00:00Bonjour à toutes et tous, bienvenue dans Art et Marché, l'émission qui vous ouvre les portes du marché de l'art.
00:13Et pour l'émission d'aujourd'hui, après Bâle, Miami, Hong Kong et Paris, Art Basel a choisi Doha pour son implantation dans les pays du Golfe.
00:21La première édition de cette foire vient de fermer ses portes et nous allons tout de suite échanger avec deux acteurs du monde culturel de l'art région,
00:28Alfredo Kramerotti qui est curateur, directeur du Média Majulis Museum et Aronda Scalera qui est curatrice indépendante.
00:35Ils vont nous donner leur point de vue sur cette édition inaugurale. C'est parti pour Art et Marché.
00:45Les 87 galeries provenant de 31 pays ont attiré 17 000 visiteurs à Doha pour cette première édition d'Art Basel au Qatar.
00:54Pour dresser un bilan de cette première édition, je suis ravie d'être en visio avec deux acteurs culturels de la région,
01:01Alfredo Kramerotti qui est curateur et directeur du musée Média Majulis Museum et Aronda Scalerault qui est curatrice indépendante.
01:12Merci beaucoup d'avoir accepté cette interview.
01:15Aronda, on va commencer avec vous.
01:17Pouvez-vous nous donner vos premières impressions de l'art, quels sont vos impressions initiales de l'art ?
01:26Merci, Sibylle.
01:29Oui, je veux dire, la première édition de l'art, c'est un sens de l'art qui n'est pas seulement une autre fête,
01:40mais une fête qui va changer toutes les règles de l'art de l'art fête.
01:46Pour beaucoup d'autres raisons, parce que Doha est une petite ville,
01:51qui est un sens de l'art fête, c'est un sens de l'art fête,
02:21qui est une personne qui veut, avec les galeries, avec l'artistes, avec les directeurs de l'art fête.
02:27Et c'est pour moi qui est excitant, parce que, par exemple,
02:30si vous êtes dans une autre art fête, vous avez dû travailler entre un endroit et un autre.
02:35Et Arbass el-Katar est une ville de l'art fête, une ville de l'art fête.
02:42Alfredo, comment est-ce que vous avez un point de vue similaire ?
02:46Comment est-ce que vous vivez ces cinq dernières jours ?
02:51Merci d'avoir nous, Marouille.
02:56Je me suis d'accord avec Arbass, que c'était une ville de l'art fête,
03:02à travers deux venues et plusieurs espaces publics,
03:06et dans l'outre et environ.
03:10Et le fait qu'ils ont l'air, je pense, c'est la vibe,
03:17c'est la vibe, généralement.
03:19C'était une très relaxe, et non-hectique vibe.
03:23Les qualités de l'art fête étaient très basées.
03:28C'est-à-dire qu'ils ont l'air un seul artiste,
03:32et les solutions et les installations présentées étaient vraiment, vraiment remarquables.
03:39Donc, en un moment, j'ai pensé que c'était l'air mirroring,
03:42ou aligning, let's say, avec le genre de vibe de Doha,
03:46comme la ville de l'art fête,
03:47qui, comme Ronda mentioned, n'est pas une métropole,
03:50c'est 2.5 millions de personnes, c'est quelque chose comme ça.
03:53Et il y a une certaine elegance, il y a une certaine flou.
04:00Les gens ne sont pas rassemblés, et c'était un mirroring dans l'art fête.
04:05Alfredo, were you aware of the presence of museums?
04:10Were there an institutional engagement?
04:14Could you feel that from the region or internationally?
04:17There was a lot of institutional engagement.
04:25First of all, Qatar, and Doha in particular,
04:28is a city where the institutional framework is very solid,
04:33is very present.
04:34There are about 11 different museums, plus 4 in construction.
04:39So, and you have a lot of curatorial team and directors
04:45and head of operations and CEO already on the ground.
04:50The Menaza region was very, very represented from Dubai to Sharjah.
04:56I kind of, we talked and engaged with the president of the Sharjah Foundation,
05:01the directors, Dubai institutions, Abu Dhabi institutions,
05:05Riyadh, a representative of the Ministry of Culture
05:11and different commissions from the Ministry of Culture,
05:15as well as a strong presence of Asia institutions,
05:20specifically Shanghai, Hong Kong and Seoul,
05:24and some Europeans as well.
05:27I mean, in Europe, they were present,
05:29more curatorially than leadership, I would say.
05:36Few Americans, for what I've spotted,
05:40but all in all, the institutional presence was noticeable.
05:45And Arwanda, from your perspective,
05:47can you speak about the presence of the collectors
05:50and maybe the dynamic that there was between them and the galleries?
05:55Yes, I mean, there were there many galleries,
06:01not as the other art fairs,
06:04because Arbastle, for example, Miami,
06:07bring their 300 gallery, more or less.
06:11In this case, it was a small art fair just with 83 galleries.
06:18It was like an art fair that is kind of a gem, okay?
06:27So all the galleries,
06:30they seem connected with each other.
06:34And all the exhibitions there
06:36didn't seem as a sale exhibition,
06:39but as a huge biennial,
06:42as a huge exhibition connected with each other.
06:46that was another characteristic,
06:48completely different from the other art fair.
06:51And yes, the galleries were all of them.
06:55They were enthusiasts, of course,
06:57because they could talk in deep with all the collectors.
07:01And even because here there is a new market,
07:04so there are a new type,
07:06a new kind of collectors.
07:09They'd have to be educated
07:10because the market here,
07:12they just started with this fair.
07:15and the taste even is a bit different.
07:20So Arbastle and with many dealers,
07:24they are trying to bring artists
07:30from the global south, in principle,
07:33from the global majority
07:35because obviously they want to be represented
07:41in this country.
07:43And Aranda, more broadly,
07:45how would you describe the artistic scene?
07:48So it was only solo shows,
07:50as I understood.
07:52Did you find interesting artistic tendencies?
07:56Was it very strong, original identity
08:00or more international?
08:01There was a strong, original identity.
08:06Artists like Sumaya or Sophia and Maria
08:10are all artists here in the region.
08:12They are very well known.
08:14And there were there some public installations from them,
08:19not just inside the fair,
08:21but even spread around the city.
08:25So they are trying to promote their artists.
08:29There were even international artists
08:31as Bruce Naumann and other big names.
08:35But in general,
08:36it's very well represented in Arbastle Qatar,
08:39all the global majority.
08:42Are you aware of any sales?
08:44Do you know how was the economic dynamic?
08:48Yes, there were three tiers of dynamic.
08:54One was a general collector.
08:58So people that can buy one-to-one with the gallery.
09:02And then there are institutions,
09:06I mean, museums,
09:09that they are going to buy from their fair.
09:12And then there is a royal family
09:13that they are going to buy by themselves
09:17for their private collection.
09:19And theme that is working,
09:22I mean, primarily museums,
09:24that they bought many artworks
09:27and even a royal family.
09:31Alfredo, so to what extent
09:32is the presence of Arbastle
09:34important in the golf market?
09:37Would you consider it a milestone
09:39towards a greater structuring,
09:42visibility, long-term depth
09:44of the art market of the region?
09:47Definitely.
09:48I would say it's an important event,
09:52it's an important piece of the Jigsaw
09:55because you do have Arbastle here in Qatar
09:59where there is already
10:00a very strong institutional framework
10:02and since 70 years almost,
10:06since the founding
10:07of the first National Museum here.
10:09And then you have
10:11three years
10:12are kind of a presence
10:15in Abu Dhabi in November.
10:17You have Dubai, of course.
10:20You have other fairs.
10:22Something will happen in Riyadh soon.
10:25And you have all the collectors
10:27and institutions,
10:28not only from the Menaza,
10:29but also from Turkey, for instance.
10:31There was a lot of presence in Turkey.
10:34And as Ronda was mentioning,
10:36the three tiers are very present.
10:38with the proviso that some of the acquisition
10:40by royal families
10:42has actually then re-channeled
10:44through those National Museums as well.
10:46So let's not forget that
10:47because some of the museums
10:49are independent in terms of the acquisition.
10:51Some of them are government
10:52and their collection is built
10:55through that royal channel,
10:57so to speak.
10:58I think it's important
11:01to establish an ecosystem
11:05for the contemporary art market.
11:07So you do have the big numbers,
11:11the big sort of hits
11:15in terms of price point.
11:18And then you have the medium
11:19and you have the more local ones.
11:21So all in all,
11:22I think is developing
11:23on a very healthy basis.
11:25Yes, so you would say that
11:28because it's quite young
11:30in comparison of the other market,
11:32so you would say
11:33there is a depth
11:35that's building in a healthy way.
11:39Definitely, it is.
11:41It's for sure.
11:42I mean, the galleries,
11:44we have spoken,
11:45or at least I've spoken to,
11:47some of them,
11:48they had sales to private,
11:51some of them,
11:51they had sales to museums,
11:53some they didn't have many sales,
11:55for instance,
11:56but they were very happy
11:58to and positive
12:00of our position in themselves
12:01in the region
12:02with the roster of artists.
12:04That's also something
12:05that it's important to notice
12:07that Art Basel is a huge brand
12:11in the contemporary art world
12:12and with the brand
12:13came Visibility,
12:15comes other brands' association.
12:18There were, for instance,
12:19a few events,
12:20big events from fashion houses
12:22and technology corporations.
12:24They were completely
12:26outside Art Basel
12:27and they were scheduled
12:30to happen during the Art Basel day,
12:32but they were not part
12:33of the program,
12:33they were not associated
12:34with brands,
12:36and so they recognized
12:37there is some sort of a value
12:39in terms of the people
12:40around this type of fair.
12:43Thank you so much,
12:44both of you,
12:45for your time,
12:46for sharing your points of views.
12:48Alfredo Camerotti,
12:49you're a curator,
12:50director of media,
12:51Majelis Museum,
12:52and Arunda Scalera,
12:53you're an independent curator.
12:56And thank you all
12:56for joining us.
12:58This was Arrêt Marché
12:59for this analysis
13:01of the first edition
13:02of Art Basel Doha.
13:03of Art Basel Doha.
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