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00:00What are you guys doing?
00:02Like, what are you building?
00:05A cavernous ballpark with no speed, defense, and pitching.
00:09And it's like, I can get into this.
00:12I like power hitters, too.
00:14And I'm a huge believer in what Bryce is going to be.
00:17And a huge supporter of Rafi Devers.
00:21He had a bad first month, but look at him now.
00:24Like, he looks like Rafi Devers.
00:26And he had to change positions.
00:28And he's handling that very well.
00:31So it's like, Giants, I'll follow your lead.
00:34You can convince me of this, but it needs to be supported.
00:40Right now, the whole organization feels like a bunch of people
00:43who aren't supporting each other.
00:45Your ballpark is not supporting your construction.
00:49You have players out of position.
00:52I was excited three weeks ago about Jesus Rodriguez.
00:55I now think he should be on the Sacramento Rivercats.
00:58There's no position that he can play yet at a big league level.
01:03And then, don't even get me going again on the Bryce Eldridge situation,
01:06which to me feels like a front office that is both not supporting its top prospect
01:11and its manager with the position that they've put these guys in.
01:16So, excuse me, if it feels like the right hand and the left hand are not working together.
01:21And that's what I think, in the end, leads to all of these things where then the small stuff,
01:27we end up having to sweat the small stuff, which is somebody got picked off at the wrong time
01:32or sent in the wrong scenario.
01:35And it freaks us out to no end because instead of just being a tough loss,
01:40it sends you to 22 and 34 and makes you think of all the examples
01:44of when other stuff like this has happened this year.
01:46Well, it makes you think about, like, the root cause of it.
01:49And for me, you can't look at the cause and not put it on Tony Vitello,
01:54at least in some significant way, because the buck stops with you.
01:59And you're the manager.
02:00And honestly, if you don't think that the third base coach should be the third base coach anymore,
02:04if you can't go to that person or to the team and say,
02:08look, we need to make a change, then what are we even doing?
02:11And I'm not saying that Tony wants a new third base coach,
02:14but if he doesn't, then that's a bit of a red flag for me.
02:17Your team is now tied for fourth in a category that you don't want to be among the top.
02:24It's oob, Mark.
02:26They are tied for fourth now in oob.
02:28Oob?
02:29Outs on base.
02:30Oob!
02:31Outs on base.
02:33Oob!
02:33Outs on base.
02:3419 now.
02:3519 outs on base.
02:37They were barely worse than the average going in.
02:40Two of them did two in the same inning.
02:42So they now have 19 outs on base, and it's the third base coach.
02:48It's the guy who doesn't know how many outs there are.
02:50It's the guy taking a lead that he doesn't need to take with two outs in the eighth inning.
02:55All these little things, for me, they go back to the one thing.
02:58You're the manager, and it's up to you to have your guys be buttoned up more often.
03:03But they're also, like, I think you need to acknowledge that what is the process about
03:08buttoning them up, and you can't go do it for them.
03:13Like, you can, it's kind of like, I like your example of Steve Kerr and the turnovers.
03:17You just scream about it until you're blue in the face.
03:19You cannot go out on the floor and stop them from turning the ball over.
03:24And this is the big question I have.
03:27I think where we arrive, and this is just as human beings, because a lot of us are parents
03:32or we deal with things at work, and we want to know to what level are we empowered when
03:38what the message that you're giving to people is not getting home, what do you do?
03:44This is classically where a guru loves to say flip the spread.
03:48Well, and I don't know if flip the spread works.
03:52So similar to your point, okay, Steve Kerr, how do you get Draymond and Steph to stop turning
03:56the ball over?
03:57Would you like to bench them?
03:58Would you like to bench future Hall of Famers?
04:00It is three a game.
04:01You know what I mean?
04:01And then what?
04:02What do you do?
04:03Well, then you actually have started, you know, playing Draymond Green less.
04:07Right.
04:07And you've started, you know, to do different things, and you try to encourage them to
04:11play a certain way, but turnovers are going to happen.
04:14Errors are going to happen.
04:15But when you look at all the little things with this Giants team, you are tied for fourth
04:20and outs on base.
04:21You're terrible base running.
04:22You don't steal bases.
04:23You're last in steals.
04:25You commit almost more outs than anybody.
04:27You don't catch the ball.
04:29When you do, a lot of times you don't throw the ball.
04:31Analytics will tell you it's the worst base running team in baseball.
04:34Right.
04:34That's a fact.
04:35No doubt.
04:35All right.
04:36Willie Adamas leads baseball in errors committed.
04:38So.
04:38He's your shortstop.
04:39All right.
04:40Is Tony Vitello right now, is he empowered?
04:46Is he in the right to go into this clubhouse and lose his S?
04:53Is he in the right to go into this clubhouse?
04:54Absolutely he is.
04:55Oh, no, no, no.
04:56I'm not saying would he be right to do it.
04:58Oh, is he empowered?
04:58I have no idea.
04:59Well, that to me is the question.
05:02Well, if he's not empowered to do that, then go ahead and replace him now.
05:06Because this team needs something other than what they've had so far.
05:10I don't even know if they do that in Major League Baseball anymore.
05:13I literally don't.
05:14I don't know if they do that anymore.
05:15Well, I know what Tony's been doing, which is taking the blame.
05:19Like, Tony yesterday was despondent.
05:21He was so upset that, you know, he was taking the blame for the loss.
05:26And it's, no, Tony, it's your players.
05:28It's your guy, your shortstop, who's committed 10 errors, who got cut down at home.
05:33It's your third base coach.
05:34It's your relief pitcher who couldn't be bothered to bend over and pick up a slow roller.
05:39Well, I mean, that's a physical mistake.
05:42Right.
05:42Like, that's a physical mistake.
05:45You as a team are sloppy.
05:46And you play in a ballpark where maybe the fence is too far.
05:50Whatever.
05:50This is your ballpark.
05:51And you can't rely on the three-run homer because all Adamus does is hit solo homers.
05:56And Eldridge hit one that should have been out.
05:58But it wasn't because you play there.
06:00So all those realities together, the bottom line is you cannot be a sloppy team in that ballpark.
06:07That is correct.
06:08But then again, who is at fault for the sloppy and then what can be done about it?
06:15We have more Tony Vitello.
06:17He was asked, maybe the words Hector Borg never came up, but he was asked, would you have sent him?
06:26Did you agree with the send?
06:29Are you ready?
06:30Oh, yeah.
06:30It's 43 seconds of did you agree with the send?
06:36It's kind of hard to say without having a full scope of looking at it.
06:40I mean, we got most of that play in front of us, but it's very easy to say you'd like
06:44to do it the other way when the guy gets thrown out.
06:47You know, Fernandez grabs that thing and throws it in the tank.
06:49You know, maybe everybody's celebrating and Luis advances all the way to third and we put the ball in play
06:54and now you're up one with Killian out there.
06:56So I think for what it's worth, we've taken as much time as anybody analyzing things postgame and reviewing things
07:03and we'll do that as well.
07:04So but the easy answer, to be honest with you, is the right thing is usually the thing that works
07:09out.
07:11And sometimes we're guilty of of it not working out because of decisions.
07:14And then, you know, there's even been some occasions where maybe you'd redo a decision, but the game or the
07:19instance works out for us.
07:20Tony, once again, is going to protect his guys.
07:23And that's he's got it.
07:25It's not a satisfactory answer.
07:26Well, and that to me was process versus results.
07:29And for him, he's basically saying the result was bad.
07:33So I guess the decision thus was bad.
07:36And that's more of a dibbly thing.
07:37You're the process guy.
07:39And the process is first and third one out.
07:42Yeah, no, it's it's a listen.
07:43There's no questioning that it was a terrible, terrible maneuver.
07:47But Tony's going to protect his guys.
07:50And if that is unacceptable to you, I guess.
07:53And this isn't me even defending anything.
07:55I'm really curious about this.
07:57Can we come up with a comp?
07:59Is there a comp where somebody now 2026, a head coach or a manager in any sport,
08:06heads to the podium and is like, yeah, screwed up?
08:11Yeah.
08:12The last time it happened, Kyle Shanahan did it to Steve Wilkes and we lost our freaking minds.
08:22And he lost his job.
08:24Correct.
08:25He knows he can't do that and stuff.
08:26We lost our minds.
08:28We still refer to it.
08:30I know people who are still mad at Kyle.
08:33I can honestly say I'm sort of built for this.
08:35And Steve had to do that.
08:35I rated one of my favorites.
08:37He had to do that.
08:38Like, so, I guess my point is, is I am in complete agreement with you.
08:46Like, nobody can defend the send.
08:51I don't want that t-shirt, defend the send.
08:53No, that's incredible.
08:54I don't, like, nobody.
08:55With a borg on the back.
08:56No.
08:58Nobody can defend the send.
09:00Totally.
09:00But are we asking for Tony Vitello, have we arrived after 56 games and a rookie manager
09:08from Tennessee, have we arrived at, we want him to go to a press conference and start taking
09:13names?
09:13No.
09:14What we want is for him to put a third base coach out there who has a higher level of
09:18competency.
09:19So, if you don't, if you want to have his back at a press conference.
09:22That might happen.
09:23If you want to have his back at the press conference and say, you know, what he said, process versus
09:27results, basically, that's fine.
09:29But, the definition of insanity is continually repeating something that is a failure.
09:34And that's what this is.
09:35So, yeah, Shanahan and Steve Wilkes, it's a great comp.
09:39Because you remember earlier in the year, Wilkes was calling the game from the booth and
09:43Shanahan didn't want him up in the booth.
09:45And so, eventually, Wilkes had to come down to the sideline.
09:48And so, Shanahan has more gravitas, obviously, than Vitello.
09:52Oh, sure.
09:53So, he can go to the podium and say, he knows he can't do that.
09:56You know, send a zero blitz at that spot in the game.
09:58Literally, the only other comp I can come up with is Steve Kerr and Brandon Pajemski.
10:04Like, you know what I mean?
10:06He cannot be that guy.
10:08He cannot be that guy.
10:09Like, we'll see it.
10:11But, again, we're talking about Steve flipping Kerr and a kid on a rookie contract.
10:20Versus Tony Vitello and a lot of us who want that pound of flesh of, we want you to call
10:26out Willie Adamas and one of your coaches 56 games into your big league career.
10:32So, all I'm acknowledging, I'm not even telling you that he should or that he shouldn't.
10:36I'm telling you that, A, I don't see that in professional sports a lot.
10:40And, B, that is a really tough spot for Tony.
10:44And, to me, the way I think about it, the organization has put him there multiple times this year.
10:51They've put him there with Bryce Eldridge repeatedly.
10:54And, now, they're putting him there with Hector Borg.
10:57And, I have no, like, I literally want to explore and find out who is in charge of making that
11:02decision.
11:03But, if you'll trade Patrick Bailey on a Saturday morning, how about if you replace Hector Borg on a Saturday
11:09morning?
11:10We've got another one coming up here in three days.
11:13Or, do it on a...
11:14Two days, right?
11:15Well, a Saturday is...
11:16Okay.
11:17But, whatever.
11:17Yeah, you've got another baseball game in two days.
11:19You can do it on a...
11:19Yes!
11:20You can give him the wrong flight information to Denver.
11:22He gets rerouted to, you know, Colorado Springs.
11:26I don't think this is crazy.
11:28And, it's not mean or it's not any of those things.
11:31It's professional sports.
11:32This is results-based and the results are terrible.
11:35And, in this particular case, it is coming from the same spot repeatedly.
11:41Yeah, you see this in the NFL where the head coach will take the play calling away from the offensive
11:48coordinator
11:48or he'll give it up himself to somebody else on the staff.
11:51So, you see those in-season moves, right?
11:53Where we're going to have a new play caller here for week nine because we're not happy with the way
11:58the flow has gone.
12:00And, it doesn't mean the person's fired right away.
12:02But, you can get reassigned and you can be a different person doing a different job.
12:07Absolutely.
12:08And, I think we've arrived at that time.
12:11You are tied for fours in outs on the bases, not all Borg's fault.
12:15And, you don't steal bases.
12:17Again, not his fault.
12:18Your base running is 30th out of 30.
12:21Your defense is 26th out of 30.
12:23You don't score runs.
12:25Like, your identity is basically, you are sloppy.
12:28Tony was also asked about just the base running.
12:30Just in general.
12:32Base running.
12:33Tony, what do you think?
12:34You know, I think a part of it is it needs to be revisited more.
12:37You know, just because you do things in spring training, it could be anything.
12:40Bunting, PFP, base running.
12:42Days go by.
12:43And, you're always sensitive to guys having their legs under them.
12:46But, I think those things need to be revisited, whether they're mentally or actually physically with reps.
12:51Part of the base running thing, I think, is by nature not having guys on base as much as we
12:56would like to earlier in the year.
12:58I think things are at least trending in the right direction as far as the on-base percentage.
13:02It's not necessarily, you know, today in particular, it's not what you want it to be.
13:06You know, and then, too, we've created a lot of problems by digging ourselves in a hole early and trying
13:12like crazy to get out.
13:13I think what we've all done is driven ourselves a little bit too crazy.
13:17Okay, so it's, you know, it's an answer that fits in with many of the others.
13:21There were two things that I liked in that answer.
13:24One, he twice used the word revisited.
13:27In other words, we need to take a new look at what our message is about base running.
13:33And the other thing that's kind of funny is when, basically he said,
13:40one of the problems with our base running is there's not enough of it.
13:44But, yeah, we don't have enough people on base.
13:47So, you know, they get there and they're like, huh, never been here before.
13:51Does anybody know what to do when you get to second base?
13:54Yeah, you're supposed to talk to the opponent.
13:57That's what we do around here.
13:58You know, get to know the shortstop of the other team.
14:02Hi, Mookie.
14:03I used to have a stuffed animal named Mookie.
14:06By the way, how many outs are there?
14:08I've lost count.
14:09I've told you this story and I hope my parents aren't listening.
14:11Hey, that's a good question.
14:12Hey, Mom and Dad, if you're listening, I apologize for putting this out there.
14:16But I told you the story of our wedding last year when my folks were the last two people to
14:20arrive
14:21because they couldn't find it.
14:23And they kept going right by the same turnoff.
14:26One time, two times, three times.
14:28Tom, I think you're supposed to turn there.
14:30And they just kept missing it.
14:32And then they finally got there.
14:34And we've talked about it and everything.
14:36And they're driving and whatnot.
14:37And they're getting up there in age.
14:39And that's basically one of the things they pointed to.
14:42They're like, we should avoid places where we don't know the roads.
14:47We've not driven there much before.
14:49It's kind of like the Giants in second and third base.
14:52Yeah.
14:53They've never been there before.
14:54So they're like, ah, sorry.
14:57I thought you were just supposed to keep running.
14:58I saw home plate and I was thinking, huh, that looks really fun.
15:02I haven't had a chance to speed around third all year.
15:05I think we're supposed to go there.
15:07Turn there.
15:08Go.
15:10Apparently, Willie was asked postgame if he was surprised that he got waved home.
15:16And he kind of said, I guess.
15:19Wait, are you being?
15:20Is this a joke or no?
15:22It's on your Twitter.
15:23You can see it out there.
15:25And it's basically asked, you know, were you surprised that you got sent?
15:30And his response was, I guess.
15:32And at the end of the clip, it was kind of like a half smile like, yeah, I was surprised.
15:36What do you think?
15:37Oh, this is so rough.
15:39I think he was actually asked, did you expect him sending you?
15:43And he was like, yeah, I guess.
15:44I think.
15:45But it's still not good either way.
15:46Yeah, I guess.
15:48I think the question was, did you expect to get sent?
15:50Yeah.
15:51Thank you, Greg.
15:51The answer still isn't a great one.
15:53And there's kind of a shruggy smirk at the end of it.
15:55Like, what do you guys think?
15:57I mean, Giants are 28th in on-base percentage.
16:02Just pure on-base.
16:03Who are these two teams that are behind them?
16:06What the hell are you all doing?
16:08The Mets.
16:09And the Padres.
16:10They're the team that doesn't make sense.
16:12The Padres are doing that thing like the Chiefs did two years ago.
16:15You mentioned that yesterday, yeah.
16:16You're just like, you guys are not that good, but you're winning.
16:19I'm not sure how.
16:22All right.
16:22Lou in Lafayette wants to weigh in on the Vitello thing.
16:25How much of this is on Tony, y'all?
16:28888-957-9570.
16:29Hey, Lou, thanks for calling.
16:31What's up?
16:32Well, first of all, you guys are great, and you make some great points.
16:36I'm going to try to tell you that let's give Tony Vitello a chance.
16:43It's May 27th.
16:45You know, we've got two-thirds of the season left.
16:49And teams get – I know no one's going to want to call this a slump, but it certainly
16:54is a slump.
16:55Most people will say it's more than a slump.
16:57But so when that happens, you've got all kinds of things you can point to that went
17:02wrong.
17:03But the other thing I wanted to say was, I was thinking about this the other day, that
17:08the Giants really have free agents.
17:11I mean, the only player they've got that was developed in the system that's a true great
17:16player is Logan Webb.
17:18I think maybe Heliot Ramos, someone would say he had him.
17:23But everyone else was a free agent.
17:25Now, compare that to the 2010-2014 Giants and the 2014-2022 Golden State Warriors.
17:34Both of those teams were basically homegrown talent.
17:38I mean, they added, obviously, some really good players.
17:41But, you know, Clay, Steph, and J-Mod Green were all drafted.
17:46And you look back at the Giants, you had Posey, and you had Crawford, and you had
17:50Felt, and you had Lincecum.
17:53So what I'm trying to say here, maybe the blame should be on Farhamp again.
17:59I know that he's been blamed tremendously.
18:01But, you know, we have gotten nothing out of the farm system.
18:06So last thing I want to say from my standpoint, and Tony Vitello would probably appreciate
18:12this, I think Bill Walsh only won two games his first season.
18:18I think he was 2-12.
18:20Could have been 2-14.
18:21But anyway, so I'm saying, you know, it's too early.
18:25Let's see how this thing plays out.
18:28Yeah, right now it's looking bad.
18:30But any time a team gets into a slump, you've got lots of things you can point to.
18:34So what do you guys think?
18:36Am I making any sense?
18:37Absolutely.
18:38Lou, thanks.
18:39Yeah, I'm actually not in a huge Tony Vitello assessment phase yet.
18:45It's been 56 games.
18:46I think he's got to work it out.
18:48If you want to make the point that they hired the wrong guy because of the learning curve,
18:52I'll hear that.
18:53But I think that Tony's been put in a tough spot.
18:55I think he's made some mistakes.
18:56I think that's predictable.
18:58And then I would say the same thing about Buster with regard to what Lou just said,
19:02and that is the farm system.
19:03Buster's not been in charge long enough to assess the farm system.
19:07There's no doubt what Lou is saying is correct.
19:09Over the last 10 years or so, the Giants have not generated enough off of their farm.
19:15Like, now, he made that whole call without mentioning Casey Schmidt,
19:19which in this moment I think needs to be mentioned.
19:22You know, there are other stories around the yard right now, not just Ramos and Webb.
19:28There's Schmidt, there's Landon Roop.
19:30I'm going to even give him credit for Caleb Killian, who's having a pretty good year,
19:34who was their farm product.
19:35They traded him and brought him back.
19:37So there are stories, but there's no question they need more.
19:42There's no question that that has been subpar over the last decade.
19:47No doubt.
19:47It's been a disappointment.
19:48And he was mentioning the dynastic run.
19:51And a lot of those guys, the key guys, were all homegrown.
19:54And then you augmented from there.
19:56And you were able to make a really strong team put together.
19:59And right now, you don't have that.
20:00You don't have an identity.
20:02And the whole piece about Tony Vitello, and you say this all the time,
20:06well, they put him in a tough spot.
20:07Well, the tough spot you put him in is he's not empowered to actually manage a team
20:13that is struggling.
20:13So if he doesn't feel like he's empowered to do that, if he's not experienced enough
20:18or confident enough or they don't want to put that much on his plate, then it's a bad hire.
20:23Because when it goes bad, this is when you need a manager to be able to say,
20:26look, guys, I don't know if it's flip the spread.
20:29I don't know if it's we're going to play dodgeball tomorrow when we get to the hotel
20:33or we're going to have like a video game.
20:35We're going to do something to take everybody's mind off this.
20:38Whatever it is that you need to do as a manager, if he doesn't feel like he can do it,
20:42then you're totally screwed.
20:44That's a fair point.
20:45It's a fair point.
20:47But I'll also add, we don't know that he hasn't.
20:51I don't know.
20:53I don't know that he hasn't freaked out and thrown something off the wall.
20:56Whatever he's done has not worked.
20:58But if he hasn't and he feels like he can't, maybe it's time to roll the dice.
21:05What the hell do you have to lose your 22 and 34?
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