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00:00why this would make some people jump to a conclusion about Steph and or the rest of the season.
00:08And what I had said was, and I know it was joking, but multiple people hit my phone last night
00:12and said,
00:12just cancel the season. Like, just be done with this.
00:16In your response, you had used to me what is the key phrase here, and that is fear-based.
00:23So the idea that, well, now Moses Moody is out, therefore, whatever team Steph returns to is weaker,
00:33and then beyond that, something bad could happen to Steph too.
00:39Let's focus on that second part for a second.
00:43That's always the case.
00:46It is 100% of the time that someone is playing and an injury could happen.
00:53I guess my response to that is, I don't even know how you could amass data that would suggest
01:02that if you didn't play Steph for the rest of this year, in some way, shape, or form,
01:07that makes his health next year more likely.
01:11No, it's impossible to equate the two things.
01:13That doesn't, that's not a thing.
01:14Especially when you look at how Moses got hurt, and it was just a freak accident.
01:19It was non-contact.
01:20It was, he planted to jump, his kneecap went sideways, he's not old, he didn't have a history
01:26of knee problems before, he didn't have patella tendonitis, or anything like, oh, I don't know,
01:32runner's knee, he just tried to go up and dunk the ball, and he got hurt, and now he's gone
01:36for a long time.
01:37So, there's no way to look at it and say, yep, bubble wrapping Steph now will ensure
01:42that he's healthier next year.
01:44He might be fresher at the start, but catastrophic things can happen at any time.
01:49Look at Jimmy Butler.
01:50You know, Jimmy Butler was just playing basketball.
01:53I'm just kind of fascinated by this entire concept.
01:57Of, and by the way, this is what Steve bristled at when he came on last week.
02:04And, again, these are, it's all kind of coming from different angles, but, like, let's whittle
02:10this down.
02:11The concept is, you're able to try, but don't.
02:18I don't get it.
02:20Maybe I'm dumb.
02:21No.
02:22I don't, no, but, like, even the whole, like, Ramona answered us, like, yeah, I'd like to
02:26tank.
02:26They can't.
02:28I mean, they can lose all the games, and they could fall to 11, but Memphis would have
02:33to win tonight.
02:36If Memphis loses tonight, I think they clinch the 10, officially.
02:39So, and there's 10 games left, so.
02:41No, no, no, and Grandy just whispered to me, like, it means lose the first playing game.
02:45I get that.
02:46Right now, as currently constructed, they're kind of in line to do that anyway.
02:50But, I just, I'm having a hard time with, I guess, what is the risk-reward?
02:58I don't even really understand the reward.
03:02So, okay, you lose that first game.
03:04Now you're in the lottery.
03:05Well, you still need a miracle to move up.
03:08That's 10%.
03:10Yeah.
03:11It's less of a miracle than you winning the NBA title.
03:14For sure, but it's still wildly unlikely.
03:17Again, it's a Johnny Cueto hit.
03:20Yeah, 10%.
03:21So, how'd you feel when Johnny Cueto grabbed a bat?
03:24You thought it was probably an automatic out.
03:26I was like, I got not getting a hit.
03:27Yep.
03:29Career 100 hitter, and that's what this would be, roughly.
03:31It's about 10%, but if they get a little bit worse, they can move up.
03:36And if you move up one more spot in the tank-a-thon, your odds do, I think they double,
03:42your odds of going into the top four.
03:43They go up precipitously.
03:45You're saying if you get to the 11.
03:47Or if you get to the 10.
03:48Again, like, if you become the 10th worst team in the association.
03:52I'll bring it up for you.
03:53Right.
03:53But, I mean, like, I'm having the hardest time with the mere concept of this based on,
04:02and I know everybody's an individual, right?
04:04So, there's opinions are all over the place.
04:06But, like, we do this every day.
04:08We do this for a living.
04:10So many of you, you call constantly.
04:13You text.
04:15You put comments on the internet about load management and about those poor kids that are up in the stands,
04:24and they want to see this, that, or the other.
04:27For just $284 a ticket.
04:31Poor Tim has saved for two years so that he can buy his kids one ticket to go see Steph
04:38Curry.
04:39And see, this is what so many people do that I don't, and I don't get it.
04:44You form an opinion until that topic lands in your lap, and then you change the opinion.
04:52Yeah, all of a sudden you're pro load management.
04:55Right.
04:55Because it's the chef, and we've got to take care of him.
04:57Do not change the wording of what you're saying.
05:03We spent two weeks trying to talk about how the league can fix tanking.
05:07We've spent years talking about how they can fix load management.
05:12And then Moses Moody gets hurt, and quite frankly, it's happening even before that.
05:16And here's a line around the block of Warrior fans that are suggesting both things in one package called Steph
05:24Curry.
05:25It's not load management if we're just going to bubble wrap Steph.
05:28We're just protecting Steph.
05:29No, it's load management.
05:30That's exactly what it is.
05:31Right.
05:32Yeah.
05:32But it's really hurt.
05:34You can protect next year, this year, whatever you want.
05:37That's load management and tanking.
05:40And essentially, you're not really protecting anything, if you think about it, because anybody can get hurt in pro sports
05:47at any time.
05:49Something can just happen, you know?
05:50And we saw it last night with Moses Moody.
05:52Moses came back after an absence due to a wrist injury, and I'm sure his legs looked fine to me.
05:58He didn't look out of gas, and he was playing great, and then boom, just like that.
06:03So should you have bubble wrapped Moses because you never know what might happen?
06:07Well, then you're not going to play anybody ever.
06:09You're just not going to play basketball.
06:13That's exactly it.
06:14Yeah.
06:15How about this?
06:15Let's answer this one.
06:16Thank you, 510, for texting in on the Boxer and Gerson Work Injury Attorney's text line.
06:21The problem is, Mark, that people don't want to have a random injury show up on a game that is
06:26virtually meaningless.
06:27That's a hard pill to swallow.
06:29Sure, that's kind of like when Kyle Shanahan leaves Christian McCaffrey in there when they're up by 30 with three
06:34minutes to go.
06:35You're like, why are you doing that?
06:37The problem is, is the word meaningless is a moving target.
06:41First of all, what might be meaningful to you might be meaningless to someone else.
06:46And vice versa.
06:46The Warriors have flatly stated that this isn't meaningless to them.
06:51Only Steph and Steve Kerr and the organization can determine what is meaningful.
06:57But if I take that even a step further, I love what you just said.
07:01If you do go into all things with a defeatist attitude, then all things are meaningless.
07:09So if you decide before you arrive at something that the good outcome is not going to happen, it's out
07:18of reach,
07:18well then quite frankly, let's get all the people, raise your hand if on opening night you thought a championship
07:25was out of reach.
07:26It was unrealistic.
07:27Oh, of course.
07:27Okay, well then the whole season was meaningless before it started.
07:30Right.
07:31So why'd you ever play?
07:32Anybody, ever.
07:33And that's just not the way competitive athletes and pro athletes will look at these things.
07:39And I'm thinking about the COVID year, 2019, 2020.
07:43Steph Curry comes out and he plays four games and he breaks his hand.
07:47And that was still October.
07:48So, you know, at that point you were one and three, not a great start, but he's out and he's
07:54still out.
07:54And then he's, you know, thinking about coming back, but they're not really good and he's not fully healthy.
07:59Then COVID hits and the whole thing.
08:00And actually before COVID actually hit, hit, he came back and he played one game.
08:06People forget that.
08:07He came after missing, I guess, about 55 games or so.
08:12And we didn't yet have Rudy Gobert touching microphones.
08:15And none of us knew what was going on other than parts of the world were dealing with this virus
08:20thing.
08:20He comes back and he plays 27 minutes and he scores 23 points.
08:25And he came back and played because, wait for it, he wanted to play.
08:30The next two games he didn't play, their season was shut down and the rest was a nightmare of COVID
08:36history.
08:36But Steph Curry at that time, he wanted to play.
08:39He was healthy enough to play.
08:41He played, even though they were, whatever, like 13 and 53 at that point.
08:46Can we simplify it?
08:47That's how it works.
08:48Right.
08:49That's how it works.
08:50Right.
08:51You got a game, you're healthy, you play.
08:53Right.
08:54This is, like, stop thinking about all the other stuff.
08:57I mean, to an extent.
08:58Now, if you're healthy and it's like, oh, yeah, load manage it, we're going to load manage you.
09:03Unfortunately, that's a reality of the sport.
09:05For sure.
09:05But that's not what, like, we're not talking about skip a game here or skip a second half there.
09:10Right.
09:10We're talking about you don't come back because none of this is meaningful.
09:13Yeah, a lot of people are trying to rule them out for the rest of the year.
09:16I love that you brought up COVID.
09:18COVID actually hit my mind earlier because of this.
09:20I think the, remember COVID fatigue?
09:22So I'm not going to get into a debate about masks and vaccines and all of this stuff.
09:31What I am saying is I think all human beings, after a certain period of time, and everybody, in fact,
09:38there are still plenty of people who approach the whole idea of vaccines and masks and all of that.
09:43They all approach that a different way.
09:44And I think now we've sort of arrived at a spot where we all accept each other's choices on that
09:49a little bit better because it doesn't feel like we're all putting each other in imminent danger if you've got
09:54a certain opinion about that.
09:56But here's why I bring it up and what I'm getting at.
09:58All of us, I think, all of us, I think, arrived at a certain point to a lesser degree, some
10:04degrees different, but you arrive at a point where you go, look, we can go ahead and just live in
10:11fear for the remainder of our lives if we want.
10:16Or we can, on some level, fight through this and try to come out the other side.
10:23Like, where is your risk mitigation bar with anything that you do?
10:30Right.
10:30I mean, I could argue, I mean, don't leave the house.
10:34Don't get on the freeway.
10:36I joke about my mom, if you've got a plane flight at 2, she wants to leave, especially now.
10:42Did you see the TSA?
10:43No doubt.
10:44We've got to go at 7 in the morning.
10:46I flew last weekend.
10:48Lovely Christy flew the weekend before that.
10:51Multiple airports.
10:52We got through.
10:53We got through in 10 or 15 minutes.
10:55I'm not telling you what you see on the news is wrong, but it's not fully representative of everything that's
11:02going on in every airport in America.
11:04America and we can be terrified and show up 10 hours before or never buy that plane ticket at all.
11:12Or we can do the damn thing and we can take some of the bad stuff that is going to
11:16happen in life.
11:17But, by the way, we'll also get the good.
11:19Yeah, but you use the phrase, I think, is the one that pays, which is risk mitigation.
11:23And so when you think about your life, you got to think about risk mitigation.
11:27And if you want to drive from your house to work and you want to go 90 miles an hour
11:32and you want to swerve in and out of lanes
11:34and you want to just drive and go as fast as you can, like you're a race car driver, that's
11:39risky.
11:39And for me, the risk reward of that is not worth it.
11:43But you see people all the time who are, they're just going 90, 95 on the freeway,
11:47or maybe you're on a motorcycle and you're lane splitting and you're zipping in and out.
11:51For me, that's a poor mitigation of the risk involved in doing those types of things.
11:57When I think about Steph Curry playing basketball, something that he's done professionally now for,
12:02is this year 16, I think, or 17 for Steph?
12:05And so he's been doing this long enough to understand when he's able to and when he's not able to.
12:12And the way he plays, I think he mitigates risk by playing a certain way.
12:17He doesn't often get into the lane and try to go up and dunk on people.
12:21He mitigates risk with the way he plays.
12:23So for Steph Curry, are you looking at him coming back and thinking,
12:27well, man, the way he plays, it is reckless.
12:30And the other one I think about is Kevin Durant,
12:32where that was probably not good risk mitigation when he came back with a calf strain.
12:36But he was fully aware of what could happen.
12:39And what also could have happened is he doesn't get hurt.
12:43He wins his third title in a row or the calf flares up, the Achilles goes out and he's screwed.
12:48So that was one that he had to mitigate the risk.
12:51And he made his choice, much like Steph will make his choice.
12:55When the knees aren't barking and there's games left to play,
12:58he's going to play because I'm sure he feels like the risk is being mitigated by the reality of where
13:05he'll be.
13:05So I want to read you another sentence.
13:07And this is a multi-text text that just came through.
13:126-5-0, I see the whole thing, but I'm going to highlight how you ended it.
13:16He's talking about like when Steph was going to come back at the trade deadline and not coming back now.
13:21But this is how the whole thing ends.
13:24There is absolutely no reason to play him.
13:29All right.
13:30That's the one that gets me.
13:33That's the sentence that a lot of you love to do.
13:36That's the mic drop.
13:37That's the walk-off.
13:38There's absolutely no reason to play him.
13:42Somebody explain that to me.
13:43Well, I can think of like six reasons to play him.
13:47Go ahead.
13:47Reason number one, he wants to.
13:50And he's earned the right to, well, number two would be,
13:53he's earned the right to make his own decisions with his own career.
13:57So long as it's not reckless, like I'm going to play 48 minutes the rest of the year.
14:01No, you want to play Steph, you get to play.
14:04He wants to.
14:05He's good at it.
14:06He's a marquee attraction for a team that is still looking to, you know,
14:11sell some tickets to their fans and keep people excited.
14:14You get a chance to see him with Chris Stapp's Porzingis.
14:18And you still have a chance to win the NBA championship.
14:21What if I simplified it even more?
14:22I accept all your reasons.
14:24Those are all reasons.
14:24Those are all reasons.
14:25I accept all of them.
14:26Here's another one.
14:27That's what they do.
14:28Right.
14:29That's it.
14:30This is fundamental.
14:31Go all the way down.
14:32Why do you do anything that you do?
14:36There's absolutely no reason to play.
14:38There's absolutely no reason to eat dessert.
14:42There's absolutely no reason for any of you to go play basketball.
14:48There's no reason.
14:50I can think of way safer workouts for all of you 40 and 50 and 60 year olds.
14:57Way safer.
14:58I can get you in way better shape.
15:00Well, you can say that there's no reason for a bunch of things,
15:04but it comes down to what you were talking about earlier,
15:06which is this is your life.
15:08Like you know,
15:08you got to live your life at some point.
15:10And his basketball life is running out.
15:13And you know,
15:14if his basketball life ends,
15:16it's been a good run.
15:18It's been a hell of a run.
15:18See what,
15:19what I think is fundamental in this conversation.
15:21What I,
15:22so what I hear when anybody says stuff like that,
15:24I feel like the warrior fan base has caught the championship or bust disease.
15:31You've caught it.
15:33Forget COVID.
15:34Y'all caught the championship or bust disease.
15:37And when you have the championship or bust disease,
15:40you completely divorce yourself from what I think is 98% of the fan experience.
15:47You divorce yourself from the regular season.
15:50You divorce yourself from popcorn in section one 20.
15:54You divorce yourself from watch party.
15:57You divorce yourself from Steph Curry and his warmup routine and hitting tunnel shots.
16:04You divorce yourself from everything that we do.
16:07If your opinion is,
16:09I only want to see the warriors do things that help them win a championship.
16:14That is not the way they run their business,
16:18nor should it be because that is not like you want to talk about what's not realistic.
16:24That is not realistic.
16:26They are an entertainment entity that is doing things round the clock,
16:31365 days a year.
16:33The goal is to compete for championships and hope that you win some sometimes.
16:39And they've done exactly that.
16:41But if you're going to tell me that nothing else carries a point,
16:47like there's no reason for existing unless you win a championship.
16:52Well,
16:53quite frankly,
16:54you've just offended the rest of the roster.
16:56Why the hell are they playing?
16:58Right.
16:58Well,
16:58they would be playing and you would like hold back all your best players until about game 75
17:03and then ramp them up for the playoffs.
17:05They'll be fresh.
17:06Why is Kristaps playing?
17:08Because,
17:09I mean,
17:09he wants a contract.
17:11There's no reason to play him.
17:12Well,
17:12I'm sure his reasons are he feels healthy enough finally to play basketball and he's seven foot
17:17three.
17:18So what else is he going to do?
17:20Go out there and be a middle blocker for some European pro volleyball squad?
17:23It's not a bad idea.
17:24I mean,
17:24he'd be really good.
17:25Yeah.
17:26Chamberlain was one of the phenomenal volleyball players of his time,
17:29but good athletes are good athletes.
17:30This is what they do.
17:32And if you're a rock star and you've been doing it for 35 or 40 years,
17:37should you still be out there rocking and rolling?
17:39Well,
17:39if you want to,
17:40and people want to pay to come see you,
17:42then do it.
17:43But what about the hearing loss?
17:45And what about,
17:45you know,
17:46the risk of falling off the stage and all the other things?
17:49And you know,
17:50if you're a rock and roll superstar and you've been doing it for a long time,
17:53and this is what you do,
17:54and this is what you're good at.
17:55And this is what brings you joy.
17:57Then you do it.
17:58And you know,
17:59if you're Steph,
18:00you don't get to be an old rocker.
18:02You don't get to be Mick Jagger playing NBA basketball until you're 70.
18:05What,
18:05what if I asked any fan that's like,
18:08boy,
18:08this is,
18:09we shouldn't play Steph.
18:10This year's not going anywhere.
18:12Then why are you watching?
18:14Because it's a lot of fun.
18:16LJ Cryer,
18:16get to know him.
18:17Well,
18:17if it's a lot of fun,
18:18then that's the reason to play Steph Curry.
18:21Right.
18:22And think about last night where that thing was not a Picasso by either team,
18:26but that was a very entertaining game.
18:28It was,
18:28it was probably a nine out of 10 in the entertainment value.
18:32And the Moses thing probably took it from being a 10 out of 10,
18:36but I think it was a wild,
18:37hot mess at times.
18:38And,
18:39you know,
18:39getting big shots and Cooper flag is really good.
18:42And that was an entertaining game.
18:44Favorite game of the tournament so far.
18:47Easily.
18:47Santa Clara and Kentucky round one,
18:50ain't a snowball's chance in hell of either one of those teams winning the whole thing.
18:58And that's true.
18:59Cause by the way,
19:00they're both out.
19:01Yep.
19:02But there was never a chance in hell that either one of them was going to win the whole thing.
19:06And before you tell me that,
19:07Oh,
19:08but Santa Clara,
19:09like their reason for being in the tournament is to just win a game or two.
19:14Well,
19:14the other team's Kentucky.
19:16That's a blue blood.
19:17They don't give a rip about a seven seed.
19:20Yep.
19:21But I saw all the fans in the stands and,
19:24and tears in their eyes.
19:25And by the way,
19:26they get to go home having been at one of the most exciting tournament games that has ever happened.
19:33Quite frankly,
19:34in the history of this event.
19:37Should we have not even done it?
19:39That's pretty fun game.
19:40And you can take it even further to Iowa and Florida where Iowa stuns Florida.
19:45Now they're in the sweet 16 and their odds to win the tourney are about 500 to one.
19:51So they're not going to win the tournament.
19:52No,
19:53they might beat Nebraska.
19:54They could.
19:55Those teams will split in the regular year.
19:56And that's kind of a fun little,
19:57like neither one of you has a chance matchup,
20:00but I'm going to make Turkey.
20:01Cause when Iowa plays Nebraska,
20:02it feels like Thanksgiving to me.
20:04No doubt.
20:04But,
20:04but anyway,
20:05one of those two teams is going to the elite eight and you'll probably face one of these heavily
20:09favored teams.
20:10And you're allowed to win that as well.
20:12But to your point,
20:14like of all the NBA teams right now,
20:1720 of them are going to make at least the play in and 14 or 15 of those teams don't
20:22have much of a shot.
20:23So should they all bubble wrap,
20:25bubble wrap each other,
20:26just have a big giant bubble wrap party and agree to not play.
20:30Those are fun to pop those little.
20:32Oh yeah.
20:33They're fun.
20:33Let's go to Ben in Oakland.
20:35Hi Ben.
20:35Thanks for calling.
20:37Hey,
20:38thanks for having me.
20:39I'm going to agree with you and disagree with you at the same time.
20:44You're my kind of guy,
20:45Ben.
20:45Let's go.
20:47Okay.
20:48So first I agree that we live in a society of inconsistencies.
20:52Just look at the politics.
20:54We'll leave it at that.
20:55Where people don't follow through on their takes,
20:57but with the whole staff thing,
20:59I do disagree with you because load management in its base.
21:03It's what's really bad is when the young players and the 30 year olds and the 27 year olds don't
21:09play.
21:09Steph is old.
21:12And so I think it has a different connotation when you deal with somebody his age.
21:17Al Horford not playing back to back.
21:19I mean,
21:19no one's going there to see Al.
21:20Sorry.
21:22But it's just a different thing.
21:24And then the way the Warriors are operating in terms of their front office moves is everything for Steph.
21:30But everything for Steph means everything for Steph to win a championship.
21:34And I don't see how Steph playing right now helps him win a championship next year.
21:40If anything,
21:41you know,
21:41ramping up,
21:42trying to get ready,
21:43you know,
21:44the Warriors aren't going to let him play unless he's a hundred percent ready.
21:47And that whole ramp up doesn't give them the longer rest.
21:50Why did we win in 2022?
21:52Probably because he got injured and he was fresh for the playoffs.
21:55Well,
21:55it helped.
21:56It helped.
21:57Yeah.
21:58Ben,
22:00go ahead.
22:01Go ahead.
22:01Finish up.
22:02No,
22:03no,
22:03no,
22:03no,
22:03no,
22:03no.
22:03I,
22:04I,
22:04I always talk over people.
22:05Well,
22:06no,
22:06but we got it.
22:06We got to run Ben.
22:07See,
22:07we got this radio show here thing and there's a clock and we have to be.
22:11So anyway,
22:13I think we got your point and thank you very much.
22:15Really,
22:15really appreciate the call.
22:17Here's,
22:18here's what I'd say.
22:19The,
22:19the issue here is,
22:21is that the Warriors have what a lot of you think is an unrealistic goal.
22:27And that's fine.
22:28You're probably right,
22:30but I'm a fan of unrealistic.
22:31Goals.
22:32Steph Curry,
22:33making the NBA was an unrealistic goal.
22:36Steph being a superstar was an unrealistic goal.
22:39Steph wouldn't even have any university,
22:41a big time university.
22:42Give him a scholarship.
22:43I'm a fan of unrealistic goals.
22:46I'm with you.
22:46I don't think they're winning a championship this year,
22:48but they haven't given up on that goal.
22:50And you've got to be in it to win it.
22:52And that's all they want.
22:53And they probably deep down have the same expectations as all the fans.
22:57Like deep down in a quiet room,
22:59they know that they're almost certainly not going to win it.
23:03But if they don't make it out of the play-in,
23:05it's a hundred percent that they won't win it.
23:07But if they don't win it,
23:07they don't win it.
23:07But if they don't win it...
23:07...
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