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00:00I'm not going to say Buster has or hasn't made up his mind.
00:04I think there's some fuzziness to the picture.
00:08And I didn't think that.
00:10Two weeks ago, you were definitive.
00:13And now I don't think you're putting it at 50-50,
00:15but you've definitely moved toward a 65-35.
00:20That feels more like it.
00:22And I think about a couple things.
00:24One, how much of this is on Bob?
00:27Well, none of us really know.
00:29We can all think what we think.
00:30And Guru runs hot on Pat Burrell, the hitting coach.
00:33And I can see some of that.
00:35And Matt Williams, the third-base coach, your favorite, your boyhood idol,
00:40and Bob Melvin and this and that.
00:42But a couple things.
00:43One, has he lost the clubhouse is always the biggest one.
00:47And I don't believe that he has.
00:49And number two is, all right, so you're going to move off of Bob Melvin.
00:53What are you going to do about it?
00:55Are you going to elevate Matt Williams?
00:56It looks like, from the reports I've been reading,
00:59that Bruce Bochy is more likely to re-retire.
01:04Re-retire.
01:05Shut up, re-re.
01:06So I think that he's more likely to retire than he is to rejoin the Giants.
01:11So if you want to move off of Bob Melvin, what are you going to do about it?
01:14I have a really unpopular take on that anyway.
01:17Okay.
01:18That would be the wrong move.
01:22I could not love Bruce Bochy more.
01:26Hey, Mark.
01:27Happy birthday.
01:29Okay.
01:29Got to go.
01:31Thanks for calling.
01:32Hey, Mark.
01:32This is Bochy.
01:33Hi, Mark.
01:34Happy birthday again.
01:35All right.
01:35See you later.
01:3734-second interview.
01:39I love that man.
01:41I could not be.
01:42He called on your birthday.
01:43I could not be a bigger fan of that man.
01:47Some advice was given to me by somebody who I really, really trust years ago
01:52after a job was kind of taken from me by a person who then had their job taken from them.
01:59Oh, karma.
02:00And then the job kind of started to come back and be like,
02:03whoops, we actually shouldn't have let you go.
02:05Can we maybe bring you back?
02:07And some advice was given to me about the idea of trying to redo history again.
02:16And something that was great once, and you go back and do it again,
02:22it almost never works out the way that you think it works out.
02:28I love that man.
02:30That's not the right thing, in my opinion, for the Giants to do right now.
02:33A, I don't think it's available.
02:35B, as you said, he's much more likely to re-retire.
02:40And C, and this is the big thing, I really want to let that experience with Boach,
02:48I want to leave that right where it was.
02:50It was perfect.
02:51It's a Hall of Fame manager.
02:53He came here, brought three championships to the Bay when they had never been here before.
02:58And I just, I do not want to.
03:00You remember when Phil Jackson went back to the Lakers?
03:04Ugh.
03:05It was a mess.
03:06I'd forgotten about that.
03:07It was a mess.
03:07Yep.
03:08Mike Shanahan went back, I think, to Washington.
03:11Maybe I'm remembering that incorrectly.
03:14But, like, there are great coaches who then you go back to the, it doesn't look the same.
03:21It's not just like, oh, Boach, we're going to win it all.
03:25It's a completely different league now.
03:27With a completely different roster.
03:28He's a great manager.
03:30I'm not saying that.
03:31But I don't think that that would look and feel like people think it would look and feel.
03:37I don't think that.
03:39Yeah.
03:39I mean, baseball is totally different.
03:41And he got another one in Texas.
03:43And this year they have kind of finished the year, not unlike the way the Giants have finished the year.
03:49So that's always the thing that I look at.
03:51You want Bob Melvin out, who is going to be your replacement, and what are you going to do philosophically?
03:58That, for me, Mark, is the bigger one.
04:00And I was talking earlier about Marco Luciano.
04:04You realize that he's played 500 games in the minor leagues with an OPS of 800 in the minor leagues.
04:12500 games.
04:14He just turned 24, and yet he doesn't have a position.
04:18You don't want him to play virtually anywhere on defense.
04:23And yet, he's still in the organization, and he still can't play defense.
04:26So where do we put the blame for that?
04:29Certainly it's on the player to a great extent.
04:31Not Bob Melvin.
04:32That's right.
04:32I mean, Marco Luciano has been here forever.
04:34So I look more organizationally at the problems with the Giants.
04:38And you haven't really ever developed a great farm system.
04:42And you haven't had a pipeline of players who come up and excel.
04:48And it's been that way since, what, 2009?
04:51You go back to Pablo and Timmy and, hmm, he's a horse.
04:57And Bum and Posey.
04:59And those guys, since then, you haven't had that pipeline.
05:01So is that on Kapler or Boach or Melvin?
05:05Of course not.
05:06No, it's an organizational failure.
05:07That's my thing.
05:08And it's like, man, I'm a firm believer.
05:11Nothing is ever one person's fault.
05:13It just never.
05:14And I know some of you.
05:15Other than Steve Kerr not developing young people.
05:17Well, sure, that's completely on Steve because he's an awful human being.
05:20But outside of that, outside of that, like, even, and I do not want to get political here
05:26or anything like that, but when something awful happens in the world,
05:28when somebody does something awful, awful, awful, even if you want to say 99.9% of the
05:35blame is on them, I guarantee you, if you wanted to really do a deep dive and go look at that
05:40person's background and who raised them or who abused them or who whatever, like, nothing,
05:48in my opinion, is ever one person's fault.
05:52And that absolutely applies to sports when we're looking at seasons that have gone awry.
05:57So, my ears are wide open to the idea of Bomell stays, Bomell goes, if he goes, who are you going to bring in?
06:05My ears are wide open.
06:07I would tell you that if I was making the decision, Bomell would be back next year.
06:11But I get it.
06:12I get it.
06:13I share the absolute feeling that this is not acceptable Giants baseball.
06:19This organization has too many resources, too much money, too great of a ballpark, too wonderful of a history,
06:29to have fallen into this situation where we have collectively decided,
06:35well, you can't compete with the Dodgers.
06:38I mean, they're just too good.
06:39They've just got all the money and all the players and all this.
06:43Now, meantime, who the hell, raise your hand, is okay with a world where you also, as Giants fans,
06:51feel like you can't compete with the Padres?
06:54What are we doing?
06:57What on earth are we doing?
06:59Have we decided that that's a better organization than this?
07:04That organization, which spent 30 years telling its fans we're three years away for 30 years,
07:12like they finally figured some things out.
07:15They still haven't been to a World Series in recent times.
07:19So, like this idea that, like, oh, those two teams, what are you going to do about it?
07:24Get on their level.
07:26Get on their level.
07:27And I believe that that's the way Buster thinks.
07:30And I believe in him.
07:31But he's got a tough job.
07:33He's got a tough job because he does not have a tremendous minor league system right now.
07:38Right.
07:38So he attacked that the way that he could.
07:40And he brought in really good players.
07:42And they kind of performed.
07:44And it still didn't work.
07:45So, yeah.
07:46Yeah.
07:47Everybody is in a vulnerable position.
07:49I like what you said about it's never just one person's fault.
07:52And I want to encourage you and everyone to bring that same energy when we say things like
07:59Ronnie Bell and Kwaski Tart, for example.
08:03And Kyle Williams, 49ers, where it's never just the one person's fault.
08:07And we all will remember the Ronnie Bell drop that happened.
08:11And I'm just looking at it here.
08:13Minute eight to go.
08:14Tie game.
08:15Ronnie Bell with a drop that would have put them in field goal range.
08:19And Jake Moody, he was pretty good at the time.
08:21And you would hope he would make the kick.
08:23But he didn't.
08:26And next thing you know, a 25-yard P.I.
08:29And a big kick return by Xavier Smith.
08:32And you lose.
08:33So, we all remember Ronnie Bell and the drop because that was huge.
08:36But it's never just one person's fault.
08:39And Kwaski Tart dropping an interception that was thrown right to him against the Rams in a game
08:44that you probably would have won if he caught the ball.
08:47But it's never one person's fault.
08:49That's correct.
08:50There's always plays that are the face of the loss.
08:52Sure.
08:53But, no.
08:54There's no such thing as it being one person or one play even.
08:57Lucky in the city.
08:59Hi, Lucky.
08:59Thanks for the call.
09:00What's up?
09:00Hey, what's up?
09:02Will it is?
09:03How are you guys doing today?
09:04We're good, man.
09:07Well, on this topic, man, I respect Bob Melvin, man.
09:12You actually watch him play.
09:13And so, as a manager, he's had several teams, four teams, man, that he had super talent with
09:23and never did anything.
09:24The A's, Cleveland twice, even us.
09:28I think somebody else as well, if I'm not mistaken.
09:31And with all that talent and you're a manager and you're supposed to know the game and, you know,
09:38you played in the position, but you can't get your team past a certain level.
09:44Why would you want to subject yourself to doing that again for a whole other season of having somebody who's –
09:52I'd give him a Hall of Fame nod, but he's not a Hall of Fame manist.
09:58So, what are we going to do?
10:00I think go get somebody else.
10:01We don't have to necessarily go get Bruce Bochy, but go get somebody who has a passion and who has a flair
10:08and can bring something out of our team, man, because we have – it's like a bubble that we have that's waiting to pop, man,
10:13and he's just holding it in his hand and not doing nothing with it.
10:16Come on, man.
10:17Let our talent explode on the field so we can start surpassing the Dodgers, Arizona, and the Padres, man.
10:25I know we're not better than them right now, but I feel we're better than them.
10:29Let's go, man.
10:30Come on, man.
10:31Show us something.
10:32Lucky – yeah, Lucky, thanks.
10:34The only issue with what Lucky's saying – I think Lucky speaks for many.
10:37There's a premise in there that I'm not 100% sure is basically the case.
10:44And when he says that you're – like, why would you bring Bomell back when you know for sure that he can't get anything out of these guys?
10:52I don't know that for sure yet.
10:55I know he didn't this time, although he did for a month and a half, and then he didn't for a month and a half,
11:03and then he did for a month, and then he didn't for three weeks.
11:06And, in fact, that's where my inner conflict comes from.
11:10Like, if he couldn't get anything out of them, then why for weeks at a time he was getting something out of them?
11:16And then suddenly he wasn't.
11:18But then he was.
11:19Right.
11:19And then he wasn't.
11:20Well, which is the real Bomell?
11:22Which is the real Giants?
11:23Which is the real Rafi?
11:24Which is the real Adamus?
11:26I don't know.
11:27I don't know.
11:28It wasn't consistent enough, and I can't sit here and tell you I know the reason why.
11:34To me, it's senseless.
11:36Absolutely, they had the pieces this year.
11:39They had them.
11:40Not to win the division, but to go to the playoffs.
11:42They had the best bullpen in baseball in the first half of the year.
11:45They had real hitters.
11:46If it took Rafi and Willie a minute to kind of get acclimated, okay.
11:51I get that.
11:52But you look around the rosters and whatnot.
11:56To me, the pieces were in place.
11:59Two all-star pitchers, the pieces were in place.
12:03And it just didn't translate.
12:05I don't know why.
12:06Yeah, I don't really know either.
12:08And I'm thinking about the season where you come out of the deadline and you lose 10 of 12.
12:14You lose 10 of your first 12.
12:16And Toronto swept you.
12:18You took two of three from Atlanta.
12:20Swept by the Mets.
12:22Swept by the Pirates.
12:23And that was how you came out of the break.
12:25So, is that on the manager?
12:27Well, it's not on the manager.
12:29It's on the players.
12:30Ultimately, when the team started playing great, we talked about this before, your middle of the order was scorching.
12:37They all were 1,000 OPS or better.
12:40Your next three best hitters were also hot.
12:43So, you had six or seven of your nine regulars who were on a heater.
12:47And do you credit Bob Melvin for that?
12:49Probably not.
12:50But when your team went, what was it, 15 games and you scored 30 total runs?
12:55Is that on Bob Melvin?
12:57Well, if that's on Bo Mel, then he also gets credit for when those guys were equally hot.
13:02So, for me, sometimes we get too much into a spot of we blame the manager when it's bad, but we don't credit him when it's good.
13:11And that, to me, is unfair.
13:12I can prove it to you.
13:14Okay, okay, fans.
13:16Let's do it.
13:17Who's that manager for the Brewers who's doing such a great job?
13:22Is that one guy, right?
13:24Yeah.
13:24Who's the manager for the Cubs?
13:26Crushing it.
13:27Yeah.
13:27That's Don Zimmer, I think.
13:29I mean, we all know who the manager of the Dodgers is, and I would argue he's doing an awful job this year.
13:35They should be better than they are.
13:37Their bullpen is poop.
13:39It is absolute poop, and he keeps running the same people out there, and they're blowing games on a nightly basis, and they're going to lose in the playoffs.
13:46The Padres have a manager you might know because he's a division mate, but, like, he could be next to you in the grocery store, and none of you would know who it is.
13:53Philly's manager?
13:55Anyone?
13:56Seattle's manager?
13:58Go ahead.
13:58Oh, he's having a great year.
14:00Okay.
14:01Cleveland's manager you might know because he used to play for both of the teams here in the Bay Area.
14:06He used to cheer for them, yeah.
14:07Exactly.
14:08And I do believe in Steven Vogt.
14:10I wanted them to hire him.
14:12All right.
14:13And, oh, by the way, while everybody's staring at the Red Sox and Yankees on ESPN every single night, guess who's in first place in the American League East?
14:22The Blue Jays.
14:23Their manager is?
14:25Yeah, it's Cito Gaston.
14:26Okay.
14:26Most baseball fans.
14:29I like my 20-year-old answers.
14:30Yeah, same here.
14:31I don't even know who the managers are who are doing a quote-unquote good job.
14:36Baseball manager of the big three is by far the least important.
14:40The least important by far.
14:40Not even close.
14:41I agree with you 100%.
14:42NBA coach is still a good distance behind NFL head coach.
14:47They agree with you.
14:48Yeah.
14:48They agree.
14:49That's why NFL and NBA head coaches who are really good are making $10 million to $15 million a year.
14:54Baseball managers, some of the younger ones are making $1 million a year.
14:59I mean, it's not that.
15:01I mean, yes, it's important.
15:03Yes, it's important.
15:04But to think that they are the absolute heartbeat of the team's record, I just don't agree.
15:11I don't agree.
15:12And what you said earlier is really the most important thing that you need in a baseball manager, which is you have the clubhouse.
15:20The guys believe in you.
15:21And this is where Gabe Kapler ultimately had to go because the team was fed up with, oh, here comes a righty.
15:29I hit right-handed.
15:30I got to look over my shoulder because I'm coming out.
15:33I'd rather not play and be able to play cards with my teammates in the clubhouse because you lost me, Skip.
15:39And I don't think that Bob Melvin's gotten to that point, which is why he's managed, I think, a total of 22 seasons.
15:46And if you look at Bob Melvin, for his career, his winning percentage is 513.
15:52And do you realize that he's only won one postseason series in his career?
15:58One time.
16:00So if that wants to be your criticism, then that's fair.
16:04It was only with San Diego where they won a series and lost a series.
16:07But with the A's, unfortunately, they lost in 5.
16:11They lost in 5.
16:12With the D-backs, they lost in 7.
16:14Are those on Bob Melvin?
16:16Well, maybe.
16:17And so if that is your criteria, then all right, go ahead and bring somebody in who is super clutch in the postseason.
16:23The only hard part I'd have if I were Buster Posey, the only hard part I'd have about moving on from Bomo,
16:29Bomo, I'd almost have a hard time because I'd be like, I traded away your bullpen.
16:35And then you went on a run and you got even with a playoff spot.
16:39And then you had a bad two weeks and now I'm going to fire you?
16:44Like, I took things from you.
16:46I took, and rightfully so.
16:48Like, he shares in what got us to that point in the beginning.
16:53But I took things from you.
16:55And then, seemingly, now we're going to make a decision about Bomo based on what happened in the month of September.
17:01And it's like, dude, Bob was not, he would not play with a full deck this month.
17:05Yeah.
17:05At all.
17:05You went in the fridge and you took the lettuce.
17:08You took the tomatoes.
17:09You took the salad dressing.
17:10And you say, all right, Bob, make me a salad.
17:12Make me a salad.
17:13I got two cucumbers, I got some carrots, and I got some celery.
17:17All right.
17:18Let's see what we can do with this.
17:19Well, this is about a whole lot more than September.
17:21For sure.
17:22For sure.
17:23But, also, in the month of September, they drew even for a playoff spot.
17:27They were right there.
17:29So, he also did that without a bullpen.
17:32And that's really good.
17:34And then you had really two awful weeks, and then that's really bad.
17:38Yes, what happened prior to the trade deadline is part of the conversation, too.
17:41If we're not going to necessarily blame Bob Melvin for everything that went wrong, when
17:45it went wrong, why are we giving him credit for when it went good?
17:48I'm not doing either.
17:49You either have to do both or neither is my point.
17:52I'm going to do neither.
17:53Like, I don't think that he is the centerpiece of all this.
17:56I understand that when things don't go well, people sometimes have to lose their jobs.
18:02That's life.
18:04That's life.
18:04And so, he might.
18:05He might.
18:06I'm just telling you that if it were me, I would probably, I'd probably do one more
18:13year.
18:13I'd probably do one more year.
18:15I think that he would be, I think it'd be fair to give him that, especially when, as
18:20you mentioned, you trade his bullpen, and then in September, your rotation featured Kai
18:25Wei Tang with a 7 ERA, Carson Seymour, super wet behind the ears, and an opener spot, a
18:33bullpen game.
18:33That's the other thing.
18:34You want to talk about the most undersold thing that happened this year is, okay, here's
18:40your starting rotation, right?
18:42Remember those guys?
18:43And you had Logan Webb and you had Robbie Ray.
18:46Yep.
18:46Both top 10 in innings pitch.
18:48There you go.
18:48Justin Verlander went on some sort of weird, wacko journey all year long, and it took him
18:54at least half the year to figure out what was going on.
18:57And yes, he was hard luck in the first half of the year, but he also wasn't very good.
19:01And then he was really good, yet continued to be hard luck, but it was kind of too late
19:05on Verlander.
19:07Meantime, Kyle Harrison was underwhelming, then traded.
19:11Landon Roop was solid, and then gone.
19:15He got hurt.
19:17I'm trying to remember.
19:18Jordan Hicks was sideways and then traded, but he started nine games.
19:23Started at the beginning of the year, but to me, that was never really it.
19:27Don't forget Hayden Birdsong was supposed to be a part of this, and something went haywire
19:33mentally with Hayden.
19:35Really good start to the year.
19:37Interesting prospect.
19:38Whoa, he doesn't know where the ball's going anymore.
19:40So that's what, then we arrive at what you're talking about, where like everybody who had
19:47the name Carson was starting a baseball game every Tuesday.
19:52And it's like, how am I looking at Bob here?
19:55All of that is totally out of his hands.
19:58That's totally out of his hands.
20:00So what did you lean on?
20:01Well, we got this great bullpen.
20:02Well, we're trading all of them.
20:03But we'll leave you to one really good one.
20:06Oh, wait, he's hurt.
20:07So not to make excuses.
20:11No.
20:11But that was a tough draw.
20:15It's a tough one.
20:16And the thing about it is, through all that, you went on a heater because your offense finally
20:22started hitting like you would hope they would, and even beyond that.
20:26And then the pitching regressed to the mean, and the hitting dried up, and as a result,
20:31you've lost 10 of 12.
20:32Night-night.
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