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03:36Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Marc Bessant, of course.
03:44Joined by viewers in Trinidad, as well as New York, and any other place around the world,
03:51we want to say welcome to you all. Of course, we have a very packed program today,
03:56and we will be speaking about a number of matters, one of which is, of course, a very sad situation
04:02that occurred a couple hours ago, involving a mother and an infant whose throats were slit
04:09in Barapo by a relative earlier this afternoon. And of course, the big story right now happening
04:19in Florida is that they are preparing for Hurricane Milton. According to the National
04:24Hurricane Center, it's probably one of the most powerful Category 5 hurricanes.
04:29I know that it's due to hit land sometime Wednesday morning, so we are told that at least 7,000 people
04:37have been asked to evacuate inland. And of course, there are a lot of Trinidadians that live in that
04:43Florida area, and we want to, our prayers are with you, and we are hopeful that everybody gets to a
04:49shelter that is safe and secure. We're also going to be talking extensively today about bullying,
04:56and of course, 15-year-old Jidan Lalchan was laid to rest today. There was also a candlelight vigil
05:05last night for him. Students, of course, saying their final farewell to their classmates,
05:13and of course, other classes as well who would have attended the funeral. His mother was quite
05:20distraught, of course, because she was seen lying on a pew and had to be really consoled
05:27by her husband and other people there. It was quite an emotional funeral from what I understand,
05:35and I could see the pain etched on the faces of some of those students. This one of the
05:41female students there, wiping her eyes, of course, looking at her classmate, and of course,
05:47disbelief, and of course, grief, and it's never an easy thing, of course, when you lose a child at
05:54such a very young age, and of course, today we have with us Acting Sergeant Greenwich from the
06:01Community Oriented Policing Section, and of course, the Oropun Police Youth Club, who's here to talk
06:07a little more about bullying, and of course, a very sad and unfortunate situation that we,
06:15we the public, have had to witness over the last couple of days. Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago.
06:19Good evening, Mark. Yes, it is indeed sad times for our country at whole. At large, I want to
06:29send my condolences to the St. Stephen's College family in Princeton there. Ironically, I wanted
06:37to attend St. Stephen's College as a child, right, so I can relate to some extent the feelings of
06:43having been from Princeton myself, right.
06:48Bullying has always been a phenomenon with us. I think presently it is, and I've said it before
06:57in this program, it is the most difficult period in the history of mankind to be a child,
07:03right, and with the use of social media, the devices they have now, as I was explaining prior,
07:09um, it was much easier for us to be bullied in school because there was a cut off time,
07:17right, when school ends at two-thirty, reach home three, four o'clock, you don't have that
07:22to worry about until the following day, but now with the use of technology, you can perpetuate
07:28that kind of bullying 24 hours a day, right, and it is so bad that we can get even thousands of
07:37people now to follow, not only regionally and internationally, to inflict constant bullying
07:43on the person, so it's, it's real challenging for young people now, and, um, I think there is need
07:50not just for intervention from the police service and so on, but from our society at large, right.
07:56We need to ensure that everybody understands that bullying would not be accepted in our society
08:05anymore, right, to avoid a reoccurrence of a situation like this. And, and, and before we go
08:10further, of course, I know there, there's been a lot of outrage on social media, and I'm sure you
08:17would agree with me, I, I don't think it's right, two wrongs don't make a right, and of course,
08:22seeing that, uh, they have been putting up photos of a young man and his family, um, that are
08:29alleged being behind this bullying, I, I think it's, it's like doing the same thing to this child,
08:35and of course, his psyche, that he's now being bullied, ironically, by social media personnel
08:43across all these platforms. As you, as you rightfully said, um, two wrongs will make a right,
08:49and we understand that as a public at large, we are emotionally flooded, we are enraged with what
08:54have taken place, but this is an example to teach our society how to treat with issues,
09:01even when we're hurting, right, um, it is not that we ought to inflict the same pain
09:09that probably young Jayden would have wanted onto this person, right, because he as well may, as, as
09:16even though he may be an alleged perpetrator of the bullying, he may not be emotionally solid
09:21enough to treat with this outpouring of, um, aggression towards him, neither. And even, so it's
09:27extended now, because I, just before I came on, on air, there was a post where the, the, in, somebody
09:34has posted a posting, boycott his family's businesses, and they list the relatives' businesses,
09:40and, and of course, some of them probably was not even none the wiser to what was happening before
09:44that, so it's a matter of Peter Payne for Paul, and Paul Payne for all. There is that, and there's
09:50also the, as I said, emotional component. Um, one of the first responses to grief is, in fact, shame and
09:57blame, and of course, we want somebody to blame, we want to hold somebody responsible for what
10:03would have taken place, and as such, um, the behaviors we are seeing present is quite natural,
10:08right, but we're just hoping that this young man also has the support to get him through what he's
10:13facing, and ensure that he himself will not implicate himself among himself, neither.
10:19Well, there's, there's definitely three sides to that story. Precisely. Yours,
10:23mine, and truth. But we'll stick a pen there for now, and we'll go to our headlines.
11:13So that, that was our headlines there, and, um, we, we want to take you guys
11:43to a video that apparently occurred at a quick shop last night in Sipario, and it would seem
11:50from just looking at the video here, uh, there was a gentleman parked in a white vehicle at the, uh,
11:57back there, and then there's a person in a teeter, then another car pulls up, and it appears that
12:04men armed comes out. Uh, I don't know if they were trying to actually steal the white vehicle,
12:12because they see they go back into the vehicle, and then they come back out, look,
12:19pointing what appears to be a firearm or some other kind of weapon at the driver. Of course,
12:24they were unsuccessful, and, and then the driver panics, of course, white car, see,
12:29I don't have the gun jammed, because I see, like, and he runs into the, the, uh, the pumps,
12:37wow, and then, of course, we have smoke and so on there, and, and, and acting sergeant Greenwich,
12:46you're seeing now that criminals are becoming prison anywhere to try and
12:52carjack somebody, rob somebody, or take their lives. Yes, um, we are faced with serious challenges
13:00with us concern, and hence the reason why we are asking members of the public to always, um,
13:06ensure that they express true diligence and situational awareness, um, before alighting a
13:12vehicle, before engaging in the transactions, and so on. Let us try best to ensure that we are doing
13:18so in places that are safe. If we see someone that appears to be suspicious, then we need to
13:23move on and probably return at a later time. Most definitely. So, the main, major topic today,
13:29of course, is bullying, and we're going to go back to last night in the Princeton area, when
13:34there was a vigil held for 15-year-old Jidan Lalchand, who died by suicide on October 3rd.
13:43There was a quite large turnout of people, of course, a lot of young faces there, justice for
13:50Jidan, and I know things like this sometimes, they say, last for nine days, acting sergeant
13:57Greenwich. I mean, your take on, on the entire incident here, and of course, this outpouring of
14:03support here? I am hoping, at least, um, with respect to this specific incident, that our young
14:10people specifically understand that there are, in fact, consequences to our actions, right? We do
14:18not know how our behaviors and things would be adversely affecting someone else. I mean, it's
14:23easy to be a perpetrator, bullying, and see the humor in pranking and treating other people with,
14:30without respect, without, um, courtesy, right? And not understanding that that may have an emotional
14:37impact or psychological impact on the person, causing what we call implosion, as was explained
14:44before, explosion. Implosion being, um, self-harm, right? And I'm treating with things internally,
14:52right? And explosion being, um, probably administering violence on a perpetrator,
14:58on somebody else, because they just can't take it anymore, right? So, um, this is a clear indicator
15:05that, um, there are adverse and harmful effects to bullying, and we need to be mindful of that.
15:12Additionally, some of the things that we call bullying in schools and in communities,
15:18we in the Chernobygo Police Service would call criminal activity, um, exam, for example, um,
15:26cover tax, where, or taking money from children, can range from offenses such as simple robbery,
15:33robbery, aggravation, larceny from the person, have several. So, whereas we have a name, a local
15:40term for it, twang, um, you can find yourself in serious consequences with the law for some of
15:47these things we're doing that we think are just fun. Well, we definitely will have, uh, further
15:52discussions on that, but now we gotta take a short break, and we'll be back.
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18:43Welcome back to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Bosan, of course, joined today by acting
18:51Sergeant Greenidge from the Community-Oriented Policing Section, also from the Oropun Police
18:58Youth Club. Again, welcome, sir. And of course, very sad news this afternoon in Barakpur,
19:08where we had a double homicide involving a mother, Tara Ramsuri, and her one-year-old
19:15child, Jada. Apparently, they were found, unfortunately, with their throats slit at a
19:21house at Red Road in Barakpur. Three police officers were on the scene there quite early,
19:29following the incident. And I understand it may have stemmed from some kind of domestic
19:38violence that had been festering for quite some time. Yeah, once again,
19:45Mark, it appears as though our men are having a lot of difficulty in managing and treating with
19:52our emotions, more so when it speaks of a relationship issues, right? And I would like to
20:00see, I know within our unit, within the Community-Oriented Policing Section, we engage in a lot
20:05of interventions and mediation involving families, generally, in terms of relationships,
20:13to de-escalate situations that may be bubbling up, right? We want to advise our men that there
20:21are several places in which they can, in fact, go to get that support and that guidance,
20:28counseling that we require to really treat with situations such as these, right? And it's always
20:33unfortunate when we see emotions getting the better of us, and of course, reaching the situations
20:40like these, right? So I think a lot more needs to be done in that regard, in terms of our men
20:46understanding our role and responsibilities as men, and of course, treating with it from a societal
20:53standpoint. Most definitely. And let's just take a listen, of course, to the sister of DC's
21:00speaking with journalist, express journalist, Suzanne Mohamed, a little bit earlier today.
21:09I am a sister, and this abuse has been going on for years now, and she had multiple reports
21:17in the station. She had four protection orders that wasn't served in within the last five months.
21:25And she had been abusive to me for years, and she left here about seven months now,
21:33and living on her own. She built up her own house, and she was living on her own.
21:38This is an equally important subject matter, domestic violence. Of course. And of course,
21:46you know, it's, we hear this happening from time and time and time again, of course,
21:52and you know, it's very difficult when you, she, the sister is claiming that
21:58she would have made several reports. And even though she had a restraining order, it seemed
22:03that even that did not deter this individual from doing what he had to do allegedly earlier today.
22:10And again, the Trinamigo Police Service personally has what is called a special victims unit,
22:16that's, that treats with, which comprises of child protection, gender-based, and other
22:22entities that speak with all things family and intimacy, intimate relationships.
22:28We usually advise persons who may be victims of domestic violence and so on,
22:34to seek assistance, and of course, engage in acquiring protection orders and doing what the
22:39law requires you to protect yourself, right? Unfortunately, these are issues involving
22:49emotions, and it is very challenging really to predict what the outcome would be. So we again
22:56would ask the victims specifically to seek any and every lawful means in which to protect yourself
23:06from a perpetrator, and someone who may be pursuing a base on these situations.
23:11It's challenging because of course, we do not know what dwells inside a human being in terms
23:16of the intention and so on. And as such, we have to always ensure that we are so vigilant,
23:21intuitive with these things to avoid, of course, reaching a point like this.
23:26And the strangest thing about this case, at least, is that the sister said that she had
23:32gotten a job where she works, so maybe she has her own business, and that she had built her own
23:38house and moved away, and so on. And they found the mother and daughter at the suspect's house
23:45dead in a bedroom. I don't know what was the conversation would have initiated her to have
23:53come in, because of course, there was a restraining order. It's a little bit perplexing,
23:56of course, but I guess as time goes on, we'll be able to understand what really transpired,
24:01and what really happened in terms of this very unfortunate incident, where another child's life
24:09is lost, and a mother, and now we have an eight-year-old boy who's virtually now without a
24:18mother, as he was living with the mother, and so on. And it's really sad that it comes to that kind
24:27of situation, where they take the law into their own hands. That being said, we also have the
24:33victim, and with the support units, and hopefully that child, who clearly would be traumatized
24:39based on the entire situation, would get some counseling and support in moving forward.
24:44It will be an uphill battle task, but we need to do our best to ensure that he gets his support.
24:52He needs to ensure that the impact from the trauma recedes with time.
24:58Yeah, that's always very difficult, because I know that even a neighbor who was taking care of
25:04one-year-old was very hurt, and she had also spoken to the media about her interaction with
25:11the mother, and of course, looking after the child when the mother went to him.
25:15We'll have to take a short break, but we'll be right back after this one.
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28:50welcome back to reality. I'm your host, Marcus, and of course, joined by acting Sergeant Greenidge
28:55from the community-oriented policing section today, speaking, of course, about bullying and
29:02other topics. And just before the break, we had a clip, a very inspiring clip that was played
29:09from the movie Coach Carter. Coach Carter, yeah, right. I think one of the main issues with respect
29:15to bullying and school violence presently is that we have a generation who, in my experience with
29:20them, are quite fearful of showcasing their talents, highlighting that they are brilliant,
29:27they are beautiful, they're bright, right? They fear being attacked, bullied, humiliated by their
29:34peers, who may not be as talented or gifted. At the end of the day, we all have specific talents
29:40and gifts that was given to us by the Supreme Being, and it is quite unfortunate that we have
29:50children now who are afraid to explore, develop, and use their talents for positivity, for fear of
30:01being put down by their peers, right? And it is that fear that is presently
30:10have us seeing the amount of negative activities we are seeing by our youth,
30:15because we live in a time where it is more popular to do wrong than it is to do right.
30:21And for the one, the few, that choose to step out of the darkness and be light, they have to expect
30:27themselves to be, of course, treated a particular way. But on the flip side, of course, what about
30:34those that are the actual bullies? Because they obviously have some type of mental, psychological
30:42issue otherwise that is also playing out in their minds. Exactly. So sometimes, my experience again,
30:50having been visiting the schools on a daily basis and so on, a lot of the children who are perpetrators
30:56of bullying, who refuse to participate in activities in school, be it cultural or theatrical or
31:07social activities, find themselves wanting one thing academically, right? So it is easier to be
31:15disruptive and not have it showcased that, for example, I can't read. So a teacher may ask you
31:24to read a paragraph in class and for fear that you will feel this level of humiliation that they
31:31can't do it, they would prefer to disrupt the entire class and walk out. That is a defense mechanism
31:39in a post being showcased and highlighted that I have a problem and I can't read, right? There are
31:45a lot of young men specifically that we would engage in community-oriented policing section
31:50individually, discreetly, and we'll ask them what the problem is, they can't read and they will
31:55admit that they can't read or they can't, they're having challenges academically or whatever the
32:00case may be and as such, it is easier to showcase the darkness within me as the defense mechanism
32:07than it is to ask for help, right? So that little three-letter word always comes to the fore
32:14when it comes to human behaviors, ego. And just before we move on, I know that it's extremely
32:22difficult because, you know, everybody's been calling for people to be suspended, etc., etc.,
32:28or, you know, expulsion, but I know the Minister of Education and Gatsby Dolly did speak to
32:36discipline matrix in the school, right? And there is a step-by-step process. Of course,
32:43she says that if there's some gross incident, it can lead to immediate suspension or expulsion,
32:50as the case may be, but there are certain steps to be followed, of course, with the student support
32:55as well as, you know, going through the principal who has to escalate that complaint if they feel
33:02it is getting worse. And by extension, of course, a letter of expulsion or a warning letter of
33:08expulsion is sent to the parent of that alleged bully or a person who's giving problems in school.
33:16Right, so even in that regard, during the first week of this academic year, this term,
33:23I would have accompanied some of my officers in various schools where there was a meeting with
33:28the support system, people from the social and support systems in the school. There were parents,
33:34the deans, and so on, indicating the parents that this is, in fact, the way forward,
33:40and this is the stance that the Ministry of Education is, in fact, taking when it comes to
33:44absenteeism as well as behavioral issues with children in school. We went as far as
33:53to the community and the policing section. Some of the police clubs that have clubhouses,
33:59I said it prior on this program as well, when we were going to school, our suspension was a
34:06vacation. So you go home, you spend, you play game, you do whatever at home, and then you return to
34:13the school. There was really no consequence for the behavior, and we now have a process where
34:19a lot of the clubs which are under the police service supervise these children in the clubhouse
34:25while it's on suspension. This eliminates the risk of the child getting involved in criminal
34:31and nefarious activities. It also ensures that the child is still supervised in a controlled
34:37environment during the period of suspension, as well as emphasis and focus is placed on the reason
34:44why you were, in fact, suspended. And there is, of course, the minister has pointed out also other
34:49support systems like civil and so on. Precisely. And that note, of course, we want to get our
34:54viewers involved in this conversation, and we're asking you to call 623-1711, extensions 1992,
35:021993, 1996, and 1997. We certainly want to hear from you guys, your thoughts, your opinion,
35:10your impressions, some situation that you're trying to alleviate in some measure related to
35:17bullying or otherwise. So we're hopeful that we will hear from you guys pretty soon. So on another
35:23note, just as we just veer a little bit off to our right, there was a police release today,
35:29media release about, you know, and I'll let you talk about it more, about the use of a police
35:34vehicle in an alleged incident on June 27th of this year. Right, so what is ironic is this
35:41incident occurred, as you indicated, on June the 27th, and has recently gotten traction, a lot of
35:47traction on social media. Since that period, there has been an investigation, a thorough investigation
35:54by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, and it was indicated, showcased that the officer in
36:02question was driving a vehicle, was just being a good Samaritan at the time, and the two gentlemen
36:08would have asked for a lift. Right now, asking for that lift can be seen as a noble act by the
36:16officer, but it can also create an alibi to some extent, or an intended alibi by the criminal
36:23element. Right, I personally believe they knew what they were doing when they asked for that job,
36:27because they wanted there to be certain implications. Right, the officer in question
36:33was cleared of any wrongdoing, and he was interviewed, persons are wrong, civilians were
36:39interviewed, and so on, to ensure that the matter was thoroughly meted with, and the persons involved
36:46had already been arrested and charged with various offenses, including firearm offenses,
36:51even before the release of the video. All right then, on that note, we'll take a very short break,
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39:27identify it, report it, stop it. A message from the counter trafficking
39:32unit of the Ministry of National Security.
39:47Go over there and read the quotation that's on the wall.
39:52Read it aloud, please.
39:55Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond
40:03measure. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?
40:12Gorgeous, talented, and fabulous. Actually, who are you not to be?
40:22We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
40:26And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
40:36Does that mean anything to you?
40:39I don't know.
40:41It's written in plain English. What does it mean?
40:47That I'm not supposed to be afraid.
40:49Afraid of what?
40:53Afraid of me.
40:59This national spelling bee is a tough nut. I've seen it chew kids up and spit them out.
41:03So if you want to get there, you can't be a shrinking violet.
41:06You have to stand up and show them what you can do.
41:10All right?
41:13And I'll brook no nonsense. You show up on time with no attitude or it's over.
41:20Agreed?
41:24Agreed.
41:30No nonsense, Akela and Nibi.
41:31Yes, Mark, and again, it speaks of exactly one of the basic foundations for bullying
41:38and for allowing yourself to be bullied.
41:40And I'm not going to go into the details of why that is, because I don't think it's
41:44exactly one of the basic foundations for bullying and for allowing yourself to be bullied.
41:51Self-confidence, the fear of standing out, the fear of shining, the fear of yourself.
41:58Right?
41:59More often than not, these are the things that, one, cause children to actually bully,
42:07and two, cause us to accept a bully perpetrating their behaviors on us.
42:13One, we are afraid to stand up for ourselves.
42:14We are afraid to be assertive, which is one of the main cures for bullying, right?
42:20Standing up for yourself and showing, I am not afraid.
42:22I will take the necessary steps to stop you from treating me a particular way.
42:27And two, the bully themselves usually have hang-ups about themselves.
42:32They have some issue that they are masking with this aggressive behavior.
42:37All right?
42:37No more than ever, we want our young people to understand that you need not be afraid of yourself,
42:44right?
42:45And you need to use the God-given talents you have to ensure that you get yourself safely
42:51into adulthood, right?
42:53It is the most challenging time in the history of mankind to be a child, right?
42:59I know the fear of rejection, the fear of being laughed at.
43:03I can give an example.
43:04I have a young lady presently, and I'll be quite frank about it.
43:10There was an incident in a school in Mesa, I won't call the name of the school,
43:15incident of violence involving females.
43:18And when we got on the scene as community policing officers, the attitude this young
43:23lady had, I made up my mind that if she slipped, I'm going to charge her for whatever offense
43:32that she get in charge.
43:34And when we actually sat and had a conversation with her, we get to understand the underlying
43:42issues that are affecting her, we began to understand why she was fighting so much in
43:47school, right?
43:49And I usually utilize my experience, because I fought a lot in school as well, to, you
43:58know, focus on the why, not the what.
44:00We understand the violence in school, but children aren't born bad, there must be a
44:05reason for that.
44:06And in myself, WPC Roach and others, WPC Priceford, WPC Jocelyn, Miss King, and some of the
44:16others on the team, really focusing on the why with her.
44:22Recently, the same things I'm telling you about with the parents and so on.
44:26The principal was actually advocating for parents to get their children involved in
44:35youth clubs, because they saw a change in that child that they could not believe was
44:40possible.
44:41That's a really profound and simple message that you've conveyed, of course.
44:46And we have our first caller for the evening.
44:49Caller, good afternoon.
44:50Hi, good evening to both of you.
44:53I have a question.
44:55Couldn't charges be laid against the parents of the child that they deposited, or even
45:02the principal, the teachers of the school where they were told it was formed?
45:07Could any charges be laid, say that they knew what was going on, and apparently, quote,
45:11unquote, it's a lesson that nothing was done?
45:14So I'm just trying to find what is the future references of children who are police in the
45:20school.
45:23That is situational, and that will depend on the outcome of a thorough investigation.
45:31Our laws does not permit that a person is charged based on the action of another, generally.
45:41There may be circumstances under which inciting a child to do specific things and so on would
45:47be an offense.
45:49But things like bullying and so on, I do not see, based on my experience and the facts
45:56as presented presently, any adult committing an offense where they can be charged in this
46:02specific case.
46:03And the thing is, I know that the tutor has been calling for anti-bullying policies, and
46:10we don't have any anti-bullying legislation, of course.
46:14But I know, Andrea, I believe it's the Offenses Against Persons Act.
46:18You have things like harassment and so on, which obviously doesn't really cover this.
46:24It's kind of a gray area.
46:24So we're obviously embarking on something a little more than that.
46:28Even under our present legislation, as it speaks to technology, use of devices and so
46:34on, there are offenses that can be committed there.
46:39One such offense might be the misuse of a communication device, or using a communication
46:46device for a purpose which was not prescribed, which was not to be utilized for.
46:53So again, we want to warn our children out there that you all may be engaging in trolling,
46:58in doing other things on social media.
47:02If there's an investigation and cybercrime gets involved, there's a high possibility
47:07that pending the outcome of the investigation, charges can be laid.
47:11Right.
47:12So we have another caller on the line.
47:13Caller, good afternoon.
47:15Yes, this is the father.
47:17The question is, should the teacher or the principal be charged?
47:22That's the question too much now, because I find at the end of every month, teachers
47:28should be accountable to the principal to find out from the children of any child if
47:33there have been bullies.
47:34Every month, I put that in writing, I'll take it to the police, because they will never,
47:41ever, the principal has to believe it.
47:43Like that, we need police action now, in schools, that's all.
47:50All right, so I think where that is concerned, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, through
47:54our superintendent, Mr. Akati, who's in charge of the community-oriented policing section,
48:01have been taking a proactive approach in terms of not only bullying, but all incidents of
48:08school violence and so on, in schools throughout Trinidad and Tobago.
48:13The challenge with that is that sometimes some of these incidents, or most of these
48:17incidents, go unreported.
48:20And it's usually when an incident goes viral on social media that, of course, we respond
48:28to it, which shouldn't be, right?
48:30I can speak for our unit.
48:34We try to be in the school more often than not.
48:36There are WhatsApp groups that are set up with principals and so on, to ensure that
48:40there's constant communication in terms of issues that are taking place in the school.
48:46We are engaging interventions and mediations in the schools, with both parties, should
48:53there be an incident, and their parents.
48:55And of course, decide on a proactive approach to treat with the issue, to ensure that it
49:01doesn't happen again, right?
49:03Just like everything else, it is not a 100% initiative where we show we'll get all.
49:14But in most instances, we have been able to manage the situations we see in schools.
49:19And I can speak for a lot of the principals.
49:22They really try hard.
49:24They really, really try hard.
49:25I think one of the other challenges that we may not be ready to discuss is parental
49:31participation.
49:33Because I have seen for myself on numerous occasions, principals will call in parents
49:38to treat with specific issues.
49:40And the parents would, for whatever reason, neglect.
49:45Now, I understand, as a police officer, as a community policing officer, that there may
49:50be socioeconomic challenges parents face.
49:53I have to choose to go in my son's school, my child's school, to treat with this situation
49:58today, or finding a meal for them by going to work.
50:03We get that.
50:04But at the end of the day, growth and development for our children has to be holistic.
50:09And we have to find the time to engage the educators to ensure that they are getting,
50:16one, the best quality of education available.
50:19Two, they are not disrupting our schools and so on, so as to avoid other persons from acquiring
50:28the same quality of education we want for our children.
50:30All right, on that note, we'll take a break and we'll be back.
52:00This is Mary.
52:05Mary has bills to pay and takes a chance parking in front of the building at the no parking
52:11sign.
52:12Mary returns to her car and this is what happens.
52:23Mary decides to call when she's five minutes away to let her daughter know that she is
52:28close by.
52:29But Mary forgot one thing.
52:38After two tickets, Mary just isn't paying attention to her speed.
52:43Don't be like Mary, obey the laws of the road, a message from the TTPS.
53:13Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
53:18I'm your host, Mark Bussard, of course, joined by acting Sergeant Greenidge from the community
53:24oriented policing section.
53:26And of course, you know, I do a lot of investigations, right?
53:29Apart from, you know, being on the tape and so on.
53:32And I just got a little call from a little video, a little message that today is your
53:36birthday.
53:37And the Oriflume community, of course, wants to join in wishing you all the best on this
53:42momentous day.
53:43They're wishing you many more, of course, and our staff here and the producer as well
53:49want to wish you many more.
53:50And I hope you have a enjoyable rest of birthday.
53:55I think those who know me know I would spend my birthday doing anything else.
54:00It is a pleasure to be here.
54:02I really, really love what I do.
54:05And of course, I know, I believe that there's some activities afoot on my own completion
54:13of this program.
54:16Okay, then.
54:18Well, I'm glad you're so modest about it.
54:20I know everybody will come on and say, you know, but it's good that, you know, you never
54:24work a day in your life when you enjoy what you do.
54:27Exactly.
54:27Just like myself.
54:28Yeah.
54:29And, you know, and just going back to the serious subject matter, and of course, we
54:34have a couple of minutes left.
54:35We don't know if you'll be able to squeeze in any more calls.
54:38623-1711, extensions 1992, 1993, 1996, and 1997.
54:45But I know that the opposition leader, Kamala Pesabi, did visit Jidan's funeral today.
54:53And she made, not trying to politicize, of course, but she did see at the end of the
54:58funeral.
54:59This is not about revenge, but rather justice for Jidan.
55:08Of course, our senior officer once said to me that even criminals have someone who loves
55:15them.
55:16So the loss of a life impacts us all, right?
55:23And in this case, where it's an innocent child who hasn't really begun living and
55:28enjoying life yet, it is tragic.
55:30And I would like us to not lose the lesson in it, right?
55:37I would like all young people specifically to understand that it is better to be a body
55:43than it is to be a bully, right?
55:45And if we really focus on biblical terms, for example, do unto others.
55:50If you know acting as if we would hurt you, do not impose it, do not inflict it on anyone
55:56else, right?
55:56And the ironic thing, what we didn't speak about, bullying does not only take place at
56:01school, it takes place at workplace, it's something that has been with us from ever
56:05since, right?
56:06And if we really take time to utilize empathy as human beings, right, there are a lot of
56:12things we'd find ourselves doing differently, right?
56:15Again, I am praying that the young man who is presently being tormented, for want of
56:20a better phrase on non-social media and so on, understands the error of his ways.
56:26And if it is in fact that he was a perpetrator, and of course, he can be utilized as an avenue
56:34to teach others now of the adverse and harmful effects of both perpetrator and the victim
56:41in terms of bullying.
56:42Is there any particular lines quickly that you would want anybody, if they need help
56:46and assistance in this realm, that they can contact?
56:49Sure, they can contact the community policing section at 646-6504, extension 64023, right?
57:04That will take you to one of our branches in community policing.
57:07And of course, based on where you are geographically, we will refer you to other units.
57:13Acting Sergeant Greenwich, I really want to thank you today for coming on the program,
57:17although it's your birthday.
57:19And we want to wish you the very best going forward and God's blessings from everybody
57:24here at CCN and of course, your colleagues at Oropun.
57:29So don't forget, tonight rerun at 11 theatre and tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
57:35Up next, the TV6 News.
57:36Stay with us.
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