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00:00I know that some of you might think that that was just a Monday night loss
00:04to go from 1,200 to 1,300.
00:06What's the big deal, right?
00:08Well, I mean, it is that.
00:09It is that.
00:10What's the big deal?
00:11It's not like the season was going anywhere.
00:13I think the big deal is what you put out.
00:15On Twitter, your poll, trying to say which one of those three things
00:20bugged you the most, I think the fact that all of that happened
00:24in a pretty rapid sequence and you lost that game that way,
00:28it makes it more than just a ho-hum, now you're 13 below
00:32in an already lost season.
00:33I think today is the day that we open the door.
00:38And I'm not saying that the door was closed before,
00:41but I think today it's time to open the door to how we
00:49and the organization are all feeling about Tony Vitello.
00:56Look, I think that he's been dealt a weird hand, okay?
01:00It's already weird when you are the first to ever do something
01:05and people grab onto that.
01:07My God, as we sat here throughout spring,
01:09how many times was MLB Network on over our shoulder
01:13and it was Vitello this and Vitello that
01:15and we've got Vitello on and now we've got other people
01:17to come on and talk about Vitello.
01:19And it was just, it was a thing because it's never been done before.
01:25And I might be sort of piecing this together a little bit.
01:30I'm not telling you that anybody from inside that clubhouse
01:33has told me anything, but I know this,
01:38like in the world, when you try something new
01:42and it doesn't work, how do people feel about it?
01:46You know what I mean?
01:47Like, I think far enough away that we can share this now,
01:51how was it going when we changed buildings a couple years ago?
01:55From that building to this building?
01:56Yeah, how'd it go for the first six months?
01:58It was a little bit of a rocky transition.
02:00There you go.
02:01You go from five stations and two floors,
02:03two gigantic floors to five stations and one floor.
02:07Right.
02:07One smaller floor.
02:08Yeah, Tim Jordan is actually only 28 years old.
02:10There's a reason he looks like he's in his 50s and that's our engineer.
02:16And that's because of all of the things that have been on his shoulders
02:20for those two years.
02:22And even the same as Vitello, you'd say,
02:24well, you expect some bumps and some difficult moments
02:27when you're making a transition like that.
02:29Okay, great.
02:30How did all of the employees feel about it?
02:33Was everybody just like, it's okay.
02:35Everything's going to be great.
02:37Tonight, we'll be patient and we'll take our time
02:40or were people outwardly frustrated?
02:44And I'm just wondering aloud here.
02:47And I think throwing it out for discussion for everybody,
02:518 at 8, 9-5-7, 9-5-70,
02:55because I think there's, look, there's a long way to go,
02:59in my opinion, in the Tony Vitello story,
03:02but I did think that last night was his worst game.
03:06It's not the first mistake he's made.
03:08It's not the 20th mistake he's made.
03:10But I thought last night was his worst baseball game.
03:12I think that you could look at a lot of other losses
03:15and say, yeah, those were not good either.
03:16But last night, I think, hits differently
03:18because you took out your ace after 99 pitches
03:22and Logan didn't say after the game anything about a pitch count.
03:25I don't know if anybody followed up and said,
03:27hey, were you on a pitch count tonight?
03:29Was it 100 and that's why?
03:31Or I don't know if that follow-up got asked or not.
03:34It feels like I wish it kind of would have if it didn't.
03:37And then, you know, you got a 2-0 count to their best hitter
03:40and an open base, and you decide not to just put him on.
03:43Not ideal to load the bases and put the go-ahead run on first,
03:47but the alternative was you serve up a cookie
03:49on a guy pitching a third straight day,
03:51and that goes awry.
03:53Not Luis Arise, but that goes against you.
03:56And so, yeah, everything, every mistake or choice
03:59that he made or didn't make, it blew up in their face.
04:01You want to hear the whole thing?
04:03I really do.
04:03Okay, so this is Logan Webb.
04:06Post-game, there's a few different questions.
04:08It's a back and forth with the assembled media.
04:11You'll hear Alex Pavlovich's voice and others.
04:13But here's the back and forth on the whole situation
04:15after the game with Logan Webb.
04:18Logan, Tony said there was a conversation in the dugout
04:20about you maybe getting the ninth.
04:21Were you part of that?
04:23I walked in, and I didn't know how many pitches I was at.
04:26And then a mess shook my hand, so I thought I was done.
04:30And then Tony kind of asked if you're good.
04:35And I said, it's up to you.
04:37It's your decision.
04:38And then he came back to me after a lot of sales.
04:42They made the, you know, for the challenge,
04:45we got the first, and he was like,
04:46we're going to just make a change.
04:47And I was like, okay.
04:53Yeah, I feel like I can throw as many as I want to throw.
04:57I felt good.
04:59I don't, you know, regret that decision at all.
05:02You know, I was excited to watch Keaton throw.
05:05We scored two there.
05:06It's just unfortunate that the way that ending unfolded.
05:11Coming off the break, are you fully built up, you think,
05:14like, back to normal?
05:16Yeah, I think so.
05:17I mean, I think that might be a little bit part of it, too.
05:20You know, I did miss what else a full month.
05:25And I threw two bullpens in the knockdown,
05:28and then threw in a game.
05:30And it's kind of been a, it was a build up the first one,
05:33and then it's kind of been back to normal the last two.
05:35So, I think that probably has something to do with the decision as well.
05:39But, yeah, I feel good.
05:43He feels built up.
05:45A couple of bullpens after one start.
05:48Now he feels like he's built up.
05:49So, that essentially is the question of, was there a pitch count?
05:52Because he says he feels like he's built all the way back up.
05:56Okay.
05:57I've listened to this now.
05:58I watched it last night.
06:00Are they doing construction in the clubhouse?
06:01Apparently, yeah.
06:02Someone's rocking the drill.
06:04There was a loose screw in Carson Seymour's locker.
06:07They had to fix it.
06:09Okay.
06:10This just settled within me.
06:14I don't buy that at all.
06:18His explanation?
06:19I don't buy a damn word of it.
06:22Logan Webb's furious.
06:24Well, I think that the decision was made before he even got off the top step
06:28because message, the pitching coach, he shook his hand,
06:32basically saying, you're done.
06:34Guru talked a lot today about wanting Logan to be that dog and be like,
06:40I'm not giving you the ball.
06:43Don't give him a choice.
06:46And I think we know Logan Webb pretty well by now.
06:50I mean, Pasta, you're around the clubhouse a lot.
06:54Like, jump in on this.
06:56Does it sound like Logan Webb to you in the middle of a season like this
07:01to kind of be like, eh, eh, you know, take it or leave it?
07:07Tony, your call.
07:09Does that sound like the Logan Webb that we know?
07:12No.
07:13No.
07:13I just, the Logan Webb that we know would wanted to have stayed in that game
07:19no matter what.
07:19No matter what.
07:22And would state so.
07:25You know what?
07:26There's actually a new concern that I have after listening to that for the eighth time.
07:32I don't know why it didn't just hit me till now.
07:34First of all, I think Logan is furious with the decision.
07:38And second of all, I think that the quiet nature and the lack of sort of saying anything
07:44with any bite to it last night feels to me like somebody who is settling in with a whole give
07:53up of it all.
07:54A little bit.
07:55I mean, 13 below.
07:56And, you know, you look at, and I'm not going to say that he's looking at the bullpen like,
08:00God, I mean, really, I got to watch another one of these leads go away.
08:05But you've seen the bullpen, especially the past month.
08:07And it's rudderless.
08:09There's no closer.
08:10And Logan's out there pitching great again.
08:12And you can't help but have that feeling in your stomach where you're at 99 pitches.
08:17I was looking through his game log and he routinely, when pitching well, goes over 100.
08:22Sure does.
08:22He gets up to 110.
08:23I don't think I saw a 120.
08:24But, like you said in the crossover, get out there and keep pitching until you get to 110
08:29or until somebody gets on base, you know?
08:32At least.
08:33Oof.
08:34Yeah.
08:34This just gave me a whole new vibe.
08:37I don't think Logan is okay with last night.
08:41I don't think he's probably okay with a lot of things.
08:45That's what that feels like to me, listening to that.
08:49I mean, that's tough.
08:51It's tough to hear it.
08:52It was tough to watch, and, you know, we all were on the show thread firing comments
08:56back and forth, and those are, like you said, those are the quintessential Monday night
09:01misty games that your ace goes out there and shoves.
09:04You win that game.
09:05Yeah.
09:06And what were they at, 97% probability?
09:09Three times in the last 11 games, they've been at 95% or higher win probability in games
09:15that they ended up losing.
09:17Yeah.
09:17That's happened three times in the last 11 games.
09:19Man.
09:20I just, I want to be super clear with this.
09:24We have come to know Logan Webb.
09:27That's not the Logan Webb I know.
09:29And I don't buy it.
09:31I don't buy that that's how Logan Webb feels last night.
09:34I think that Logan Webb, quite frankly, probably couldn't believe that he was being taken out
09:40of the game.
09:40And if they did go over there and shake his hand before anything was even said, that's a
09:44mistake too.
09:46Like, I mean, peel this onion.
09:49It's not even just because, in my opinion, it was the right thing to do in that situation
09:54with a team like this.
09:56I also think there's a respect level.
09:58Like, you talk about the ABS system, and maybe there's a little bit too much with the veterans.
10:05Adamus is allowed to do this.
10:06Devers is allowed to do that.
10:07They're not real good at it.
10:08Let me tell you one thing.
10:09I am not ever taking out my Team USA multi-time all-star, absolute dog of a number one starter
10:19when he is in his second consecutive dominant performance.
10:23I am not taking him out without talking to him.
10:26Right.
10:27Exactly.
10:28Period.
10:29And if he tells me he's good, he's good.
10:31That's the conversation.
10:33That's how you empower a great athlete, in my opinion.
10:37And he's been the heart and soul of the pitching staff now for five years.
10:41This is a guy who started the year off talking about how he's sick of losing.
10:45Do you really?
10:46I just don't buy that he went to Tony and went, your call, Skip.
10:51Right.
10:52I'm just going to shrug my shoulders.
10:55You know, it's just a baseball game.
10:56I don't really care.
10:57That just doesn't sound like Logan Webb to me.
11:00I agree with you.
11:00And I do not believe that that's how it went down in the dugout.
11:03But it sounds like it went down in the dugout before he got off the mound and even across
11:07the third baseline.
11:08And it was already kind of a done deal.
11:11And the pitching coach is a pitching coach in the majors for the first time.
11:15He was an assistant pitching coach.
11:17He was a minor league pitching coach.
11:19And so now you've got a brand new, fresh out of Tennessee skipper.
11:23You've got a first time pitching coach.
11:25These things are going to happen.
11:27These mistakes are going to be made.
11:28And they absolutely can't anymore.
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