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02:11Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
02:29My name is Whitney Husbands.
02:31Now we continue to see reports of missing persons
02:34and we're trying to figure out how we can assist the TTPS
02:38in dealing with situations like this in particular
02:41where persons may be abducted or individuals running away
02:45and family and loved ones are unable to find them.
02:48Where does the TTPS step in?
02:50So this evening we have no stranger to the show.
02:52We'd like to welcome Acting Inspector Kalindo
02:55from the Eastern Division here with us this evening
02:58and I hope all is well with you thus far.
03:00How are you this evening, sir?
03:01Well, thanks for having me once again.
03:03Pleasant evening to you again, Whitney
03:05and pleasant evening to all of Trinidad and Tobago.
03:08I am still attached to the Eastern Division
03:10but I know the last time I was on the program
03:13I was the Inspector for Area North
03:16with responsibility for Matlut, Matura and Toko.
03:20However, I have a new portfolio now as the Inspector
03:25with responsibility for Court and Process in Eastern Division.
03:28That is with responsibility for the courts in San Gregrande
03:32as well as Mayaro and Rio Claro.
03:35So I am embracing the challenge and the change
03:39because the TTPS has many different divisions, branches and sections
03:45and you basically have to serve where you are placed.
03:48I mean, we are in the business of service
03:50and I am here to serve in whatever capacity that I am required to.
03:53Now speaking of that capacity,
03:55in what capacity are we seeing you being used in the courts themselves
03:59concerning the TTPS?
04:01Well, there are the magistrate courts
04:04and we have the adjupor courts.
04:06The courts started sometime in December of last year.
04:11Adjupor, of course, is an acronym that stands for
04:14the Administration of Justice of Indictable Proceedings Act, similar.
04:18It's sort of like the High Court, so to speak.
04:22And it is a new process or procedure
04:25whereby when matters have to appear
04:30or when police officers have to appear before the master,
04:35the cases have to be treated in a particular way.
04:39So my responsibility as the inspector in charge of court and process
04:43is to ensure that all the files, the case files,
04:49are submitted in a timely manner
04:52and in keeping with the Administration of Justice Indictable Proceedings Act
04:58that entire procedure,
05:00to ensure that all the witnesses are served in a timely manner
05:05and also to ensure that the complainants attend court as well
05:11so that we can be able to secure conviction before the court.
05:15Because one of my favorite things is that the work isn't finished
05:18unless the paperwork is done.
05:20So we can arrest and charge as much as we can in accordance with the law,
05:25but there are a number of processes that must take place
05:30in order for us to secure that conviction.
05:32Okay, understood.
05:33Now I know today we'll be focusing a lot on missing persons.
05:37Yes.
05:38And I know we need a lot of time to dive into that
05:41because many persons don't know what is the first step to take
05:44if someone is missing in the first 24 hours.
05:47And even before 24 hours, people make reports
05:49because this is something that is not any character of a person
05:52who they know that usually will either call, text,
05:55or some sort of communication will happen at a specific time or throughout the day.
06:00But when they don't hear from them at all, even before the 24 hours,
06:03they kick into action, go to the TTPS,
06:06and we'll touch more on those things when we come back after the headlines.
06:09Absolutely.
06:10So let's take a look at today's headlines.
06:52Samuru Village
07:18Now we're going to head straight into Samuru Village
07:20where an incident took place last night.
07:22Persons just saw the video.
07:24And was anyone injured, killed in this incident?
07:28Yes, our witness, sadly or unfortunately,
07:32two persons were shot and killed
07:35and we also had one person that was seriously wounded.
07:39That person is presently critical.
07:42So that investigation is ongoing.
07:46As well as the report of the wounded.
07:49And here the explosions alone, the gunfire that we're hearing is scary
07:53and this is what our citizens have to face almost every day
07:58because we just don't know what may happen.
08:01Well, you are so correct because if I am to be guided by the UNODC's report,
08:07the Caribbean region, even though it makes up 1% of the world's population,
08:13more than 30% of the illegal firearms in the world ends up in the Caribbean region
08:20which accounts for over 70% of the homicides throughout the Caribbean.
08:26And Trinidad and Tobago is no exception
08:29because for the last five plus years,
08:32over 70% of the homicides, the weapons of choice are firearms.
08:37Yes.
08:38So it is quite frightening.
08:39Yes, it is and we're seeing what's happening in Tobago as well.
08:41As well.
08:42Yes, yes.
08:44And it's concerning because we're seeing more firearms making its way to the island.
08:50Absolutely.
08:51I mean, probably 10 years ago,
08:54a number of persons would have left Trinidad and migrated to Tobago
08:59to live thinking that it would be a lot safer than Trinidad.
09:03But we are seeing that the murder rate in Tobago has already passed double digits.
09:08Yes.
09:10In like a month.
09:11Yes, double digits in the first six months of this year.
09:15So that is definitely a cause for concern
09:18and that's the reason the Commissioner of Police,
09:21she would have sent reinforcements across in Tobago
09:24in order to curb the homicides and the gang violence across there.
09:28Yes, but given that Tobago,
09:30it seems like trying to compete with Trinidad to catch up
09:34because things are just going haywire and wild in Tobago
09:38and they're trying to find a way to find a solution for it.
09:41But we'll see as time goes along.
09:43I mean, drive-by shootings were something almost unheard of.
09:48Yes.
09:49In little Tobago.
09:50Shootings alone.
09:51Shootings alone.
09:52Drive-by shootings alone.
09:53Shootings alone is something.
09:54I mean, a murder was a big thing.
09:55Yeah.
09:56The most you'll hear of somebody being chopped.
09:58Yes.
09:59And most of the murders were, I mean, domestic.
10:01Domestic, yeah.
10:02But not gang related.
10:03No, but not gang related.
10:04So the tide is definitely changing in Tobago.
10:09Now, Inspector, you mentioned, though,
10:11that persons like 10 years ago decided,
10:14you know what, I want to go to Tobago to live
10:16because I feel a little more comfortable, a little bit safer.
10:18Safer.
10:19Do you think that is what's happening with some of the gang members
10:21leaving Trinidad and seeking refuge in Tobago
10:24and finding spots of hideout?
10:26But persons are still coming looking for them regardless.
10:30So that's why we're seeing the violence.
10:32You are quite spot on with your assessment, Whitney.
10:35There is something called criminal migration.
10:38So the criminal elements are fully aware that, look,
10:42both his rivals as well as law enforcement is looking for him.
10:49So he says, you know what, I am going to leave Trinidad where I am well known
10:53and go across to Tobago where persons may not know me.
10:58But a leopard does not change its stripes.
11:00He may sometime or the other continue his nefarious ways and activities in Tobago
11:07and may even go as far as to recruit some persons under his charges
11:13to continue his nefarious ways and activities.
11:16And Tobago is a small place.
11:18It's just a matter of time before his rivals as well as the law enforcement
11:23realize that, look, this person, this wanted person is now in Tobago.
11:27And they may go across there.
11:29And you have a situation where you may have a Mexican standoff.
11:34And when the dust is cleared, well, unfortunately,
11:37both those that they intend to target or they targeted
11:41and persons who they didn't intend to target end up being shot and killed.
11:48So that is what is happening in Tobago now.
11:50It seems like Tobago needs a lot of help,
11:53especially where the law enforcement is concerned and the numbers are limited.
11:57And I know Trinidad needs it also because that is also another issue that we're hearing.
12:02We don't have enough boots on the ground.
12:04We're assisting with a lot of what's taking place.
12:06And I can only imagine what's happening in Tobago
12:08because these are cases they are not accustomed to.
12:11The officers are not accustomed to this.
12:13And hence the reason reinforcement was sent across in Tobago,
12:18both from the Homicide Bureau as well as the IATF and the GB,
12:22in collaboration with the Tobago House of Assembly,
12:25to have that crime situation under control under the leadership of ACP Collis Hazel,
12:32who is the ACP for Tobago and the Eastern Division,
12:35as was mentioned last week by my senior superintendent,
12:39to try to get a stranglehold on what is happening in Tobago there.
12:44Now, in a media release, right, the TTPS,
12:47a laborer charged with Tabakitman's murder.
12:51A Tabakitman has appeared before a master of the High Court
12:55charged with the murder of Julian Holds,
12:58which occurred on July 21st, 2024.
13:02Carmichael Pino, 39, a laborer, was charged with the offense
13:06when he appeared before Master Casabon in the North,
13:10in a criminal court on Monday, 5th August, 2024.
13:14Holds, 41, a chemical mixer employed with the Wotan Search Authority
13:19and also of Tabakit, was with friends at a bar in the district on July 21st, 2024,
13:25when he got in an argument with another man.
13:28During the altercation, the man allegedly armed himself with a knife
13:31and stabbed the victim in the chest.
13:34The victim was taken to the San Fernando General Hospital for treatment,
13:37where he died.
13:39The suspect subsequently surrendered himself to officers
13:42of the Vancouver Police Station later that day.
13:46So, we see the hard work of the officers and what is taking place.
13:50Also, in another TTPS media release,
13:53Chagonesman charged with Vendor's murder.
13:56A 28-year-old man has appeared in court charged with the murder of Mark Kwashi,
14:01which occurred on March 16th, 2024.
14:05Junior Barak of Enterprise Chagones was charged with the offence
14:09when he appeared before Master Casabon in the North,
14:12a criminal court on Monday, 5th August, 2024.
14:16Kwashi, 33, a market vendor of Felicity,
14:21was at his stall in the Chagones market on March 16th,
14:25when he was accosted by a man armed with a gun.
14:29During the confrontation, the victim was shot and died at the scene
14:34while the assailant fled on foot.
14:37So, more of what we're seeing.
14:40I think we have an angry society.
14:42I was about to say that.
14:44Dealing with, or not knowing how to deal with conflict.
14:48Correct.
14:49Let's start there.
14:50You are quite correct.
14:52So, back in the days, if you want to phrase it like that,
14:55arguments were sometimes settled with muscle.
14:58But these days, arguments are settled with a muzzle.
15:02And other forms of weapons.
15:05So, apart from anger management issues,
15:08you are quite correct by saying,
15:11persons don't know how to manage conflict.
15:14So, we are speaking about lack of conflict resolution,
15:17or lack of conflict management skills.
15:20And there is a unit in the TTPS
15:25called the Community Conflict Resolution Centre
15:28that goes throughout the length and breadth of Trinidad,
15:31meeting and mediating in a number of areas.
15:37We also have the Community Justice Clinic
15:40that goes throughout Trinidad as well as Tobago
15:44and gives free legal advice
15:47to persons who may have some sort of a dispute
15:51or some conflict may arise,
15:54whether it's a land dispute, matrimonial dispute,
15:56divorce, child custody, among other things.
15:59So, we really want to encourage persons
16:02to take advantage of that.
16:05So that it would not end up in the situation
16:08that we are facing today.
16:10But excellent work by the Homicide Region 3 officers
16:13for conducting those inquiries
16:16and eventually arresting and charging persons
16:19and bringing them before the court.
16:22That is one thing that probably continues to go unnoticed
16:25is the detection rate in our homicides.
16:29The Homicide Region 1, 2 and 3,
16:31they continue to do excellent work
16:33and it has also increased the detection rate
16:37where homicides are concerned in Trinidad and Tobago.
16:40I think most of the convictions now persons are looking for
16:43to make sure that justice is served to the victims
16:46because many times we forget the victims.
16:48Now, we have a few minutes before we head to the break
16:50and the main topic this evening is missing persons.
16:55Yes.
16:56And what is the first stage if someone is in a situation
17:01where they know that their friend or their loved one
17:04or a family member is missing?
17:06What should that person do?
17:07What's that first stage?
17:09Well, I want to set the context for this evening
17:11by defining or letting the general public know
17:14who is a missing person.
17:16And in the past, when I joined the police service,
17:21someone had to wait 24 hours
17:23before someone could be deemed missing.
17:26We have since revised our policy
17:29in relation to that by virtue of D.O. 52 of 2006
17:33and we defined who a missing person is.
17:36And according to D.O. 52 of 2006,
17:39it says a missing person refers to a person
17:41who has not been seen or heard from
17:44and is reported missing by a person interested in
17:48or responsible for that other person's welfare.
17:51Notwithstanding, the time that person
17:54has not been seen or heard from
17:56or expected to have been seen or heard from.
17:59What that basically means is that
18:01if your significant other, for example,
18:05usually comes home at a particular time,
18:07let us say six o'clock,
18:09your children, when school's over,
18:12they are usually home at four.
18:14By eight o'clock in the night,
18:16you have not heard anything from them,
18:18you haven't heard any communication from them.
18:20Also, their cell phones goes unanswered
18:22and persons who they associate themselves with
18:25have not seen or heard from them.
18:28We, the police officers,
18:30would treat that person as a missing person
18:33until otherwise.
18:35So what happens?
18:37Immediately when a report is made
18:39of a missing person to the police,
18:41we are obligated to take a number of steps.
18:45So we have to get a proper description from you
18:49as to your height, weight, build,
18:53whether it's your racial origin,
18:58the clothing that you will have seen in.
19:01If you are driving a vehicle,
19:02you call and make model and registration number
19:05of that vehicle, a telephone contact for you,
19:07or even if you have a recent picture
19:09of that person.
19:11And we encourage persons in this digital age
19:13to take pictures, recent pictures and so on,
19:16so you can give that to us.
19:18And we would now circulate that information.
19:25So the police officer who receives the report,
19:27after, of course, you record it in the station there,
19:30as I would mention,
19:32the name, address of the person making the report,
19:34the name, address and description of the missing person,
19:37clothing of the missing person,
19:39what they were last seen,
19:40when and where the missing person was last seen,
19:43and places or relatives frequently visited
19:45by the missing person.
19:47Obtain a photograph of the missing person
19:49where practicable.
19:50So we will continue with more of the definition
19:53that defines a missing person.
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21:37If you're not joining us, we
21:39have acted inspector from the
21:42Eastern Division here with us
21:43and we continue our discussion
21:45with missing persons and you
21:47gave us some pointers of what
21:49defines a missing person in
21:51Trinidad and Tobago. Yes. And
21:52as we continue speaking of
21:55So, let us start from there and
21:57continue. Right. So, you want
21:58to give the officer as much
22:00information as you can. So,
22:03before I go further, we also
22:05have to inform the criminal
22:07investigations department, the
22:09anti-kidnapping squad, as well
22:11as the homicide view of
22:13investigation because in in
22:15recent times or in the past, a
22:17missing person report turns out
22:19to be a kidnapping and it also
22:21ends in a homicide. So, we are
22:23not saying that that may
22:25happen. So, whilst we are
22:27prepared for any eventuality,
22:29we we are hoping for the best
22:31but we we want to have all our
22:33bases covered. So, the the
22:35the the anti-kidnapping squad,
22:37they also run a parallel
22:39investigation assisting the
22:42station, the respective
22:43station in which that report
22:45was made because we don't want
22:47to leave anything to chance. So,
22:49as I was saying earlier, you
22:50want to give the police as much
22:52information as you can. The
22:54most minute details might be
22:56very very helpful. So, we may
22:58ask question, okay, who are the
23:00persons that your loved one
23:02usually associate with? Do you
23:04have a contact number for any
23:06one of them? The persons you
23:08hang out with, they play sports
23:10with, they socialize with
23:12children, you as parents, you
23:14need to know who their friends
23:16are. Have contact number for
23:18their friends as well as the
23:20their friends or the parents of
23:22their friends. I I could
23:24remember that I would have gone
23:26through an entire phone book
23:28that a parent had called in
23:30almost all the friends of her
23:32her daughter to inquire if you
23:35know they are with them and and
23:37that kind of thing. So, that is
23:39the length at which we treat
23:41with missing persons. We we
23:43treat it with with it with
23:45alacrity and we do not leave
23:47anything to chance at all. So,
23:49the more information that the
23:51person making the report can
23:53give us with me, it is really
23:55really really really helpful.
23:57Yes. Now, we see reports daily.
23:59Yes. With missing persons on
24:01the newspapers, social media
24:03persons reporting these
24:05pictures and information if
24:07anyone has seen them. Yes. But
24:09how is the TTPS treating with
24:11these reports that we're seeing
24:13popping up? Do you all give
24:15updates? Are you all able to
24:17do that? Yes, as I would have
24:19mentioned earlier, we work
24:21alongside the anti-kidnapping
24:23squad in the event that it may
24:25be a kidnapping. Okay. And we
24:27we collaborate. We also work
24:29closely with the families to
24:31find out has your loved one
24:33returned home? And if the
24:35loved one returned home, we
24:37they are required to come to
24:39the police station where we
24:41interview that person who was
24:43reported missing and we take
24:45a statement from them
24:47indicating their whereabouts
24:49because where they were in
24:51some instances, their phone
24:53might have died. They were
24:55spending time with friends.
24:57They just wanted a break from
24:59life. They switch off their
25:01phone. They may have been
25:03kidnapped. They may have been
25:05a victim of some robbery and
25:07all kinds of stuff. So, we do
25:09that statement is really to
25:11indicate when the person is
25:13returned home safely and
25:15everything is fine and we can
25:17now close this report that
25:19this person is no longer
25:21missing. Sadly, it it does not
25:23always have a happy ending.
25:25So, a report of a missing
25:27person is always
25:29ongoing until that person
25:31returns home or until sadly
25:33the person turns up
25:35where either it's a
25:37homicide or
25:39in in some instances, person
25:41has a heart attack. They run
25:43off the road. They wander off
25:45into the forest. They get
25:47lost. They couldn't find their
25:49way. They die. The body is
25:51decomposing and stuff like
25:53that. There are persons who
25:55many things happen that may
25:57many scenarios may take place
25:59that may not be a crime but
26:01the person is missing but the
26:03person is missing. So, we have
26:05to cover all our bases. We
26:07constantly live with the
26:09information. We have to work
26:11with the information. We have
26:13but we take it very very
26:15seriously because I would have
26:17mentioned earlier. It could
26:19either be a kidnapping. It could
26:21be homicide. Yes. Inspector,
26:23how are you all treating with
26:25young girls and young men
26:27but I've seen more so in
26:29particular the young girls
26:31running away. Right. And their
26:33parents make a report or a
26:35parent guardian makes a report
26:37saying their child or their
26:39grandchild is missing.
26:41When these individuals,
26:43these young persons are
26:45found, how are you all
26:47treating with that matter?
26:49Right. So, in
26:51and that is something that
26:53we are constantly faced with
26:55Whitney on almost a daily
26:57basis. Children run away.
26:59They are fed up of home. The
27:01parents too strict. The
27:03grandparent too strict or in
27:05some instances they are abused
27:07in the home be it physically
27:09or sexually and
27:11the parent or guardian may
27:13not believe them and they
27:15decide enough is enough. I am
27:17going to run away because nobody
27:19believes me. So, when those
27:21children are found, they are
27:23interviewed in the presence
27:25of a parent guardian or
27:27of a person with
27:29responsibility for the child and
27:31if based on what they tell us
27:33there is an offence or offences
27:35occurred where that child is
27:37a victim, the
27:39child protection unit
27:41usually steps in and
27:45conduct further investigations
27:47and charges may
27:49be laid. If it is a case where
27:51the child is running away and there are
27:53no offences surrounding
27:55that child, we need to get to
27:57the bottom of why is this child
27:59running away. So, we may have
28:01to call in the children's authority
28:03again. We may have to call in
28:05the social work unit and so on
28:07to get to the bottom of why
28:09is this child running away
28:11because at the end of the day everything has to be
28:13in the best interest of the child and
28:15the home or child
28:17becomes a product
28:19of the environment. So, if this
28:21child continues to run away
28:23there has to be a reason.
28:25Why they don't want to be home at all.
28:27There has to be a reason and
28:29in some instances they may be
28:31lured, but they may come from good homes.
28:33Yeah, and this is what I was about to ask you.
28:35They may come from very good homes.
28:37If a young child, a minor
28:39is found and found
28:41in the home
28:43or in the arms of another adult
28:45that may not be a relative
28:47what does the TTPS
28:49do from there?
28:51Well, we have to treat each situation
28:53on a case by case basis
28:55because the
28:57Children's Act, which I keep saying
28:59is one of the scariest legislations I have
29:01ever seen, it speaks about
29:03any person who has
29:05child care control and custody of a child
29:07and puts the child in harm's
29:09way, there may be
29:11several offences there.
29:13So, we have to look at those
29:15we have to look at the Children's Act
29:17closely to determine
29:19if when
29:21this child was in the custody
29:23of this adult who is not a parent or guardian
29:25or person with responsibility for the child
29:27are they luring
29:29this child to groom them
29:31into either
29:33exploiting the child or to
29:35groom the child to commit offences.
29:37So, that investigation
29:39may take on
29:41another turn
29:43whereby we have to determine
29:45is it in the best interest of this
29:47child to be in your care?
29:49You understand? Why is this child
29:51in your care and you
29:53did not report it to the police
29:55or you did not inform the parent
29:57or guardian that the child is with me
29:59or that the child is with me
30:01so something might be amiss
30:03there and we have to
30:05get to the bottom of it, why the
30:07child is more comfortable with you
30:09as opposed to the parent
30:11or guardian. If the child
30:13is not abused and the child
30:15is not assaulted or
30:17anything like that, why
30:19is this child in your care?
30:21Let's take a break quickly, I don't know if you have any information
30:23on the three young boys who ran away
30:25from the home. Do you have
30:27any information on if the boys were found?
30:29Well, I think up until news time
30:31they were not
30:33I would have to follow up on that
30:35to find out
30:37but I know the investigation is still ongoing
30:39and an
30:41update should be imminent
30:43soon. We'll take a break
30:45and we'll be back.
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32:35623-1711 extension
32:371992, 1993 and
32:391997. Acting
32:41Inspector Kalinda from the Eastern
32:43Division is here with us and we continue
32:45the conversation and
32:47I want to know what
32:49circumstances may deem
32:51a person missing?
32:53What are some of the circumstances that you
32:55could let the public know if
32:57a loved one in a situation
32:59that they will have to call the police
33:01and let the police intervene?
33:03Right, so as I was saying earlier in
33:05the definition
33:07you must
33:09know or you would know
33:11your loved one's
33:13mode of operation.
33:15So, for example
33:17there are some families like mine
33:19that is on WhatsApp
33:21chats, family chats and so on.
33:23Your loved ones
33:25may usually message, well I'm in
33:27a maxi, I'm in the bus,
33:29I've arrived at work safely,
33:31I'm leaving work now,
33:33I'm in a maxi,
33:35I've arrived home safely.
33:37So, if you do
33:39not get those
33:41particular messages
33:43from your loved ones
33:45you may start
33:47what you would try to make an attempt
33:49or an effort to communicate
33:51with them because it is not in their
33:53nature not to communicate
33:55well, I'm in a maxi,
33:57I'm in the bus, I've reached work, I've reached home,
33:59bye bye granny, auntie,
34:01as the case may be. So, once
34:03you develop that form of communication
34:05consistently
34:07on this particular day
34:09you didn't get any messages
34:11at all, I didn't get any message that she's in the bus,
34:13I didn't get any message she's at work,
34:15I didn't get any message he's at home,
34:17I didn't get any message he's gone to play football, as the case may be.
34:19You now
34:21can take it
34:23upon yourself to try to communicate
34:25with your loved one because that is your loved one
34:27you have that relationship
34:29and if you are not getting any
34:31response, the phone goes to voice
34:33mail, calls go unanswered,
34:35the WhatsApp message is not
34:37turning blue, the two blue things
34:39that some people think.
34:41That would raise a red flag.
34:43So, you
34:45now begin to get suspicious
34:47and after four
34:49hours, three, four, five, six
34:51hours, you are saying, well no, that is
34:53unlike him or her.
34:55You can go to that, to the
34:57nearest police station or pick up the phone
34:59because calls can be
35:01made via telephone and
35:03indicate to the police what
35:05is the situation
35:07and we are going to deem that
35:09person to be a missing person
35:11until the situation says
35:13otherwise.
35:15We have a call on the line, let's take that call. Hello, good evening.
35:17Hello, good evening.
35:19Good evening, ma'am.
35:21Yeah, I'm calling to
35:23let you know that the
35:25new format of the show
35:27is, you listening?
35:29Hello, the new format
35:31of the show is very good.
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35:35knowledge on the
35:37laws
35:39and also, I like
35:41how it is host the show.
35:43Yeah.
35:45Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you, ma'am.
35:47Thank you, thank you, ma'am.
35:49Well, I mean, we continue the conversation
35:51with what we were
35:53speaking with missing persons
35:55and young persons, that's where we left off.
35:57Minors in particular.
35:59And how can a parent
36:01with the knowledge that you have
36:03and experience
36:05deal or speak to the parent
36:07in dealing with a child who
36:09constantly runs away?
36:11Because you also mentioned that they could leave from
36:13a good home, whatever that definition of a good
36:15home may be, because everybody's
36:17definition may be different.
36:19But what is the norm, the societal norm
36:21of a good home and a child is running
36:23away? Right, I love the question.
36:25I love the question.
36:27What I would say as a parent,
36:29a child has a voice.
36:31And
36:33we can no longer
36:35live in an era where
36:37we say, speak when you are spoken
36:39to, answer to when you are called.
36:41Have that open
36:43line of communication with your
36:45child. Cause your child
36:47to come to you for anything
36:49and be able to
36:51communicate with you.
36:53If something is going wrong, even
36:55the way how you speak to your child,
36:57you must have
36:59some level of dialogue where the child
37:01can express themselves freely, not
37:03disrespectfully, by indicating
37:05they were hurt, they weren't pleased
37:07with what you said to them or how you
37:09said to them and so on.
37:11If there are issues in school,
37:13they should be able to be free
37:15to come to you to let you
37:17know. Any person
37:19that spends
37:21the most time with your child
37:23has the most influence on your child.
37:25Right?
37:27Whether it's the babysitter, the school,
37:29or a friend.
37:31So now there's a difference
37:33between being a parent
37:35and a friend to your child. You are the parent.
37:37Would you say no parents being
37:39friends? And that is a very
37:41thin line because you have to know when to draw
37:43the line and say, well, I'm a parent now
37:45and this is what I said and this is
37:47what could... Yes, with this situation
37:49I am your best friend. You can come to me
37:51and... So why can't we say
37:53though, inspector, sorry to cut you off there
37:55that it doesn't matter
37:57I don't need to be a friend for you to come to me.
37:59I am the
38:01parent and you can come to me at all times
38:03I will always have your back regardless of
38:05what because even when I was younger
38:07and my parents told me no because you know
38:09we want our own way at that age.
38:11I used to pack a little bag
38:13like you see on TV with a stick
38:15and pretend
38:17I'm going to leave and I catch myself like, what the hell
38:19going on with you? I mean I was young then because you know you always
38:21feel like, you know, I get so angry
38:23and but it's all that
38:25you many of us pack bags and
38:27they sat in the room crying with the backpack
38:29right there when you take
38:31a sheet to put clothes and
38:33you know the influence of what you see
38:35on television so you can imagine now with
38:37social media but what about
38:39the child who just generally
38:41wants their own way?
38:43That wants their own way, I mean
38:45I really want to encourage those
38:47child or those children
38:49that to listen
38:51to their parents.
38:53As the old saying goes, when you're in a good house
38:55the bad house does
38:57knock on and friend
38:59does carry you but they
39:01don't bring you. Many children would have
39:03run away from home and when they realized
39:05what is out there
39:07compared to what they left
39:09they realized they made a mistake.
39:11They bonked their head as they see in local
39:13parlance and they would have
39:15returned back home.
39:17Your parents in many instances
39:19know what is best
39:21for you and we were also
39:23your age you know. I mean we didn't want
39:25bigger children so what you
39:27are trying to do now I mean is what we're trying
39:29to forget in our days that we would have
39:31probably done similar things but we would have learned
39:33from our mistakes. Sadly
39:35the mistakes that many children
39:37and young people make, it may
39:39cost them their lives.
39:41Not me. Their lives because they have
39:43been lured by all, pulled in
39:45all kind of different directions
39:47have so many different distractions
39:49the internet, social media
39:51and many of those things
39:53is just another
39:55way to entice
39:57them to
39:59expose them to danger
40:01and for them to be
40:03exploited. So they may
40:05think they know but they do
40:07not know. We have another call on the line
40:09let's take that call. Hello, good evening.
40:15Hello. Hello.
40:17Good evening. Good afternoon.
40:19Yes, you can go ahead.
40:21I'm just going to make
40:23a complaint on
40:25a contractor
40:27right, because sometimes
40:29the workers are like, one of the workers
40:31will talk to me, like him
40:33right, like he's afraid to stay, like he's
40:35afraid to put them up
40:37right, but she
40:39working people, I'm not staying
40:41for her, she's not staying
40:43for no half day.
40:45Half day and you have to go home
40:47you're not staying for no half day. How is that?
40:49And why is that?
40:51Alright, so
40:53let me ask you this, you have a contract with this
40:55person?
40:57No, I don't have a contract with this
40:59individual.
41:01Give me the information.
41:03Okay, so if that is the case
41:05you need to go to the police station
41:07you can make a report. To the nearest police station.
41:09To the nearest police station, it's an open door policy.
41:11Yes.
41:13So you can do that and also
41:15you could find
41:17an attorney that could assist
41:19in guiding you from there because if your contract
41:21does not state that you're supposed
41:23to be paid daily regardless
41:25if it's your work after because of rain, it's supposed to get
41:27a full rate. Once the contract
41:29states that, by law
41:31it should be, I'm not speaking as an expert
41:33I'm just speaking based on documents
41:35black and white. So if there is
41:37any issues there, you need
41:39to get an attorney and also make a
41:41police report.
41:43There are also several laws that
41:45which
41:47by which contractor and by extension
41:49employers are guided
41:51by when it comes to
41:53work and payment.
41:55So he may
41:57well, I'm not familiar with the
41:59case in its entirety, the
42:01contractor or the employer may be violating
42:03some of those laws and
42:05it is definitely something
42:07that the police can look into
42:09and guide you on it.
42:11We have the labor board as well.
42:13Thank you to the caller for calling. We need to take
42:15a break. We'll be back.
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43:391992, 1993 and
43:411997
43:43Acting inspector
43:45what happens
43:47when a person
43:49makes a missing
43:51person's report
43:53how quick or quickly
43:55does the TTPS act
43:57in a situation like that?
43:59We respond with
44:01alacrity or
44:03with alacrity
44:05almost immediately. Once
44:07we get that sufficient
44:09information
44:11our report is entered immediately in the
44:13station diary and we also
44:15have a missing persons register
44:17It is entered in the missing
44:19persons register
44:21the criminal investigation department
44:23is notified
44:25the anti-kidnapping unit is notified
44:27as well as the homicide
44:29bureau of investigation
44:31Based on the amount
44:33and type of information that is given
44:35by the persons making the report
44:37there and then we would be able
44:39to know how do we
44:41conduct this investigation
44:43into this missing person
44:45We may have to visit some
44:47homes, make some phone calls
44:49and stuff
44:51like that. So it is
44:53dependent on the
44:55amount of and type of information
44:57that is given but we
44:59take all reports and I mean
45:01all reports of missing persons
45:03very very
45:05very seriously especially
45:07in times such as this where
45:09just about anything can happen
45:11Understand?
45:13Because even with the incident
45:15with the two young men
45:17who got in the
45:19accident, they couldn't
45:21get on, the relatives
45:23couldn't get on to them and they thought they were missing
45:25and then they found out they were in an accident
45:27Correct. And there was a situation where
45:29I think persons
45:31would have left a particular location
45:33to either venture into
45:35Rio Claro, Miaro Beach
45:37and they got lost
45:39in the bush or the forest somewhere
45:41whilst driving and they couldn't get any signal
45:43and I think they were there
45:45for more than a day
45:47Understand? So fortunately
45:49they were returned safely
45:51There are places in
45:53the Eastern Division where you can
45:55make a phone call and you cannot
45:57receive any phone call
45:59So that is quite scary
46:01So in the event that something happens
46:03and the road is dark, winding
46:05and so on, in the event that
46:07something happens, you cannot call for help
46:09Now we see a lot of the
46:11Hunter Search and Rescue team popping up
46:13the crew, we call them
46:15angels because it's not just
46:17as you said, if you're lost in the
46:19forest or in some rural areas
46:21they show up
46:23in many ways
46:25and how are they assisting the TTPS?
46:27Well, they continue to do
46:29human service to all
46:31of Trinidad and Tobago and
46:33they also work closely with
46:35the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
46:37because there are some places where
46:39persons are reported
46:41missing. You need
46:43persons who are familiar with the area
46:45who are trained to traverse the
46:47forest and the hills and the bushes and so on
46:49and
46:51many of the
46:53Hunters Search and
46:55Rescue team, they have experience
46:57in traversing certain areas
46:59and they have been
47:01assisting us greatly and tremendously
47:03and kudos to them
47:05We really need to tip our hats off to them
47:07for working closely
47:09with the police in bringing
47:11in causing us to
47:13find, in assisting us
47:15in finding and retaining a lot of persons
47:17to their loved ones
47:19And that rule and function that they are
47:21in, it is not an easy one
47:23No, it's not. It is not at all
47:25And to witness some of the things that we could only
47:27imagine, which I don't even want
47:29to imagine
47:31There are some places in Eastern Division and
47:33they don't want to go there
47:35at all because of the terrain
47:37as Senior Superintendent
47:39Guy Allen would have mentioned last week
47:41you cannot traverse there
47:43using vehicles at all
47:45We are speaking about the
47:47Toko Waterfall, for example
47:49I mean, you can imagine taking somebody
47:51out of there who, unfortunately
47:53drowned. I mean, the last time
47:55I was up in Toko, there was actually
47:57a drowning in
47:59the Matruwa District there
48:01and it is not a nice
48:03experience to witness something
48:05like that and interact
48:07with the family. Of course, he was not missing
48:09but I just thought I should
48:11show their person who lost at sea
48:13This is what I was about to ask you
48:15What about the persons
48:17that you could speak to the public who like to go
48:19on these amazing
48:21adventures throughout the country
48:23and explore
48:25What could they do to safeguard themselves
48:27because they could become missing
48:29Yes, and that happened already
48:31One lady, I think it was
48:33she either
48:35took a wrong turn or straight away
48:37I think it was from the party
48:39and she spent, I think,
48:41almost 48 hours inside
48:43Everybody came out. So, what we usually
48:45advise people to do, if you are going on a hike
48:47to
48:49let the station district
48:51know that
48:53you would be conducting a hike
48:55in the station district
48:57and to give the officers a list of
48:59all the persons who
49:01would be conducting
49:03that hike as well as a phone contact
49:05for at least three persons. We don't need to follow
49:07Well, for everybody
49:09because the three persons who gave us their cell phone might die
49:11or something like that, right?
49:13So, give us a list of
49:15all the persons who will be conducting the hike
49:17and phone contact for them
49:19and before you go on the hike
49:21let us know. And when you are
49:23returning from the hike, you just let us know
49:25Well, officer, we have returned from the hike
49:27All is well. Everybody is accounted for
49:29and stuff like that. So, we would know
49:31Well, okay, fine. Everything is okay
49:33Everyone is accounted for
49:35And we need to know
49:37the duration of the hike
49:39the route and the duration
49:41of the hike. So, if for example
49:43you tell us, look, you're supposed
49:45to return at 8pm
49:47or let us say 6pm
49:49and 7 o'clock
49:518 o'clock. You'll notice
49:53the party is not back. The party is not back
49:55We have phone contacts now
49:57So, even if we call one and go under voicemail
49:59this one died, whatever
50:01we have about 10-15
50:03phone numbers here to go through
50:05to contact all these persons
50:07to enquire
50:09Are you all back safe?
50:11Yes, yes, officer. We forget to call
50:13We are actually on our way to the station now
50:15and that kind of stuff
50:17So, that is the type of relationship
50:19we encourage persons to have
50:21because the hike is not a secret
50:23Well, I mean, persons like to
50:25have their special location and they want others to find it
50:27Of true
50:29We have to be mindful of the fact that
50:31Trinidad and Tobago
50:33cultivates a lot of marijuana
50:35and these persons
50:37put stuff there
50:39to protect their teeth
50:41trap guns, booby traps
50:43and all that kind of stuff
50:45So, we need to know where you are going
50:47Oh, ok
50:49Thank you for that information
50:51Yes, Trinidad and Tobago
50:53has a very large
50:55cultivation of marijuana
50:57and Eastern Division
50:59has a lot of it
51:01Because of the space
51:03The land that is there
51:05Yes, and it is quite remote
51:07and stuff like that
51:09So, when you are hiking with an experienced person
51:11who is familiar
51:13with the area
51:15A number of persons
51:17who are the leaders of hikes are soldiers
51:19because the soldiers
51:21in Trinidad and Tobago
51:23are some of the most highly trained
51:25professional soldiers
51:27in the world
51:29and they know just about every part of Trinidad and Tobago
51:31So,
51:33I would advise you that
51:35I would feel a lot safer going on a hike with a soldier
51:37Ok
51:39And no disrespect to anybody else
51:41because I would have worked closer with soldiers
51:43So, I am quite familiar
51:45with their skill sets
51:47and the type of training that they go through
51:49and the bushes they do
51:51I will take note of that
51:53especially if I am interested in going on a hike
51:55go and try and get a soldier
51:57who may know the area better than others
51:59Yes, because they are quite matlete
52:01down in the woods and all kinds of stuff
52:03Yeah
52:05So, we need to take a break
52:07and when we come back we will wrap things up
52:09We will be back
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53:18Acting Inspector Kalenda
53:20This is your opportunity to speak to the public
53:22and let us know more
53:24of the things we need to be aware of
53:26Right
53:28So, we continue to do
53:30a lot of community engagement
53:32and interaction with members of the public
53:34because we are fully aware
53:36that we are not alone
53:38We are not alone
53:40We are not alone
53:42We are not alone
53:44We need to have that symbiotic relationship
53:46between the police and the public
53:48So, we continue to engage
53:50in a number of community outreach initiatives
53:52in Eastern Division
53:54and by extension
53:56throughout Trinidad and Tobago
53:58School is still closed
54:00And we want to encourage
54:02the parents, guardians
54:04and persons with responsibility
54:06for children
54:08leave your children
54:10with a responsible adult
54:12with a responsible adult, right. If you have to send your children to camps, do
54:20your research, do your homework. Who is conducting these camps? What are their
54:26qualifications? Is anything known against them criminal wise? Because some person
54:31may be using camps to lure children or to recruit, to groom children, to
54:36exploit them and so on. So ensure that you do your due diligence where sending
54:42children to camps or to engage in any activity where children are concerned.
54:48You may want to take your children to the rivers, beaches, waterfalls and so on.
54:53Ensure that your children are properly supervised when engaging in those water
55:00activities, beaches, rivers, pools, waterfalls. Ensure that they are properly
55:06supervised again by a responsible adult and stuff like that. The elderly, we
55:14want to encourage persons to look after the elderly because similar to children,
55:21persons who suffer from Alzheimer's, dementia, they wander off and they may
55:27not be aware of their surroundings, they may not remember their name, they may not
55:31remember where they live, they may not remember a number of things. Many times
55:36you are seeing pictures on social media where this person was found wandering,
55:40they came to the station and they cannot help the police. What is my name?
55:44Where do I live? Who do I live with? They do not know. So we want, we
55:50really want to encourage members of the public to take a greater interest in
55:55looking after our senior citizens, especially those that may have Alzheimer's
55:59and dementia and stuff like that. We really want to encourage that. So
56:05continue to work with the police where crime and criminality is concerned. We
56:11cannot stress enough, if you see something, say something. The illegal
56:15firearm you ignore today may become the illegal firearm that may be responsible
56:21for robbing, raping, or even killing you or your loved ones. Even though it's your
56:27real-real boy or your real-real girl, he may be connected to a criminal
56:33enterprise that may not know you or your loved ones. As such, they may not be
56:38sympathetic to you to come and rob, rape, and kill you or your loved one. So don't
56:43partake your RRG or your RRB. If you see something, say something. Your real-real what?
56:49Your real-real boy. And your real-real what? And your real-real girl. It's so proper you said it to me. But any contact information for persons, if you have any to? Yes, even if you
57:01don't have any money on the phone, 999 is a free call, 555-800-TIPS or the
57:07nearest police station. You can make an emergency call even if your phone is
57:11locked, you don't have any money on your phone, it is all free. Once it runs, once
57:15all we need is the information. Give us the information and we would give you
57:19results. Beautiful. We'd like to thank you so much Acting Inspector Kalinda for
57:23being here with us, representing the Eastern Division. We get ready for news
57:27coming up next at 7 o'clock. TNT, as we said, make yourself a hot target and
57:31always remember, be pure and just and have God in your life no matter what. We are out. God bless.
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