you be quiet?
10:41What?
10:41We go around every Thursday to play cards with Kelly.
10:43My mum, my dad, and my mother.
10:44He didn't play cards, love.
10:45No, we did.
10:47But Kelly, Derek won't, where, when we went.
10:50You're her mate?
10:51Yeah.
10:51Is he a controlling bully?
10:53He tries to stop us going, to be honest.
10:56Why does she keep sleeping with him?
10:58I don't know.
10:59I don't get that bit, but...
11:00There you are.
11:01She don't get it as well.
11:02I'm confused with that bit myself.
11:04Are you able to listen to what she is saying?
11:07Hear me out.
11:08Yes.
11:08Do you love him anymore?
11:10She doesn't love...
11:11Stop talking and listen.
11:12I don't want to be with you.
11:13Just divorce me.
11:14I what?
11:15I can't.
11:16That's all I want, but believe me, I am not going to be sleeping with you no more.
11:20I am not in love with you.
11:21I don't want you.
11:23You're making this about...
11:24Just a minute.
11:25No, you're making it about you.
11:26When somebody is in love and the other person doesn't feel the same, it's horrible.
11:30And the reality of what perhaps you know in your heart to be the truth is difficult.
11:34Darling, you are sending mixed messages.
11:36And as much as I understand you'd want him to come around and deal with your boiler or anything else
11:40that's not working...
11:42That didn't sound right.
11:43Maybe the next time you should turn to somebody else because I believe that you see it as an opportunity.
11:50And you've got to understand where I'm coming from.
11:51You're not looking at me, but it's true.
11:53Every time something happens between you, rest assured he's a man, right?
11:56We're far more insecure than women.
11:58He thinks at the back of his head, I've got a chance.
12:01You cut it and you stick to what you say.
12:03And you, you have to respect that.
12:06Yep.
12:07Right, I respect that, but how can I sit there?
12:09When she rings up every...
12:10Do you ever shut up?
12:12Who rings who?
12:13You ring me every day.
12:14I get texts every day.
12:15I've told you, if you carry on texting me, carry on calling me, I'll be cutting your contract off.
12:19I ring...
12:19I ring...
12:20I go around every day.
12:21Not that sort of contract.
12:24You're not going to accept this, are you?
12:25No.
12:26Well, then your contract gets cut off.
12:28I'm divorcing you, that is it.
12:30I've got the money.
12:30I'm going to be a money.
12:31You will, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't, listen.
12:33Letting somebody go that you love is the most difficult thing in the world.
12:36But if you don't let it go, you will end up destroying any semblance of a friendship.
12:39And you should be concentrating.
12:40Is it trying to anyway, is it ringing me on here?
12:41You should be...
12:41I hate you.
12:43I'm sorry, but I do.
12:46That's nice to know.
12:47You put me on here.
12:48Don't worry.
12:49You put me on Jeremy Cal, for God's sake.
12:52Kelly, I've said it many times.
12:53You have every right to your opinion.
12:55You have every right to feel how you do.
12:57But, underlined, don't give him any shaft of light to think there's a chance.
13:02You have to be very careful.
13:04You have to accept what she says, or it could lead to trouble.
13:06We will continue this with Graham backstage, but you are going to have to listen to each
13:10other and move forward.
13:11You go that way.
13:12You go that way.
13:13Give him a round of applause.
13:18Difficult, say it all the time.
13:20You know, one person's in love, the other person says, I'm not interested anymore.
13:23How does it work?
13:24He has to listen to her and move on with his life.
13:26After this break, on this stage, yet another for Jeremy Cal, a relationship at breaking
13:31point.
13:31We're right back.
13:32I wanted to find out the truth if he took the iPad and the 3DS.
13:36And this is your eldest daughter, yeah?
13:38Yeah.
13:39Like a bleating little whatever last night, just before he goes in the lie detector, what
13:44happened?
13:55Please tell me there's nobody else in the frame.
13:57There is nobody else.
13:58The DNA test results show that Doug is not the child's biological father.
14:03How can I be?
14:06Why are you 100% sure?
14:08Keith's not got very good swimmer.
14:13How sure are you?
14:14100%.
14:14100%.
14:15100%.
14:15100%.
14:16I am 1,000% sure she's not my daughter.
14:22Keith is the father of your baby.
14:25You're not the child's biological.
14:28She'll stay away, she'll stay away.
14:32You are her biological.
14:36You get too much.
14:39It's not your baby, my friend.
14:41That is your daughter.
14:44You are not, he's done that yet.
14:47He needs loving by both parents.
14:51Every child should know who its father is.
14:54Bye, bye, bye, bye.
14:55Bye.
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15:36Thank you, my friends.
15:37Welcome back.
15:38Right, my next guest today, Gemma, came here to find out if a partner, Josh, had stolen from her daughter.
15:42But check this.
15:43Last night, just before he was due to do the lie detector, good old Josh confessed that he did, in
15:49fact, steal off his girlfriend's daughter.
15:52Now, Gemma was ready to...
15:53Nice.
15:53Gemma was ready to leave him on the spot.
15:55But as she is five and a half months pregnant with his baby, bear that in mind, she's prepared to
16:00give him a chance to explain himself.
16:02She says, it better be good, because the way I feel right now, I want to walk away for good.
16:06This is a really emotional lady.
16:08Gemma's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
16:09Give her a round of applause.
16:16Really, really nervous, worried about walking on.
16:19I'm not.
16:19Let's just go and do this.
16:20Yeah.
16:22Hi, Dallin.
16:23You all right?
16:23Yeah, how are you?
16:25I'm all right.
16:27They tell me it's this morning, and I'm trying to control myself, because it makes me absolutely mad.
16:31Why don't you want to come out there with me?
16:32I'm just nervous, and I've got bad anxiety, and I'm just...
16:36Well, fair play, first and foremost, that you're courageous enough to come here.
16:40Let's just talk about you and Josh.
16:42Five years.
16:42Yep.
16:43You've got two kids with A and another.
16:46That's not important.
16:47Yep.
16:48So he's been involved in their lives.
16:49I'll say you're pregnant with his child.
16:51Why the accusation?
16:53Before we talk about what he said last night, what was it?
16:55Tell us why you came here initially, anyway.
16:57Because I wanted to find out the truth if he took the iPad and the 3DS.
17:01And this is your eldest daughter?
17:02Yep.
17:02Yeah?
17:03Yep.
17:03But when you...
17:04I mean, for us, for the audience and for me, when you hear that, right, potentially somebody
17:08you've been with for five years, you've let into your children's lives, could actually
17:12nick off one of your kids.
17:14Yep.
17:15I mean, that's horrible.
17:17Now, you've supported this guy through a load of problems.
17:19It's degrading, isn't it, really?
17:21Yeah.
17:21What sort of problems has he had?
17:23Well, he lost his mum three years ago.
17:26Not a reason to nick, is it?
17:27No, it isn't.
17:27No, it's not an excuse, is it?
17:29Cannabis?
17:30Yeah.
17:30Yeah.
17:31Has he stolen before?
17:33Yes, he has, yeah.
17:34From you?
17:34Yeah, he's took money off me, yeah.
17:37And you've allowed that to go?
17:38Well, yeah, that's nothing really, is it?
17:41But, well, it is.
17:43But he shouldn't...
17:43That shows exactly what he is.
17:44Yeah, he shouldn't take off my daughter, should he?
17:46So he admitted.
17:47And so you said, look, I don't know what to believe anymore.
17:49You've had this cannabis problem.
17:50You've stolen off me.
17:51There's too much that doesn't add up.
17:52And essentially, we're going to go on the Jeremy Carr show.
17:55I want you to prove.
17:56Yeah.
17:56What's really interesting, ladies and gentlemen, in the audience and at home,
17:59and I've got reams and reams of notes,
18:03it's disgusting what sort of man would do that to a child.
18:06I feel disgusted that anybody would accuse me of this.
18:09And yet, like a bleating little whatever last night,
18:13just before he goes in the lie detector, what happens?
18:16He tells me the truth.
18:17How did you react?
18:18I was shocked more than anything.
18:21Why are you not...
18:22Why are you even having...
18:23Come and me.
18:24Come here.
18:24Oh, no, I can't.
18:24We are going to do the hissing.
18:26No, I can't.
18:26We've got to do this.
18:27I can't, no.
18:28I'd rather him come back here.
18:29Now, if he can...
18:30All right, listen to me.
18:31That's fine.
18:31Look at me.
18:32Right?
18:32He is going to come back here and he's going to sweet talk you, right?
18:35And every...
18:36You know, so the people who criticise the Jeremy Carr show are going to go,
18:38oh, well, Jesse's going to give him a hard time.
18:40Here's the thing you need to hold on to, right?
18:42It's not your fault he chooses, right, to fill his body with cannabis because he can't deal
18:47with his own problems.
18:48It is certainly not your fault that he thinks it's acceptable to steal off you and now your
18:53children.
18:54You want him here?
18:55Oh, yeah.
18:56I'm not going to him.
18:57You can come here.
18:58Where's he coming from?
18:59Is anybody going to tell me?
19:02It'll be an interesting walk.
19:07It's nice.
19:11You stole off her kids?
19:13Yeah.
19:14Yeah?
19:15Yeah.
19:17Why?
19:18Because I've got a drug problem.
19:19You've got a drug problem?
19:20Why don't you go and get help for your drug problem before nicking off the woman that loves
19:23you and kids who are involved in it?
19:27Sorry?
19:28Because no one's going to ask me to help.
19:30Nobody's ever offered you help, so you just nick off people, yeah?
19:33What do you want to say to him?
19:34I've got nothing to say to him.
19:36I can't even...
19:36I'm speechless.
19:38You told my team...
19:39I mean, you lied to my team.
19:40I've got so many pieces of paper, you giving it the big, you know, oh, it's disgusting,
19:44it's immoral, and you said, I want to talk to her.
19:47Go on, then.
19:47How are you going to justify this?
19:49There's no way I can justify it.
19:50I've said I'm sorry.
19:52That's all I can do.
19:55You told my team I was sickened and furious by the accusation that I would nick off a five-year
19:59-old
19:59child.
20:00Yeah.
20:01But you did!
20:02Yeah.
20:03I know I did.
20:03Well, that's it, is it?
20:05I've got the stuff, I can give it back.
20:06That's what I'm going to do.
20:07Oh, you're going to...
20:08Where is it, the stuff?
20:09Well, hidden, is it?
20:09Yeah.
20:09You haven't sold it?
20:10No.
20:10So why have you taken it, then?
20:12Because I had a drug problem, and I wanted to go and get some drugs, and I didn't.
20:15Why don't you, for example, go and get a job and pay for your own dirty pastime?
20:20Because I can't get a job.
20:20You can't get a job.
20:21Why would that be?
20:21Because you're off your face the whole time, and you steal off people.
20:24That's why you can't get a job.
20:25Because it's the way I was brought up.
20:27What?
20:27It was the way I was brought up.
20:28Oh, right.
20:28So you apparently had a bad upbringing, which is why you're on drugs, and you steal.
20:31So you thought it would be a good idea to steal off her kids, and then maybe they'll go in
20:35the same way as you, yeah?
20:36No.
20:36Talk to him, love.
20:37Seriously, you're wasting your time.
20:38My kids will never turn out something like that.
20:40I bet you'll have him back, won't you?
20:42No, not this time.
20:43All I would say.
20:44Well, it doesn't matter.
20:46It's not about what's right or wrong.
20:50Like I said, nick off me is one thing, but don't nick off me, children.
20:54It's absolutely disgraceful.
20:58It's true.
20:59Yeah, I know it is.
21:00Oh.
21:01We're going to feel sorry for you.
21:03No, I don't need to feel sorry.
21:04Nobody needs to feel sorry for me.
21:05It's my own fault.
21:07I did this all on my own.
21:08I know I did.
21:09I think that if you'd been a little bit more forthcoming, but you haven't.
21:18Do you love her?
21:19Yeah, of course I do.
21:21You can't love me.
21:22Yeah, I do.
21:23You can't love me to steal off my children.
21:26And if you stole this stuff, why did you hide it?
21:28Why didn't you sell it straight away, Josh?
21:30Why didn't you sell it to buy you drugs?
21:34Because I realised that.
21:36Why didn't you put it back, then?
21:38Because I didn't have time.
21:40This unborn child.
21:43Use it as a catalyst to turn your life around.
21:45You know, a lot of people go, oh, my bird's ditched me, and I've made this mistake, and
21:48my life's over, and it's a complete disaster.
21:51This unborn child.
21:53Maybe in two years, you can turn your life around.
21:55We can help you.
21:56You can help yourself get off the drugs.
21:57You can get a job.
21:58I don't know about you two, but use this as a yardstick to get better, rather than as
22:03a reason to just go, oh, what's the point?
22:05I'll just take some more.
22:06You know what, Josh?
22:07The world is littered with people who have taken drugs.
22:10Yeah.
22:10And what is it at the end of the day?
22:12It's what existence you've got.
22:14You have a great lady here.
22:15I know, wouldn't I?
22:16And an unborn child.
22:18And you heard her say the five-year-old loved you.
22:20Yeah, you've made a mistake.
22:21Can you get over that?
22:22I hope so.
22:24Think.
22:24We'll do our best to help you, okay?
22:26Yeah.
22:27Thanks for coming on the show.
22:42Thank you very much.
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23:25My next guest today, Lara, claims that her daughter, Stacey, is out of control and destroying
23:29their relationship.
23:30Now, Mum, Lara, says that things came to her head recently when she found out that young
23:34Stacey is in a relationship and engaged.
23:36To Dave, here's a theme this morning, a man more than twice a range.
23:40She says this was the final straw and unless Stacey leaves her fiancé today, she'll have
23:45no choice but to disown her daughter for good.
23:48Strong words.
23:48Mum, Lara, on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
23:50Give a round of applause.
23:54All right, love.
23:55Hello.
23:55Nice to see you again.
23:57I know.
23:57It's a bit quick.
23:58Yeah.
23:59Nice to see you again.
24:00Um, people will know, uh, you and here, you and, uh, Stacey were on the show last time,
24:05doesn't matter what, four, very, very close.
24:07Yeah.
24:08So I come in today and I get told that you're now...
24:11Oceans apart.
24:12Oceans apart, to the point where you say, I'll disown my daughter unless she leaves her
24:15fiancé.
24:16Mm-hmm.
24:17What's happened?
24:18God knows.
24:19She, I didn't know they were even in a relationship until...
24:21What's he got to do with you?
24:22She's in a relationship with her.
24:23I'm missing the point.
24:24He's 44.
24:25He's 26 years older than her.
24:27He does...
24:27They don't know each other.
24:28She's 18?
24:29Yeah.
24:30You say?
24:30You say she's gone off the rails?
24:32What, what...
24:33Well, yeah, she went over to his one night, came back the next morning.
24:36I couldn't get hold of her at all that night.
24:38You know, trying to ring her, text her, where the hell are you, getting worried, getting
24:41panicked.
24:42Not sleeping that night, because I was so worried about where she was.
24:45All I was told is it's a 10-minute drive away from where we live, which 10 minutes in
24:49any direction could lead you anywhere.
24:50To flip it for this mother, she's saying, I think it's disgusting, he's 44, my kid's
24:5618, they've known each other less than three weeks and they're engaged already.
25:00Yeah.
25:00I wasn't supposed to know about the engagement, though.
25:02I only found out about the engagement a couple of days ago.
25:05Your reaction?
25:06Disgusting.
25:07There they are.
25:09Yeah, I mean, what the hell?
25:11Honestly?
25:13Really?
25:14You're a grandpa.
25:15You look like a grandfather.
25:16You're old enough to be a grandfather.
25:18You say he's manipulative and he's taking advantage of her, she needs to grow up and
25:22act her age.
25:23Well, apparently I've kicked her out of the house and all this lie.
25:25This is what she's been saying about you, which is interesting, because two weeks ago
25:28you and she were very close until he came.
25:30We were as close as we could be.
25:31We'd been having a giggle, we'd been decorating her bedroom.
25:34You feel like he's taken your daughter away?
25:37Basically, yeah.
25:38He doesn't let go of her.
25:40He can't let go of her.
25:41As soon as he's in...
25:43He's older than you?
25:44Yeah.
25:44And I'm older than everybody.
25:46What is today about?
25:47Look, you can see young love's young dream.
25:50Look at her face.
25:51What do you...
25:51So happy.
25:52She looks so happy.
25:54What's today about, babe?
25:55It's about making sure she grows up, because she'll sit there in tears, oh, poor me, poor
26:00me.
26:01Well, it's not about poor you, it's about you getting off your...
26:03Getting your life sorted out.
26:06Get yourself back into college.
26:08Do what you wanted to do.
26:09I really like you.
26:10Should I tell you why?
26:11I asked you that question at the beginning, what's it got to do with you?
26:13Because there's an awful lot of parents that come on this stage, right?
26:17You are genuinely concerned about your kid.
26:19Oh, she's my little girl.
26:20I've only got one daughter.
26:22It's nice to hear.
26:23I'll leave it to you then, boss.
26:24Stacey's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
26:30What do you get in my case, love?
26:32It's got nothing to do with you.
26:34Really?
26:35Yeah.
26:35You're my daughter, love.
26:37It's got everything to do with you.
26:39If you're not happy...
26:39Sit you down.
26:40No.
26:41If you're not happy with us being together, you can do one.
26:44I can do one?
26:45Yeah.
26:46You're the one coming out with the...
26:47I kicked you out?
26:48Yeah, you did.
26:49Really?
26:50You...
26:50You...
26:50I got back, and you said, oh, I'd best tell the police at your home.
26:54Yeah.
26:55And because I went into my room, you came in after me, and I was in tears.
26:58You turned around and said, if you don't stop that, I'm going to knock you out.
27:01Oh, did I?
27:02Yeah.
27:03Why do I not believe a word you're saying?
27:05Why do I believe everything your mother's saying?
27:07I ain't lying.
27:08You're 18 years of age, and some bloke has swept you off your feet.
27:11Why are you having a go at your mother?
27:12You and your mother last time in this show were as close as anything.
27:15She threatened to knock me out.
27:16What do you expect me to do?
27:17Stacey told us, Lara, that she's scared of you because you hit her when she was a child.
27:24Really?
27:24Yeah, that's what we were told by socials, and I remember it.
27:27Oh, can you ever be in the middle of it?
27:28I'll be really honest, and I very rarely say this.
27:29I think you're a little drama, Queen, and I don't think your mother has done anything at all,
27:34because the last time you were here, you thought she was the greatest mother on God's earth.
27:38This is about you and a 44-year-old bloke.
27:40Let me tell you one thing, right, because I'm an old man.
27:42Have your relationship, do whatever, because it ain't going to work.
27:45But when it doesn't work, make sure you don't slag this lady off too much,
27:49because you will want her to go back to.
27:51Trust me.
27:51She's already slagged me off too much.
27:53She's all right.
27:55She's all right.
27:56She's all right.
27:58Have you met Mr Loverman?
28:00Yeah, he came round to my house and told me that I should think he's a decent bloke
28:04because he is a decent bloke, and I should think everything is perfect for him.
28:09Do you love him?
28:10Yeah, I do.
28:10After 14 days?
28:12It's ridiculous.
28:15Where was he born?
28:17Stratford-upon-haven.
28:18You sure about that now?
28:21Stoke-on-Trent, actually.
28:22Because a couple of days ago...
28:23Stoke-on-Trent.
28:23Right, make up your mind.
28:24It's either Stratford-upon-haven or Stoke-on-Trent.
28:26Stoke-on-Trent.
28:27Hold on a second.
28:28It doesn't matter where he was born.
28:29Right, listen to me.
28:29Seriously, you're in love with him.
28:30What do you love about him?
28:32He's just there for me when I need...
28:33You've only known him 17 days!
28:36No, I haven't.
28:36Oh, my God.
28:37I've been there for you your entire life,
28:39and you're telling me that you'd rather be with a 44-year-old grandfather.
28:42Look at him.
28:43He looks as if he's in his 50s.
28:45Nothing wrong with that.
28:47No.
28:48You can't help it.
28:49But for an 18-year-old, there's nothing right with it either.
28:51I can...
28:51Sorry, I'll shut up.
28:52I completely agree.
28:53Let's get Mr. Loverman out.
28:55Now, Joey's coming out.
28:59Come on.
29:00Come on.
29:03You all right?
29:04Yeah.
29:05There you go.
29:05Quick, grab hold of her.
29:07It's not like that at all.
29:08You're an e-jit.
29:09You've got nothing to do with her.
29:10Why the hell do you want to go out with an 18-year-old child?
29:13She's immature.
29:14She's naive.
29:15Do not try it, Stacey.
29:17Okay?
29:18Because you can turn the taps on in a sec when you leave.
29:20I like this woman.
29:22You come into my home and tell me that I should think you're a decent bloke.
29:26No.
29:27Don't.
29:28Turn around to yours, basically, because you're worried about Stacey.
29:32Yeah?
29:32True or not?
29:33Stacey was in my home.
29:34Have you got any kids?
29:35Are you worried about her?
29:36Yes, I have, yeah.
29:36You've got a daughter?
29:37No, I've got a son.
29:38Really?
29:39If you had a daughter who was 18 that came home after 14 days and said she was engaged to
29:43you, how would you react?
29:44As long as she was happy, I wouldn't mind.
29:46Well, I'm going back to when they were on the show and they were as close as anything
29:49and you've sort of hijacked that situation.
29:51No, that is happening.
29:52Yeah, go on.
29:52Because we come back, everything's fine.
29:54We're laughing, we're joking, we're decorating her bedroom.
29:57That was this year.
29:58We've been decorating her bedroom and having a laugh, so don't try that one.
30:00How did you meet you two?
30:02At work.
30:03Right.
30:03We've known each other since last year.
30:04Why on earth does a 44-year-old man do it?
30:07I mean, you go out with an 18-year-old, that's your business.
30:09Why are you asking me to get married after 14 days?
30:11What planet are you from?
30:13No, we didn't ask to get married, basically.
30:14You're engaged.
30:15We're engaged.
30:16Oh, sorry, hold on a second.
30:17There we are, my favourite thing.
30:19Let's not actually...
30:20Do you know what's wrong with society?
30:21I'm going to have a go now.
30:23No, I'll tell you what, I'm that insecure at 44, I put a ring on her finger,
30:26I've got no intention of marrying her, then she's mine.
30:28Why would you get engaged if you're not going to get married then?
30:31What's that all about?
30:37Is it acceptable after 14 days to ask a woman to marry you who's half your age?
30:42It was a joint decision.
30:44A joint decision?
30:45Yeah, we talked about it.
30:46She's 18 going on about 12, to be honest.
30:50Her mother's right.
30:51She's immature.
30:52She's not immature.
30:53Yes, she is.
30:53No, I'm not.
30:54Yes, you are.
30:55How am I?
30:56You don't even know who lives.
30:57You're lying about anyone that'll listen.
30:59You've tried turning people against me.
31:01Oh, she lives with you, she's moved in and got engaged.
31:04Oh yeah, they moved in together.
31:05Are you having safe sex?
31:07We don't know, we haven't had sex.
31:08You haven't had...
31:09No, it's not like that.
31:10It's not like that.
31:11It's nothing like that.
31:11We haven't had that.
31:12So you're not having a physical relationship, but you're going to make her your wife.
31:15You're going to wait until you're married, are you?
31:17No, we haven't had sex.
31:18No, we haven't had full sex.
31:20No, we haven't.
31:20That's fine, but the point is it's just too quick.
31:23You're 44.
31:24You're living in a dream world and you're making her believe your dream.
31:27And that's normal behaviour.
31:28It's not normal behaviour at all.
31:30You're absolutely right.
31:30Really?
31:31Why isn't it normal behaviour?
31:32So if I was basically...
31:33Hang on a minute, let's go into the street.
31:34How many 18-year-olds do you see engaged to a 44-year-old man who looks like he's older?
31:41Excuse me, you can say what you like, but you're on a f***ing painting, are you?
31:45I never paint a thing.
31:49Another thing, right, about being immature and growing up.
31:51How about you?
31:51What do you do for a living?
31:54No, you don't do anything.
31:55Because I've had tough operations on my spine, love.
31:57What do you actually do?
31:58What do you know about me?
31:58No, I know exactly about you.
32:00What do you do every day?
32:01You sit on your f***ing, right, smoke weed and watch TV.
32:07You don't smoke weed?
32:09You don't smoke weed?
32:10Yeah, I do.
32:10Yeah.
32:11I don't.
32:12I don't smoke weed.
32:13Oh, big man.
32:14No?
32:14She does, though.
32:15Not anymore, I don't.
32:16Do you want me to drop your f***ing, love, because you bought two?
32:19There's a pink and a purple one at home.
32:20I've got one, actually.
32:23This is the most random conversation in the history of the world.
32:26I can't condone you smoking dope.
32:28Hold on a minute.
32:29At all, in any which way.
32:30You've opened up a bit, haven't you?
32:31Yeah, I have.
32:32Everything you know about her has come from your young girlfriend, yeah?
32:34Sticker for Stacey, because I'm not having any of this, because you are a nasty piece of f***ing work.
32:38You've come out?
32:39No, because she's...
32:40Because this is all you controlling her.
32:42No, it's not.
32:43I'm talking for her.
32:43Okay.
32:44Really?
32:44No, but what is your opinion then, Stacey?
32:47You're the one that controlled me my life.
32:49Am I?
32:50Yeah.
32:51Really?
32:51How?
32:53Let's see.
32:54Do this.
32:55Do that.
32:55Don't do that.
32:56Hang on a minute.
32:57That's what parents do with their children.
32:59Are you that stupid that you can't see that?
33:01I'm not thinking that you and the mother-in-law are ever going to get on brilliantly having watched that.
33:06No, no, we're never not.
33:06I'm not his mother-in-law.
33:07Please don't associate me with that.
33:08No, no, she's not a mother-in-law.
33:09She's wonderful.
33:09Anybody watching this might think there's sexual tension between you two.
33:12Can you...
33:14All right, all right.
33:15Listen, can you speak, please?
33:17Because what's happening here is he's defending you.
33:19That's fine.
33:19She's concerned about you.
33:21That's fine.
33:21She's admitted before that she wasn't the most perfect mother, and I'm sure that he is not super dad.
33:26I feel safe with Dave.
33:27After 17 days.
33:29I know I'm safe with Dave.
33:30After 17 days.
33:32Yeah.
33:33Okay.
33:34We've known each other since last year.
33:35This is him controlling you and...
33:37Really?
33:38How do I control it?
33:39When you was my age, you was with someone a lot older than Dave.
33:41You even said that to Dad on the phone.
33:43No, I was 17, and I was going out with someone who was 30.
33:46You told Dad on the phone you was going out with someone a lot older than Dave when you were
33:49the same age.
33:49You two are staying together, and it's...
33:53No, that's...
33:54The one thing Dave's right about is that that's...
33:56You're right.
33:57All I'm finding difficult to handle is the fact that you were so close to your mother.
34:01She's going to blame you for that night.
34:02Yeah, I know.
34:03I know she is.
34:03I know she is.
34:04Because, I mean, basically, you've got nominations for best mother.
34:06I know that.
34:07Are you staying with Dave?
34:08Yeah.
34:09To the detriment of your mother?
34:11I mean, you don't want to have a relationship.
34:12Well, you know when you walked out that door last week and I told you, do not come back through
34:15it, if that's the case?
34:17Yeah.
34:17I mean it, Stace.
34:18I want your stuff gone by tomorrow, or it goes to...
34:20Do you understand?
34:21I've spoken to the people...
34:22I'm going to get my stuff and look after it.
34:25The problem with that is...
34:26How come, then?
34:27The problem with that is...
34:28You quit your job three times in one week.
34:29You quit the same job, apparently, three times in one week.
34:32How did you...
34:32Where did you hear that, then?
34:33She told...
34:34I had spoken to...
34:36Really?
34:36Can I say something?
34:38Mm-hmm?
34:38You've admitted before on this show that you made mistakes.
34:41When you calm down, leave the door ajar, because it might work, but if it doesn't...
34:45No, listen to it now.
34:46Are there lies about me like that?
34:47No.
34:48Listen to me.
34:49She's making a choice.
34:50She's young.
34:50She's dumb.
34:51She's in love.
34:51That's fine.
34:52It might work.
34:53It might not.
34:53But, listen.
34:54Do you know one of the reasons I think she's so strong here?
34:57Do you want to know?
34:58Go on, then.
34:58Because I think she made a lot of mistakes herself, and I think she's doing her best as she thinks
35:02she is to try and make you see sense.
35:05But the fact is, look at me.
35:06You wouldn't have listened to anybody at 17, 18.
35:09I wouldn't.
35:09But here's the point you need to concentrate on.
35:11Just when you calm down, leave the door open.
35:13You two are going off to hunt for engagement rings and set dates, yeah?
35:17Yeah.
35:17At least we're happy.
35:17Do you know the first story today?
35:19He was 60 and she was 21.
35:21And she met him when she was 16 and he was 55.
35:23And they had two kids.
35:24And she said it was amazing because her upbringing was rubbish.
35:26But the thing that she loved was the fact that, you know, he made her feel such a princess.
35:30Five years down the line, do you know what she's saying?
35:32He basically wants to do totally different things to what I want to do.
35:35And frankly, now he's become a controlling person who won't let me wear what I want to go out with
35:39my friends.
35:39I would only use that because it's already been on today as a warning.
35:43But that's your choice.
35:44Yeah, that's fair enough.
35:44And good luck.
35:45When he gets slippers, you might want something else.
35:48We will, I'm just going to say this to you one final time.
35:52Leave the door open.
35:52You two go in that way, yeah?
35:53Yeah.
35:54Good luck in the engagement ring, Hunt.
35:55That'll be fantastic.
35:56Yeah, lovely.
35:57Bless you.
35:57You go that way.
35:58Give him a round of applause.
35:58That's lovely.
36:03Right after the break, a man on the stage who was desperate to find out if his fiancée cheated on
36:07him whilst he was in prison.
36:09I'm right back.
36:10You're here today on the Jeremy Kyle Show because you say,
36:12I'm not sure whether she cheated on me whilst I was in prison.
36:15Oh my God, I haven't even done nothing and I'm part of your...
36:18You're accusing me 24-7.
36:21He just does exactly what you say, doesn't he?
36:24No, I do what he says.
36:33Please tell me there's nobody else in the frame.
36:36There's nobody else.
36:37The DNA test results show that Doug is not the child's biological father.
36:41How can I be...
36:45Why are you 100% sure?
36:47Keith's not got very good swimmers.
36:51How sure are you?
36:53100%.
36:53100%.
36:54100%.
36:54100%.
36:55I am 1,000% sure she's not my daughter.
37:01Keith is the father of your baby.
37:04You're not the child's biological.
37:06Go away!
37:07Go away!
37:10You are her biological.
37:15He's not your baby, my friend.
37:20That is your daughter!
37:23You are not his son, are you?
37:26He needs loving by both parents.
37:30Every child should know who its father is.
37:32Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
37:33Bye!
37:42Have you been accused of cheating?
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38:18My next guest today, Daniel, is here to find out if fiance Charlie was cheating on him behind his back
38:21whilst he was behind bars.
38:24He says that ever since he came out of prison, he's been told by a number of people that she,
38:27Charlie, was sleeping with other men
38:28and says that he cannot get the doubts out of his head.
38:31Further, he says if she fails the test today, he will have no choice but to end their engagement.
38:37Big day, Daniel on The Kyle Show, that way.
38:43How are you, my friend?
38:44You all right?
38:45Yes, you all right.
38:47Welcome to the show.
38:48How long have you been with Charlie?
38:50About a year.
38:51Right.
38:52Actually, I was going to say, there is a child in this.
38:55It is important.
38:56I appreciate that.
38:57But you're here today on The Jeremy Kyle Show because you say, I'm not sure whether she cheated on me
39:00whilst I was in prison.
39:02I've done the crime and I'm not here to say that I'm a good person because I wasn't.
39:05Changed your life?
39:06Yeah.
39:07Okay.
39:08I need to find out once and for all of my fiancée has cheated on me since we got together.
39:13Why would you think that?
39:15Because you were behind bars and because people told you what?
39:18What have you got?
39:18Have you got tangible proof?
39:19At the start of the relationship, people was messaging me saying, don't go into a relationship with her.
39:23She's cheated on her past partners and she's going to do the same to you.
39:27The minute you got that first message, was your initial reaction, that must be true, oh my God, my life's
39:31in the car seat.
39:32Or did you think this could be people stirring it, this could be people just trying to make a play,
39:37really?
39:37I thought it was true straight away.
39:38Did you?
39:39Because of your doubts?
39:40Yeah, I mean, when I found out about it, I went into her Facebook and I checked her messages.
39:46She was chatting to another boy while she was with her previous partner, not just on one occasion.
39:51Imagine talking to a person of the opposite sex when you're in a relationship.
39:54Shock, horror.
39:55She was telling him to flirt with her and then she said, oh, I'm going to go in the bath
40:00now.
40:00And he was asking, he said, are you naked?
40:02And this and that.
40:03Well, I don't know if you're going clothes in the bath, but...
40:05I've never, ever gotten the bath when they're clothes on.
40:08So, while she's in the bath, she's texting him.
40:10Where's the computer?
40:11Wouldn't he get wet?
40:11No, she was on the phone.
40:13She was on the phone?
40:13I believe, once a cheater, always a cheat and there's no redeeming...
40:16So, you say it today, three-week-old baby, we've made that point thinking that Charlie is going to be
40:20proven to be a cheat and that your relationship's over.
40:22Or are you sitting here today thinking, because you seem quite calm about it, because a lot of people with
40:26that much on the line, the whole family unit, would be, you know, stressed.
40:29You see, I've been with her for a year, but I've known her since I was 13.
40:31I'm 25 now.
40:32Oh, yeah.
40:33And a relationship ended and we decided to get together.
40:37I was in an emotional wreck and she was there to help me and we fell in love.
40:41And then you went to prison.
40:43Yeah, and it was...
40:44Then she might have slept with someone else.
40:45It was odd, but when she was writing the letters, it didn't seem like she would be cheating until I
40:51come out and people were telling me.
40:53Ever been...
40:54You said to me instantly you believed her.
40:56Was there ever a part of you that thought, do you know what, that's just people stirring because I'm, you
41:00know, I'm locked up, I've done wrong, I can't be with me woman.
41:04I mean, I did start to believe her after a while, but it was getting too much.
41:08I was, I was putting pressure on her.
41:09I'm, I'm, every day I'm arguing with her, I'm calling her names and...
41:13You had an STI check-up as well, didn't you?
41:14Yeah, because I didn't know.
41:15So today, massive day for you.
41:17Very quickly, put you on the spot.
41:19If she passes, sail off into the sunset together all well and good.
41:22I've got a lot of making up to do.
41:24Begging.
41:25Yeah.
41:25If she has done anything wrong?
41:27I can't stay with her because I'd make her life even bad.
41:30What, a kiss?
41:30A kiss?
41:31See, even with a kiss I'd be still more paranoid that she's going to do more and I'll make...
41:36You'd never be able to forgive her if she's done anything wrong.
41:38Well, I don't know the results.
41:39Never do.
41:40Charlie, your girlfriend's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
41:42Give her a round of applause.
41:50Go on, Charlie.
41:51Here we go.
41:51If looks could kill you didn't look very happy about that when you walked round the corner.
41:54What's the matter with you?
41:55It's horrible.
41:57It literally breaks my heart every time you tell me that I've cheated.
42:00I'd never do that to you.
42:01It's not how I was raised.
42:03I know.
42:03That's why I said we'd come here because I'm not just affecting you.
42:08Yeah, but how many times have I said let's go on the show and you won't do it?
42:12I know.
42:13What did he tell you when he was in prison?
42:15This is, this tells you everything.
42:17What did he tell you when he was in prison?
42:19Oh yeah, he said that after, he told me this after he came out.
42:22Because before he went in he said I don't want you to wait for me.
42:24And I said well I don't care I'm going to wait anyway.
42:26And then when he came out he was like if you have done something I'm not going to care
42:30because in my eyes we weren't together.
42:32And I said to him no, but in my eyes and in my head we were together.
42:35And you said you'd stand by him, you said you'd never do that to him.
42:38Today is your chance to nail this and say listen mate, this is people, this is people stirring.
42:42Yeah.
42:43I was trying to trick her when I said that.
42:45It's ridiculous.
42:46It's not games, it's the real world.
42:49You stood by him.
42:50Today is about you clearing your name.
42:53Do you think that when you do that this relationship can be okay?
42:56Yeah, because when he's not accusing me everything's perfect.
42:58I couldn't be happier.
43:00It's just when he accuses me I don't like it.
43:02So you say you're going to pass this test?
43:04Yep.
43:05Absolutely.
43:06Absolutely.
43:06He says, and I quote, right?
43:09If you failed any part of it, you say that's it despite the child.
43:14Yeah, my paranoia would just be worse.
43:16You're very honest about that.
43:17Give me those all important lie detector results please.
43:19We'll deserve the questions that were asked of Charlie, the answers that she gave and whether indeed she was telling
43:22the truth or not.
43:23That's a million dollar look.
43:23Have a look at the way he's looking at you.
43:25You look very confident.
43:26We asked Charlie, since the start of your relationship with Daniel, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
43:30You said no.
43:31Why did you say no?
43:32Telling the truth.
43:33Because she was telling the truth.
43:39Since the start of your relationship with Daniel, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
43:42She said no.
43:43Why did you say no?
43:44Telling the truth.
43:44Because the test says she was lying.
43:49What question was that?
43:51Kissing.
43:51Do you want to hear the next one?
43:53Since the start of your relationship with Daniel, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
43:56You said no.
43:57This test says you were lying on that question as well.
43:59What did she just say to her?
44:00What was that?
44:01This says you kissed and had sexual contact with somebody and before you diss my test, you passed sexual intercourse.
44:08I don't see how, because the only person that was with me whilst he wasn't there was my b****.
44:16That could be a different show.
44:17What are you saying to her?
44:20You know what, Jeremy?
44:23I don't know what to do.
44:24I'm heartbroken.
44:26Well, don't look heartbroken.
44:27One minute you were going, then you're back, then you're holding her hand.
44:30Because, what do you want me to do? Kick off?
44:32No, I want you to do what you really feel.
44:33What do you feel?
44:34I feel like, come on, let's go.
44:36Let's go, I don't care.
44:37No, I want, no, because I haven't...
44:39What?
44:40Sorry.
44:40Now I'm really losing the will to live.
44:42She's just failed a lie detector and you say, come on, we're going, I don't care.
44:45And she's going, no.
44:46Why are you saying no?
44:47No, because no, I haven't cheated.
44:49So the test's wrong?
44:50Yes, it is wrong.
44:51Well, how can it be when you pass the sexual intercourse question?
44:54It is wrong, because I was, when he was not there...
44:58What did you say?
44:58You said even if it was a kiss, I'm gone.
45:02You're love struck, mate.
45:03Daniel, you can ask...
45:05She wasn't there.
45:06Come on, mate, come on.
45:06Can I go then?
45:08I will go, because I didn't see.
45:14I'm a little bit confused.
45:16I'm so sorry.
45:17I'm just...
45:17Sorry, I'm a little...
45:18Forgive me.
45:19I'm a little bit confused.
45:20Can you...
45:20So, you've done a lie detector.
45:23That's not...
45:23That is fixed.
45:23My...
45:24Been there the whole time he wasn't there.
45:26Sorry, so you passed one of the questions and it's fixed.
45:29I'd like to make that point.
45:30What's happened to you?
45:31I was with my one-year-old daughter.
45:33You're going home with a girl that you said she really hasn't got a microphone.
45:36You're going home despite the fact you said that even if she's kissed somebody, you're
45:38going, yeah?
45:39I'm not prepared to let this happen.
45:41We've been through a lot.
45:41How can I cheat?
45:42When my...
45:43Can I have a stick, Mike?
45:45Or are we just...
45:45What did you just say?
45:47How can I cheat if I was with my one-year-old daughter?
45:51Why did you pass the sexual intercourse question then?
45:54Because I didn't do anything.
45:57I'm just playing to read the results.
45:58Jeremy, the thing is, right...
46:00Sorry, what?
46:01I think you're a reasonable guy.
46:03I'm doing this for my baby.
46:04You're a very nice man.
46:06You said to me before that you're paranoid.
46:07Listen, fair play to you.
46:08Jeremy, you can help me with that.
46:10And I'm hoping if she has done it...
46:12No, I haven't.
46:13No, let me just tell you.
46:14Can I just...
46:15You failed the test.
46:17Charlie, Charlie, listen.
46:18Right, can I just say one thing, right?
46:20If you have done it...
46:21No, I haven't.
46:22Please tell me.
46:22Can I make a...
46:23Could I try and help you here?
46:24Could I?
46:25Well, go on then.
46:26Right.
46:26Chill a minute.
46:28Let's just say it was a kiss and a cuddle.
46:30Sexual contact on this show...
46:32Don't say a word.
46:32People always think it's...
46:35Yeah.
46:36It doesn't have to be.
46:38Could be a cuddle.
46:39How, how, though?
46:40My...
46:41Do I know?
46:42But it said you hadn't had sex.
46:43Maybe...
46:43Maybe there was a shoulder to cry on.
46:46You didn't have sex.
46:47It wasn't anything intimate.
46:48Maybe you just had a peck on the...
46:51I'm trying here.
46:52There was something, wasn't there?
46:53No, there wasn't.
46:53Because you passed the other question.
46:55Yes, I know I passed the other question.
46:57Which means you're lying about the other two.
46:59But how?
46:59Do you...
47:00Now, yeah.
47:01I'm trying to explain to you that how can I cheat with someone if the whole time...
47:06I'm doing this for Lexi.
47:07I'm doing this for my baby.
47:08Because at the end of the day, she don't deserve parents being at war.
47:11And I'm doing this for my child.
47:13I absolutely, completely and utterly agree with you.
47:17All I'm going to say is, because I can tell...
47:19I'm a mug.
47:20No, not at all.
47:21No, no, that's not fair.
47:22You're a mug.
47:22Oh, my God.
47:23I haven't even done nothing.
47:25And I put up with your...
47:26Oh, no.
47:26You're accusing me.
47:2724-7.
47:29How?
47:30You really are the most unbelievable...
47:32I know he's completely in love with you.
47:34I know.
47:35You know.
47:36You know as well as I do that he can get...
47:38You can get away with anything because...
47:40No, I can't get away with you.
47:40Yes, you can.
47:42You can.
47:42Because he just does exactly what you say, doesn't he?
47:45No, I'd do what he says.
47:47If I was him, I wouldn't trust you further than I could throw you.
47:52I've done this a long time.
47:53I'm actually mightily confused.
47:54Not by him.
47:55I have to say, he said you think I'm a mug.
47:57I don't.
47:57He's got a young kid.
47:58He's obviously in love with that girl.
48:00And he wants to stand by her.
48:01I believe absolutely by that test.
48:04And I know something happened.
48:05If she was honest with him, maybe she could make it work.
48:08But that's what they have to do.
48:08We'll try and get them together and talk about it and keep you updated.
48:12I'm out of time for this morning.
48:12Don't forget, if you want to be on the show, all the details on screen.
48:15We'll see you very soon.
48:16Take care.
48:16We'll sort this out.
48:16We'll see you soon.
48:17Bye-bye for now.
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