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00:00A quote from Tony Vitello.
00:02Oh, I actually read it.
00:03You mentioned it before you went out and got yourself some candy and not me,
00:07and I actually read it.
00:09Yeah, it just got put out.
00:11It was actually, I had to do a hard right turn to get one,
00:16and I grabbed one, and then Whitley came out and was like, we're back.
00:22And so I then had to hustle in here.
00:26That's a long way of saying you're right.
00:28I left you out.
00:28That's fine.
00:29Yeah, I left you out, but there's plenty in there.
00:31Yes, but before you left, you told me about this quote,
00:34and I looked it up, and I read it, and I thought,
00:37we're going to have to talk about this because your guy,
00:41he can't leave well enough alone.
00:45Obviously, I'm sort of back.
00:47Apparently.
00:48This is the most Kapler-esque thing that Tony Vitello has ever said,
00:52and I don't mind this, by the way, at all, but it's just funny.
00:58It's funny.
00:59We need to get back to Steph in just a second, but check this out.
01:04So, Bags, Andy Baggerly, I guess, was talking to Tony about this perceived tightness,
01:12people trying to hit 10-run home runs and stuff like that with the Giants when they weren't hitting.
01:16That was back in the day when they weren't hitting.
01:17Now they're hitting.
01:18Now they're getting three runs a game.
01:19Oh, yeah.
01:20Yeah, but anyway, quote,
01:22I really don't feel like there's been a tightness like waiting for bad things to happen
01:27or guys yelling at each other.
01:30I just think there's been an emotional charge of really wanting to do well.
01:36Well, if you ask Kanye, if you ask Kanye, I think he's out with a new album.
01:49This is part of the quote.
01:50Quote, if you try hard, you die hard.
01:58Strange fella, but he don't miss much on the music.
02:05Not that you asked.
02:07End quote.
02:09Tony Vitello, manager, San Francisco Giants.
02:12Right, right.
02:13Next up will be an Instagram video about him and a burger cooked medium rare.
02:19I mean, what are we doing here?
02:21We're talking about Kanye.
02:24Right.
02:24Not that you asked.
02:25And that's a line from this song that I'm playing, guys.
02:27Can't tell me nothing.
02:29Yeah, we got.
02:29Well, I'm not going to say we got.
02:31I got that.
02:32I know Dibs got that.
02:33Right.
02:33Some of our audience may get that.
02:35Some of the audience might not get that.
02:37Okay.
02:38I mean.
02:38If you try hard, you die hard.
02:41Okay.
02:41Shout out Bruce Willis.
02:42Oh, thank you.
02:45Right.
02:45I just.
02:47I mean, can we take a press conference off?
02:49Can we just have one press conference where it's, you know, the bats look better and the
02:55defense was good and I like the way we pitched.
02:57Wait, for real?
02:58We'll come back and get it tomorrow.
02:59Wait, wait.
02:59You want, you want, like, boring coach speak?
03:03I want him to have that in his repertoire.
03:05I don't want every day to be about what did Tony say?
03:09You're one in three and you've scored four runs.
03:11It's okay to take a day off.
03:14Take a playoff.
03:15That's all I'm saying.
03:17That's all I'm saying.
03:18It's a little bit like the football player who you're down 28 to three and you're a defensive
03:26back and you come up on a, on a blitz against the run game and you stuff the running back
03:31and you hold them to a loss of one yard and you get up and you are wolfing and stomping
03:37and dancing.
03:38Listen, you're down 28 to three.
03:40I don't know.
03:40Maybe just run back to the huddle and, you know, put your chin strap back on and try again.
03:45Okay.
03:46Here's what I feel like you're asking for though.
03:49You are asking for inauthenticity.
03:54No.
03:55Yeah, you are.
03:56I'm really not.
03:57No.
03:57I'm asking for context.
03:59Right.
03:59But for him, that is totally inauthentic.
04:04It just is.
04:05That's not him.
04:06That's not like.
04:07Well, we don't know what's him really.
04:09I already know that that's not him.
04:11That's like, it's clearly not him.
04:13It's never been him.
04:15It's not who he was in Tennessee.
04:16It's not who he's been in every single media avail.
04:20It's not who he's been even in the short period of time that I stood out on the field on
04:26Friday
04:26and just kind of watched him interact with others.
04:28It's not who he is.
04:30So I get what you're saying.
04:32I think maybe that feels safer to maybe to you and to fans.
04:36It feels safer to like not put yourself out there in that sort of way.
04:41And I know that when you're one in three with four runs scored, people don't want to hear you
04:45quote Kanye.
04:47I get it.
04:48Like we are on some levels.
04:50We are full circle.
04:52We went from Bruce Bochy to Gabe Kapler.
04:57And then all the way back to Bob Melvin.
05:00Back to Bob Melvin.
05:01And now we're 75% back to Kapler.
05:06A little bit.
05:06Like we don't have it.
05:07I don't think we're overly analytical.
05:10I don't think he's that kind of.
05:13I don't think he's going to turn his office into a club.
05:16Like, you know what I mean?
05:17I don't think Tony is going to be in full black denim in a bike on the Embarcadero constantly.
05:24Not that there's anything wrong with that.
05:26But like, I'm not saying he's Gabe, but that's a very Gabe-esque quote.
05:31But that's, that's Tony.
05:35Like my thing right now this early is to go along with what I said yesterday.
05:42And hello to all you people on Twitter who just lost your minds.
05:47Oh my God, you hate Tony Vitello.
05:49What?
05:50All I said was, I don't think the team's pressing.
05:53I think Tony's pressing.
05:55Because Tony is jumping out going, like, let's do a big speech.
05:59And then three days later he's like, I probably shouldn't have done the speech.
06:02And this is my fault.
06:04And there's tension in the, and it's like, no, I, I'm with Robbie Ray.
06:08We're fine.
06:09Everything is totally chill.
06:11And along those lines, I don't want Tony to now suddenly try to be someone he's not.
06:17Be you.
06:18It's fine.
06:19Be completely authentic.
06:21If you want to quote Kanye, do it.
06:24You might get some people who are uncomfortable with that.
06:26But that's not going to lose any baseball games.
06:29It's just a matter of what pairs with it.
06:31When you quote Kanye at one and three, people don't like it.
06:34If you quote him at three and one, ooh, you're eclectic and fun.
06:38Maybe.
06:38I mean, I don't quite see it that way.
06:41I mean, Kanye is somebody either you love or you don't love.
06:45I like his early works.
06:47And him as a person, I think he's a little bit too far out on the periphery for me as
06:52far as, like, people that I would look up to as pop culture role models.
06:57But, yeah, if you want to go ahead and quote Kanye West, you can do it.
07:01My whole thing is you're new on the job.
07:03You got your first win.
07:05You're one and three.
07:05Let's just go ahead and, I don't know, put your head down and be a skipper of a baseball team
07:11and do what you're doing.
07:12Instead of say things that make people like you and me and other people, like, take notice of your eccentricities.
07:20That's all.
07:20I totally hear you, but it does circle back to what we said yesterday, and I think that this does
07:25put people into a catch-22.
07:28We, the media, want you to be interesting, and then when you are, we're like, you're doing too much.
07:34Calm it down and give me a basic answer.
07:37You know, when even boys catch the ball and hit the ball, it's a long season.
07:41Yep.
07:42But we're taking one at a time.
07:43Snooze.
07:44And we're taking one at-bat at a time.
07:46Snooze.
07:46And good Lord willing, you know, by the end of the year, hopefully we'll be right there and we'll have
07:49a chance to make them playoffs.
07:51If we can win more than we lose.
07:52Exactly.
07:53Yeah.
07:53You can do that.
07:54I just, I don't think it's Tony.
07:56I don't know, know, know the guy, but we've been around him a number of times now, and I don't
08:00think that's him.
08:02And I don't want inauthenticity.
08:03But listen to this.
08:05I think that this one is going to be on your side of the fence.
08:08And by the way, we can quick aside here on, we'll get back to Steph Curry, but 888-957-9570,
08:15if you think Tony is refreshing, or if he is, as Jim Bowden just put it, a deer in headlights.
08:24Listen to this.
08:25Jim Bowden, who is now an analyst, former GM in the sport, and this is on foul territory.
08:30Listen to what he says about Vitello.
08:32As the cameras zoom in and the dugout, I kind of feel like at times he's like a deer in
08:37headlights.
08:38And, you know, watch coaches kind of talk to him, and he just kind of stares sometimes, which is kind
08:43of concerning.
08:43In terms of his comments after the game, to me, it looked like a college coach trying to be a
08:48big league manager.
08:49I haven't understood the quotes.
08:52You know, I think that when you're coaching college kids, you can say whatever you want, and they're going to
08:57respect whatever you say, and there's not going to be pushback.
08:59And if the media is covering you in college, they're going to write what the coach says.
09:03They're not going to write what the players say, right?
09:05And the players aren't going to contradict the manager.
09:07When you get to the big leagues, there's not a player in that dugout that doesn't have more professional experience
09:13than Tony Vitello.
09:14Most of them are getting paid more than Tony Vitello.
09:16So if Tony wants to sit there and say college stuff to major league players, they're going to push back.
09:21It's not going to play well.
09:23Okay, so that's, like, consider that the appetizer.
09:27But then here comes the main course.
09:30Listen to Jim Bowden's next comment about Tony Vitello, again, from foul territory.
09:36Look, you've got to give him time.
09:38I like the man.
09:39I think he's a good communicator.
09:41I think he's got great energy.
09:42I think he's a lot of fun.
09:43I think he's over his head.
09:45So what do we do?
09:46We fix it.
09:47So how do we fix it?
09:48Well, if I am sitting there and I'm Buster Posey or I'm Zach Manassi, and this is what I'm going
09:52to do.
09:52I've got two guys on my payroll that are both going to be in the Hall of Fame someday.
09:57One named Bruce Bochy and one named Dusty Baker.
09:59I'm going to let them split the duties, okay?
10:02But what we're going to do after every single game and after every single press conference of every single game,
10:08one of them is going to sit down and go through the game with Tony Vitello.
10:11Going to talk about all the moves, what he did, what he didn't do, what he could do, what he
10:15should do.
10:16Talk about what he's going to do tomorrow and the next day, what his thoughts on that.
10:19And then we're going to break down what he said to the media and what works and doesn't work.
10:23We want him to be himself, but we also want him to be professional and not embarrass us,
10:28which right now he's embarrassing us is my take.
10:31So I'm for Tony Vitello.
10:32I want this to work.
10:34Don't tell me after the first week that it's working.
10:36It's not.
10:36And by the way, I'm not going by wins and losses.
10:39The Yankees have a better team.
10:40They went up against amazing pitching in Freed, Schlittler, and Warren.
10:44The bullpen was great.
10:45The losses weren't on Vitello, but let's evaluate him as a manager.
10:49He's not ready yet.
10:50Okay.
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11:04You say, wow.
11:06That's like he's advocating for training wheels.
11:08So you give the guy the job and then you want Bruce Bochy and Dusty Baker to take turns.
11:13You get this game and then I'll get the next and we're going to run through the game.
11:17Moves you made, moves you should have made, what you said in the press conference,
11:21what you shouldn't have said, what maybe you should have said instead of what you said.
11:25Like no adult human being would allow that.
11:28If you get the job from Tennessee, you're not going to subject yourself to that sort of scrutiny.
11:33Now, if you want to have an advisor, like maybe pull him aside every now and again and say,
11:39hey, you know, walk me through what you did on Tuesday against Milwaukee.
11:42You know, what were you thinking with that move behind closed doors privately?
11:46That's different.
11:47What Jim is advocating is basically training wheels.
11:51Where's the part where he says, in his opinion, right now, this is embarrassing the Giants?
11:57Which part?
11:59Well, then he went on to say like, yeah, you know, you face a Yankee team that's just really good
12:02and better than you.
12:03So that's not on Tony Vitello.
12:05Where's the part that's embarrassing the Giants?
12:07There's no part that's embarrassing the Giants.
12:09I don't think.
12:10Yeah.
12:11Like, I don't know what is embarrassing.
12:14And yeah, if you want to go through and talk to Tony about all the, quote, moves he's making,
12:20four games in, he's made one move with the offense.
12:23He took a really fast guy and said, you go run.
12:26Go be a pinch runner.
12:27Other than that, he still hasn't had anybody pinch hit.
12:31And the bullpen, like last night's a good example.
12:34Your starter pitched really well.
12:36Okay, let's go to the pen.
12:37You get an inning, you get an inning.
12:39You're our closer, I guess.
12:41Go out there and try to close.
12:43Yikes.
12:44He did.
12:44Eventually.
12:45Yeah.
12:45Gave up a couple.
12:46Yep.
12:46Gave up an absolute bombski.
12:48But I mean, as far as like the moves he's made, he hasn't really made any moves.
12:53Well, I guess that's my point.
12:55Like, how can we sit here and say, like, oh, there's so much here.
12:59How are you going to sit here and say, this is not based on their record?
13:04It's not based on their record.
13:06It's not because they're one and three and they've only scored four runs.
13:10Okay, fine.
13:11If it's not based on their record, then what are we basing it on?
13:15So, I have a hard time with Jim saying, I'm in favor of the hire, which is a projection.
13:25But you're also embarrassing the team right now, which I don't necessarily feel.
13:32And then he sort of brings up the idea that the Giants at this moment are probably already regretting it
13:39because he brings up the idea of having to fix it.
13:43Yeah, fix this thing.
13:44And then he comes up with an idea on how to fix it.
13:47And here's where I'm with you.
13:49If that's what you need, okay, I'm not accepting the premise, but let's say I did.
13:56If the premise is, Boach and Baker need to both have him over to the house after each game, let's
14:05go pitch by pitch, and talk about all the things he did right and wrong.
14:09If you need to do that, then you made a horrible hire.
14:16An absolutely ridiculous hire.
14:20If you need to do that.
14:22That's what the interview process was for.
14:25What did he say in an interview?
14:27Again, we're going on a premise that I don't accept.
14:30But if I did, what did you say to him and what did he say back to you in an
14:36interview that made you comfortable hiring him if you also thought it possible that when you arrive in San Diego
14:44for game four, we're going to need to have him sit on Boach's lap.
14:48Right.
14:50That's crazy to me.
14:51It's bananas.
14:52I mean, the whole notion of it is it's beyond crazy.
14:55And I understand, like, having a 15-and-a-half-year-old who gets their permit and you take him
15:01out driving and it's kind of scary and you're, like, telling him a million things to do as you teach
15:06him to drive.
15:06And I've done it a couple of different times.
15:08And, yes, that's a 15-and-a-half-year-old with no license.
15:11This is a grown man who's been a major manager of a baseball team at not the highest level but
15:17a high enough level to where you thought that what he did there was good enough for you.
15:22So you let him manage.
15:23And there's nothing that he's done, even invoking the name of Kanye West in an obtuse sort of a comment.
15:30Like, that's not embarrassing.
15:32I think it's a little bit weird.
15:34And I'd like him to, for my own personal tastes, I'd like him to not be in the news for
15:40these reasons.
15:41But, hey, be you, Tony.
15:42And if you're 10-and-30, it's a problem.
15:46But if you wind up and you're 30-and-10, then you could talk about Kanye.
15:49You could talk about Taylor Swift.
15:51You could talk about whoever you want.
15:52For sure.
15:53It's about the results.
15:54No, there's no question.
15:55There's no question.
15:56And you're talking about once we've got a lot more evidence and we're more like 40 or 50 or 60
16:02games into the season.
16:04You know, I'm just trying to pull this apart.
16:06This is the first time I've heard this.
16:08And I don't really necessarily dig the idea of, well, the cameras, when they look at him in the dugout,
16:14he looks like a deer in the headlights.
16:16Like, he looks like he's just staring.
16:18What do you want him to do?
16:21What's he supposed to do?
16:23You want him to, like, I don't know.
16:25You want him to blink?
16:26You want him to wink?
16:27You want him to make a funny face at you?
16:29He's watching the game.
16:31So, I'm not even, this isn't about, for me at least, agreement or disagreement.
16:38Like, I'd love to get Jim on.
16:40I'd love to explore that thought.
16:42Why is the look on his face?
16:45Or what is it you see that right now is, quote, embarrassing?
16:51He says that this is embarrassing to the Giants.
16:54And I'm like, which part?
16:57What did he do?
16:58Right.
16:58And he goes on to say that, you know, the Yankees and Schlittler and the pitching staff, they're just so
17:05good.
17:05And, you know, they're better.
17:06And so, yeah, I understand that, you know, you get swept.
17:09And the whole idea of deer in the headlights, is there something that's happening in the game where he needs
17:14to make an action or a reaction?
17:16Or he needs to make a decision and he's just so paralyzed that he's not?
17:20I mean, I do.
17:21I said this yesterday.
17:22The moves do appear like the organization is completely frozen.
17:29But that's also in such a small sample that I don't really know that that's it.
17:34Let's not act, by the way, like Tony is in there doing this by himself.
17:38It's not like the whole coaching staff is sitting there going, man, I'd pinch hit Encarnacion right now.
17:44But don't tell Tony.
17:46Let's see if he thinks of it himself.
17:47Right.
17:48Right.
17:49Oh, look at that, Bob.
17:50He didn't think of it himself, dummy.
17:53Like, these guys, this is a whole group that's doing this.
17:59So, I have a hard time with he's embarrassing the Giants, but then let's let him be himself.
18:06But then let's also have Boach hold his hand after games.
18:10I don't know, man.
18:10I think you've got to pick a side.
18:12And here's the side that I want to pick.
18:15Like, let the dude be himself for a period of time.
18:21And that period of time has to be at least a few weeks before anything really kind of angers us
18:31or leads us down the road of a judgment like this is embarrassing.
18:38Boy, I would love to ask Jim Bowden, what specifically did you see that's embarrassing?
18:44I can only imagine he's talking about the comments.
18:48I found them to be, you know, I think he's, that's why I said yesterday, I think he's the one
18:54who's pressing.
18:55I think he's looking to say the right thing.
18:57I think he's looking to do the right thing.
18:59He probably is lacking a little bit of swagger and confidence in some aspects of what he's doing.
19:05Who doesn't feel that way in their fourth day on the job?
19:08Right.
19:09So I'm okay with that for a short period of time.
19:11I do think there's a little bit of that there, but I don't find that embarrassing.
19:15I don't find that to be the wrong hire.
19:18Like, that's what I guess is the weirdest about Jim's comments right there.
19:22You can't say like, yeah, I want this to work and I like Tony and I'm not down on the
19:27hire,
19:27but you need to babysit him after every game.
19:30Well, no, hold on a second.
19:32If you need to babysit him, then that's a terrible hire.
19:34Right.
19:34And we are officially, I think, 3% of the way through the year.
19:39I mean, 16 games would be 10% and you're four games in.
19:43So yeah, you're at about two and a half percent of the year.
19:46And so if you can tell me that four games into a 162 game season, you can already see it.
19:52Well, then you are some sort of a baseball whisperer because he actually went on to say,
19:58oh, the Yankees are really good and you get swept by a really good team.
20:01Okay, I get it.
20:02And now you're one in three.
20:04And if you win tonight, you're two in a row and two in three.
20:06I don't know if you can look at it.
20:08It'd be like looking at an NFL coach, not even a quarter into the first game,
20:12but like after the opening drive and you look, you go, oh my God, this guy's got no clue.
20:18We got to fire him before the end of the first quarter.
20:21The whole thing.
20:22I mean, here's Kirkton yesterday with us being like, look, and this is how most of us think anyway.
20:27Does the manager really determine wins and losses in Major League Baseball?
20:31Well, to this point through four games, the problems that the Giants have had, I'm putting on the players.
20:37So if the manager doesn't really determine wins and losses and certainly is not in charge of, you know,
20:44contacting the ball with the bat, then what is it that's embarrassing?
20:48What is it that we even could have some sort of a large opinion about yet?
20:54I have observations.
20:55You have observations.
20:58And there's a learning curve there.
21:00And that was obvious from the beginning.
21:02But to sort of like arrive at a conclusion of any kind, four games in, feels like you might be
21:11coming from somewhere else.
21:13We have a few texts coming up that are like, Jim Bowden is part of the old boys network.
21:18So he didn't like this.
21:19Right.
21:20Because he passed over all the experienced guys and stuck Tony in there.
21:24And now it's like, that's embarrassing.
21:26Well, is it?
21:27I don't think anyone with the Giants feels embarrassed right now.
21:30Not yet.
21:31Not right now.
21:31Not yet.
21:32And I understand that take.
21:34And ultimately, it was a bold move by Buster Posey to bring in somebody who had no major league experience.
21:40And ultimately, Buster will either be right or he'll be wrong to have made that hire.
21:46And it's not as easy as four games in.
21:48They're one and three.
21:49And therefore, it's an embarrassment.
21:51I do think that he gets a certain amount of time, probably more than even just one year.
21:56I would think.
21:56And then you, you know, you take a look at how he did.
21:58And, you know, versus how the actual roster is doing.
22:02Because that's part of it, too, Mark.
22:04They haven't made a lot of moves because they have no left-handed bats on the bench.
22:08Right.
22:08So even late in the game, and I'm looking at last night, the Padres go to a couple of righties
22:13late in the game.
22:14Well, you're not going to pinch hit one of your right-hand hitters with a lefty because you don't have
22:18a lefty on the bench.
22:20So moves-wise, you're kind of stuck.
22:22Yeah.
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