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"SA NGAYON, LAMANG PA RIN ANG PROSECUTION."
ON RECORD SA UNANG HIRIT na pinag-usapan ang pagpapatuloy ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte ngayong linggo.
Nakapanayam natin si Atty. Adonis Gabriel ng San Beda University para himayin ang presentasyon ng depensa. Aniya, sa tingin niya sa ngayon...lamang pa rin ang prosecution sa trial.
Panoorin ang buong interview
ON RECORD SA UNANG HIRIT na pinag-usapan ang pagpapatuloy ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte ngayong linggo.
Nakapanayam natin si Atty. Adonis Gabriel ng San Beda University para himayin ang presentasyon ng depensa. Aniya, sa tingin niya sa ngayon...lamang pa rin ang prosecution sa trial.
Panoorin ang buong interview
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00:00Ladies and gentlemen, what do we say about the impeachment?
00:06We have to continue to know the truth.
00:11What we say is that the vice president has been told.
00:16We don't need to impeach Mr. Duterte.
00:19We have to continue to know the truth.
00:23When we're done, we're going to know.
00:25We're going to take the pond.
00:27We're going to keep getting going.
00:34We're going to do an impeachment.
00:37We'll do it again.
00:39May impeachment fating na yata?
00:45Yan ang ating pag-uusapan, lilinawin at hihimayin.
00:49On record, sa unang hirit.
00:53At makasama po natin ngayong umaga,
00:55Attorney Adonis Gabriel, professor mula sa San Beda University College of Law.
00:58Attorney, professor, welcome.
01:00Maganda umaga, Ivan, at maganda umaga sa ating mga mga mga mga.
01:03Good morning. Welcome back.
01:04We are on record now, Prof.
01:06Backtrack tayo ng konti.
01:07In the last three days, nag-present ng defense team ng kanilang mga testigo.
01:11Una, si Ginuong Jaime Adalin, city assessor ng Dabaw.
01:15And then sumalang din si Vingeline Bahan, accountant naman ng Lungsol.
01:20at si Engineer John Kenneth Enorables, City Assessor ng Samuel Island.
01:24Quick summary tayo, Prof, please.
01:26Ano ba yung nilalaman ng kanilang mga testimony at anong naitulong nito sa vice?
01:30Sa naunang dalawang araw ng pagpapatuloy ng impeachment trial, Ivan,
01:35ipinisenta ng depensa ang dalawang city assessors at ang city accountant ng Davao City
01:41upang pasinungalingan yung akusasyon laban sa vicepresidente
01:45at upang ipaliwanag kung bakit siya nakatanggap ng kabayaran mula sa pamalaan ng Davao City.
01:52Matatandaan, Ivan, na sa second article of impeachment,
01:56inaakusan ang ating vicepresidente na hindi siya nagdeklara ng tama sa kanyang sal-end.
02:02At ipinalawanag ng mga city assessors natin, Ivan,
02:06na yung hinahanap na ari-arian ng prosecution ay nakatala sa sal-end ng vicepresidente.
02:13Gayun nga lang, yung ginamit na basihan sa pagtatala ng kanyang sal-end
02:18ay iba sa ginagamit ng prosecution na basihan ng pagkahanap.
02:22Kasi ang prosecution, ang ginagamit na basihan ay yung transfer certificate of title.
02:27PCP.
02:28Pero ang sinasabi ng depensa,
02:29ang ginamit ng vicepresidente sa pagtatala niya sa kanyang sal-end
02:33ay yung tax declaration.
02:35So mayroong pagkakaiba yung description ng property
02:39doon sa sal-end at doon sa TCT.
02:41Dahil sinasabi noong mga city assessors natin
02:46na nagbabago ang pangalan ng lugar,
02:49nagbabago ang pangalan ng barangay,
02:51nagbabago ang pangalan ng mga streets.
02:54Kaya hindi talaga magtuma.
02:56And pangalawa naman doon sa city accountant natin,
03:00ipinaliwanag niya na yung natanggap ng vicepresidente noong 2003
03:04ay hindi kabayaran ng kanyang professional fee,
03:07kundi ito ay dagdag ng kanyang sahod bilang al-calde.
03:11Bunsod na rin ito noong salary standardization na ipinatupad simula 2019.
03:16Alright.
03:17So ito yung salary adjustment niya.
03:19Kaya meron siyang natanggap ng nakalaga noong 2023.
03:23Okay.
03:23Sumahin natin,
03:24nakatulong ba sa vice yung mga testimonyo nila?
03:27Kasi ang lumutang attorney,
03:28lalo na ni Adeline at Bahan,
03:30yung sa testimonyo nila,
03:31yung mga katagang hindi ko po maalala,
03:34parang sa atawag nga nila selective amnesia.
03:37How does the law look at these statements from witnesses?
03:40And as a lawyer,
03:42ano nga ba basa ninyo sa ganitong strategy ba to
03:44na hindi na nila maalala?
03:45Ang pagsagot ng hindi ko maalala ng isang testigo, Ivan,
03:50ay talagang humihina,
03:52nagpapahina sa kredibilidad ng testigo.
03:55Lalong-lalo na kung ang tanong ay isang mahalagang pangyayari,
03:59gaya na lang ng pagsali sa isang accounting firm.
04:01Yes.
04:02O isang pangyayari na kagaganap lamang.
04:04O kung ano ang sura ng firma mo.
04:06Oo.
04:07So, ang pagsagot ng hindi ko maalala, Ivan,
04:10ay maaaring magpahihwating na mayroong itinatago yung testigo
04:15o meron siyang ayaw sabihin na makapagpapahina
04:19doon sa kaso kung saan siya nagtitrustify.
04:22So, sa korte, Ivan,
04:24nagpapahina ito talaga sa kredibilidad ng testigo.
04:27Ngunit, sa kabilang banda naman, Ivan,
04:29kailangan natin maalala kung ano yung tinetestify
04:35noong mga city assessors natin.
04:37Nag-testify sila base sa tax declaration.
04:40Okay.
04:41Public record ito.
04:42So, kumbaga, sa hierarchy ng ebidensya,
04:46dokumento ang pinakamataas
04:48kaysa doon sa testimonya ng mga testigo.
04:51Alright.
04:51So, kung naipapakita doon sa dokumento,
04:54sa public record,
04:55na meron naman talagang ari-arian
04:57na katugma or kahalintulad
04:59doon sa itinala sa salen ng vicepresidente,
05:03pwede itong magpalakas sa kanyang depensa.
05:07Okay.
05:07Okay.
05:07So, nakatulong pa rin naman?
05:09Nakatulong pa rin naman.
05:10Kasi kung tatanggalin natin yung ingay,
05:12dahil sa mga sagot noong mga testigo,
05:16Ivan,
05:17nakatulong naman
05:18dahil naipaliwanag nila
05:19kung saan yung property na hinahanap.
05:21Alright.
05:22At one point,
05:22sinita yung witness,
05:23si Bahan,
05:25na iwasang tumingin sa mga defense lawyer.
05:27Pero sa totoong buhay,
05:29kakakarani,
05:29talaga naman may coaching ng witnesses?
05:32Ganun ho ba yan?
05:33Normal sa court proceeding, Ivan,
05:35na nag-uusap yung abogado
05:36at yung ipipresentang testigo.
05:39Nangyayari ito bago yung hearing.
05:41Okay.
05:42So, sa hearing naman, Ivan,
05:44meron din mga pagkakataon
05:45na tinutulungan ng abogado
05:47yung kanyang testigo.
05:48So, kung mag-direct examination yung testigo
05:51at testigo niya yung nakaupos sa witness stand,
05:54magtatanong siya ng leading question
05:55para ibigay na doon sa testigo niya
05:58yung gusto niyang sagot.
05:59Kung cross-examination naman yan, Ivan,
06:02mag-o-object yung abogado
06:03para sabihin na sa kanyang objection
06:05kung ano yung isasagot
06:07ng kanyang testigo.
06:08Okay.
06:09So, normal talaga na nangyayari
06:10na may coaching.
06:12Yes.
06:12Pero,
06:13masama, Ivan,
06:14kung habang nagtetestify
06:16ay kumukuha ng informasyon
06:18o instruction yung testigo
06:21mula sa ibang abogado.
06:23Okay.
06:23Pero, ibang itong witness kahapon,
06:25si Atty.
06:26Suzet Punay
06:27in-house counsel ng GenCorp.
06:29Malakas ang dating,
06:30Atty.
06:30Malakas ang dating,
06:31confident,
06:32at at least
06:32dun sa unang bahagi
06:34ng kanyang testimonya.
06:35Talagang very quick
06:37and certain
06:38ang kanyang mga sagot.
06:40Isa-isayin natin
06:40ang ilang sa highlights
06:41ng kanyang testimonya.
06:42Under direct examination,
06:43as pointed out by
06:44Senator Pangilinan,
06:45napaka-certain
06:46at categorical,
06:47firm yung mga answers niya.
06:49Walang anumang interest
06:49si VP Sara sa GenCorp.
06:51Tell us, in your view,
06:53what the defense wanted to establish
06:55sa pagpresenta
06:55kay Atty.
06:57Nais na ihiwalay
06:58ng depensa
06:59yung relasyon
07:00ng vice-presidente
07:01sa GenCorp.
07:02Kasi matatandaan natin,
07:04Ivan,
07:04na sa mga
07:05witnesses ng prosecution
07:07at pag-tina rin
07:08sa witness ng depensa,
07:10lumalabas
07:11na merong
07:12transaksyon
07:12ang GenCorp
07:13sa local government
07:15unit ng
07:16Dabao City.
07:17Nais nilang ihiwalay
07:18yung vice-presidente
07:19sa GenCorp
07:20dahil pinagbabawal
07:21ng ating konstitusyon.
07:22Dahil sa conflict of interest.
07:24Dahil sa conflict of interest
07:25at partikular na rin dito,
07:26Ivan,
07:27yung section 13
07:27ng article 7.
07:29So, section 13
07:30ng article 7
07:31ng ating konstitusyon,
07:32nakalagay dyan na
07:33ang vice-presidente
07:34ay pinagbabawalan
07:36na magkaroon ng
07:37direct or indirect
07:38financial interest
07:40in any contract
07:41with the government.
07:43So, kung mapapatunayan
07:44na may business interest
07:46ang vice-presidente
07:47sa GenCorp
07:48at ang GenCorp
07:49naman ay nagkaroon
07:50ng transaksyon
07:50sa local government unit
07:52ng Dabao City,
07:53yung business interest
07:55ng vice-presidente
07:56sa GenCorp
07:56ay indirect
07:57financial interest
07:59sa isang kontrata
08:00sa gobyerno.
08:02But then,
08:02lumutang yung...
08:03But before we go to
08:04the loose investment
08:06concept,
08:07mukhang may
08:08intention din
08:09ang pagpresenta
08:10kay Atty.
08:11Suzette
08:11na butasin
08:13o butasan
08:13yung testimonya
08:15ni Atty.
08:16Cabrera
08:16dahil lumabas
08:18yung word na absurd.
08:19Parang
08:20hindi totoo.
08:21Parang
08:22hindi ko alam
08:23saan nakuha
08:24ni Atty.
08:24Cabrera
08:25yung mga
08:25numero niya.
08:27Nagsaksid ba
08:27ang depensa
08:28na butasan
08:29yung testimonya
08:30ni Atty.
08:30Cabrera?
08:31Sa aking palagay,
08:32Ivan,
08:32hindi.
08:33Dahil yung
08:34testimonya
08:35ni Atty.
08:36Cabrera
08:37ay base rin
08:38sa mga
08:38authentic
08:39government records.
08:40So, hindi
08:40chismis
08:41as pointed out
08:41by Senator Padilla.
08:43So, hindi
08:43chismis
08:44dahil
08:44ang pinagbasihan
08:45dito
08:45yung mga
08:46SAL-N,
08:47yung mga
08:47TCT,
08:48yung mga
08:49GIS
08:49at sa yung
08:50mga
08:50financial
08:50statements
08:51ng mga
08:51corporation.
08:53Normal
08:53lamang,
08:54Ivan,
08:54na magkakaroon
08:55ng pagkakaiba
08:56sa figures
08:57noong
08:58findings
08:59ng expert
09:00witness
09:01at saka
09:01sa actual
09:02figures.
09:03Dahil yung
09:04actual figures
09:05ang may
09:05control dyan
09:05ay yung
09:06may kumpanya.
09:07May mga
09:08records
09:08ang kumpanya
09:09na hindi
09:10publicly
09:10available.
09:11Kaya
09:13yung
09:13pagtayan
09:14ni Atty.
09:15Cabrera
09:15ay iba
09:16sa record
09:17na ang
09:17kumpanya.
09:18Ito,
09:19punta naman tayo
09:20sa loose
09:21investment
09:21in the
09:22context
09:22of
09:22VP
09:23Sara
09:23Engine
09:24Corp.
09:24Baka
09:25may
09:25nagtatanong
09:25sa mga
09:26kababayan
09:26natin,
09:27anong
09:27problema
09:28kung may
09:28investment
09:29ka
09:29ang
09:29BC
09:29at
09:30kumita
09:30siya?
09:31Oo.
09:31So,
09:32inamin
09:32naman
09:32ni
09:32Atty.
09:33Punay
09:33Ivan
09:34na yung
09:35term
09:35na
09:35loose
09:35investment
09:36ay
09:36walang
09:37technical
09:37or
09:37legal
09:38meaning.
09:39So,
09:39sinabi
09:39niya
09:40na
09:40siya
09:40lamang
09:40ang
09:41nag-coign
09:41nung
09:41term
09:42na yun.
09:42So,
09:43ginamit
09:43lamang
09:43niya
09:43yung
09:44term
09:44na yun
09:44para
09:45ipaliwanag
09:46kung ano
09:47yung
09:47investment
09:48ng
09:48vice
09:48presidente
09:49sa
09:50Gencorp.
09:51Pero,
09:52sa totoo lang,
09:53wala talaga
09:53sa
09:54batas
09:55o sa
09:55anumang
09:56financial
09:57terms
09:58ang
09:59meaning
09:59ng
09:59loose
10:00investment.
10:01So,
10:02doon sa
10:02sinasabi ko
10:04Ivan
10:04kanina,
10:05pinagbabawal
10:06ng
10:06konstitusyon
10:07na magkaroon
10:08ng
10:08business
10:08and
10:09financial
10:09interest
10:10ang
10:10isang
10:10vice
10:11presidente
10:11sa
10:12anumang
10:12kontrata
10:13sa
10:13gobyerno.
10:14At
10:15pangalawa
10:15na dito,
10:16Ivan,
10:16lumabas
10:17sa
10:17testimonya
10:18ni
10:18attorney
10:18Punay
10:19na si
10:20vice
10:20presidente
10:20ay
10:21member
10:22of
10:22board
10:22of
10:22directors
10:23ng
10:23Metro
10:24Chow
10:24Corporation.
10:25At
10:25member
10:26din siya
10:26ng
10:26executive
10:27committee
10:27ng
10:28Metro
10:28Chow
10:29Corporation.
10:29Habang
10:30siya
10:30ay
10:30vice
10:30presidente.
10:31Habang
10:31siya
10:31ay
10:31vice
10:31presidente.
10:32Ang
10:33pagiging
10:33member
10:34ng
10:34board
10:34of
10:34director
10:35ng
10:35isang
10:35pribadong
10:36kumpanya
10:36ay
10:37isang
10:37office.
10:41At
10:42sa ating
10:42constitution
10:43sinasabi
10:43that the
10:44vice
10:45president
10:45shall not
10:46hold
10:46any
10:46other
10:47office
10:47during
10:48her
10:48tenure.
10:48At
10:49yung
10:50pag
10:51tatalaga
10:52naman
10:52sa
10:52kanya
10:52bilang
10:53member
10:53ng
10:54compensation
10:54committee
10:55ito
10:55ay
10:56isang
10:56employment.
10:57So
10:58sa
10:58parehong
10:59provision
10:59ng ating
11:00constitution
11:00Ivan
11:00pinagbabawalan
11:02din
11:02ang ating
11:03vice
11:03presidente
11:04na magkaroon
11:05ng
11:05other
11:06employment
11:07during
11:07her
11:07tenure.
11:08So
11:09wala
11:10hong
11:10difference
11:10kung
11:11dalawang
11:11piso
11:12yan
11:12o
11:12dalawang
11:12milyon
11:12yung
11:13kinita
11:13niya?
11:13Oo
11:14Ivan
11:14kasi
11:15ang
11:15pinagbabawalan
11:16ng
11:16constitution
11:16dito
11:17yung
11:17conflict
11:18of
11:18interest
11:18yung
11:19magamit
11:19yung
11:20position
11:20mo
11:20para
11:21sa
11:21isang
11:21personal
11:22interest.
11:23Balikan
11:23natin
11:24ang
11:24konteksto
11:24ng
11:24usapin
11:25ito
11:25mga
11:25kapuso.
11:26Ang pinag-uusapan
11:26po ngayon
11:27ay
11:27yung
11:27article
11:272
11:28o
11:28yung
11:28unexplained
11:29wealth
11:29sa
11:30sale
11:30and
11:30declaration
11:30at
11:31prohibited
11:32business
11:32interest.
11:33Ano
11:33po
11:34sa
11:34tingin
11:34nyo
11:34ang
11:34iba
11:34pang
11:35mahalaga
11:35argumento
11:36sa
11:36diskusyon
11:36ito
11:36kahapon
11:37tungkol
11:37sa
11:38business
11:38interest
11:38di
11:38umano
11:39ng
11:39business
11:39sa
11:39GenCorp?
11:40Hindi naman
11:41itatanggi
11:42ng
11:42vicepresidente
11:43na nagkaroon
11:44ng
11:44business
11:44transactions
11:45ang
11:48GenCorp
11:49sa local
11:49government
11:50unit
11:50ng
11:50Dabao
11:51City.
11:52At
11:52nakita
11:53natin
11:53yung
11:54attempt
11:54ng
11:55depensa
11:56na talagang
11:57ihiwalay
11:57yung
11:58GenCorp
12:00doon sa
12:01investment
12:01ng
12:02vicepresidente
12:02sa
12:03naunang
12:03kumpanya.
12:04Napakahalaga
12:05noong
12:06relasyon
12:07na yun
12:07Ivan
12:08dahil
12:08talagang
12:09tahas
12:10ang
12:10pinababawal
12:11ng
12:11ating
12:11konstitusyon
12:12yung
12:12pagkakaroon
12:13ng
12:13business
12:14interest
12:14sa isang
12:15transaction
12:15sa
12:16gobyerno.
12:16So
12:17malinaw Ivan
12:18na may
12:19paglabag
12:20sa
12:20konstitusyon
12:21kung
12:21isang
12:22vicepresidente
12:22ay
12:23nagmamayari
12:24ng
12:24shares
12:25or
12:25loose
12:26investment
12:27kahit
12:27anong
12:27tawag
12:28natin
12:28sa isang
12:29entity
12:30na may
12:30business
12:31transaction
12:31sa local
12:32government
12:32unit.
12:33Ito
12:34ngayon
12:34tayo
12:34attorney
12:34may
12:35mga
12:35opinion
12:35nagsasabing
12:36at this
12:36point
12:37kailangan
12:38humarap
12:39ng
12:39bisis
12:39sa
12:40impeachment
12:41court.
12:41She is
12:42her
12:42own
12:42best
12:43witness.
12:44Meron din
12:44namang
12:44opinion,
12:45sabi ni
12:45attorney
12:45Capunan,
12:46that would
12:46be
12:47suicidal.
12:48Based
12:48on what
12:49you've
12:49seen
12:49and
12:49heard
12:50so
12:50far
12:50as
12:50a
12:50lawyer,
12:51ano
12:51sa
12:51tingin
12:51ninyo,
12:52dapat
12:52na bang
12:52sumalang
12:53si
12:53VP
12:54Sara
12:54sa
12:54witness
12:54stand?
13:06Sa
13:09hindi
13:09hindi
13:10ito
13:12conflict
13:12sa
13:13isang
13:13pagiging
13:13mamamayan.
13:14So
13:15bawat
13:16mamayan
13:16ay may
13:17karapatan
13:17na humingi
13:18ng paliwanag
13:19sa ating
13:19vice
13:19presidente.
13:20At
13:21tingin ko
13:21Ivan
13:22na it's
13:23about
13:23time
13:23that the
13:24vice
13:24president
13:25should
13:25answer
13:25the
13:26specific
13:26charges
13:27against
13:27her.
13:28So
13:28it's
13:28about
13:29time
13:29na ipaliwanag
13:30sa ating
13:30mga
13:31mamamayan
13:31yung
13:32mga
13:32akusasyon
13:33laban
13:33sa
13:33kanya.
13:34Obligasyon
13:34niya
13:35ito
13:35bilang
13:35isang
13:36nanonungkulan
13:37sa ating
13:38gobyerno
13:38at
13:39obligasyon
13:39niya
13:39ito
13:40sa atin
13:41bilang
13:41mga
13:42nasasakupan
13:42niya.
13:43Panghuling
13:44tanong
13:44attorney,
13:44kalagit
13:45na
13:45na tayo
13:45ng
13:45Nobyembre.
13:46Again,
13:47based on
13:47what you've
13:47seen
13:48and heard
13:48so far,
13:49unang
13:50tanong,
13:50aabot
13:51kaya
13:51tayo
13:51ng
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