00:00I do want to let everybody reboot a little bit.
00:02And actually, I should have the exact wording in front of me.
00:07Lucas, if you would pull everything so we've got the exact wording in front of us.
00:12But just to recap, for those of you who might not have been around on all of this yesterday afternoon,
00:18Scott Osler writes a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle.
00:21The basic idea of the piece is, hey, the team still loves Bob Melvin.
00:26So you fans may not love Bob Melvin.
00:28The team loves Bob Melvin.
00:29And for whatever reason, Elliot Ramos, in answering the question,
00:33why doesn't Bob show more energy or passion or anger, Elliot turned it, it sounded like, turned it on the fans.
00:41And basically said, that's not who Bob is.
00:44We love Bob.
00:45Nobody knows what's going on in here.
00:47When we were winning, everyone was with us, and now everyone's against us.
00:51But fans are fans, and there's nothing you can do about that.
00:53It was a little snooty and dismissive sounding, but it is words on a piece of paper.
00:58And Scott came on with the Joes this morning and very much said, that's not where Elliot was coming from.
01:05That's not what he meant.
01:06And I don't think any of us thought that.
01:08But it did send the echo chamber in which we live into a firestorm.
01:14Because don't come at the fans, don't do it, don't do it, you're never going to win when you come at the fans.
01:20And then before the game last night, yes, Elliot spoke to Alex Pavlovich and others and said, that is not what I meant.
01:27We've got great fans.
01:28I'm just trying to explain to people that our team has a very clear feeling of how things have gone down here,
01:35and we don't believe that it's a Bob Melvin problem.
01:38And I actually largely agree with him on that.
01:41But also, the damage gets done.
01:44But you know what I wanted to do?
01:45I wanted to really kind of explore today, because this comes from genuine curiosity.
01:49888-957-9570, when Elliot says, because I'm also going to go with somebody's first comment,
01:59because I think that's genuine and authentic,
02:01you said, they were with us when we're winning, and now they're against us.
02:08Where did you hear that, Elliot?
02:11What made you feel that way?
02:12That is my question.
02:14Because are Giants fans actually against the team?
02:20If it's led by Bob Melvin?
02:23And maybe this is stupid, because I'm asking our own echo chamber,
02:27if this is just an echo chamber.
02:29So maybe a bunch of people are going to call and be like,
02:31yes, we hate Bob Melvin.
02:33We hate him.
02:34And we want him gone.
02:36And I will not be a part of watching this team anymore than he manages.
02:40If that's how you feel, great, call us and tell us that.
02:43But I wonder if the other perception is out there, too,
02:46which is that if you only listen to Twitter,
02:48and if you only listen to 95.7 The Game,
02:51and you only listen to sports radio, and you only read columnists,
02:55maybe you think the Giants fan base really despises Bob Melvin
02:59and his demanding change.
03:01I don't know if I believe that,
03:03or if that's just what Elliot's feeling because he opened up his phone.
03:07It depends on where you look.
03:08And you can shop on the internet for whatever story you want.
03:12You can get whatever narrative you want.
03:14And I did this earlier.
03:15We had our little show meeting down the hall,
03:17and I was showing you site after site after site after site,
03:21article after article, around the Foghorn,
03:24which is an online fan site.
03:28McCovey Chronicles.
03:29We all know that one.
03:30That's a pretty popular one.
03:32Reddit, which is kind of a warehouse of posts and opinions.
03:36It's kind of like the written version of TikTok, I guess.
03:40You start a thread, and then people comment,
03:42and it's an open forum of remarks and action.
03:46And even the Krook and Kipe page on Facebook,
03:50unofficial, though it may be,
03:51with more than 100,000 members on that Facebook page,
03:56they all were talking about the same thing.
03:58Either he's got to go, or is it time he goes?
04:02Do you think he should go?
04:03All of those different sites and all those different posts
04:06were about Bob Melvin and losing his job.
04:09But those are the internet.
04:10Right.
04:11So the echo chamber is more than sports talk radio.
04:14It's more than newspapers and Instagram and Twitter.
04:17It is a number of different other platforms where, you know, fans,
04:22one fan can be frustrated with an audience,
04:24and then it becomes a bigger thing than, you know, anything else.
04:28No doubt.
04:29But I guess my question is, is like, our platforms,
04:32no matter how many of them there are, is that real life?
04:36Is that real life?
04:36How can we have nothing but platforms that say,
04:41damn it, I'm so done with this team, get Bob Mel out of here,
04:45and then 38,000 punch their ticket to go in there, grab a hot dog,
04:49high-five each other, and have a good time?
04:52That, I mean, like, it doesn't match up.
04:54And I think we have learned this lesson many times in our lives,
04:57that what's happening on our phones is not always real life.
05:01I'm not saying it is not somewhat, and sometimes it's very real life.
05:06But I would love to do a little bit of a straw poll here.
05:09Right.
05:09To what level is the phone real life?
05:13I go back, and we referenced it yesterday.
05:15And this was a comment that was made by Damian Lee on a podcast about Steph Curry
05:22going into the locker room at halftime when he's not shooting well,
05:26pulling up his phone, and scrolling through social media to see comments.
05:30I believe that it was because he wanted to motivate himself,
05:33and any human being reads a bunch of junk about himself or herself on the Internet,
05:37it's going to fire you up to want to go out there and disprove.
05:40And if that makes Steph shoot the ball better in the second half of a game,
05:43I would do the exact same thing.
05:46But are you telling me that if Steph does that at halftime,
05:49he really believes that Warrior fans are against him?
05:52Like, are you kidding me?
05:54Nobody has loved anybody more ever in the history of Earth
05:58than Warrior fans loving Steph Curry.
06:01So you can find on your laptop or your phone
06:05an avalanche of negativity if you want.
06:10And I don't know that it's a fair representation of what's happening
06:14on the sidewalk in front of Willie Mays.
06:17True.
06:17And if you're Bob Melvin and you are now in your 22nd year as a manager,
06:23you've been through enough of this to know that all of the echo chamber
06:28and all the nonsense and the noise out there, it doesn't matter.
06:31What matters is how your players feel about you,
06:34how your management feels about you, and what your record is.
06:37And from all measurements, and you have a better finger on the pulse than I do,
06:42the players are behind Bob Melvin and the management.
06:46Buster Posey gave him an extension,
06:48and Buster Posey is not the kind of guy who's going to hair-trigger,
06:53make a decision based on the fact that they're 2-13 at home since the All-Star break.
06:58And I would even go further up the ladder to Manazian and Larry Baer and Greg Johnson.
07:03They're not people who make these types of decisions because they're a stable organization.
07:09And the third piece of it is the fans.
07:11And the fans look at the last four years of we're either at 500,
07:17a stitch above, a couple stitches below, and the fans are frustrated.
07:20And so for the fans, you can't fire Chapman, Devers, Adamus, Jung-Hoo Lee, Logan Webb.
07:27You can't fire them.
07:29So to whom do you turn?
07:31Bob Melvin and darn it, Pat Burrell.
07:34Can I play you something?
07:35Do it.
07:36You won't.
07:37No, I will.
07:38Okay, I dare you.
07:40So I was on the echo chamber last night because we did this,
07:45and it took over our 5 o'clock hour, and then I went home, and I'm like,
07:49what's going on?
07:50What's everybody feeling about all of this?
07:52And I found someone on Twitter, a video that obviously it popped up on my feed,
07:56so it must have been getting some traction.
07:59I don't follow this person or know who it is, but this popped up on my Twitter feed.
08:03If you're out there, Giants fan, his name is Zordon Morty.
08:08I want you to listen after the Ramos comments.
08:11Zordon clearly had not seen the retraction yet.
08:14And he put this on social media.
08:17It's very bold of a player to play a game as their job.
08:23A person such as myself and other people in San Francisco who work 12-hour f***ing days
08:28for places that they don't want to be in,
08:31we can't have an opinion on the s*** that we see on the field?
08:34How f***ing dare you, Helio?
08:36I'll be more than happy, more than happy without you being on the team next year.
08:40I hope you get traded.
08:42I hope you get traded.
08:44Because what you just said is f***ing outrageous.
08:47You guys losing a s*** in the bed multiple times,
08:50and especially you, can't even make a f***ing throw to third base.
08:53You suck, bro.
08:55F*** you, Helio Ramos.
08:56I will stand on that, and I will die on that.
08:59Okay.
08:59Is that how everyone feels?
09:02He's passionate.
09:05Honestly, I would love to get into a conversation with all of you about how much of this is real
09:12versus how much of it is the very loud minority.
09:17And that can be about Elliott.
09:18It can be about Bommel.
09:20It can be about the Giants as a whole.
09:22It can be about Bommel.
09:22It can be about the Giants as a whole.
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