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UH ON RECORD mula kay ICC Assistant to Counsel, Atty. Kristina Conti: “Ang hirap namang sabihing bangayang Marcos at Duterte ito...Pareho lang sila, walang ginawa, nag-imbestiga man, nasimulan pero hindi natapos.”
‘Yan ang on record na pahayag ni Atty. Conti tungkol sa war on drugs noon ng administrasyong Duterte na kinalaunan, inimbestigahan din ng kongreso.
Sinagot niya rin ON RECORD ang issue ng paglalabas ng pangalan ng ICC ng co-perpetrators sa kasong crimes against humanity pati ang nalalapit na confirmation of charges hearing ng dating pangulo.
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‘Yan ang on record na pahayag ni Atty. Conti tungkol sa war on drugs noon ng administrasyong Duterte na kinalaunan, inimbestigahan din ng kongreso.
Sinagot niya rin ON RECORD ang issue ng paglalabas ng pangalan ng ICC ng co-perpetrators sa kasong crimes against humanity pati ang nalalapit na confirmation of charges hearing ng dating pangulo.
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00:00Ang hirap namang sabihin, bangayang Marcos at Duterte ito, areho lang sila.
00:04Walang ginawa, nag-imbestiga man, nasimulan, pero hindi natapos.
00:12Nagbabalik mo ko na hirit, Pilipinas.
00:14Gising na, narito na ang mainit na issue binabantayan ng bayan,
00:17ang pagpangalan ng ICC o International Criminal Court
00:21sa walong co-perpetrators o kasabot-umano sa war on drugs
00:24ni dating Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte.
00:27Isang liguyan, bagong confirmation of charges hearing ng dating Pangulo
00:30kaugnay pa rin sa Kasom Crimes Against Humanity.
00:33Ano naman kaya ang reaksyon ng mga kababayan natin ukol dito?
00:37Kung meron namang napatunayan na talagang nadawit sila,
00:42again, kung sakaling magkakaroon man ng ruling,
00:44dapat dito pa rin sa sarili nating bansa.
00:46Kasi hindi na tayo sakop ng ICC.
00:49Kung kapatunayan na nagkasala sila,
00:52so bahala na po yung authorities po.
00:56na magkaroon sila po ng kaso.
00:58Kung meron naman siyang pagkakasala,
01:02edi dapat ibigay kung ano yung nararapat.
01:05Pero kung hindi naman,
01:07di pabalikin na lang siya rito.
01:13Yan po ang issue ng ating pag-uusapan,
01:15lilinawin at hihimayin.
01:18On record sa unang hirin.
01:20At yung umaga,
01:21makakausap po natin,
01:23ICC Assistant to Council,
01:24Attorney Cristina Conti.
01:25Attorney Conti, good morning.
01:26Welcome.
01:27Good morning.
01:28Attorney Conti, we're on record now.
01:31Attorney Chrissy,
01:32if I may call you that.
01:33Yan.
01:34Nakikita ko kasi yun ang tawag sa'yo.
01:35Malaking balitan itong weekend,
01:37yung panglalabas ang pangalan
01:38ng mga co-conspirators
01:40o co-perpetrators ba?
01:42Sa Crimes Against Humanity
01:44laban kay dating paulong Rodrigo Duterte.
01:46Bakit ba significant ito?
01:48Dati redacted,
01:49ngayon nilabas nila.
01:52Tingin ko,
01:53syempre nagulat yung karamihan
01:55kung sino-sino ang babanggitin.
01:58Tapos yung iba kasi,
01:59may manok kumbaga
02:00na gustong mailagay ang pangalan doon.
02:02So, ngayon naging malinaw
02:03kung anong itsura nung plano.
02:05At hindi yung gulat dahil
02:08hindi nila alam kung anong nangyari,
02:09kundi kung papaano pala talaga ito nangyari.
02:13Marami naman na,
02:15parang sa inisyal,
02:16Bato de la Rosa, alam na eh.
02:17Pero yung role ng iba
02:18at kung papaano na-implement,
02:21yun ang medyo bago.
02:22At yung isa sa bahagi ng mga biktima,
02:25yung isang kinagulat namin,
02:26in a sense,
02:27bakit hindi nalang
02:28sa confirmation of charges hearing ginawa?
02:30Yes.
02:31Para ang lapit na eh.
02:32Pero mukhang itong korte
02:34at yung parties mismo,
02:36parang ang sinasabi nila,
02:37bago yung hearing,
02:38dapat magkaroon na ng kalinawan.
02:40Hindi lang doon sa,
02:42kasi alam na ito ng depensa,
02:43last year pa.
02:44So, hindi lang para sa depensa,
02:46kundi para sa publiko.
02:47Kayo, hindi nyo pa alam,
02:48pero may hula kayo.
02:49Eight out of eight ba nakuha nyo yung mga,
02:51tama ba yung hula ninyo,
02:53more or less?
02:54Mas mahaba yung listahan namin eh.
02:55Kaya pumasok naman yung kalakhan.
02:58Attorney, isa-isay natin yung mga pangalan ha?
03:00De La Rosa, Go, Danau, Cascolan,
03:03Albayalde, Gueran, Lapeña, Taguirre.
03:05Kapag sinabi bang co-conspirator
03:08o tama ba?
03:09Co-perpetrator.
03:10Co-perpetrator.
03:11Pareho din ba yan ng co-accused?
03:13Or are they also going to be held accountable for a crime?
03:17Hindi siya kapareho ng co-accused
03:19dahil ang akusado,
03:20meron ng kaso na binuksan sa kanya sa ICC.
03:23Okay.
03:23Nga lang, bago buksan ng kaso sa ICC,
03:25kailangan maisuhan ka ng warrant of arrest.
03:29Sa ngayon, ang alam natin,
03:30wala pa ni isa sa kanila na may warrant of arrest.
03:34Bagaman, syempre,
03:36tinabalita na.
03:38At itong di umano warrant
03:41laban dun sa isa sa kanila,
03:42kay Senator Bato de la Rosa,
03:45ay matagal nang tinitingnan, sinisilip.
03:48Pero para wala pa nakakita, no?
03:50Meron daw iba,
03:51pero posible kasing sa ICC,
03:53at saka kahit naman sa Pilipinas,
03:55first, mag-i-issue,
03:56mag-a-apply ka muna ng warrant
03:58bago ka ma-issuehan ng warrant.
04:01Ang mag-a-apply nun ay ang prosecutor?
04:02Prosecutor.
04:03Kaya posibleng may papel kang nakita,
04:05pero ito yung draft ng application
04:08or yung application
04:10or draft nung issued,
04:12or issued na warrant
04:13or yung issued na warrant mismo.
04:16Hindi pa naging malinaw yan.
04:17At tanging yung ICC lang
04:19ang pwedeng magsabi na,
04:20ito, legit na ito.
04:21Kaya hintayin na lang natin.
04:23Kasi, alam niyo,
04:24ang hirap dito,
04:25kapag pinangunahan,
04:27ay baka lalong hindi matuloy,
04:28baka lalong hindi ma-arresto.
04:30So, ngayong napangalanan na itong walo,
04:33hindi necessarily,
04:35may or may not be arrested?
04:37May ano to,
04:38tinatawag na prosecutorial discretion.
04:40Okay.
04:41So, yung prosecutor,
04:42according sa strategy niya,
04:44na depende yan sa panahon,
04:47eh, pwede siyang any or all
04:50ang habulin niya.
04:52Usually, itong prosecutor,
04:54dito'n papasok yung discretion.
04:55Kasi sabi ng ICC,
04:56saklaw namin lahat ng tao
04:58na gumawa ng krimen
05:00na crimes against humanity and so forth.
05:03Pero, sabi ng prosecutor,
05:05masyado naman,
05:06masyado naman,
05:07sobra na kung lahat.
05:08Kaya,
05:09dun kami sa most responsible.
05:11Yung mga taong may kakaraan na
05:13pigilan
05:14o ipatigil
05:16yung krimen.
05:17So, yung pinaka-bosing,
05:19kumbaga.
05:20Attorney Creasy,
05:21kung may common sa maraming pangalan,
05:23especially the former police officers
05:24or former
05:26law enforcers,
05:28eh, yung Davao connection nila.
05:30Katunayan,
05:31yan yung count one
05:32sa DCC,
05:34yung mukhang doon,
05:35heavy yung ebidensya
05:36na nangahawak ng prosecution, ano?
05:38Oo, eh.
05:39Kasi,
05:40doon nagsimla.
05:41Kumbaga, eh, yung...
05:42As far back as 2011?
05:44As 2011,
05:45even 80s.
05:47Yun yung binabanggit kasi dito na,
05:48kaya lang,
05:49kaya 2011,
05:50kasi doon lang nagkaroon ng
05:51jurisdiction yung korte sa atin,
05:53doon lang tayo,
05:54kumbaga naging effective
05:56yung ICC,
05:57yung Rome Statute
05:58for the Philippines.
06:00So, yung
06:021980s pa,
06:03napatayan,
06:04di umano under the context pa
06:05ng Davao Death Squad.
06:06Sa totoo,
06:07yung pangalan na yun,
06:08hindi naman kay Duterte yun, eh.
06:10Iba ang term na
06:11ginamit nila noon.
06:12Okay.
06:12Pero niyakap na rin nila
06:14kasi,
06:14ayaw tawagin ng media,
06:15parang,
06:16Visaya term ito,
06:17pero parang
06:19S and F, ganyan.
06:20So, sabi niya,
06:21sige, DDS ang tawag.
06:22Dito, sige.
06:23So, yung DDS
06:25o Davao Death Squad,
06:26yung style nila
06:27ang na-implement
06:29nationwide later on.
06:31May konting
06:32changes lang
06:33kasi
06:33pumasok yung PNP
06:35ng mas malaki yung role.
06:37Okay.
06:38Attorney,
06:38itong mga
06:39nabanggit na pangalan,
06:40once upon a time,
06:41not so long ago,
06:42very high-ranking officials.
06:44In fact,
06:44two of them
06:45are incumbent
06:46and sitting senators
06:47of the republic.
06:48Paano ba ito
06:49dapat tingnan
06:49ng mga akusado
06:50at ano naman
06:51ang obligasyon
06:52ng Estado?
06:53How should they be treated?
06:55With due process.
06:57Definitely,
06:57that is the cornerstone
06:59of any proceeding.
07:01It has to be fair
07:02and the accused
07:03have to be given
07:04and afforded
07:05all their rights.
07:06And at this point,
07:07itong,
07:08kumbaga,
07:09pag quote-unquote,
07:10pag-akusa sa kanila,
07:11ay sa totoo,
07:13paglalatag lang kasi
07:14ng kwento
07:15ng akusasyon
07:16kay Duterte.
07:17Hindi pa ito
07:18akusasyon
07:19sa kanila.
07:19Of course,
07:20it hurts kasi
07:21bakit binanggit pa ako?
07:23Kaya lang kasi
07:24yung point of view
07:26ng ICC
07:26sa point of view
07:28ng ginawa yung krimen.
07:30Imposibling ikwento
07:32yung ginawa ni Duterte
07:33nang hindi sinasali
07:35yung pangalan nila.
07:36Okay.
07:38Yung nabanggitin nyo,
07:40hindi pa naman sila akusado,
07:41wala pa tayong katiyakan
07:42kung may waran so faras nga.
07:44So sa ngayon,
07:45ang Pilipinas
07:46ay hindi na miyembro
07:47ng ICC
07:48so wala tayong obligasyon
07:49to give up the 8
07:50or should the ICC
07:53require it?
07:54Wala tayong gano'ng obligasyon.
07:55Ako yung argument ko,
07:56we have.
07:57We have the
07:58continuing obligation
08:00to cooperate
08:00with the ICC
08:01investigation.
08:02Kahit hindi na tayo miyembro?
08:03Kahit hindi na.
08:04Kasi nasimula noon.
08:05Ito nga yung issue
08:06ng jurisdiction.
08:07May patuloy pa bang
08:09jurisdiction yung ICC
08:10sa atin
08:11kahit umexit na tayo.
08:12Ang sabi ng
08:14pre-trial chamber,
08:15napagpasyahan na eh.
08:16Sabi yung pre-trial chamber
08:18para po itong
08:18regional trial court
08:19so mas mababang korte.
08:21Nakatungtong na ito ngayon
08:22sa kanilang appeals chamber
08:23o parang supreme court.
08:25Okay.
08:25Sabi ng pre-trial chamber,
08:27may jurisdiction pa,
08:28nagpapatuloy
08:29yung jurisdiction
08:30sa maliit na portion lang.
08:32Sa investigation
08:33na crimes against humanity
08:35committed between 2011
08:36until 2019
08:38in the context of the...
08:40Kung baga,
08:40wala ka nang ibang sisilipin pa.
08:42Wala ka nang ibang sisilipin pa.
08:44Nagdamin tatanong,
08:45pwede bang i-ICC yung corruption?
08:48Eh,
08:48hindi pa nasisilip yan
08:49ng ICC
08:50nung miyembro tayo.
08:51Kaya,
08:52mahihirapan.
08:53Pero parang ganun,
08:54ang konteksto ay
08:56the jurisdiction is there
08:57and therefore,
08:58we need to
08:59continue cooperating.
09:00Okay.
09:01Daku tayo sa confirmation
09:02of charges hearing
09:03na mangyayari
09:04in exactly one week.
09:05Attorney,
09:05you are assistant to council.
09:07Pakipaliwana nga briefly,
09:08ano ba ang role
09:09and involvement ninyo
09:10sa magaganap
09:10in the coming days?
09:11So, una,
09:12ang assistant to council
09:13ay abogado
09:15na pwede mag-appear
09:16sa ICC
09:16na a-assiste sa council.
09:19Ganun lang.
09:20Marami po kami,
09:21mahigit 1,500
09:23councils and assistants
09:24to councils
09:25across the world.
09:26Okay.
09:26But you need to have a case.
09:28In the case
09:29against Duterte,
09:30sa Pilipinas,
09:32abogado na ako
09:32ng mga biktima
09:33simulat sa pool.
09:35Sa binubuong legal team
09:37ng common legal representatives,
09:40may mga espasyo dyan
09:41na pwedeng,
09:42siguro,
09:43tingnan natin
09:44kung papaano
09:44makaka-eksena.
09:46Pero sa minimum,
09:48representante po pa rin ako
09:49ng mga biktima
09:50dito sa Pilipinas
09:51at kung may gustong pumunta doon,
09:53kailangang samahan.
09:55Attorney,
09:56napang kita sa isang interview,
09:57sabi mo,
09:57wala ka ng nakikitang dahilan
09:59bukod sa isang snowstorm
10:00para tingilan itong
10:02confirmation of charges.
10:03Why is that?
10:03And please walk us through
10:04the process.
10:05Ano ba mangyayari
10:06sa Feb 23?
10:08Wala nang,
10:09kung maga,
10:10nakalista na,
10:11na-checklist na.
10:12O, na-check,
10:13o, na-check gawa na to.
10:14O, ito,
10:14nagawa na to.
10:15So, wala nang malaki pang
10:17insidente na pwede.
10:19Kaya yung mga,
10:20kasi hindi naman,
10:21you cannot be really sure.
10:22Pero yun nga,
10:23snowstorm or
10:24force majeure.
10:26In fact,
10:26we should point out na,
10:27na-delay na ho ito,
10:29no?
10:29Na-delay na.
10:30At nagamit na yung bala,
10:32quote-unquote,
10:33yung bala na,
10:34he is unfit to stand trial.
10:36Yes.
10:36Hindi na rin,
10:37mukhang hindi na rin
10:38uusad yung
10:39apela tungkol doon.
10:41Kaya,
10:41de-deny lang yung
10:42request for leave to appeal.
10:44Ngayon,
10:45sa confirmation of charges,
10:46ang tanong lang naman ay,
10:47ano ba yung charges?
10:49Ano ang saklaw
10:50ng kaso
10:51laban kay Duterte?
10:52Hindi naman kung
10:53guilty siya o hindi.
10:55Mas importante dito yung
10:57ano ba ang nangyari
10:58at bakit siya inaakusahan?
11:01First step ito,
11:03pero malaki.
11:04Kasi hindi pa ito
11:05ever nasisili.
11:06Maski sa Pilipinas eh.
11:08Laging ang usap natin ay,
11:10may war on drugs,
11:10may war on drugs,
11:11tama ba yung pulisiya?
11:12Ito ba yung kahalitulad
11:14ng arraignment
11:15sa proseso natin
11:16dito sa Pilipinas?
11:17Ganun ba yun?
11:18Babasahan ng sakdal
11:18yung nasasakdal hindi?
11:20Hindi rin eh.
11:21Kasi sa dulo nun,
11:22guilty or not guilty.
11:24Umaamin o hindi.
11:25Walang ganun ngayon.
11:26In fact,
11:27pwede nga siyang umabsent eh.
11:29Malinaw pa yun,
11:29waiver of the appearance
11:30of the accused
11:31during confirmation of
11:34charges hearing.
11:35Kasi pre-trial
11:36pa lang ito.
11:37Hindi pa trial.
11:38Ang tanong pa lang,
11:39along charges eh.
11:40At dito sa hearing na ito,
11:42pag-uusapan,
11:43una,
11:43sasabihin ni prosecutor,
11:44ito ang inihahain
11:46kong reklamo.
11:47Yung DCC,
11:49yung kaka-disclose lang na
11:50with the names,
11:52document containing the charges,
11:54ilalatag niya yung kwento,
11:55tatablahin,
11:56kumbaga,
11:57ng defense.
11:58At sa dulo nito,
11:59yun lang,
12:00wala pang desisyon yung korte.
12:01Okay.
12:02About two months after,
12:05saka pa pwedeng sabihin
12:06ng korte,
12:06yes,
12:07we confirm,
12:07yes,
12:08or no,
12:09we do not confirm,
12:10or kulang pa,
12:11ayusin niyo ng korte.
12:12And from there,
12:12we move to trial.
12:14Kung papayagan,
12:15kung i-co-confirm ang charges,
12:17yes,
12:17we move to trial.
12:18Leading to this,
12:19mga developments then,
12:20yung pagpapadisqualify
12:21sa mga abogado,
12:22kaya Atty. Butuya,
12:23Atty. Andres,
12:24at sa pagpayagan sa 500 applicants
12:25o stand as victims,
12:27unahin natin yung tungkol
12:28sa pagpapadisqualify
12:29sa mga abogado,
12:30Atty.
12:30Ano ba ang senaryo dito?
12:31And why is it,
12:34what's in it for them,
12:35ika nga,
12:36pag na-disqualify
12:37itong mga abogado?
12:38Mahirap pagsalita dyan.
12:40Of course,
12:40the defense strategy
12:42at magkakaroon ng pagkakataon
12:44na magsalita
12:45yung mga abogado
12:47na tinukoy
12:48dahil hindi naman,
12:49due process nga eh,
12:51hindi naman basta-basta
12:52magpapasya yung ICC
12:53sa simpleng healing
12:55ng depensa.
12:57At importante na
12:58merong abogado
12:59para sa mga biktima.
13:01539 ang na-qualify.
13:03Gulat kami.
13:04Ang bilis ng ICC din ah,
13:06na mag-review
13:07kasi nung una,
13:08half 29 ang in-approve.
13:10Susunod,
13:11yung sampu daw
13:12na nasa group C,
13:13so may group A, B, C,
13:15ganyan.
13:15Naging 39.
13:17Aba,
13:17pagpatak ng
13:18Tuesday,
13:19Thursday,
13:20Friday,
13:20500,
13:21tinanggap na.
13:22February 9
13:23ang submission
13:25ng 500 documents.
13:27February 13,
13:28aba,
13:28aprobado na.
13:29Kaya para sa amin,
13:31importanteng marinig
13:32yung boses
13:33ng 539.
13:34So, authority,
13:35isa-isa,
13:36are these cases
13:37going to be
13:37tackled individually
13:38or collectively?
13:40Collectively.
13:40Hindi po required
13:42na,
13:42kumbaga,
13:43litisin yung kaso nila.
13:44Kasi,
13:45kumbaga,
13:46sa punto ng ICC,
13:47ang role nyo dyan,
13:48hindi para patunayan yung krimen.
13:50Ang role nyo dyan,
13:52para sabihin sa amin
13:52kung anong nararamdaman nyo.
13:54May ilan,
13:55nakukunin po
13:56bilang witness.
13:58So,
13:58merong victim witness,
14:00tapos merong
14:00participating victim.
14:03Itong 539,
14:04participating victims,
14:05magbibigay ng views
14:06and concerns.
14:07Attorney,
14:08yung fitness to stand trial
14:09ng Pangulo,
14:10ng dating Pangulo,
14:11mukhang wala ng puwang
14:11para i-appela ng depensa.
14:13Mukhang wala na eh,
14:14kasi na-deny yung request
14:16for leave to appeal
14:17the charges.
14:19Of course,
14:19may iba pang paraan
14:20para,
14:21kumbaga,
14:21buhayin yun.
14:22Pero,
14:23sa ngayon,
14:23hindi na kasi sila
14:24makakatuntong
14:25sa appeals chamber
14:26sa issue na yun.
14:28By the very nature
14:29of this case
14:30and the persons involved
14:31are heavily charged
14:32politically ito eh.
14:34Main personality involved,
14:36former President Duterte.
14:37Ngayon naman,
14:38pinangalanan,
14:39mga personalities
14:39identified with him.
14:41Ang tanong marahil
14:42ng mga kamabayan natin ngayon,
14:43hindi ba gumagalaw
14:44ang gobyerno rito?
14:45At kumabot na ba sa ICC
14:47yung bangayang
14:48Marcos at Duterte?
14:50Ang hirap namang sabihin
14:52bangayang Marcos at Duterte to.
14:53Kasi panahon pa ni Duterte,
14:55ito umakyat.
14:56At kung meron mang gobyerno
14:58na hindi gumalaw
14:59o administrasyon,
15:01administrasyon ni Duterte yun.
15:02Nagsimula ang proseso,
15:04kumagat ang lahat,
15:052018,
15:06panahon pa ni Duterte.
15:08Kaya kung merong tinutukoy
15:09na hindi nag-investiga,
15:10sila yun.
15:11Yung kay Marcos,
15:13mas we could have
15:15prevented further investigation.
15:17Pero later na yun eh,
15:192022.
15:20At nung nasilip,
15:21kulang din naman
15:22yung ginawa niya.
15:23Nagpakwadkom,
15:24pero wala namang
15:25investigasyon
15:26na patungo
15:26ng prosecution.
15:27Kaya pareho lang sila.
15:30Walang ginawa,
15:32nag-imbestiga man,
15:33nasimulan,
15:34pero hindi natapos.
15:35Mukhang dito sa ICC,
15:37mas klaro na
15:39may masisimulan
15:40at may matatapos.
15:42And this is the road
15:43to justice
15:43that the victims,
15:45their families,
15:46wanted for a very long time.
15:48Yes, actually,
15:49ang ano namin,
15:50isa lang.
15:51Hindi naman kami
15:51asang-asa dito sa ICC
15:53kasi ang hirap nun,
15:54di ba,
15:55na hindi din kami talaga
15:56buong-buong pamilyar
15:58sa isang institution
15:59na sa totoo,
16:00sa isang banda,
16:01ay political din.
16:03At in fact,
16:04yung pagsali sa ICC
16:06ay isang political action.
16:08At ngayon,
16:09under attack yung korte.
16:10Kaya nakaabang din kami,
16:12pero ito ay isang avenue.
16:13Kung nagbukas ang pintuang ito,
16:15pinasok na namin ito.
16:17Attorney Conti,
16:18maraming maraming salamat
16:19sa pagpapaliwana.
16:20Salamat, ingat.
16:21Nakausap po natin
16:22Attorney Christina Conti.
16:24Mga kapuso,
16:25bantayan po natin
16:25ang mangyayari
16:26sa mga susunod na araw.
16:27Ang confirmation of charges
16:29inaabangan po
16:29ng marami,
16:31lalo na
16:32yung pamilya
16:33ng mga biktima.
16:34Mga kapuso,
16:35mga isyo pinag-uusapan,
16:36lilinawin at ihimayin natin
16:37on record
16:38sa unang hirin.
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