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00:00All right, something that every radio show in this city, I know we've had a lot of disagreements
00:05this morning, I think something that every radio show, at least on this station, and
00:08every Browns fan can agree on, you don't want to think about this, but you know the reality
00:15of it.
00:15You know the reality of it.
00:17Trading sticks for Jalen Hurts?
00:19No, no, no, no.
00:21Which, real quick, John came flying in here, he barges in here like Kramer and Seinfeld,
00:27and he goes, hey, Carson Wentz just got traded, did he get traded or he re-signed with Vikers?
00:32Okay, and he goes, J.J. McCarthy, I'm going, I'm not doing it right now, not interested.
00:36Nope.
00:37They made the mistake, they can lay in that mistake.
00:41I remember when they were, I'm like, really, the first round?
00:44Even Keith, big Michigan guy, was like, yeah, I don't know.
00:47And people were like, oh, you should see how he throws people open on third down.
00:51My problem is, every time he seems to struggle, oh, he's on the injured list.
00:54It's like, well, are we going to own up to our problems here?
00:57Do we really have injuries?
00:58Like, which one is it?
00:59Maybe it's all bad luck, I'm not sure.
01:01But Robert Mays, from The Athletic, he was on the Midday Show yesterday on Baskin and Phelps.
01:07Longest running show here.
01:09And he was talking about Todd Munkin.
01:12You guys are going to hear it, you ain't going to like it.
01:15I don't like it either.
01:17But we have to accept the reality of the situation.
01:19Robert Mays, go!
01:20I think Todd is a really good offensive football coach.
01:23I think he's been a really good offensive football coach for a long time.
01:26I think there are two different ways that this could potentially go,
01:29as I think about the archetype of coach that Todd is, and how this season might play out.
01:34The best case scenario, and I've made this comparison since he got hired,
01:38like, I think if you're a Browns fan, the best way that this can work out
01:41is that this is like Bruce Arian's 2.0,
01:44where you have a guy that is a longtime assistant, waited for his chance,
01:48and surprises some people in terms of how good of a head coach he ends up being in his 60s.
01:53The downside of this, and I think the worst case scenario is,
01:56is this one of those kind of interstitial hires for a bad team,
02:01where you're hiring Todd Munkin as a step to hiring your head coach
02:05that's going to be here as you really kind of pull yourself out of the muck.
02:08And I don't know which one of it.
02:10I don't know which one of those it is.
02:11If you told me that this was a one-year thing,
02:14and they're looking for a head coach again next year,
02:16just based on the current state of the roster,
02:18the level of quarterback play they're going to get,
02:19that wouldn't surprise me at all.
02:21But I have enough respect for Todd Munkin where I absolutely can see
02:25the other path working out,
02:26where the offense is a little bit better than we expected,
02:29you're maximizing the players on that side of the ball,
02:32and you can talk yourself into the idea of,
02:34okay, when we get a quarterback in here,
02:36we do think this is the right guy to oversee that process.
02:39I think every radio show host in this city,
02:42or at least on this station,
02:44I think a lot of,
02:44I would be willing to imagine,
02:47you can never say 100%,
02:48I'd be willing to imagine 98 plus percent of Browns fans would agree
02:53it would be very silly to go through all this rigmarole.
02:57Daryl is in for tone today, by the way,
02:59to go through all this stuff that's been going on here,
03:02where you took a month to find a head coach,
03:04which fine, that might be normal,
03:05but we were going through all of it with all these young guys.
03:07We ended up picking a 60-year-old head coach.
03:08You ended up picking a head coach to just have him for one year.
03:12To have some of the same big pieces that you have,
03:16not get rid of the general manager, mind you,
03:18and just have a guy for one season.
03:20It would be all-time silly.
03:24And maybe dumb.
03:26Stupid.
03:27To only do it for one year.
03:29And I don't believe, Daryl,
03:30that the Browns have any intention of just keeping him for one year.
03:33I don't believe that.
03:35I think that...
03:36I think this is at least a two-year deal.
03:38I know you guys call me a water boy.
03:40Well, yes, yes.
03:42But I know a lot of people call me a water boy fine.
03:45Ever since that Rob Chudzinski deal went down,
03:50they like to overcorrect mistakes.
03:52The Browns.
03:54Ownership.
03:55This is true.
03:55They held on to Kevin for a longer period of time.
03:58They gave Hugh a little more time than what any of us wanted to give him.
04:03But they hit the eject button quickly on Freddie Kitchens.
04:07They hit the eject button quickly on...
04:08Freddie was warranted.
04:10Let's call it what it is.
04:12Yeah.
04:12I agree.
04:13I'm just saying, though.
04:14Like, yeah, they tend to find themselves caught between moving on quickly or taking too long
04:23to move on.
04:23But I know that they've been pretty sensitive to that type of thing since Chud, especially
04:27because, you know, that goofball tried to sell him on Jim Harbaugh or whatever, which...
04:33Whatever.
04:34So, I think that they do not have any intention to do it, but we also know what the NFL
04:39is.
04:39And this isn't just the Browns, guys.
04:40This is what the NFL is.
04:41Because a 60-year-old coordinator, Vic Fangio, was a 60-year-old coordinator.
04:46I thought Vic Fangio got railroaded.
04:48And he did.
04:49And he was in and out very quickly in Denver.
04:52A worse case scenario would be David Culley, who was a 64-year-old...
04:58I don't know if he was ever a coordinator.
05:01They made him a head coach, and, you know, they tried to say the nice things about him,
05:06but it was basically, you're here as a placeholder until we can get our affairs in order about
05:11all this stuff and move on.
05:12Right.
05:13And then look at some of the young guys that they talked to.
05:16They were the young up-and-comers that just aren't ready for that job just yet.
05:21But don't forget those names, because you're going to hear them again.
05:24Like, I don't want to...
05:26I'm not going to sell it as, like, he's going to be here for the next 10 years.
05:31But I'm not going to sit here and really give firm discussion to the possibilities that
05:36it could be let go.
05:37But if we don't think that this team's going to be very great, if we think it's going to
05:41be a five-to-six-win team, Daryl's willing to say eight.
05:44I'm just kidding.
05:44Daryl's the positive one on this show.
05:46If he wins eight games, he's staying.
05:48Like, that's fine.
05:48But if they win five or six games, the offense is still terrible.
05:52Like, yeah, if you haven't shown any progress, and I'm going to bring the other thing in.
05:59Depending on what you want to do at the quarterback position, that's a very powerful family.
06:06And I think a lot of people drew the same conclusions about the five-year rule change
06:10of the draft picks or what the Browns wanted to.
06:13I think that's one piece of it, which is the biggest piece.
06:16It's a very powerful family.
06:18They may very well decide.
06:21I mean, hell, the whole reason John Elway stayed out is because he didn't want to play
06:25for Frank Cush.
06:26And they may very well decide.
06:28You know what?
06:29Or they may very well like him.
06:31Bernie worked his way to the Browns.
06:33Yes, there's plenty of scenarios here where I think it'd be ridiculous.
06:38But, yeah, we got to go and we got to talk about what could possibly happen if it were
06:44to happen later on in the year.
06:46I think it is a possibility at some point because we all watch the NFL.
06:51We all know how the league works, man.
06:52You all know it.
06:54Todd Munkin's not going to be the head coach when they open the stadium in Brook Park.
06:57I'm convinced of that.
06:59I don't see him being here.
07:02I don't see Todd Munkin being the head coach when they open that stadium.
07:05Boy, I was calling you Mr. Positive.
07:06All of a sudden, I don't know if that's Mr. Positive.
07:08That's three years from now, Daryl.
07:112029, right?
07:12Four.
07:13Four seasons.
07:14Four seasons.
07:15Yeah, four seasons from now.
07:16They open it in the 29 season.
07:18Yeah.
07:18Correct.
07:1926, the 27, the 28, and then the 29.
07:22Well, yeah, but there's three seasons until season four, so it's three years.
07:25Three seasons.
07:26So he would be going into his fourth season.
07:28Right.
07:28I don't think he gets to a fourth season.
07:31Why not?
07:33I just, I just think that his job right now is to put this thing back together, and if he
07:43does win, then yes.
07:46But I'm not convinced that they're going to win at the level that will prompt them to stay the course.
07:57They thought they should have won seven or eight games this past year while scoring less than 17 points a
08:03game.
08:03Think about that for a second.
08:04They couldn't score 17 points per game, and they thought that they were a seven or eight win team.
08:10Well, they won five.
08:11I know.
08:12They should have beat Tennessee, and they should have beat the Jets.
08:15Right.
08:15You lost to two winless teams at the time, right?
08:19You're like Carson Wentz walking down the field in London, okay, in the final couple minutes of that game, and
08:27blew that one.
08:28So, now, I disagree with their premise.
08:31I think they're a five-win team, and they're miles away.
08:35But they feel, hey, should have won seven, eight games last season.
08:40So, I kind of feel like that is the bar for Todd Munkin this year.
08:43Go win those games this year that Kevin couldn't last year.
08:49That's the step forward.
08:50And then what's the next step after that?
08:52And then the next step after that would be next year, okay, get beyond seven, eight games.
08:59You've got to win mine maybe ten.
09:01You've got to show some linear progress here.
09:05I think the goal this year is to win the games you didn't win last year,
09:09and then the goal next year becomes now get beyond that, take that leap forward.
09:14And do you think that they can do that in that year, in 2027?
09:18I don't think so, only because I have them.
09:20So, that would make him a two-year head coach?
09:22Right, and that's why I said, I think this is a two-year plan.
09:26You see where you're at after the two years.
09:28If you're going in the direction where you feel good about things, he gets a third year.
09:32If not, then some of those names that we heard over the 24-day period,
09:37when they were doing their great head coaching odyssey,
09:40then you're going to hear those names come up again.
09:43Odyssey app, free Odyssey app.
09:44Do you agree with him?
09:45Do you agree with this?
09:48I don't know.
09:49I think it's closer to what Daryl thinks than the other, but I don't know that I can 100%
09:57agree with it.
09:58I do think Daryl's on to something.
10:00I think Daryl is on to something.
10:01And I'm not going to call him an idiot for that.
10:03Well, no.
10:04No.
10:04It's a fair enough opinion.
10:07That's what I'm thinking.
10:08I'm like, man, because it seems to be...
10:11It's like you thought it out, Daryl.
10:13They did not set out to hire him.
10:15You put thought into it.
10:16I did.
10:17And have a one-year thing and just fly by the seat of their pants.
10:20I don't think that they did that.
10:21And I think he will be more organized, and he will get at least two years.
10:24I think you're right about that, Daryl.
10:26The question is, does he get the third or the fourth?
10:29I think, also, it has a lot to do with where does Andrew Barry fit into all this as well?
10:35I think Barry's safe for at least two years.
10:38Does Barry make it to the new stadium?
10:40He had such a good draft last year.
10:43Nobody wants to hear you say that.
10:44You know that.
10:45But he did.
10:45Those are the facts.
10:47Now, he had awful drafts the previous four years, and that was my argument.
10:51Like, okay, great.
10:53You had one good year.
10:54What about the previous three to four that led you here?
10:56I just want to spin it a second, though.
10:59If Barry makes it to the new stadium, does Todd make it?
11:01Does that help Todd more?
11:05No, because I don't feel like that Andrew Barry and Todd Munkater joined at the hip
11:09the way they told us that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry were.
11:11Well, that might be a good deal.
11:12Does that make sense?
11:12I don't know if that.
11:13I think we saw that last.
11:15The day that they traded Joe Flacco, we all found out the hip was not as conjoined as it used
11:22to be.
11:22But I'm saying for four or five years, that's all we heard about
11:25was how Kevin and Andrew were joined at the hip.
11:27I think we're going to get a little more truthful now with Todd Munkin as the head coach.
11:31I think you're right about that.
11:34Which could be good for Todd, but it also could be bad for Todd.
11:36I'm so used to being aggrieved this morning.
11:38It might be fun for Cleveland Browns fans.
11:40Honestly, I got into a mode where I was so used to being mad and disagreeable
11:43with everything that people were saying that I'm like,
11:46no, Kenny, what Daryl's saying is making a lot of sense there.
11:48It's like, yeah, you get back on track this year,
11:51and then you go into next year, and if you can't get back on track
11:54or you can't get further next year.
11:56But the issue is what you just brought up with Andrew Barry.
11:58See, I don't want to be a liar.
12:00I don't want to be duplicitous here.
12:01Second time I've used that word today, I ain't going to do it again.
12:04I don't want to be conniving.
12:06But when you tell a Browns fan that his job has to be safe for two more years,
12:10I agree with you.
12:11I said the same thing.
12:14I also know that I don't know if I trust him to make that pick for that quarterback
12:17if things go haywire here with our quarterback situation right now.
12:20I don't know if I trust him to make the pick for the left tackle
12:23or the top wide receiver.
12:24As of right now, I don't trust him.
12:26I can only tell the truth.
12:27I don't trust them to make that choice.
12:29So if I don't trust him to make that choice, I still, and this is so greasy,
12:35I hate to do it like this, I have to make him believe that everything
12:39is going to be fine for the next two years
12:41because I don't want him coming to me with harebrained ideas.
12:44Eventually, you've got to be the owner.
12:46And when fans say they just want their owner to get out of it,
12:49it's just because the team's losing.
12:50Right.
12:51Okay?
12:51But when the team's losing, who do you want to take over to make the decisions
12:54to fire the coach, to fire the general manager,
12:56and to start trading this thing over?
12:58And to write the severance check.
12:59Yeah, exactly.
13:00And because, and we all, this is firmly believed about the trade and everything,
13:05about who put him up to it.
13:06And then, yeah, they went and they guaranteed it.
13:08But who put him up to it?
13:09People want Andrew Barry to pay for that.
13:11But you've got to step in to let him go.
13:13But you also have to know that who do you trust to make that decision?
13:17Browns fans don't trust him to make that decision.
13:19But I can't have him coming up to me with harebrained schemes
13:22to try to save this thing, to dig out of the problem that they have,
13:25which I keep preaching about.
13:26You mean like trading five years worth of draft picks?
13:28Oh, sorry.
13:29Too soon?
13:30But that isn't a dig out of the harebrained, or just a harebrained scheme
13:33because I'm going to bring in a guy and he's going to have no first-round draft picks
13:36or no draft picks over the next how many years?
13:39Five years?
13:40Well, is his career going to be five years?
13:43Is he going to get to the end of that by the time we can make picks?
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