- 7 weeks ago
ON RECORD SA UNANG HIRIT na binusisi ang pagkaka-aresto kay dating House Speaker Martin Romualdez.
Nakapanayam natin ang political analyst mula sa University of Sto. Tomas na si Prof. Froilan Calilung para himayin at paano dapat tingnan ng mga pilipino ito.
Panoorin ang buong interview.
Nakapanayam natin ang political analyst mula sa University of Sto. Tomas na si Prof. Froilan Calilung para himayin at paano dapat tingnan ng mga pilipino ito.
Panoorin ang buong interview.
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00:00This is really a positive development so far as this quest for blood control,
00:06a scandal, at syaka yung perpetrators that is concerned.
00:09And yes, I would say that currently, he is the biggest fish.
00:13I think it should have been done a lot earlier.
00:16But at this point, magsalitan na talaga siya.
00:23Pilipinas, gising na.
00:25Kahapon po ay naresto na si dating House Speaker Martin Romualdez
00:29para sa kasong plunder, kaugnay ng flood control scandal.
00:33Pinuntahan si Romualdez sa motoridad sa Cardinal Santos Medical Center
00:36para sa booking procedure.
00:39Ano nga ba masasabi ng mga kapuso natin tungkol dito?
00:42Pagtagal na yan eh. Hanggang na yan.
00:44May yung palang nakasuhan. May ebidensya na.
00:49Sana yung may mga pananagutan sa nangyaring flood control,
00:53sana mahuli na sila kung talagang...
00:54Kasi kawawa naman yung nangyayari nyo dito sa ating ano eh.
00:58Lalo na yung Central Luzon, talagang lubog na.
01:00Para sa akin, kung talagang may kasalanan, dapat managot.
01:03Kasi para naman sa ikabubuti ng ating bansa.
01:07Pabor din sa amin yun.
01:08Kaso, hindi namin masasabi na ganun-ganun din po yung mga ano na.
01:12Hindi man si pare-parehas ng anong tao, isip ng tao eh.
01:18Yan po ang ating pag-uusapan ni Himayin Lilinawin.
01:22On record.
01:23Sa unang hirin.
01:26At ngayong umaga, makakausap po natin Prof. Froylan Kalilong,
01:30political analyst mula sa UST, Department of Political Science.
01:34Prof. Kalilong, sir, good morning.
01:37Good morning, Ivan.
01:38Good morning, meepo, sa ating mga kapuso.
01:40And thank you for having me.
01:42Prof. we are on record now.
01:43The last 24 hours, lamang po ng balita si Congressman Martin Romualdez.
01:48Sinampahan na nga siya ng kasong plunder at may warrant of arrest na rin.
01:51Sabi ng Ombudsman, sa ngayon po siya, yung pinakamalaking big fish kaugnay nitong flood control anomaly.
01:56Can we say, we are charging our biggest fish yet?
02:00And is this enough para i-refute po yung assertion and arguably the strong public sentiment
02:05na hanggang ngayon, eh walang napapanagot na malaking isda sa flood control scandal?
02:11Well, actually, Ivan, this is really a positive event of men.
02:16It's so far as this quest for flood control scandal at sya ka yung perpetrators na ito is concerned.
02:24And yes, I would see that currently, he is the biggest fish na nandito sa atin ngayon,
02:30as a possible natin.
02:32Unless, of course, he will actually say or sabihin na natin na magkakanta siya
02:39or kakanta siya ng iba pa na maaaring mas may mataas ng authority as compared to him.
02:46And I think if ever that will happen, I think, bilanggit naman niya ito before,
02:52na if he is going down, he will bring several people with him.
02:58And I think this particular arrest may open plug-ins.
03:04If ever this is being a true and honest-to-goodness arrest,
03:08at hindi lamang yung kagaya na binabanggit ng ating mga kababayan na isang moro-moro,
03:13isang sarswela, na isang parang kalitseri lamang na ginagawa,
03:18just to appease the minds and, of course, the sentiments of the public,
03:23especially nga dahil dito sa lubog pa rin tayo sa pahap,
03:27and dito pa rin tayo sa habagat-sison among others,
03:30and talaga may hirapin yung ating makababayan.
03:33But if ever this was really done in order for us to proceed with the truth,
03:38I think this is really something positive.
03:40And I hope that he will mention other people on your names
03:45na binabanggit nga niya before,
03:47na talagang marami pa naman siguro talaga tayong kinakailang palaman
03:51regarding this incident.
03:54Balikan ko po yung puntong yan mamaya in another question,
03:57pero doon muna ako sa binanggit yung word na apis.
04:00Noong sauna ho kasi ni Pangulong Marcos,
04:02itong last sauna niya, nabanggit niya,
04:04hindi ako pangulo ng aking pamilya,
04:06kundi pangulo ako ng Pilipinas.
04:09Paano ho ba ito dapat tingnan na ating mga kababayan?
04:11Is this the President keeping his promise?
04:13O ito ho ba i-reaksyon sa mounting public pressure?
04:16Lalo't napakatindi nga po ngayon,
04:18sa kasalukuyan ng galit ng mga tao,
04:20lalo't lubog ang maraming bahagi ng Central Luzon.
04:24Actually, even, I think the promise was actually given
04:28in the light of the mounting public pressure.
04:31Kasi kung titignan natin,
04:35as early as last year,
04:37I think this should have been created,
04:39and this should have been made,
04:40because there were already a lot of people
04:43who already pointed fingers at Marty Romandes
04:47as one of the chief architects
04:50nitong flood control scandals.
04:52Alvico was there,
04:54the Eton Marines was there,
04:55and several other people.
04:58Nag-sabi na talagang meron siya nitong
05:00old men, correct?
05:02Old men.
05:02And then again,
05:03it took us this long,
05:05and it took us again another kapagat season,
05:08floodings and all,
05:09para magdawa itong pag-arresto.
05:13Paaring pinapanggit ng Pangulo
05:15na talagang walang siyang kuprotektahan,
05:17pero I think it should have been done a lot earlier.
05:20And I think,
05:21yeah,
05:22kung ito,
05:24makikita pa rin naman natin later on.
05:26Dahil nga,
05:26kung titignan natin,
05:28arrest is just one half the equation.
05:30Ang makalaga rito is,
05:32kung paano gupulong
05:33pagdinig,
05:34lapang sa kanyang kaso,
05:35at kung magkakaroon ba talaga ng conviksyon.
05:38Kasi kung hindi rin naman mauwi ito,
05:40sa isang guilty verdict,
05:42parang hindi rin natin
05:45na nakukuha yung postage siya,
05:47na gusto nating makuha.
05:50dito sa flood control nito.
05:52Kung totoo man talaga.
05:54But I think it also affords Martin
05:56a venue for him to hear also his sentiments
05:59and also to clear out his side
06:01in case,
06:02para rin naman mabigyan siya ng due process.
06:05More on your earlier point,
06:07Professor,
06:08ano yung tungkol po sa posibleng pagtuturo
06:10o baka kailangan niyang pangalanan niyo
06:11iba pang mga mas mataas
06:13o iba pang mga sangkot
06:15dito sa flood control scandal.
06:16Ang nagiging tono po ng statements
06:18nga ni dating speaker,
06:19yung parabang ang claim niya
06:21ay ginagawa siyang scapegoat
06:22that they are pinning much
06:24of the flood control scandal on him.
06:27How do you read the statements?
06:28Do you expect
06:29na may mga papangalanan nga siya
06:31that he will bring other people
06:33down with him?
06:35Well, sana, no?
06:37Sana.
06:38It's not really actually to save himself, no?
06:43Because,
06:43sa unang una,
06:45ito nga,
06:47nasa custody na siya, no?
06:48At siya mga ay napasahan na
06:50ng kanyang may hander.
06:52So, technically speaking,
06:53he is already,
06:54not just a person of interest,
06:56but he's already,
06:57yung pumagay,
06:58yung custodian
06:59to his person,
07:01he's already been made.
07:02So,
07:02dapat at this point,
07:04magsalita na talaga siya, no?
07:06Kasi,
07:07kinakailangan talaga natin
07:08naman malaman
07:09yung katotohan.
07:10And, definitely,
07:11hindi ko makikita kasi
07:12na skateboard ito, no?
07:13Dahil nga,
07:14unang una,
07:16being the former speaker,
07:18and, you know,
07:19directly commanding Zaldico,
07:21who is the budget committee chair
07:24during his time,
07:26eh, hindi masasabi
07:27na wala talaga siyang kinalaman,
07:29ano?
07:29And,
07:30ito magpapatunin naman dito,
07:32yung nismung gaan ng 2025,
07:34that is a document
07:36that is, you know,
07:37glaring with truth
07:38and lot of inconsistency
07:40when it comes to the insertions
07:43that were made, no?
07:44So,
07:44that alone is a manifestation
07:46na hindi siya rito skateboard, no?
07:48Dahil,
07:49pag sinabi natin skateboard, eh,
07:51parang lumalabas,
07:52gumagawa lang ng dahilan.
07:53Pero,
07:54tingin ko rito,
07:55isa siya sa mga
07:56pamunahing dahilan, no?
07:58At,
07:58ito nga yung kinakailangan
07:59nating malaman,
08:00ano?
08:01At,
08:02itiin,
08:02pag-anap sa katotohan,
08:04para talaga malaman natin
08:06na siya talaga,
08:07eh,
08:07mayroong bang kinalaman
08:08o wala,
08:09kung sakaling wala man,
08:10eh,
08:10at least,
08:11nagkaroon talaga
08:12ng tamang pag-init.
08:13Ang pinapangambahan
08:15ng ating mga kababayan dito
08:16is,
08:16unang-una,
08:17yung bucklander case
08:19and that price sa kanya
08:20is definitely non-bailable
08:22kasi,
08:23nakita na natin
08:24itong yung
08:24Sekretary Bonoan,
08:25yung former Senator
08:26Bung Riftilla,
08:28na kahit non-bailable,
08:29eh,
08:29nakapag-biyasa sila,
08:30no?
08:30Or baka nga,
08:31matuloy na talaga
08:32sa isang hospital arrest.
08:33Because right now,
08:34hindi pa naman siya
08:35hospital arrest,
08:36hospital confinement
08:37pala naman
08:38itong nangyari
08:39sa kanya the moment.
08:40Professor,
08:41surely,
08:42it's,
08:43any reasonable person
08:44would think na
08:45he could not have done
08:46this single-handedly.
08:48May mga,
08:49of course,
08:49he had
08:51other congressmen,
08:52nandyan po si Saldico,
08:53pero nabagit niyo rin kanina,
08:55baka mas mataas pa sa kanya.
08:57Eh,
08:57yung mas mataas po sa kanya,
08:59eh,
08:59Senate President
09:00and the President himself.
09:02Do you expect na
09:04aabot ho
09:05sa ganun punto
09:06yung,
09:07yung pagtuturo
09:09after he is arrested?
09:11Well,
09:12ako kasi,
09:13naniniwala ako
09:14na ang taong
09:15kapag wala na siyang pupuntahan,
09:17At talagang kakailanganin niya
09:19talagang
09:19panggitin lahat,
09:21no?
09:21Lalo na kung talagang
09:22sigurado siya
09:23na talagang
09:24ang patutunguhan niya
09:26na talagang kulungan
09:27at pagkikimas ng reang
09:28kung takala,
09:29And I think,
09:31binagit na raman ito
09:32ni Martin Romal
09:34several months ago
09:36when he had the press call
09:38that if he's going down,
09:41definitely he'll take
09:42several people with him.
09:43And I think,
09:44kung totoo ba nito,
09:45kung walang paghihilol
09:47na nangyari
09:47between
09:48that month
09:50and this time,
09:52mukhang
09:52gagawin at gagawin niya ito,
09:54and I think
09:55the pronouncement
09:57should be
09:57meet
09:58the soonest possible time,
10:00no?
10:01ITAD
10:01para talaga
10:02malaman natin
10:03yung kapatuanan.
10:04Ako naman personally,
10:05I really believe,
10:06no?
10:06That there are
10:07several other people
10:08that were
10:09to be implicated
10:10in this issue
10:12and definitely
10:12those people
10:13are higher than him.
10:14because if hindi mo
10:16magagawang
10:16isang napaka-orchestrated
10:19at masasabi natin
10:21a well-planned
10:23na
10:23ipigil na kagaya nito,
10:26ito wala talaga
10:26ng American government
10:27and also
10:28the authorizing arm
10:30of people
10:31higher than
10:32Martin Romal
10:33Right.
10:34Nabagit ko natin kanina
10:35si Zaldico,
10:36pupunta na na raw
10:37si Ombudsman Rimulya
10:38sa France
10:39to personally make
10:40representations
10:41with the French government
10:42para paliitin daw
10:43yung mundo ni Ko.
10:44How crucial,
10:45Professor,
10:45is it for the
10:46Marcos administration
10:47to have Zaldico
10:49back in the country?
10:51Well, definitely,
10:53napakahalaga.
10:54Again,
10:54number one,
10:56it's important
10:56from the point of view
10:58of the sincerity
10:59of the government
11:00to really prosecute
11:01and
11:02sa kina natin
11:03kanagutin talaga
11:04ng mga may
11:05kinalaman
11:05sa blood control.
11:06I think this is
11:07really one step
11:08towards,
11:08one big step
11:10actually,
11:11towards
11:11really knowing
11:12and finding
11:13the truth
11:13because Zaldico
11:14certainly knows
11:15a lot of things
11:16and
11:16hindi may mga
11:18pinagkid na ko
11:18before
11:19pero I think
11:20may mga
11:20wili-wili-wili
11:21pa rin naman siya
11:22and I think
11:23that it really
11:23would be brought here
11:24I think
11:25it will spread
11:26a lot of light
11:27to many other things
11:29and
11:29mas marami
11:30tayong malalaman
11:32to give.
11:33And again,
11:33pinapakita lang
11:34naman ng gobyernos
11:35siguro dito
11:36yun nga,
11:37yung sinsiridad
11:37na para talaga
11:39gusto nilang
11:39malaman yung katotohanan
11:42kahit na ito
11:43matagal na
11:43and last year pa
11:44itong binitipan
11:45ng ating mga kababayan
11:46we'll pick up
11:47what they're saying
11:47is that it's better
11:48late than ever
11:49and
11:50mahalaga talaga
11:51na malaman natin
11:52at sana
11:53kung magpapabalik
11:54talaga siya
11:55ito
11:55is
11:56papaharap talaga
11:57ito sa
11:58mga
11:59black filing
11:59committee
12:00so
12:00sa korte
12:01mismo
12:01para talaga
12:02malaman natin
12:03yung katapahari
12:04Prof
12:05as a final point
12:06let's put everything
12:07in context
12:07ang dami ho kasi
12:08nangyayari
12:09tulad na
12:09nabangit natin
12:10kanina
12:10nasa gitna
12:10tayo ng
12:11impeachment trial
12:12may criminal
12:12case din
12:13against the
12:13vice president
12:14sa Quezon City
12:15RTC
12:15ngayon naman
12:16may plunder case
12:17laban kay Romualdez
12:18to an ordinary
12:19Filipino
12:20ang dami nga po
12:21nangyayari
12:21ang daming mga
12:22development
12:23sa ating
12:24politika
12:24paano ba
12:25ito dapat
12:26tingnan
12:26ng ating
12:27mga kababayan
12:29Well
12:29I think
12:31we need to
12:31really understand
12:32things
12:33as a part
12:34of the
12:35bigger
12:35world
12:35primarily
12:36on the part
12:37of the
12:37government
12:37and the
12:38BDF
12:39at this
12:39reason
12:39they're
12:40trying
12:40to
12:41salvage
12:42whatever
12:43political
12:44capital
12:44is left
12:45of them
12:45heading
12:46into
12:47the
12:472020
12:47elections
12:48and
12:49alam naman
12:49natin
12:50na ito
12:50control
12:50e talagang
12:52pinanggagalingan
12:53ng
12:53yitingit
12:54at
12:54galit
12:55ng taong
12:55bayan
12:56and
12:56if
12:57ever
12:57siguro
12:58namin
12:58bakikita
12:59yung
12:59magbabayan
13:00na
13:00medyo
13:01konti
13:01kilaw
13:02dito
13:03sa issue
13:03na ito
13:04I think
13:04that will
13:05somehow
13:06give
13:07them
13:08the idea
13:09or the
13:10impression
13:10na kahit
13:11paano
13:12may ginagawa
13:12ang
13:13gobyerno
13:13at kahit
13:14paano
13:15pinagladaban
13:16tayo
13:16ng
13:16ating
13:17panggala
13:17yung
13:18postisya
13:18laban
13:19sa mga
13:19magdarabong
13:20at
13:20mga
13:20tiwalik
13:21official
13:21na
13:21talagang
13:22kumuha
13:23nitong
13:23fondo
13:23ng
13:23flood
13:24control
13:24and
13:25then
13:25pinapakita
13:26rin
13:26siguro
13:27ng
13:27gobyerno
13:27na
13:28walang
13:29sinisino
13:30kasi
13:30kung titignan
13:31natin
13:31yung
13:32timing
13:32pagkaka-aresto
13:34at
13:34pag
13:35profile
13:36ng
13:36warrant
13:37kay
13:37Pizaran
13:38noong
13:38Sabado
13:38tapos
13:39ngayon
13:40naman
13:40dito
13:40kay
13:41Martin
13:41Maldes
13:42so
13:42parang
13:42ang
13:43optics
13:43ang
13:44narrative
13:44na
13:44gustong
13:45i-create
13:46sa atin
13:46ng
13:46gobyerno
13:47ng
13:48PPF
13:49is that
13:49walang
13:50kinikilingan
13:51whether
13:52opposition
13:52or
13:53former
13:54ally
13:54talagang
13:55kinakailangan
13:56bumulong
13:56yung
13:56musik
13:57anything
13:57this
13:57is
13:58good
13:58but
13:58yun
13:58nga
13:58day
13:58to
13:59day
13:59kinakailangan
14:00talaga
14:00namin
14:01mangyari
14:01tayo
14:02naman
14:03yung
14:03gusto
14:03nating
14:03malaman
14:04and
14:04how
14:05how
14:06resolute
14:06the
14:07government
14:07is
14:07makikita
14:08natin
14:08siguro
14:09in the
14:09coming
14:09days
14:10but
14:10for
14:11ordinary
14:11people
14:12we
14:13need
14:13to
14:13really
14:13be
14:13vigilant
14:14a lot
14:14of
14:15things
14:15are
14:15happening
14:15at the
14:16moment
14:16and
14:17I
14:17think
14:17everything
14:18that
14:18is
14:18happening
14:19right
14:19now
14:19is
14:19already
14:20culturally
14:21fed
14:22orchestrated
14:23and
14:23actually
14:23in line
14:24already
14:24with
14:24the
14:252020
14:25elections
14:26that's
14:26how
14:27we
14:27should
14:27say
14:28these
14:28things
14:28actually
14:28in the
14:29bigger
14:30light
14:30Well said
14:31again
14:32Professor
14:33Froyland
14:33Kalilong
14:33Sir
14:33Thank you
14:34very much
14:34for putting
14:35everything
14:35in perspective
14:36Salamat
14:36po
14:36sa
14:37paglilinaw
14:38At
14:39mga kapuso
14:40bantayan po
14:41natin
14:41ang issue
14:42ito
14:42ito
14:42ay
14:42mga
14:43tamang
14:43mga
14:43hakbang
14:44towards
14:44the
14:44right
14:45direction
14:45pero
14:45siyempre
14:46kailangan
14:46natin
14:46tutukan
14:47ito
14:47bantayan
14:48to make
14:48sure
14:49that
14:49this
14:49ends
14:50in
14:50its
14:50logical
14:51conclusion
14:52Ang
14:53mga
14:53issue
14:53pinag-uusapan
14:54lilinawin
14:55at
14:55hihimayin
14:55natin
14:56on record
14:57sa
14:57unang
14:58hirin