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Nagsimula na ang impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte. Linawin at himayin natin ang nangyari sa day 1 ng impeachment trial.
Sa UH On Record, ipinaliwanag ni UP College of Law Associate Dean at Assistant Professor Atty. Paolo Tamase kung bakit mahalagang alamin kung totoo ang mga alegasyon at kung sapat ang mga ito para ma-impeach ang Bise Presidente.
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Sa UH On Record, ipinaliwanag ni UP College of Law Associate Dean at Assistant Professor Atty. Paolo Tamase kung bakit mahalagang alamin kung totoo ang mga alegasyon at kung sapat ang mga ito para ma-impeach ang Bise Presidente.
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00:00Is it true that these allegations are true?
00:02Because if it's true, it should be able to go to the place.
00:06So, it should be the framing of the Maman Mayan moving forward
00:11regardless of what the opening statement is.
00:13When it's in the Senado itself,
00:16when it's in the House of Representatives,
00:18when it's in the Decision of Resentance,
00:19when it's in the Maman Mayan,
00:21what are the values that are worth to us.
00:24So, it's good for everyone.
00:30Ano naman kaya ang opinion ng mga kapuso natin
00:32sa naganap na impeachment trial na yan kahapon?
00:36Pag sa akin, okay naman para malaman yung kung ano yung totoo.
00:39Alam ko naman na wala talagang may bubutas sa kami.
00:43Kung siyang matakot, kung wala talaga siyang kasalanan,
00:46hindi, wala.
00:47Kung meron, dapat sanagot siya
00:50kasi sa taong bayan siya may kasalanan.
00:52It is right na dapat siyang dumasa in impeachment trial
00:56pero it is also a sign na dapat it should not be selective.
01:01So, dapat din tayo mag-yumulat na dapat ba siya lang
01:04o baka naman meron pang iba.
01:06I agree na ma-impeach si Sarah Duterte
01:09since hindi ko rin nakikita kung ano yung progress
01:13ng kanyang mga plataforma.
01:16As a Vice President of the Philippines,
01:18I agree with that na ma-impeach siya.
01:23What's next sa impeachment trial?
01:26Yan ang pag-uusapan natin, lilinawin at hihimayin on record
01:29sa unang hirit.
01:30At mga kaparayan po natin,
01:32Assistant Dean ng UP Faculty of Law,
01:35Atty. Paolo Tomase.
01:36Atty, again, thank you for joining us.
01:39Good morning, Ibrahim.
01:40Atty.
01:41Atty. Tomase, we are on record now.
01:43Day one of what could be months of trial,
01:47Atty. Pero mahalaga nasimulan na sa wakas.
01:49Ang sabi nga ng prosecution, this is already a victory
01:52that we have been able to commence
01:55with a process to seek accountability.
01:57Agree ba kayo dito, Atty?
01:58Pakipaliwanag sa ating mga manonood
02:00kung bakit mahalaga na nasimulan na itong impeachment trial.
02:04So, agree ako definitely
02:06na mahalaga na nasimulan na yung pag-impeach na ito.
02:09Siguro, maganda yung sinabi din,
02:11Atty. Paolo, spokesperson ng defense ka.
02:14Hindi din naman maganda na
02:16tignan natin yung bawat araw na may nanalo ba
02:18o may natalo.
02:19Yes.
02:19Makaka yung proseso na ito.
02:21So, hindi siya laban
02:23ang isa dun sa 90 na testigo na magpapakita.
02:27Pero maganda na na simulan na
02:29last year pa kasi natin inantay
02:31na magsimula itong trial na ito
02:33laban sa mga seryosong allegasyon
02:35laban sa vice president.
02:36At gaya ng mga sinabi ng inyong mga kapuson
02:39sa kanilang mga interview,
02:43mahalaga na mabigyan ng katakataon
02:45hindi lang na makita yung ebidensya
02:47laban kay vice president sa anak
02:49kung di makita din yung depensa niya.
02:50And ito na yung pag-initiis na ito.
02:53Pero attorney, yung pinakinabangan
02:55kung darating ba si VP Sara,
02:57what do you make of VP Sara not attending?
03:01Hindi ko masyadong i-overlead yung
03:03ibig niya pagdalo sa kasaysayan naman
03:05natin sa mga impeachment trials.
03:07Hindi talaga traditionally lumadalo
03:09yung nasasakdali
03:10or yung respondent sa impeachment.
03:12And yung only time na nakita natin
03:13yung isang respondent na
03:16nagpakita sa Senado
03:17ay yung testimonya na mismo
03:19ng Chief Justice Corona
03:20sa kanyang impeachment trial.
03:21Malayo pa tayo dun sa punto ngayon
03:23at hindi natin alam
03:24kung titastigo sa VP Sara
03:26para sa kanyang depensa.
03:28But mas mahalaga at this point
03:30na makita ko ano yung ebidensya
03:31na iyahain ng kanyang mga abogado
03:33at kung paano nila bubutasin
03:35yung ebidensya ng prosecution.
03:37Ang naging initial salvo, attorney,
03:39yung issue on who should preside.
03:41Naalala ko in a previous interview,
03:43tinanong ko kayo
03:43kung mahalaga ba ang abogado
03:45ang mag-preside.
03:46And you said no.
03:47In this particular case,
03:48yung mga kayatano sa Senado,
03:50very clear sa kanilang posisyon,
03:52pakipaliwanag ang attorney
03:53in two ways itong tanong na ito,
03:55legal and political.
03:56Sa puntong legal,
03:57may basihan ba yung iginigiit
03:59ng mga kayatano
04:00that the Senate President
04:01should be the presiding officer?
04:03Unequivocal ba ang saligang batas
04:04tungkol dito, attorney?
04:07Unayan ko siguro yung political aspect.
04:09Ayoko.
04:10Inulit ko yung last ko na sinabi dito
04:12sa programa niya
04:13na hindi kailangan abogado
04:15mag-preside sa isang impeachment.
04:17Yung proseso na ito,
04:18originally designed siya
04:19upang maipalaganap
04:21ng isang tao
04:21na hindi nag-adal sa batas.
04:23Minsan,
04:24yung legal training
04:25might actually
04:26baka palabuin pa niya
04:28para sa mamamayaan
04:29po ang nagaganap
04:30sa proseso na iyon.
04:31But,
04:32on the legal side,
04:34I think wala din
04:35nagpapahinto,
04:36wala namang kumitigil
04:37sa saligang batas natin
04:39sa senabi
04:40na maghalal
04:40ng ibang presiding officer.
04:42So, traditionally,
04:43Pangulo talaga
04:44ng Senado,
04:45Senate President talaga
04:46ng senabi
04:46yung nampamalakan
04:47sa proseso na ito.
04:48Pagpagtinignan natin
04:49yung saligang batas
04:50natin mismo,
04:51ang nire-regulate lang niya
04:53ay yung impeachment trial
04:54ng isang Pangulo.
04:55Kung hindi naman Pangulo
04:56yung on trial
04:57gaya nito,
04:57yung Vice President,
04:59then,
04:59malawak yung
05:00kapangyarihan ng Senado,
05:02batay din sa
05:02constitutional power nila
05:03na magtakda
05:04ng kanilang
05:05sariling patakaran
05:06na magtalaga
05:07ng sarili nilang presiding officer.
05:09So, nabanggit natin
05:10mag-delis
05:10yung sinabi nila
05:11ni Sen. Allen
05:12at ni Sen. Tia
05:13kayatano kahapon
05:14na intent di umano
05:15ng framers ito.
05:16Pero una,
05:17tumitingin lamang tayo
05:19sa intent
05:19ng framers
05:20kung may malabo
05:20sa teksto.
05:21At wala pong kalabuan
05:22sa teksto.
05:23Yung kahit pahimikan po
05:24ng teksto
05:25ng sanigang batas,
05:27binabasa po natin yan
05:28na permission
05:29sa Senado
05:30o sa kung anumang katawan.
05:32And,
05:32ang rule po kasi
05:33is what is not prohibited
05:34is allowed.
05:35Yung position yung
05:36pagbabasa natin
05:37sa ating sanigang batas.
05:39And,
05:39in any event,
05:40pag binasa po natin
05:42ng malinaw
05:43o ng mabuti
05:44yung
05:45yung diskurso
05:46doon sa
05:47Constitutional Commission
05:48yung gabate
05:49ng framers,
05:50hindi naman po ganoon
05:51karinaw.
05:52Yung
05:53na nagkaroon ng away
05:54in the first place
05:55of call dito.
05:56Para may proposal
05:57lamang po
05:57na what if ganito natin
05:59yung fration
05:59sa sanigang batas.
06:00Tapos, ultimately,
06:01winidraw din yung proposal
06:02na ito.
06:04Kaya,
06:05meron kaya
06:06kinalaman dito
06:07yung fact that,
06:08it is Escudero
06:09that's presiding.
06:10Ano kaya
06:11ang pinanggagalingan
06:12ng oposisyon
06:13ng minorya
06:14at ano naman
06:14ang pinanggagalingan
06:15ng pag-push ng mayorya
06:17na si Escudero
06:18mag-preside?
06:19Siguro,
06:20mas madaling
06:21wala namang
06:22explanation
06:22on either side.
06:23Mas madaling
06:24i-decipher
06:27yung
06:27kung bakit gusto
06:28ng mayorya
06:29theoretically
06:30dahil abogado
06:31si Senator Purchese.
06:32And,
06:33while may iba pang
06:33abogado sa mayorya
06:35baka nagkaroon
06:35ng agreement
06:37within the majority
06:38na si Senator Purchese
06:39yung mag-preside.
06:41To that extent,
06:42justifiable yun.
06:43If palagay ng Senado
06:44sa wisdom niya,
06:46sa policy making niya
06:48na mas mabuti na abogado
06:49yung magpamalakan sa trial,
06:51baga man hindi kailangan
06:52abogado,
06:53then,
06:53dapat respetuhin natin
06:54yung desisyon na iyon
06:55ng Senado
06:56dahil hindi naman siya
06:57pinagbabawal
06:58ng Senado ng batas.
06:59On the part of the minority,
07:00hindi rin naman akong
07:02makaspeculate
07:02kung bakit kaya nila
07:03gusto si
07:04or bakit ayaw nila
07:05na magpalit
07:06ng presiding officer.
07:07I don't think necessarily
07:08na dahil
07:09si Senado Purchese yun
07:10dahil kaalyada naman
07:11ni Senado Purchese yung
07:12mga magpapatid
07:14na kayatano dun
07:14sa nakaraang Kongreso.
07:16So,
07:16I don't think personal animosity
07:17siya.
07:18Right.
07:18But, I think
07:19ang ultimate effect
07:20kasi nung nangyari kahapon
07:21ay buti na lang
07:22natigil yun.
07:24Parang,
07:25madidisillusion na naman
07:25tayo sa proseso
07:26na kasi simula pa lang
07:28ng trial,
07:29technicalidad na naman
07:30at wala na naman tayong
07:31nakilang evidencia.
07:32So, mabuti na lang
07:33na parang lumayo tayo
07:34wala dun sa posibilidad
07:35na iyon.
07:36Pag-usapan natin,
07:37attorney,
07:37yung opening statements.
07:38Si House Lead Prosecutor
07:40Jervie Luizro,
07:41as expected,
07:42framed this under
07:43the lens of accountability.
07:45Please break it down
07:45for us.
07:46Ano ba naging key issues
07:47raised by the prosecution
07:48and why do you think
07:49ito ang kanilang
07:50binigyan diin?
07:52I think,
07:53pag-tilig din yung opening statement
07:54ng prosecution.
07:55Ang sinubukan nila
07:56ganyan ay itali
07:57una yung narratibo,
07:58no?
07:59Kung dapat pa papagkakiwalaan
08:00si Vice President Duterte,
08:02yung specifics
08:03nun,
08:03makikita natin sa pag-inigis
08:05in the next nine days.
08:06Okay.
08:07Iba kasi yung laway
08:08ng prosecution,
08:09yung opening statement
08:10nila,
08:10dun sa prueba,
08:12sa statements na iyon.
08:13But yung isa din na
08:14nabanggit ni Senator,
08:16sorry,
08:16yung Congresswoman Luizro
08:17kahapon ay,
08:18yung pinatlayan niya
08:19i-justify
08:20kung bakit
08:21sa dami ng problema
08:22ng Pilipinas
08:23ay mahalaga itong
08:24impeachment.
08:25And I think,
08:25naggawa naman nila
08:26yung kaso na iyon.
08:28Yung kaming kasi
08:29na kritis mo sa impeachment
08:30ay nakakain ba yan?
08:32Yes.
08:32And I think,
08:32nasagot nila,
08:33na importante yung,
08:34una sa lahat,
08:35hindi pipitsugin yung amounts
08:36na involved dito,
08:37baga mga may mas malaking
08:38flood control issue,
08:39malaki yung 700 million
08:41if ever na totoo yun.
08:42Mm-hmm.
08:43Generally,
08:44yung value ng pananagutan
08:45sa pamahalaan,
08:46kailangan makita yan
08:47at the very top
08:48sa Pangulo,
08:49Vice President,
08:50et cetera,
08:51upang magkaroon din
08:52ang senyali sa reks
08:53ng gobyerno na,
08:54dapat mabuting pamamalakan
08:55ang ginagawa natin.
08:57Yes.
08:58Sa panig ng Depensa,
09:00attorney,
09:00kapansin-pansin na
09:01makailang beses silang
09:02pinalutang yung
09:03Supreme Court decision
09:04na pumabor sa vice
09:06na ang akusado sa trial
09:08inihalal ng 32 million
09:09Filipinos
09:10and that this is
09:12political persecution
09:13all with the end goal
09:14na patalsikin ang vice.
09:15Again,
09:15please break it down
09:16for us,
09:17yung mga punto
09:17na nirase ng Depensa.
09:19I think dual
09:20yung strategy ng
09:21Depensa,
09:22yung opening statement
09:23ng una,
09:25tinatrayan nila
09:25yung pakita na
09:26kung batas ang pag-uusapan,
09:27ayon sa kanila,
09:29parang angat si
09:29Vice President Duterte
09:30at ilang beses
09:31nga nila nabanggit
09:32yung desisyon
09:33ng Court Suprema.
09:34Siguro,
09:34ang mahalaga lang
09:35na pag-inigaw doon ay,
09:36hindi po nag-rule
09:38yung Court Suprema
09:39in favor of
09:40yung merits.
09:41Yung usapin ba talaga
09:42na totoo po ba
09:43itong mga allegasyon
09:44naman
09:45kay Vice President Duterte.
09:47Teknikalidad po
09:48yung pinag-usapan
09:49ng Court Suprema
09:50na desisyon.
09:51But,
09:52isa din siyang
09:52papapakita na
09:53sa haba po
09:54nung desisyon na iyon,
09:54sa dami ng sinabi doon.
09:56Parang,
09:57marami ka talagang
09:57pwedeng pulutin
09:58for either side action
09:59para tulungan
10:01yung posisyon mo.
10:02But,
10:03pagdating naman doon
10:04sa political persecution
10:05angle,
10:05I think,
10:06I mean,
10:07in line naman to doon
10:08sa sinasabing
10:09ng Vice President Duterte,
10:11mula nung nagsimula
10:12itong proseso na ito,
10:13na parang isa siyang pamamaraan
10:15na natanggalin siya
10:16sa pwesto.
10:16I think, hindi po
10:17in question,
10:18na yun po talaga
10:19yung purpose
10:19ng impeachment na ito.
10:21But, I think,
10:21ang mas mahalagang tanong
10:22para sa taong bayan ay
10:24totoo ba
10:24yung mga allegations
10:26na ito?
10:27Kasi kung totoo nga,
10:28dapat po ba siyang
10:29matanggal sa pwesto?
10:30So, yun po yung
10:31dapat na framing ng
10:33mamamayan
10:34moving forward
10:35regardless of
10:36kung ano yung opening
10:37statement.
10:37And, mas exciting
10:39therefore,
10:39mas important sa atin
10:40na makita kung ano
10:41na yung evidensya
10:43na meron yung prosecution
10:44at ano yung sagot,
10:46ano yun naman yung
10:46dependsa
10:47mong respond then.
10:48May na-sense
10:49ho ba kayong parang
10:50nagbigay ng babala
10:51ang depensa
10:52sa mga
10:53senator judges?
10:54Kasi, they are pointing out
10:56na itong
10:57ini-impeach ninyo,
10:58pinatatalsik ninyo
10:59ay binoto ng
11:0032 million Filipinos
11:01and that the
11:02Filipino people
11:03does not forget.
11:04Meron ho ba kayong
11:05na-sense na ganyan
11:06na parang
11:07babala,
11:08na, oy,
11:08huwag niyong iya-ano to
11:10dahil magsasuffer
11:11kayo politically?
11:13I guess,
11:15no,
11:15ay posible po naman po yun
11:16na parang
11:17di naman po siya threat
11:18pero parang paalala
11:19sa kanila na
11:19popular
11:20itong official na ito
11:22na kinakalaban
11:23sa impeachment
11:24at paalalahanin
11:26ng mamamayan
11:26kung paano
11:27kayo buboto dito.
11:28Well,
11:28maganda po siyang paalala
11:29sa ating mga senador
11:30dahil hindi lamang po
11:3132 million
11:32yung mga votante.
11:34Mas malaki naman po
11:35sa 32 million.
11:36Mas malaki po yung
11:36sektor natin.
11:38Nagbabantay na
11:39ano po ba talaga
11:40or paano niyong pamamalakad
11:41itong trial na ito?
11:43Yes.
11:43So, tama naman po na
11:44sa impeachment trials
11:46kasi kadalasan
11:47yung isip natin
11:47na paglilitis lang siya
11:48ng isang impeachable officer.
11:50But actually,
11:51paglilitis siya
11:51ng Senado mismo,
11:53paglilitis siya
11:54ng House of Representatives
11:55sa decision
11:55na sa impeachment,
11:57at paglilitis din siya
11:57lang mamamayan
11:58kung ano po ba
11:59yung mga values
12:00na mahalaga sa atin.
12:01So, maganda siyang paalala
12:02for everyone.
12:03And I think
12:04on the 32 million issue,
12:06hindi po kasi
12:07yung usually
12:08or maybe never
12:09po siya na
12:10pariniso
12:11para gumawa ng
12:12hindi mabuti sa pamahalaan.
12:15Yung 32 million po
12:15na boto na yun
12:16ay 2022.
12:182026 na po.
12:20At in the last
12:21four years,
12:22atas po
12:22para sa mamamayan
12:23na magtanong
12:24through their representatives
12:25sa Kongreso
12:26kung nag-gampanan po ba
12:28or na-violate po
12:30nung isang impeachable officer
12:32yung kanyang panomentang.
12:33Pag-usapan natin,
12:34mga ebidensya attorneys,
12:35sa ngayon pa lang,
12:36kampante na ang prosecution,
12:37malakas sa kanilang kaso.
12:38Ang sinasabi naman
12:39ng depensa,
12:41patunayan nyo.
12:41Kung sinong nag-akusa,
12:42sila ang dapat magpatunay.
12:44What do you make
12:45of these arguments?
12:46Ang tanong e,
12:47do the pieces of evidence
12:48from both sides
12:49still matter?
12:50E ngayon pa lang po,
12:51ang linaw na ng linye e.
12:52Pabor at kontra
12:53sa bisi.
12:55I think it matters.
12:57Pag binalikan natin
12:58yung kasinsayan natin,
12:59lahat ng impeachment,
13:01nagsimulan naman na
13:02iba yung alliances
13:03o iba yung motto
13:04na perception
13:05ng publiko.
13:06Pero over time,
13:08over the trial,
13:09habang namanabas yung ebidensya,
13:11habang nakikita yung mga numero
13:12at yung mga dokumento,
13:14nagpapalit ng isip.
13:15Yung senator judges natin mismo
13:17at makikita mo yan din
13:18sa impeachment
13:18ng Chief Justice Corona.
13:20May mga tao
13:22na personally
13:22sympathetic
13:23kay Chief Justice
13:24na naniniwala
13:25na hinabol talaga siya
13:26ng nakaraang
13:27administrasyon,
13:28pero wala silang choice.
13:29Ba't bumoto para sa
13:30conviction niya?
13:31Kasi, ayon sa kanila,
13:32malinaw naman yung hindi niya
13:33pagdedepera sa salay
13:34ng milliones.
13:36Ano mo naman
13:36sasabihin sa mga mamaya
13:37na hindi totoo yun,
13:39eh hindi naman siya
13:40na
13:40na-contraveen
13:42sa trial mismo.
13:44So,
13:44mahalag na pa rin yung ebidensya
13:46kahit mayroong
13:46mga initialize.
13:47Kung gusto niyong simulan
13:49na initialize,
13:49yung 28 na boto
13:50para sa presiding officer,
13:53hindi po bigsabihin
13:55na 28 po yan
13:56at the end.
13:57Pwede pong less,
13:59opo,
13:59pwede pong more
14:00para sa conviction,
14:02pwede pong less
14:02para sa conviction.
14:03And I think,
14:04dapat bigyan natin
14:05ng espasyo
14:07yung ating mga
14:07senator judges
14:08na mag-desisyon
14:10ayon sa kanilang moralidad,
14:13ayon sa ebidensya,
14:14dahil yun lamang din po
14:16yung expectation natin
14:17sa ating saligong batas
14:18at kung paano
14:19nag-develop itong proseso
14:20ng impeachment sa Pilipinas.
14:22Gusto ko itanong itong
14:23mahiwagang BIR box,
14:24attorney.
14:25Ano ba ang significance ito
14:26and why is it important?
14:28Ano naman ang epekto
14:29na ito'y pinababalik
14:30ng impeachment court?
14:31So, hindi pa natin kasi alam
14:33kung ano yung
14:33nakikip,
14:34ano yung sasabihin
14:35nung doob
14:36nung kahon na iyon.
14:37Ang alam lang natin
14:38ay containing siya
14:39yung tax records
14:40ng magkasawan
14:42Vice President Duterte.
14:44And if ever,
14:45isa kasi siyang pamamaraan
14:46upang i-triangulate
14:48na,
14:49kung meron kang ganitong
14:50amount sa banko mo,
14:52ganito lang yung
14:53diniklera mo sa salin mo,
14:54at hindi ka nagbayad
14:56ng buwis para roon,
14:57then potentially,
14:58i-gotten nga yung wealth na iyon.
14:59Yan yung tali
15:00ng tatlong pieces
15:01of evidence na iyon.
15:03At least,
15:03sa pagbabasa ko,
15:05hindi po natin alam
15:05kung yun yung peorya
15:06ng prosecution.
15:07So, mahalaga po
15:08yung laman
15:09nung kahon na iyon.
15:10Pero, yung nangyari
15:12kahapon na pagbabalik
15:13ng Senado sa BIR,
15:14I think, tama lang din po iyon.
15:16Yung una po kasing
15:17pagkatama dito
15:18ay yung nagbigay po
15:19yung BIR ng kahon
15:20na nakaselyo
15:21kasi parang
15:22imbitasyon yun
15:23para sa house na
15:24sige,
15:25kung gusto nyo talaga buksan,
15:26di buksan ninyo.
15:27Pero potentially,
15:28mga violation
15:29ng batas na mangyayari.
15:30Alright.
15:30I think, yung pababalik
15:32ng Senado sa BIR
15:33nung kahon
15:34ay isa lamang
15:35nasenyes na
15:36hindi natin sinasabi
15:37na hindi na natin
15:38tumubuksan.
15:39Pero,
15:40habang hindi pa,
15:40ito yung tinitignan natin
15:41na ebidensya
15:42para ma-ayos yung
15:43pabalikis natin,
15:44sign nyo muna yan.
15:45Kustodiyan muna ng BIR yun.
15:4916 to convict,
15:50attorney,
15:50base sa ruling
15:51ni presiding judge,
15:52Chisa Scudero.
15:53Sa tingin nyo,
15:54bakit sa Supreme Court ito?
15:55And what do you think
15:56of the ruling?
15:57Can the
15:57impeachment court
15:58put it to a vote?
16:01I think,
16:02unang-una,
16:02yung panong ng
16:03all the members,
16:04nakaatas yan
16:05sa buong Senado.
16:06Hindi siya nakaatas
16:07sa isa ng presiding officer.
16:09But,
16:10I think,
16:10and yun yung dahilan
16:11kung bakit
16:12kahakot
16:13kung nabantayan ninyo
16:14si Sen. Cayetana,
16:15tinryan niya sabihin
16:16na,
16:16ang unawa ko
16:18ay
16:19ito na yung utos
16:20ng Korte
16:21dahil hangganyan siya
16:22sa presiding officer.
16:23So,
16:24it's an honest way,
16:25it's a fair way
16:26of trying
16:27na i-put on record
16:28na yun yung desisyon
16:29ng Korte.
16:30Pero, I think,
16:31hindi pa nag-desisyon
16:32yung impeachment court
16:33kahapon.
16:34That said,
16:35I think,
16:35nagkakaroon ng consensus
16:36among the Senators
16:37na 16 nga talaga
16:38yung boto na kailangan.
16:40Nakita natin yan
16:41dahil two weeks ago
16:42or more,
16:43si Sen. Gatchelian,
16:44nagbigay na nung lumiro na iyon.
16:45Kahapon,
16:46pinigay din siya
16:46ni Sen. Escudero.
16:47At,
16:48ito din naman yung view
16:49ni Minority Leader,
16:51Alantipa Kayadano.
16:52So, parang nagkakaroon
16:52ng consensus
16:53upong ito.
16:54Now,
16:55mahilap na,
16:55busisiin yung Korte Suprema
16:57yung tanong na iyan.
16:58At this point,
16:59kasi,
16:59wala pa namang formal
17:01or official na act
17:02na nagde-desisyon
17:04na yung Korte Suprema
17:04na 16.
17:05Usually,
17:06nagaantay yung Korte natin
17:07ng actual case
17:08or controversy
17:09bago niya pang himasupan
17:10yung tanong na iyan,
17:11lalo na dahil yung taso
17:12nasa Senado na,
17:14nasa sole power
17:14to try and decide na siya.
17:16So,
17:16magiging issue lamang yan
17:18at maaakyat lamang siya
17:19sa Korte Suprema
17:19kapag patapos na yung trial
17:21or kung tapos na yung trial,
17:22pag nagsimulaan,
17:23pag naturo na ang butokan.
17:24May proposal din
17:25si Sen. Alan Cayetano
17:27na payagang makadalo
17:28sa trial
17:28si na Sen. Marcolet
17:29at Estrada.
17:30Posible kaya ito,
17:31attorney?
17:32Well,
17:33kailangan may dalawang
17:35katawan na pumayag.
17:37Una,
17:37yung Senado mismo,
17:39kailangan pumayag sila
17:40na mag-accommodate
17:42nung isang,
17:43ah,
17:43nung mga opisyal
17:44na currently wala
17:45dahil nasasakdan sila
17:46sa Korte.
17:47And I think,
17:47as important,
17:48kailangan pumayag
17:49yung sanigan bayan.
17:50Ah,
17:51sa batas kasi natin,
17:53ah,
17:53at sa tradition ng Senado
17:54at sa jurisprudence natin
17:55sa Korte Suprema,
17:57kapag yung isang senador
17:58o miyambiyo ng kongreso
17:59ay nasasakdal,
18:00limitado talaga yung kapangyarihan
18:02at kakayahan niya
18:03na pagsilbihan
18:04yung mamamayan.
18:05Ah,
18:06dahil importante na
18:07kumarap siya
18:08sa Korte
18:09upang sumagot
18:10sa mga criminal charges
18:11laban sa kanya.
18:12Kung papaya din kasi,
18:13baka muntaroon
18:14ng risk,
18:14or flight risk,
18:15baka naman makawala
18:16yung opisyal
18:17at hindi na siya matry
18:18sa Korte.
18:20So,
18:20yung sanigan bayan
18:21pinangang mismo na pumayag.
18:23Pero,
18:23pag tinignan nga natin
18:24yung longer practice
18:25ng Senado,
18:26yung Senado din
18:27naman kasi natin
18:28hindi siya nag-accommodate
18:29ng mga
18:30ah,
18:31membro niya
18:32sa sesyon
18:33kung sila ay nakakulong.
18:34So,
18:35Senator Laila hindi naka-attend.
18:36Senator Pinales
18:37hindi naka-attend.
18:38Ah,
18:39I think Senator Enrique
18:39nung 1990
18:40hindi rin nakadalo.
18:42Ah,
18:42and more to that,
18:43kung preventively suspended
18:45yung isang Senado,
18:46hindi lamang siya
18:47hindi pinapayagan
18:49na tumalo sa sesyon.
18:50Hindi siya pinapayagan
18:51na mag-exercise
18:52ng kapangyarihan
18:53niya bilang Senado.
18:54And,
18:55sa 2019,
18:56it's a plunder lock
18:57kasi may wrong suspension.
18:58So, medyo mahirap
18:59to get to that point
19:00in the final analysis
19:01na hayaan sila.
19:03I think,
19:03malaki siyang break
19:04doon sa President
19:05ng Senado.
19:06Ah,
19:07pero titignan natin
19:08in the next few days,
19:09no, kung, ah,
19:11titignan natin
19:12in the next few days,
19:13kung paano yung
19:14ihit ng hangin,
19:15kung magkakaroon nga
19:16ng direction towards dun.
19:17So,
19:17hayaan nyo na lang
19:18na mag-observe sila
19:20at least ng proceedings na ito.
19:22Maraming salamat
19:23sa mga paliwanag
19:24at sa paggabay
19:25sa ating mga mananood
19:26attorney
19:27na maunawaan
19:28itong prosesong
19:29dinadaanan natin ngayon.
19:30Attorney Paulo Tamasi,
19:31SS and Dean
19:32ng UP Faculty of Law,
19:33maraming salamat po sa inyo.
19:35Ang isyo pinag-uusapan,
19:38lilinawin at hihimayin natin
19:39on record
19:40sa unang hirin.
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