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00:00We love having him on all the time, but we really, really need answers.
00:03He's the perfect guy to talk to.
00:05Tapped in like no other.
00:07And you see and read him everywhere.
00:09It's SF Standard.
00:11It's the TK Pod.
00:12It's TK Show.
00:14Everything.
00:14Tim Kawakami joins us on the River Islands guest line here on Willard & Dibbs 95.7 The Game.
00:20Hey, TK, what's going on this afternoon?
00:23Hey, not much, Mark.
00:24How you doing?
00:25Dibbs, how you doing?
00:26Hey, Tim.
00:26We're doing great, man.
00:28We're doing great.
00:28But obviously, this is a moment in time where Warrior fans are starting to ask big questions.
00:35Sort of years-long questions.
00:38And I wonder if the Warriors are asking the same questions.
00:43Do you think that Steph Curry is considering big things, or is he still in the moment?
00:50He's in the moment.
00:51I think he talked about it last night.
00:53You can't ask him to all of a sudden say, okay, now everything I've thought about for the last 14 years has changed.
01:01You know, these things take time, and I don't think it will change in the short term.
01:07It's very easy for all of us to just say, it's over.
01:10Forget about it.
01:11It's dump everything.
01:13Once you do it, you never can go back.
01:15And I think that should be, you know, it's not fun on Twitter or on talk shows or even on podcasts to say that.
01:22But it is true.
01:24Once you pull that string, it's over.
01:26And I think there is some value for everybody who's still there, with Steph being the most important part of that, that you don't make a rash decision.
01:35They did get to the second round.
01:37I guess, you know, many people don't care about that.
01:39But that did happen.
01:40They were up 1-0 before Curry got hurt.
01:43Doesn't mean they were going to win the championship, but it means that they were playing very respectable basketball, playoff basketball.
01:49They lost Jimmy Butler.
01:50That's kind of screwed this season.
01:52There's no question about that.
01:53But I think, you know, the clamor to make a decision now, now, now, I always push back against that.
02:01That is always going to be my thing.
02:02You don't have to make the decision now, so you don't make it now.
02:06And you think about what is still possible with this group.
02:10Maybe it's over.
02:12Maybe it's been over for a while.
02:14But if you have Steph Curry, as the guy himself said, I think you got a chance in a lot of situations, maybe a lot of playoff rounds, maybe not all of them.
02:24I'm just going to resist saying, okay, I'm tired of watching this.
02:27I'm mad about that last game.
02:28So it's over now.
02:29So you make that decision, and you're the Wizards for five years.
02:33Maybe that's inevitable.
02:35I understand if the Warriors and Steph Curry and everyone else don't want to do that.
02:39And I'm going to probably be lining up with them.
02:41So you don't want to be the Wizards.
02:43No matter, I guess, everyone claiming they want to be the Wizards, I don't think the Warriors should want to be the Wizards.
02:48Yeah, I mean, nobody wants to be the Wizards, and the Wizards didn't get the four titles that the Warriors did before they became the Wizards.
02:55So that becomes part of it.
02:56I just wondered, Tim, about the idea of the box office part of this, where Joe Lacob wants to win.
03:02We know that.
03:03But at the same time, having Steph Curry all but guarantees that the box office will be full, how much of that is at the forefront of any decision they ultimately make?
03:12It's part of it.
03:15You know, you've got Chase Center, you've got Cease to fill.
03:17I think it's also only as long as Steph Curry wants to be on this team, and I think he does.
03:23You know, that doesn't mean it's guaranteed forever.
03:25But you don't move Steph Curry if you're coming off a playoff run and he wants to stay on the team.
03:30And you still have some idea that you can be competitive, maybe for the rest of the year, maybe not, but next year, too.
03:36You know, Jimmy Butler will be coming off an ACL at age 37 at that point.
03:40That's a tough road, but there are other trade possibilities.
03:46You know, again, all these sound, you know, moderated in terms of now, now, now, it's terrible, over, over, over, over, over, over.
03:53And I just don't have that same opinion.
03:55And as long as Steph Curry believes and there's some things that they can do and there's some hope, not maybe for this year.
04:04You know, again, that doesn't sound like it's too feasible, but maybe, or get a piece that can help them this year and then really help them next year.
04:13I think that is worth examining, certainly as long as Steph Curry wants to do it.
04:18And part of my resistance to this is you're telling Steph Curry that he's wrong.
04:23You're telling Steph Curry that he shouldn't have any hope.
04:25I think Steph Curry has the right to have as much hope as he wants to.
04:28And at least for now, it's with this team, it's in this city, it's with this franchise.
04:34This franchise has, you know, done a lot to try to win.
04:38You know, they haven't done it in the last few years, but they've done a lot to try.
04:42And I think they're going to continue to push, push, push, maybe not for the right things.
04:47And I think as long as Steph Curry is okay with it, then he's not just a box office, right?
04:52He's not just a ticket seller, he's somebody who's part of the decision-making.
04:57And as long as he wants to do it, I don't know how the Warriors walk away from that.
05:02Tim Calcami is with us here on 95.7 The Game.
05:05TK, a little bit of breaking news.
05:06You may know this already.
05:07Jonathan Kaminga is out for tomorrow's game in Minnesota.
05:11They're calling it left knee soreness after that twist and hyperextension last night.
05:17So nothing more than that right now, just tomorrow night he will be out.
05:21So I will ask you in a more general sense, what do you know in this moment about the
05:26larger Kaminga situation and what was kind of your reaction to Mike Dunleavy's for there
05:31to be a demand, there needs to be demand, comment the other night?
05:35Well, that was a very interesting comment.
05:37And I guess the Amazon broadcasters were working very hard to say that we were just overreacting
05:42to that.
05:42I think they were wrong.
05:44God bless them.
05:44They're good guys.
05:46I know Brent Barry very well, but I think they were instructed to say that that was not a
05:50big deal, and yet it probably was.
05:52Knowing Mike Dunleavy, he doesn't say stuff like that out of the blue.
05:57I think, you know, it certainly could change.
06:00It always can change.
06:01Things can shift.
06:03Kaminga playing well before he got hurt was a potential shift.
06:06But I still think the most likely, I think the Warriors are tired of this.
06:11I know, I mean, we can all imagine Steve Kerr's very tired of this.
06:15I think they were thinking it was going to be resolved at some point before February 5th,
06:18trade deadline.
06:20Probably the most likely thing.
06:21Again, I don't know.
06:22I guess Dunleavy's response was to my question, so I was listening very carefully.
06:27It was mostly communicating there just isn't a trade out there that they want to do.
06:31And isn't there like this 17 teams lining up and outbending each other?
06:36That's not there.
06:37Maybe it's two or three teams.
06:38I still think that is the likeliest scenario.
06:40I don't think they're going to get what they want.
06:42I know Joe Lacob does not want to do it for anything that he's going to regret.
06:47He still is a huge Kaminga fan.
06:49We saw him pumping his fists in that home game when Kaminga was playing getting 20 points.
06:54That was notable.
06:55It was Joe Lacob walked past me and was pointing out that Kaminga played very well.
07:01And I said, I know.
07:02I was tweeting about it.
07:03He goes, yeah, I saw.
07:04But I don't know that this thing can go along for much longer.
07:09And maybe they keep him through the deadline or they just don't have a trade that they like.
07:14I would, you know, suggest that, you know, DeMar DeRozan, I don't think they want to do that, right?
07:19They feel that's selling way too low, and maybe they watch Kaminga go for 25 and 10 on their heads for the next 10 years in Sacramento.
07:28He's not doing anything for them now, possibly moving into a higher rotation spot after Butler, but possibly not.
07:37Injured now.
07:38I just don't think this has worked.
07:41Nothing against Kaminga's talents.
07:43I've always said that.
07:43But you kind of got the contract thing going on.
07:47You kind of got the player wanting to move on thing going on.
07:52They need a player.
07:53They need a player.
07:54And maybe Kaminga could be that without Butler.
07:57Maybe not.
07:59I just think the February 5th thing is coming up too soon.
08:04I would move him for whatever you can get, you know, barring that it's not worse than DeRozan.
08:09If you can do it for a DeRozan-type player, I think that would really help him.
08:12I'm of the opinion, like, one more player would help them not to win a championship.
08:16If Butler was healthy, one more player would really, really be interesting.
08:20But without Butler, you need one more player to make this feasible.
08:24They don't have that player.
08:25You know, I mean, I was like Najee Marshall last night would have been really important for the Warriors.
08:30Did not happen.
08:32You know, they don't have that guy.
08:33Can I get someone like him?
08:35It doesn't mean a superstar.
08:36It's just someone like that.
08:38DeRozan probably isn't quite that player, but he's a very interesting player.
08:41He's an older player.
08:42I just think that's where this Kaminga thing is headed.
08:45If he doesn't get traded, which would be the more prevailing notion to you?
08:48That Lacob loves Kaminga or that he doesn't just want to lose a trade?
08:54Yeah, I mean, he loves him.
08:55There's no question.
08:56Which leads them to, like, they don't want to sell cheap.
09:00And that would just be for, you know, money exchange or something that is less.
09:05Let's just say less than the value of what a normal first-round pick.
09:08Middle, middle first-round pick.
09:10I think that's generally what they're looking for.
09:14You know, I think they would have moved further with King's talks in the offseason
09:19if it would have evolved an unprotected pick that could have landed in the 10s,
09:23you know, 10 to 15.
09:24I think that's what they generally are wanting from him.
09:27I understand that they would want that.
09:29I don't think they're going to get that.
09:30And so if they don't do it, let's just, I mean, I keep saying DeRozan,
09:35but to me he's like the floor of what they, you know, could possibly accept.
09:42Lower than that, it doesn't make sense because you might get more from him in the offseason.
09:46If they have an offer like a DeRozan offer, they turn it down,
09:50yeah, that would be because Joe Lacob does not want to lose a trade
09:52and he does not want to give up a player he really likes.
09:56He would like to see playing.
09:57He's been pretty open about that.
09:59Steve Kerr is the coach.
10:00Steve Kerr decides this.
10:03That's been relatively decided in the franchise, I think.
10:07I think Mike Dunleavy is kind of, you know, sort of agrees with this sense.
10:13Move him now.
10:13If you don't move him yet, I think it would largely be because Joe Lacob
10:17does not want to give him up for just anything.
10:21And maybe that gets him a better deal on February 5th.
10:24Maybe it doesn't.
10:25But I think that is the proper read of this.
10:28TK, what does Kaminga do?
10:32How do Kaminga and his agent Aaron Turner react if they are still on the team
10:37after the deadline?
10:39I don't know.
10:40Call him up.
10:40He'll probably go on your show and say so.
10:42We actually want to do the whole show, though.
10:45We don't want to, you know, we want someone to come on like you
10:48and we'll hang out for 15 minutes and then move on, not do four hours.
10:51That's all.
10:54Yeah.
10:54It'll be the Aaron Turner show, I think, pretty soon.
10:56He's going to get a show.
10:57I think he wants one pretty soon.
10:59No, I'm kidding, Aaron.
11:00He can come on.
11:01But, yeah.
11:01Anyway, go ahead.
11:02You're mad at me, Aaron.
11:04You're mad at me already, Aaron.
11:05So be mad at me.
11:07I think Kaminga stays on the team, you know, maybe goes in and out.
11:10You know, I mean, hey, a big thing.
11:13The reason why he got knocked out of the rotation completely was Jim Butler,
11:16right?
11:16Jimmy Butler arrived and they just didn't have a spot for him.
11:19It just didn't fit in the things that they were doing once Butler arrived.
11:23Without Butler, we saw there were minutes for him.
11:25There is a role for him.
11:27He could do it.
11:28I think it will be another in and out thing.
11:30I think he will look good at times.
11:31He will look not good at times.
11:32I think Steve Kerr will be happy with him at times and will be unhappy with him at times.
11:36It will not be the best fit.
11:38Just think that's the way it's played out.
11:40If he isn't, you know, traded, it will be more of the same.
11:44I don't think they want more of the same.
11:46It's possible that he's really good and then, you know, kind of gives himself a path to a
11:52better deal from another team than a trade in July.
11:55I don't know.
11:56That's not what I would bet, given what's happened so far, given that he has gotten
12:00injured a lot recently.
12:03You know, that probably doesn't help his trade value either, by the way.
12:07But I think, you know, he doesn't, he hasn't caused a stir.
12:11The players have been very clear about that.
12:13And he's a pretty good guy.
12:14He's a good guy.
12:15Like, he's not that guy.
12:16It's just, this has gone on too long for the good health of an organization.
12:22I think everybody knows it.
12:24If he goes past February 5th, you know, it could get a little more uncomfortable.
12:28It's already been a little uncomfortable.
12:30But, yeah, I don't think it would be a disaster.
12:33It just would be kind of more, they're just on hold for 26, 27.
12:37And that's pushing it to guys getting one year older and everyone understanding that
12:42the Jimmy Butler recovery could take a little while.
12:45It could come back not the same player.
12:48That's at 37, 36.
12:50That's not out of the question.
12:53I just think it would, it helps the Warriors to try to take care of these things, knowing
12:59all these things, sooner rather than later.
13:00And I don't think the coming to thing probably should be done sooner rather than later.
13:03Yeah, 13 days to go.
13:04Tim Kawakami here on 95.7 The Game.
13:06We talk to Steve Kerr every week.
13:08And this week, we asked him about coaching.
13:09You coaching in the future, and he seemed to make it seem like he's enjoying it, and
13:15he still wants to keep doing it.
13:17What's your gut on Steve Kerr going beyond this year and the organization's willingness
13:22or passion for having him come back again?
13:27Yeah, I mean, they've kept it up in the air because it is up in the air.
13:30And I don't know.
13:32And I don't think either side knows.
13:33I do know this one thing, and I agree with it.
13:35Steve Kerr believes he should be a coach.
13:38He will be coaching somewhere.
13:38It should be with the Warriors and Steph Curry.
13:41It really should be.
13:42All things, not even being equal, all things being 60-40, whatever.
13:46It's like, this is what he was meant to do.
13:48Steph Curry wants him to be the coach.
13:51It should be a hard thing to try to change that.
13:54The Kaminga thing is a factor.
13:56Joe Lacob's desire to see Kaminga play is a factor.
13:59How the season ends up is a factor.
14:03I think the fail-safe, reasonable answer is that if Steph Curry wants him to be the coach,
14:08he'll be the coach next year.
14:11You know, Steph Curry also wanted Bob Myers to stay.
14:13Steph Curry also, you know, would have liked Klay Thompson's, you know,
14:17Warriors career to extend, you know.
14:19There were reasons why those things didn't happen.
14:22But I think that Steve wants to coach.
14:26He does not want to go to TV and ride off into the sunset.
14:30He wants to coach.
14:31This is not Phil Jackson.
14:33Well, Phil Jackson wanted to coach after the Bulls thing,
14:35but it's a whole different thing.
14:36He didn't want to coach for the Bulls anymore.
14:39It should work out.
14:41But things that should work out sometimes don't.
14:45Let's see how the season goes out.
14:47If they are a collapsing team, you know, that changes the dynamic a lot.
14:52I don't think they will collapse.
14:55And let's see, again, what they do with the trade deadline.
14:57But let's see if they give up some of these picks.
15:00Like, that will be interesting for everybody.
15:03And I think the veterans would like to see.
15:05You know, they didn't give up the picks.
15:06And I understood it when it was Wiseman and Kaminga and Moody.
15:10I think there was some internal discussion about that.
15:14Let's see if they give up the picks now.
15:16I think there might be more pressure on them to do it.
15:18I think there might be more motivation.
15:20We'll see what it is, what we can get back.
15:23All these things are in the mix.
15:25If this is a decent team to the end of the season,
15:29and Steph Curry is, and I don't think there's any reason to believe
15:33he wouldn't still be Steph Curry,
15:34the player that we know can dominate games and dominate series,
15:38at the end of the season,
15:40I think it's the likeliest that Steph Curry is a coach next season.
15:43And maybe that's it.
15:44That's the end of it.
15:46But there are a lot of factors in between that.
15:51And I don't think anybody knows for sure.
15:53They purposely left this up in the air
15:56because they're letting the season determine it.
16:00And when you do that,
16:01a lot of things could happen that you're not prepared for.
16:04One of them did about a week ago.
16:07And there are many more weeks left for surprises to come
16:11that change the trajectory of all this.
16:14I go back to what he told you guys and what I believe about him.
16:18He does want to coach.
16:19And if he's going to coach,
16:20I don't think it's going to be at, you know,
16:22Hillside College, right?
16:23I don't think it's going to be at Olympia in Greece.
16:27I think it should be for the Warriors.
16:29Just on that is my sense that I think Steve Kerr will be the coach next season.
16:34But that's just a guess.
16:36I don't think anybody's decided yet.
16:38Tim Calcami, SF Standard, with us here.
16:40Weatherton Dibs, 95-7 the game.
16:43Tim, like, the organization's never wavered.
16:46Draymond's not going anywhere.
16:48I don't even know what his value around the league would be.
16:53But what is the organizational thought right now
16:55on watching the same level of antics,
16:59but, boy, not the same level of play?
17:02Yeah, I mean, there's no question it's always been a balance.
17:05And I've kind of said this for several years.
17:07There will be a point where Draymond's stuff is not worth it.
17:10And I don't think they've quite reached it.
17:12They certainly have gone through a lot of things with him.
17:16I think there's two points to that.
17:18One, they would trade him if they could get something for him.
17:22I don't know if they could get something for him.
17:23So it's easy for them to say, therefore, we're not trading him.
17:27I think Steph Curry wants him on the team.
17:30I think they don't have a better overall center.
17:33Now, it's declining.
17:34There's no question about that.
17:36And that makes the flagrant foul that leads to, you know,
17:40whatever last night and many other things a much harder to tolerate.
17:44The practical way to deal with that is what's happening.
17:46They're just not playing as much.
17:48And if Quentin Post could play better,
17:50if Al Horford could be healthier and younger,
17:53I guess that's harder to do,
17:55Draymond might be playing 22, 24 minutes a game.
17:58And you might play him more when he's really playing well.
18:00When he's not playing well,
18:02and, you know, it's really magnified when defenses just don't guard him,
18:07maybe you play him 22 minutes.
18:10Maybe you play him 20 minutes.
18:11And you hope to get the best 20 out he can,
18:14but you're not riding everything on what Draymond Green does offensively,
18:19because it ain't going to be good.
18:21I've suggested maybe you split the minutes with Steph.
18:23Now, he's really good with Steph.
18:26It's maybe that's stupid for me to say.
18:29But without Jimmy Butler on the other side,
18:31I might want to see Curry with better offensive players.
18:35Now, then you make the defense worse,
18:36and the defense was terrible last night.
18:38There's a reason for that.
18:39But I might want to see Curry with better offensive players
18:44to see what that looks like,
18:45because, you know, Draymond offensively,
18:48that's where it's really diminished.
18:49That's where it really hurts.
18:51It hurts the Warriors.
18:52It's really hurting the Curry minutes.
18:54And the Curry minutes are precious.
18:56They just are.
18:57Like, you cannot get beat in the Curry minutes.
18:59When they get beat in the Curry minutes, they usually lose.
19:03Butler was a nice counterpoint to that.
19:05Sometimes they were sort of, you know, losing the Curry minutes
19:09or not dominating the Curry minutes,
19:10and then Butler's group would win the game.
19:12That's gone.
19:13I think they might need to see what Curry can do
19:16in some lineup formulations that mostly don't include Draymond.
19:21And then when Draymond's on, you play him 35 minutes.
19:24They almost never play him 35 minutes anymore.
19:26But maybe you play him 32 minutes, 30 minutes.
19:29If he's not there, you play him 22, 24.
19:32And then the antics, which I don't think anybody loves.
19:35I know the NBA has not loved in the past.
19:38They just don't come up as much, and they don't affect you as much
19:41because he's just going right to the bench.
19:43And I just can see that.
19:46That's already kind of happened, and I can see it happening
19:49to a greater extent as that offensive.
19:52It's a problem.
19:53It's a problem.
19:54You can't, you know, it's hard to play Draymond
19:56unless you have four scorers around him,
19:59and they don't have four scorers to put around him.
20:02And then that hampers everything down the road.
20:04He can still do a lot of stuff for them.
20:06I don't want this to be a Draymond Sotero plays not.
20:09He's effective in a lot of ways.
20:11He's their best guy to guard the best big guys.
20:13He just is.
20:15But sometimes the other stuff, when the offense drags it down,
20:19when the other stuff drags it down, you have to figure for that.
20:23And that might be just Draymond playing for your minutes.
20:26Tim, we love doing it.
20:28Appreciate it.
20:29What a big time.
20:30Thank you so much.
20:32You got it, guys.
20:32Talk to you soon.
20:33Tim Cowell coming.
20:34He can.
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